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Old 09-21-2016, 10:55 AM
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wow! That's a very impressive build!

I noticed that starting at about the 53 second mark of the video the
upper weight farthest from the camera doesn't turn at a constant speed.
It seems to speed up and slow down.
I'm not sure about the others.
the two to the right of the camera seem to turn at the same speed.

What horsepower is the motor?

I hope you can do what Peter suggested.

good Luck.

Tom
hello, thank you always for your prezioni suggestions. I spoke about a failing rotor is now correct. the abnormal rotation was caused by a bearing that not having friction, was fionfare weight over the position derived from the lower weight. while the other three use a tube inside another tube that having friction reach the desired position by 90 ° on the vertical axis. for synchronizing the lower weights I stuck to converging pair of rotors and after I stretched as far as possible the chain. use an induction motor 220v 180w. with reduction gear 10: 1 while I used a bicycle transmission input which currently runs everything at 45 rpm. I'm going to use a mechanical variator axis to the engine that will allow me to adjust the turns a little at a time.
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Old 09-23-2016, 04:09 AM
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That's quite an expensive machine that you have built. AND, quite dangerous. I certainly wouldn't go to 100 rpm.,,, especially with just one connection and a chain on the lower weight.
Earlier, I wrote; "The upper pivot point for the drive could be offset from the center of the gimbal." Apparently, you have offset the lower pivot point rather than the upper. (5 cm.)
Was there any reason that you moved the pivot of the lower weight rather than the upper weight?
I'm doing load testing now. It takes about 30 watts, DC to rotate 150 kg. at 60 rpm.
The reason that I ask about you moving the lower pivot as opposed to the upper pivot is; all 4 lower weights MUST be locked together to do actual drive work. All 4 weights MUST be synchronized to keep the machine from shaking apart. If you lock them together, how is any one weight going to free-fall on the downhill stroke?

On my build, The arm that drives the upper shaft only positions the shaft. It does not drive it in rotation. The upper shaft is free to rotate or not. After my initial load testing, I'll move the upper pivot off-center. I expect the rotation of the shaft to "retard" on the uphill and "advance" on the downhill.
It remains to be see just how much of this variable speed can be imposed on the lower weights if the 4 shafts are locked together.
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Old 09-23-2016, 03:57 PM
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That's quite an expensive machine that you have built. AND, quite dangerous. I certainly wouldn't go to 100 rpm.,,, especially with just one connection and a chain on the lower weight.
Earlier, I wrote; "The upper pivot point for the drive could be offset from the center of the gimbal." Apparently, you have offset the lower pivot point rather than the upper. (5 cm.)
Was there any reason that you moved the pivot of the lower weight rather than the upper weight?
I'm doing load testing now. It takes about 30 watts, DC to rotate 150 kg. at 60 rpm.
The reason that I ask about you moving the lower pivot as opposed to the upper pivot is; all 4 lower weights MUST be locked together to do actual drive work. All 4 weights MUST be synchronized to keep the machine from shaking apart. If you lock them together, how is any one weight going to free-fall on the downhill stroke?

On my build, The arm that drives the upper shaft only positions the shaft. It does not drive it in rotation. The upper shaft is free to rotate or not. After my initial load testing, I'll move the upper pivot off-center. I expect the rotation of the shaft to "retard" on the uphill and "advance" on the downhill.
It remains to be see just how much of this variable speed can be imposed on the lower weights if the 4 shafts are locked together.
Hello, I moved the vertical axis from the bottom in opposite configuration and in pairs. in a state of rest all weights are forced to position itself at the same time in the lower part of the rotation. and they are in the opposite position every 90 ° of rotation only canceling the negative effects of the centrifugal force on the bearing structure. when one of the weights reaches the lower part, the other are synchronized down in the lower part. as if it were a single weight equal to the sum of all of them. I will post a motion video startup. I am convinced that it is better to see the movements that explain how. I am convinced that could be equal to the displacement of the pivot center in the upper, and is much simpler to realize. In these photos I made the final drive with PTO.I also installed a bike motor 24v 250w which will avoid me to push with your feet the weight for avviale the mechanism. when I stop feeding the engine becomes the generator, which with a manual rotation, give me 30v, AC.
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Old 09-23-2016, 06:17 PM
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Hello, I moved the vertical axis from the bottom in opposite configuration and in pairs. in a state of rest all weights are forced to position itself at the same time in the lower part of the rotation. and they are in the opposite position every 90 ° of rotation only canceling the negative effects of the centrifugal force on the bearing structure. when one of the weights reaches the lower part, the other are synchronized down in the lower part. as if it were a single weight equal to the sum of all of them. I will post a motion video startup. I am convinced that it is better to see the movements that explain how. I am convinced that could be equal to the displacement of the pivot center in the upper, and is much simpler to realize. In these photos I made the final drive with PTO.I also installed a bike motor 24v 250w which will avoid me to push with your feet the weight for avviale the mechanism. when I stop feeding the engine becomes the generator, which with a manual rotation, give me 30v, AC.
Hello, I wish in these drawings illustrate the processed for the timing of the lower weights. Also the upper levers have the same timing, but remember that the independent rotation from that of the lower weights.
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Old 09-26-2016, 11:46 PM
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Armandino, That is a very impressive build. It was very astute to offset the weights so that would act as one mass. There is one problem though. According to your doc that you posted, you have paired the weights adjacent Not opposite. Skinner has paired, synchronized weights that are diagonally opposed. This aligns the considerable mass transfer over the center of the machine.
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:37 PM
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Basic machine

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-r...nl&ts=58045b94
On Youtube; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3LmBjtNzE8
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Old 10-24-2016, 05:49 AM
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Skinner machine design concept

I have been studying the Skinner gravity machine for a few months and been doing some testing and I believe I have come up with a design that would work but I just have to collect the materials to build it in a small scale to test the concept. If anyone could take a look at my design and let me know if they think it would work and if not then what is wrong with my assumptions.
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:06 AM
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Scale up the gravity motor

Bump !
I understand what Skinner was trying to do. He appears to have had limited finance. The weights are hollow. All the weights are "clocked" so that they don't collide. If there were a "pumping action", it would have to be done with 2 weights moving in at the same time that 2 weights were moving out.
Locking the 4 shafts together would have to be done with either gears or chains. They didn't have cog belts at the time. Locking the lower shafts together means that any pumping would have to be done to all 4 at once. Otherwise, the effect would be cancelled.

If there were a pumping action, it should be apparent by watching the flat-belt. I don't see it. Also, any oscillation of speed would cause problems with using the lathe. I don't see any need for pumping action. Nor do I see any evidence of it.
The machine is straightforward. Leverage is the critical factor. All the output depends on the angle and length of the lower arm and the amount of weight on it.
Skinner spent 14 years working out his ideas. There might very well be a way to improve it but, it works like it is. Best to copy his design theory though, not his build. I understand how to build the "quad" machine. There is nothing tricky or critical about it. The machine is easy to scale-up. Just keep the angles the same.
Skinner used a PTO to drive his stuff. It shouldn't be too difficult to put a big diameter rotor like a wind-gen under the base and drive it directly. A homopolar motor could be used also. Lots of possibilities.

If anybody wants to take my machine and use it for development, you're welcome to take it. Since it isn't a balanced quad, it must be attached to a building.
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:52 AM
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yes, I'm tired, never give up

Hello Danny,
It is a pleasure to find yourself. I, like you, I have not ceased to harass on the subject of the machine and its optimal functioning. You have to admit that we seek a highly desirable result in the world. Many scientists have deep thinking brain, sending him into a tailspin. The physical laws of this world prevent stubborn to even get small results. At the end of both larovo, money flying with the wind, hammering on his fingers, burned motors, you bang your head against a solid and impenetrable wall. I do not feel a normal and reasonable person. this my diversity gives me the strength to go on in this perverse game to grab the "miracle machine" that the whole world tries to achieve. often I give in to the evidence of my ignorance unbridgeable. other days I wake up with a "brilliant idea" that brings me in the midst of levers, mechanisms, motors, chains, weights, ellipses, acceleration .... and resume playing. is playing. This is the real desire that triggers all the springs of my brain. ensure contituità the game. who knows, maybe irrational reasoning could come to light, one day, the good solution to the problems that afflict people and find the "holy grail" of perpetual motion.
*I not stopped the construction of the machine. every other day I get a built in Poland generator specifically for my needs: 150rpm - 3 kW, 220V, 50Hz, confirming that ....... the dream continues.http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/wall.gif
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Stop the squeak

Danny I can really appreciate your work.

The squeak is not indicative of such good work. the amp draw tells me something is not true. It "the squeak" happens always at the same point. The top shaft is pointing left, in the picture, the transmission coupler is pointing to the back right-hand quadrant, and the Lower shaft is pointing to the right.
the shaft without the motor gearing connected would tend to make me think the mechanism would come to rest with the levers in approximately this position.

I would love to take it home to do more developments with but I am fresh out of space. big offer for the right person.
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When I run into data limit problems I make trip to the local library where they have free wifi and using the download plugin that Aaron mentioned in my firefox and download the video there then I can watch it as many times as I want ast home. If you have any broadband free internet access that is what I would recommend you do also.
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I don't care about "closing the loop" as much as making something that can provide useful work.

Heck, I've got a 10 watt power source, can I have 120 watts in return, please?

anyone got instructions on how to build one and run your house?


I know this is an old 'thread' but IF you are still reading here, I have EXACTLY what you are asking for!
However, due to regular and systematic SABOTAGE on this Forum, I will only reveal this info to you personally (or perhaps others who are GENUINELY interested) since I am NOT interested in ANY form of argument!!
You can contact me at lbanki at bigpond dot com (FIX the email address)
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Old 05-23-2017, 02:08 PM
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yet another walter skinner replication

dooo dooo dooooo dooo, dooo dooo dooooo doo

*insert ufo imogee

Hello ESM'rs,

im currently reading through this thread,

love gravity machines and pendulums,

always have,

I AM Determined too work a replica of some youtube videos i am inspired by,
and i plan too post the images and experiences on the forum, - hoping peeps are going too help me out,. - im currently lathe'ing some mdf drive pulleys, and will post the progessess tomorrow,, - the machine is days away from completion and testing.

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Old 07-09-2017, 09:37 PM
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last night it struck me that my math was a little wrong... and came back to check some progress....

rohndoe had a pretty good demo...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTWwp5qUY3U

the longer the vertical shaft, the less work is used (L2a/L1*Mg) to raise the weights so they can fall, but the real work is resulting as torque on the shaft, (L2*Mg). removing Mg as a common factor from both leaves L2 (length of the arm), L2a (length of the arm + a little for the offset of the horizontal from the bottom), L1 (Length of the arm from the horizontal to the top).

L2 is constant so whatever length arm you have determines the base multiplier of torque.
L1 increasing decreases the work to raise the weight.

Oh, but it's the sin of the angle only that gets applied to the torque so a longer arm has a lesser angle (unless the top rotation is increased in diamter, which is doable I suppose; limited by the angle of ... well no, I guess a gear system on two hemispheres could be made such that even 90 degrees can result in good torque transfer. (100% gravity to torque translation) (or really just 2 45 degree gears since it doesn't have to pivot)

I guess 1.0 translation of mass to torque would be having the drive bar horizontal (attached image)



you don't gain RPM directly - the red (output generator/transmission) could be a gearbox to leverage it. The lower the output load, the lower the weight will be up to a maximum.... would need to be some sort of limit.

The outside ring would have to be fixed to the center part and rotate together... (lazy suzan plate in the center? )

That design is of course less horizontal space efficient but gains vertical stacking efficiency (somewhat).

(classic john device model, with a mostly vertical shaft, but then output torque only gains the sin(theta) torque, where theta is < 5 degrees, whereas the above is 90 degrees which sin(90) = 1.0 )


Some possible builds of a flat device....
The top is like a peice of plywood or something with a hole cut in it in the center for the gear drive, and a hole for the arm to go through, can then mount the drive arm down to that....
the second is the same sort of idea but maybe a bicycle wheel with a few spokes removed so the drive gear can get through...would have to keep the bar from moving in and out and keep it meshed against the center gear...



But this sort of arrangement simplifies the math some; should be easier to prove that the linear force required on the outside of the drive is less than the torque force you can get out for basically any mass > 1 on the mass-arm. and based on how much greater you can then consider moving it back to a more vertical drive

But then also the load needs to be a greater force than the input in order to require any gain from the pivoting mass. The mass would hang vertically and basically be a 1:1 transfer from the input drive to the output drive, then as the output requires more load, the weight would raise and compensate, and the input would gain at a rate of L2/L1 ( if L2(the mass arm) is shorter than L1 (the drive arm) the required force will then be that fraction of force required, and you'll start to note a greater output.

The skinner device would mostly be leveraging its inertial to drive a lathe, and probably only a very very tiny shift in the weights would be required. Full load would be the drive shaft ahead of the mass by 90 degrees. (even in Rohnjoe's video because there's no real load, the mass is only slightly lagged from the drive, only the slight force required to overcome the friction on the bottom would lag the weight).
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Old 08-30-2017, 01:48 PM
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Centrifugal force tests I made

I am very intreagued by Skinner's machine and have read all the fine work you all have done. I was very curious about centrifugal force and did the following tests that gave me hope.
Skinner 1939 gravity machine centrifugal force tests and hope

In this case I used a seesaw movement and not an oval.

And now I'd like to make a similar setup to test the input and output
of the Skinner principles.

More than anything right now the world needs a better energy source
along with some serious peace....

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Old 10-22-2017, 11:11 PM
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Centrifugal force acting on the top of the lower weight

Centrifugal force is absolutely critical. The John Device uses a flat weight so, it has little down-force. The Skinner device uses a tall weight. The centrifugal force translates to downforce against the bottom arm. It isn't just gravity that is pulling / pushing the end of the arm down. The load (resistance to rotation) is effectively trying to make the weight climb up. The taller the weight, the more leverage against the lower arm. The higher the rpm, the more centrifugal force is being converted to downforce. As the lower weight spins up to speed, it exerts ever-more downforce against the end of the lowest arm.
The top of the lower rod is pushing up against a ramp. The lower weight is pushing down to stay at the bottom of the ramp.
The upper part is pretty much a compounding device.
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:41 PM
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Skinner geometry

I'm going to try to describe the various actions that are going on in the Skinner device. It is difficult on paper. First, a list of terms / parts.
1. lower shaft
2. output shaft at the bottom of the lower shaft.
3. lower weight
4. lower arm(s) aluminum
5. square plate that connects the bottom of the upper shaft to the top of the lower shaft
6. upper weight
7. upper shaft

Part 7 transmits a circular movement to part 5. This path of motion is fixed by the top motorized arm and the gimbal. Part 6 is locked in to part 5.
The arm of part 6 always trying to fall to the lowest point possible. This constant falling is what holds part 1 in a circular orbit. Part 7 is locked into a circular orbit. Part 1 is limited in it's orbit but, NOT locked in. Part 1 revolves in a near perfect circle.
As part 2 receives drag, it slows down part 1.
Part 1 is directed in a circular orbit by part 5 and the force of gravity against part 3. If part 2 were to come to a stop, part 5 would continue to rotate but it would be forced to rise up. It isn't locked into part 5 but, it is directed by it.
Any drag on part 2 causes part 4 to try to rise. It must lift the full weight of part 3. In addition to the weight of part 3, there is added downforce created by the centrifugal force against the top of part 3. There is centrifugal force against the entirety of part 3 but the upper part describes the largest diameter circle.
This centrifugal force is working with the leverage of the very tall weight. The included angle where part 3 attaches to part 4 is under considerable strain.
The longer that part 4 is,, the greater the strain,,, given a constant rpm. A longer arm produces more downforce. A greater angle on part 1 produces more downforce. The drag on part 2 is trying to create an upforce.
It is an ingenious device.
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Old 01-09-2018, 02:04 AM
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ALL!

Perhaps its about time to look at other options, a hell of a lot simpler than the quad Skinner device!

May I suggest that you check out Kevin Hay (Canada) on Facebook.
(Make sure you get the right guy - he owns 'Vancouver Island Ormus'.)
Kevin has got it all worked out!

To illustrate this point, I paste his first email to me about two weeks ago.

Cheers,
Les Banki

Hello Les,

Yes, our first model was sustained at over 400 COP.
It took less than 0.1 amp at 12 volt to sustain 1.9636 HP.

I am currently working in medical agricultural production areas however I am also engineering some of my more modern methods with a Japanese company that I am partnering with.
My engineering partner works in large scale rice agriculture and drone technology so this will allow me to incorporate my work into several areas, and allow me to provide these dynamos for people working in agriculture before any other field becomes involved.

All electricity is gravitational inertia based torsion induced compression.
All of it.

This is braking planetary inertia and this is not complicated.

I have over 170 designs of workable systems just in the mechanical area alone. My basic show and share designs are based on children's ability to understand this, apply this and use it effectively.
My work is in plasma initiation.
I have several dozen easier methods to generate high voltage current Les.
If you want electricity, do what Tesla did. Tap the planet.

My systems are being applied to electro-gravitational propulsion dynamics, as some of the complex algorithms for attaining inductive inversion of gravitation are not so complicated.

If you can understand that it is gravity that moves water, then you can understand that it is also gravity that is being compressed allowing for this reaction, called phase conjugation, to induce an electrostatic inversion of gravitation.
Restricting this induces electricity.
Not restricting this allows for inductive electro-gravitational potential.

I have simple leveraged systems that can make whatever electricity you want....just put the dynamo under it and line up the crank, and place whatever mass inversion is necessary onto the oscillator.
Any size dynamo, mega watt and larger can be run...so please understand that this is what Tesla did...in reverse.


I am showing how to build an electromotive generator.
Tesla showed how to tap the planets movement and electrify it.
I am showing how to tap the planets movement, by not electrifying it and using the inertia as a torsion based electromotive reaction.
It is easier making the river any size that you need, than tailoring a new system.
All that is really required is that you correct the inversions in the schematic and allow the existing model not to fight itself.

My first electromagnetic transformer induced 100V AC on 0.000 volt.
My second one went 23 feet into the air with a 9 volt battery.
My third one induced 268V with an induction sealer and self resonated a secondary circuit with 9.6amp at 120volt AC.

By the way, I have shared all of this on Facebook and you can resource this information in the PJK Free Energy Book.
Everything that Tesla did can be accomplished much much easier by understanding torsion tensors and inertia. We can create our own electromagnetic self induced oscillator, we do not even need to tap the planet any longer.

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Hi Les,

I don't do Facebook, but I have spent over an hour on the PJK website looking for anything from Kevin Hay. I have not been able to find any information on that site about his devices. Is there somewhere else to look at them or do you know where on the PJK site his information might be?

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I don't do Facebook, but I have spent over an hour on the PJK website looking for anything from Kevin Hay. I have not been able to find any information on that site about his devices. Is there somewhere else to look at them or do you know where on the PJK site his information might be?

Thanks,
Carroll
Hi Carroll,

Well, I don't "do" Facebook either but I use my wife's Facebook account just to check out Kevin Hay!!
By the way, Kevin is having a break from Facebook (which pisses him off!) and has now joined "minds.com" to try it out.

Be aware that he has published a hell of a lot of info of various kinds over the years but you should keep in mind that he has been on ORMUS for almost 5 years now so his brain/mind is UNIQUE.
No kidding.

IF you don't know what ORMUS is, you better do some studies!!!
His reference to the PJK ebook is general, meaning all other inventors and their inventions but NO, you will not find him in that book!!

Personally, I have saved most of his important posts, notes, comments, pictures, drawings and videos.
Thus, I have no less than 30 files in my 'Kevin Hay Folder'!

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Les Banki
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Hi Carroll,

Well, I don't "do" Facebook either but I use my wife's Facebook account just to check out Kevin Hay!!
By the way, Kevin is having a break from Facebook (which pisses him off!) and has now joined "minds.com" to try it out.

Be aware that he has published a hell of a lot of info of various kinds over the years but you should keep in mind that he has been on ORMUS for almost 5 years now so his brain/mind is UNIQUE.
No kidding.

IF you don't know what ORMUS is, you better do some studies!!!
His reference to the PJK ebook is general, meaning all other inventors and their inventions but NO, you will not find him in that book!!

Personally, I have saved most of his important posts, notes, comments, pictures, drawings and videos.
Thus, I have no less than 30 files in my 'Kevin Hay Folder'!

Cheers,
Les Banki
Hi Les,

Okay so completely off thread topic, but regarding ORMUS…

What is your opinion on “Ocean White” or ORMUS derived from sea water and Joe Cell like devices?

AKA what Lynn and / or Joe are doing…

Cheers,
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Hi Les,

Okay so completely off thread topic, but regarding ORMUS…

What is your opinion on “Ocean White” or ORMUS derived from sea water and Joe Cell like devices?

AKA what Lynn and / or Joe are doing…

Cheers,
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As I have stated in my reply to Carroll, you better do your own research on ORMUS, instead of taking my words on the subject.
However, let me just say that I have known about ORME (or ORMUS as it is known now) since 1995 and I also have 7 audio tapes (lecture) by Don (David Hudson's chemist).
The only reason I was not taking it (before now) is because there was NO supply that I know of at that time and even if there was, it would probably be prohibitively expensive.
Now, there are several suppliers and their prices are affordable.

As for the Joe cell, note this:
I have known Joe personally since 1995 when he stayed at my place for 4 days (and nights).
My best friend for 46 years, Paul C., had the opportunity to drive Joe's car with his "cell" fitted.
So, all those who have argued for years about the "Joe cell" are MORONS!!
Period.

Cheers,
Les Banki
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wondering about the current status of the Skinner work

I did some work on the centrifical force here

Skinner 1939 gravity machine centrifugal force tests and hope

And I've been thinking that the oval rotation is much like
the amusement ride called the "whip" which was an oval
that had a car you sit in that got whipped around the corner/end
of the oval real fast because it had to keep up with the outer
longer circumference. And with the point on a paper and the
eraser head up top rotating in an oval makes the pencil
drop toward the paper and then rise back up when it gets
to the center/narrow part of the oval...
My question then becomes how does it go back up that slope
toward the middle of the oval?
Michael Nunnerly talked about the sling shot concept that was used
when a space craft was shot around the moon's gravity/hold so that
it could be accelerated back to earth...

Along with this then is Patrick Kelly's point about a chair on one
leg is easy to tilt and get it to turn with very little effort...

Any help or thoughts guys?

Norman
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Along with this then is Patrick Kelly's point about a chair on one
leg is easy to tilt and get it to turn with very little effort...

Any help or thoughts guys?

Norman
Norman,

You have already admitted (in a private email) that you are NOT ready to make a full size gravity machine which can fully supply a home.
You just keep "theorizing".

Further, you seem to have ignored my single page document I sent you:
"Gravity powered free energy device"
Well, IF you want better technical explanations for EVERYTHING involved in a gravity powered project, you better check out Kevin Hay's Facebook page!
No ifs, no buts!

Perhaps other readers may be interested to read that short document, I paste it here:

Gravity powered free energy device

ELEGANT simplicity – with the courtesy of our CREATOR!

ALL 'mass' has a certain 'weight', due to the effect of GRAVITY.
When a weight (or weights) are rotated around an axis (shaft) on a circular path and a given radius, centrifugal force is created.
The formula for calculating uniform circular motion centrifugal force is:
F=m*r*ω2

where:
F : is in Nm, m: is 'mass' (weight) in kg, r: is radius in meters, ω: angular velocity in rad/sec
How it works:

Unbeknown to most people, ALL planets have their 'N-S' axis tilted and so have all Atoms!
(Planet Earth is no exception - its axis is tilted 23.44º.)

Our CREATOR (the greatest Intellect there is!) had his reasons!

We find that when we rotate a LARGE mass (weight) on a tilted axis, the power required is just a fraction of the resultant centrifugal force!

No, I am NOT the first, nor the only one who has discovered this effect.
Actually, nobody has ever “discovered” ANYTHING.
It was GIVEN to us in various forms by our Creator!
Thus, there is no such thing as “intellectual property”.
Period.

ALL energy is FREE and LIMITLESS.
Always has been.
However, most people cannot understand WHY and HOW they have been forced to pay for energy.

Anyway, by analysing my simple design, you will see five (5) main sections:

1. The GRAVITY section: 2 weight arms, 2 weight holders and the lead weights (4 or 5).
2. The CONTROL section, consisting of the tilted drive shaft, the upper arm to the motor and the motor itself.
3. The ELECTRONIC power supply, power analyser, speed controller and battery charger.
4. The GEARING arrangement, “transforming” 123RPM to 1500RPM required by the generator.
It consists of 2 x 40 teeth pulleys, 2 x 140 teeth pulleys, and 2 x 1600-8M-30 belts.
5. The GENERATOR (10kW for this design)

If mains power is no longer connected, the system is started by a start-up battery (takes about 30-60 seconds, depending on the set-up) which is then automatically recharged by the built-in charger.
A digital RPM meter (using a Hall effect device and a magnet to sense rotation) is also built-in.
After start-up, the required RPM is set manually. (for now)
Should the speed vary too much with applied load variations, automatic speed controller will be fitted.

Les Banki
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Sorry Les.

Norman,

You have already admitted (in a private email) that you are NOT ready to make a full size gravity machine which can fully supply a home.
You just keep "theorizing".

Further, you seem to have ignored my single page document I sent you:
"Gravity powered free energy device"
Well, IF you want better technical explanations for EVERYTHING involved in a gravity powered project, you better check out Kevin Hay's Facebook page!
No ifs, no buts!

You are right. I was reviewing old posts and replied to things that I had
learned and did not go to the last page till this morning. I was also tied
up on a computer scam yesterday and I have no dial tone on the ph.

Thanks to all who are diligently working and sharing you ideas.

I'll use my wife's facebook to check on Kevin Hay's Facebook page!
I'm processing you info next.

Norman
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struggling with correct geometry

I'm still struggling with the correct geometry of the device.
in msg # 205 p. 7 Michael Nunnerly has a hand drawing
named skinner.drawing.jpg and I can't quite read all the
comments. It appears that the top weight is free to move and
as the top lever is moved back and forth the translation plate
will have to swing around and thus the comment is written that
it works like a slingshot which I envision as the amusement park
ride we called the whip because at the end of the oval you are swung
around the outer part of the "racetrack" real fast - thus slingshot.

And there is a gimbal at the top whereas other folks say there is a gimbal
at the bottom..

Any help with the correct geometry would be appreciated.

Another point is the small weight on a string swing around your head
will lift a much larger weight when swung fast enough... Surely that
is part of Skinner but my simple question is how do we capture
that force and use it. I did that in my balanced bicycle crank enhancement
of the test above by capturing the twisting back and forth of the bicycle crank.
But I did not get it properly measured yet.

Norman
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Hi Norman

I did a lot of theoretical work on this after taking apart the video.

The drive motor is totally dislocated from the levers which when pushed (by hand to start it all) start to semi engage (sling shot) at certain points in the lever parabolic/ovallated movement.

The effect is like the small push of a child on a swing to keep it going. The energy created (loose word there) comes from the effect of the weights falling with reference to the MOVING reference point. (shoot a ball to the left of the goal post, but move the post so you make a goal ). One set of weights is the ball and the other the posts, the motor is the person who kicked the ball at the right time, and so this is repeated over and over again at the speed the machine is set to.

The top connection of the lever is just a free turning, both ends, bent piece of metal.

Hope that explains it a bit.

Regards

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Thanks Mike, I understand the moving of the goal posts but which weight
is the ball and which is the goal post?
top? bottom?

Back to Patrick Kelley's chair. I when the chair falls to one side it
has to be lifted back up so it can fall again. Where does the work
come from to lift it back up? My thinking was centrifical/centrifugal
force around the end of the oval...

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Thanks Mike, I understand the moving of the goal posts but which weight
is the ball and which is the goal post?
top? bottom?

Back to Patrick Kelley's chair. I when the chair falls to one side it
has to be lifted back up so it can fall again. Where does the work
come from to lift it back up? My thinking was centrifical/centrifugal
force around the end of the oval...

Norman
Norman,

Perhaps you might believe that I keep replying to your posts just to annoy you!
But NO, that is not the case.
I am just hoping that others here might also read my posts too and finally WAKE UP!

Well, well....you are still confused and I dare say you will REMAIN CONFUSED
until you STOP believing all the posts in this thread (and elsewhere)!
I know I will NOT be very "popular" here by saying that virtually ALL posts here are pure NONSENSE!

How do I know??
Simple.

So far, I seem to be the only one here who has actually BUILD something, instead of just theorizing.
While meaning no offense to Mike, what did he give you?? His "theories"!
Nothing more!

Cheers,
Les Banki

To finish off, I will post Kevin Hay's Facebook post today:

Kevin Hay added 7 new photos.
1 hr ·
I have nothing to prove.
The functions that I am showing and the mechanics that I am sharing do this for me.
This is the best part. I cannot refute these functions, as I try every day to test and learn how to better apply them.
That is all that I am showing here.
I am not trying to convert people or mediate discontent through usury.
I am not trying to manipulate others or convince anyone of anything.
I cannot do this. In fact, it was very difficult for me to break my own programming and move past the barriers that were taught to me as a child and through my entire adult life.
I could barely convince myself that what I was observing was possible due to the misconceptions and the disinformation that is still being taught today.
Now, I simply follow these reactions and I show some of them and explain some of these here.
I know that many people use facebook for a messenger system, for finding people when they are lonely or for hiding behind masks and becoming someone else for a time...
I cannot do this here.
I came onto facebook to share some information with people and to find out if there were others like myself among these 1 point something billion facebook users...
I have found a few other people here that have similar interests and yet very few have emerged that can accelerate what I am seeing inside of my mind.
I am hopeful that many people in the years to come can find this information and begin to test some of these very simple mechanical and electromagnetic devices as these will allow others to begin a much needed education in the forces that are generated from planetary movement, such as gravitation and electricity.
It is through understanding the force functions that control the flow of water that we can begin to observe leveraged torsion dynamics and scalar functions being split through the mechanics of molecular geometry and the phase convergence of opposing magnetic functions that invert and form the cohesion of "atoms" into matter.
I see these functions somewhat differently, as magnetic torsion tensors, as decoupled hydrogen in an atomic form, however this is not usable or testable through mechanical designs that allow people to see and learn from these simple polar inversions that induce electromagnetic compression, as gravity or inertia.
The simple fact is that we can generate electricity from a lever and an imbalanced wheel.
We can apply this system in the same manner as any hydroelectric dynamo or facility, only we do not need water for a conduit.
We never did.
Nikola Tesla and the Niagara falls project was a patronizing jump back in time, as this could have been done far easier and far less expensively by using very simple mechanical systems that could have been engineered several thousand years ago.
Easily.
So, we need to take a few moments and realize that you can't test this by reading about it.
You need a lever and a wheel.
That's it.
You can make two compression systems from any bicycle.
A fellow just sent me something similar to Veljko Milkovic's pumping system.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbkuvynok8...A0092.MP4?dl=0
Here is my first attempt:
https://www.facebook.com/TheRevLtD/v...user_video_tab
Veljko Milkovic shows how to do this using pendulums,
https://www.facebook.com/pg/milkovic...=page_internal
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So what have you built Les and what has Kevin built that works?

After you spoke so highly of Kevin I spent at least 6 hours researching his work. Did I find a working prototype or anything with as much potential as the Skinner device? No I did not.

I really think you should start your own thread as it doesn't belong here.
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