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In the presence of air atmosphere, the law of inertia does not function. If you threw an object aloft several meters, it will come back to your hand; not because of the law of inertia but because the Earth is stationary. You cannot breathe oxygen from air atmosphere and speak about the law of inertia. Dump the law of inertia in space.
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Let's look at a situation inspired by Galileo's example. An observer on a train moving smoothly with velocity v either drops a ball or throws it horizontally with speed -v, ie with speed v in the opposite direction. We can compare this with an observer on the platform who either drops a ball, or who throws it (forwards) with v. We show the two points of view. Galileo chose lead or rock as the material so that the weight of the projectile would be much greater than the forces exerted on it by air. In our animation, air resistance is neglected.


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No one has measured the Earth’s speed even in the modern time with a developed technology. Scientists have measured the speed of microscopic constituents of the Earth, atoms and molecules, but they have failed to measure the speed of rotating Earth! The "Earth’s rotation" is a technical notation refers to a fake mechanism that only found in the fairytale of heliocentrism.
Earth's Angular Speed
The angular speed of Earth's rotation in inertial space is (7.2921150 ± 0.0000001) ×10−5 radians per SI second (mean solar second).[27] Multiplying by (180°/π radians)×(86,400 seconds/mean solar day) yields 360.9856°/mean solar day, indicating that Earth rotates more than 360° relative to the fixed stars in one solar day.

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Earth's Velocities
Astronomers believe the "Earth" is moving at approximately 630 km per second with respect to this local co-moving frame of reference.

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The Earth is traveling at an average speed of 828,000 km/h (230 km/s) or 514,000 mph (143 mi/s) relative to the galactic center
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What are sun’s velocities above the flat earth?



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The prosperity of heliocentrism was ceased a by talented objection, that all dropped objects should land behind their starting positions because the turning Earth leaves them behind. Unfortunately, the objection of the talented people was refuted because of a dead law in air atmosphere – the law of inertia. It is the Galileo’s law and the first law of Newton. Their common reply is that: all dropped objects have inertia, and thus, the rotating Earth will not leave them behind. The law of inertia cannot be applied in air atmosphere under any conditions. Galileo demanded that, the law of inertial is valid only in the absence of air but the Helios fellows extended the inertial law in air atmosphere. We would gratefully appreciate Galileo if his law were situated in air, since it will save our Earth from the pollutions of the fossils. Consider one of their fellows in airplane and during its motion in air atmosphere he left the airplane with a parachute. According to the inertial law; the fellow and the airplane are supposed to move side-to-side with the same speed. He must feel proud to his superpower; the airplane is consuming propellers and he is not! In reality, and in the first moment, he will realize that the airplane is ahead of him and he is left behind in air because the inertial motion is terminated by the presence of air. Argue or not, it is well-known fact since the ancient civilizations. In the presence of air atmosphere, the law of inertia does not function. If you threw an object aloft several meters, it will come back to your hand; not because of the law of inertia but because the Earth is stationary. You cannot breathe oxygen from air atmosphere and speak about the law of inertia. Dump the law of inertia in space.

The modern folks are disturbed from the disbelief of some fellows to their theory. They are wondering why some fellows whom are belonging to the 21st century and can not realize the rotation of the Earth with a speed of 1669.8 km/hr at the equator. To even our trouble; the modern fellows insisted that the air atmosphere is also rotating with the rigid Earth. Perhaps, they do not know that, the Earth’s speed varies with Earth’s latitude. Since the rigid sphere has different speeds along its latitude; hence, the air molecules must have the local speed of the rigid Earth at any given latitude. What are the airspeed and pressure pattern that would be caused by the Earth’s rotation? The maximum airspeed and the maximum pressure (dynamic pressure) must be oriented at the Earth’s equator in which the Earth suffers its maximum rotational speed of 1669.8 km/hr. Conversely, the minimum air speed and the minimum pressure (dynamic pressure) must be oriented at the north and south poles since the rotational speed is zero. This pressure setup is the fittest route for Hurricanes; a pressure drop between two regions (from high pressure to low pressure). No one has measured the Earth’s speed even in the modern time with a developed technology. Scientists have measured the speed of microscopic constituents of the Earth, atoms and molecules, but they have failed to measure the speed of rotating Earth! The "Earth’s rotation" is a technical notation refers to a fake mechanism that only found in the fairytale of heliocentrism.
Here we shall measure the Earth’s speed with a well-known device – Pitot static tube.The Pitot static tube, shown in Figure 2.1, is an instrument of measuring the speed of airplane by measuring the difference between the static and the total pressure for a given location and condition. It is a tool that verifies the object is in motion, and not an illusion. It consists of a tube that has two ends in the orthogonal and parallel arrangements to the flow of motion. The portion denoted B in the diagram is facing (perpendicular) to the kinetic air, it measures the total pressure PB. The total pressure of a flow at any given point is the pressure that would result if the flow were forced to stop isentropically (means adiabatic and reversible) to zero velocity. It is the impact pressure that results in the opposite direction of moving objects such as automobiles, airplanes, etc.


fig. 2.1 Schematic of a Pitot-static tube

The portion denoted A in the diagram is parallel to the kinetic air, it measures the static air pressure PA. The static pressure is the pressure of air that is not subject to any stimulated conditions but it has the component of thermal motion. The Pitot tube measures the total pressure of the flow at B, and the static pressure at A for a given altitude height, from zero to aloft. If PB equals to PA, then the dynamic pressure is zero; therefore, the flow velocity has zero component or more precisely has its thermal velocity only. Basically, the aero-dynamical condition for non moving objects is when the static and the total pressure are equal. Otherwise, for when PB > PA, the flow has a kinetic velocity and it is an indication of moving object. The speed of air flow will be classified on the basis of the well-known number in aerodynamic – the Mach number. The Mach number is the ratio of flow speed, denoted V, to the speed of sound, denoted a, at the point of motion for a given temperature, that is M = V/a.

Three different aero-dynamical regimes can be defined, these are subsonic flow for M < 1, sonic flow at M =1, and supersonic flow for M > 1.

The temperature of the air T is in Kelvin. So, by glance we must have three different regimes along the Earth’s latitude in the north and south parts of the Earth as illustrated in Figure 2.2. The supersonic flow, M >1, is compressible and shock waves will be formed ahead of Pitot tube; you can photograph it and send the image to one of the heliocentric centers to acclaim their beliefs. The speed of airflow (the adjacent layer to Earth’s surface) at the equator is considered the same as the speed of the rigid Earth. It cannot be less than 1669.8 km/hr, but it is slightly greater than 1669.8 km/hr. In a rotational system, the angular velocity (= w r) is, clearly, larger for greater distance, and vice versa. Consider the mean temperature of the air at the equator to be 30 degree C (= 303 degree K), then the speed of sound is 348 m/s, and the Mach number M is equal to 1.33. Hence, the equator is the region at which M = 1.33, it is the latitude of a supersonic and compressible flow. Continuously, the second principal region is designated for the sonic and compressible air flow, M = 1. Instead of evaluating the Mach number from a given latitude, we re-flow the calculations that to find the Earth’s latitude for given Mach number. It works in either direction. The spinning speed varies with the latitude of the Earth according to Equation 2.6. It is rearranged here, so to find the latitudinal degree as a function of the spinning speed of the rigid Earth, which is also the speed of the airflow. Consider the mean temperature of the air to be 20 degree C (= 293 degree K), then the speed of sound is equal to 342 m/s. Since V = a, then the spinning speed is equal to 1232 km/hr.

The latitude that corresponds to the Mach number M =1 is 45 degree north and south. The third principal region is designated for the subsonic and incompressible flow, M = 0.3. Consider the mean temperature of the air to be 10 degree C (= 283 degree K). (The mean temperature drops from the equatorial value as you move toward north and south poles.) In this case, the speed of sound is equal to 336 m/s, since V = 0.3 a, hence the spinning speed is equal to 100.8 m/s (363 km/hr). The latitude that corresponds to the Mach number M = 0.3 is 77 degree north and south.


Figure 2.2 The dynamic air flow along Earth's latitude that should result from Earth's rotation. The higher is the rotation, the greater is the Mach number.

It is very obvious, that if the Earth were experiencing a daily rotation; the air flow at the surface of the Earth would have variable velocity (not the thermal), variable pressure (not the static), and variable density (not the normal). The science of aerodynamic is clear in this issue; an air flow (dynamic) should be generated from the region of M = 1.33 to the region of M = 0; from the region of high density (at the equator) to the region of low density (at the poles). Such air flow and such air pressure regimes do not exist. The localities of these regimes would terminate the life of all species on Earth. The fact that, the static sea level pressure is equal to one atmosphere (= 1013.25 mbar (millibar) = 0.101325 x 106 Pascal) at standard conditions concludes the absence of rotating Earth. You can confirm this fact by applying the Pitot static-tube along the Earth’s latitudes. In a non windy day, the Pitot static-tube must indicate a total pressure of 1.0 atm which is equal to the static pressure; otherwise, it must be calibrated. This verifies that the speed of the air flow has no other component than the thermal static speed. If you hold the Pitot static tube so that the portion-B faces the air flow and the portion-A faces the air loft; the tube will read 1.0 atm in a standard day, in all directions. It is true and fact.

The Helios fellows keep arguing that we are not feeling the Earth’s rotation. It is not a matter of feeling; it is a matter of velocity and pressure. They must clarify that: if the Earth were stationary, the life and science on Earth would be different than the “reality” of rotating Earth and not using twinkling arguments that would lead to the status of stationary Earth. What causes the air molecules to experience a daily rotation? Either we assume a visible airfoil carries the air along with the Earth’s rotation or to assume the outer layer of the air atmosphere is made of solid layer. Both assumptions belong to science fiction; no one accepts that the visible airfoil is unseen and the outer layer of air atmosphere is solid and not vacuum! The cause of the rotation of the air layer at sea level is without ancestor. The technique of the rotation, also, cannot be envisioned by a normal brain of human. One cannot believe a “Big Event” (not the Big Bang) – the rotation of the air layer (at the Earth’s surface) – along with the rigid Earth but cannot be measured by the modern man.


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What are sun’s velocities above the flat earth?


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1669,8 km/h, is this the velocity of the sun "running" above the equator of the flat earth?

Is flat earth the center of the universe or is it located in the Milky Way galaxy?

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1669,8 km/h, is this the velocity of the sun "running" above the equator of the flat earth?

Is flat earth the center of the universe or is it located in the Milky Way galaxy?

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Answer to your first question: yes
Answer to your second question: The flat earth is the center of the universe, i will show some diagrams later...

Now it's time to make some conclusions here:

1. The Earth does not rotate on it's axis! - 100 % sure (proved) truth

2. The Earth does not revolve around sun! - 100 % sure (proved) truth


All geocentrists and flat earthers admit above truths!

Here are some important experiments which scientifically had established these truths:


3. Surface of the Earth is flat!

Here we have disagreement between ordinary geocentrists and flat earthers. We should now reconsider this issue just a little bit...

In post #4 we can read this sentence: It’s difficult to see how the scientific creationists, some of whom claim to discern the laws of thermodynamics in the Bible, can fail to see its flat-earth implications.

Similarly, i must admit that it's difficult to see how geocentrists can fail to see flat-earth implications of geocentrism?

In post #7 i put this question: In geocentric universe everything is spinning around Earth, how can it be?

In the same post i have answered to that question with these words: It can't be without great modifications of the geometry, and relations (distances) between celestial objects (and their sizes) in the universe as we generally perceive it on the basis of current fraudulent scientific dogma!!! That is why geocentrists are much lousier guys than heliocentists! Geocentrism without Flat Earth Hypothesis is just a disastrously preposterous idea, ultimate stupidity! Listen this excellent question, and then excellently stupid answer: Mic'd Up "The Principle: Is Earth Really the Center of the Universe?"

One of the best illustrations of the stupidity of geocentism without accepting flat earth hypothesis is here - this is how they explain the seasons on the earth:



If they wouldn't make any major changes in the geometry of the universe they would have to face insurmountable obstacles like these:

1. Instead of 3219 km/h (alleged speed of Moon's motion in orbit around the Earth) they have to accept preposterous speed of Moon's motion of at least 193 140 km/h!

2. Instead of 10 950 km/s (alleged speed of Earth's motion in orbit around the Sun) they have to accept ultimately preposterous speed of Sun's motion around the Earth of at least 39 420 000 km/h.

3. Maybe you still remember these words of mine: Geocentrists who are not flat earthers have to defend earth rotation hypothesis, otherwise they can't explain days and nights on Earth. But, if Earth doesn't spin (and it doesn't) then they have to get rid of earth tilt hypothesis because if Sun is orbiting TILTED and SPHERICAL Earth it can't produce 6 months of North Pole daylight, it can't produce even 24 hours continuous North Pole daylight. When you get rid of earth tilt hypothesis then you could still theorized geocentric Earth, but not in the context of The Earth as we know it, because Sun which daily revolve this time UN-TILTED but still SPHERICAL Earth could produce 6 months of North Pole daylight but during these 6 months, on SPHERICAL Earth such revolving Sun couldn't cast any light not just to South Pole but to much wider/larger part of southern hemisphere (Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, South America etc...)...So, if Earth is not spinning than it has to be flat.

In addition, according to above diagram during spring/autumn seasons (if the sun would be far enough from the earth) we would have midnight sun in north and south pole simultaneously...

4. http://www.energeticforum.com/256172-post44.html

So, we have to accept this model of the universe which is Flat Earth Model:






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Answer to your second question: The flat earth is the center of the universe, i will show some diagrams later...
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Interesting debate, with much data supporting both views.
You might find this video interesting, bullet trajectory east vr west.
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Al, you have to see this: Universe The Cosmology Quest Part 1 - BIG BANG IDEOLOGY AND MODERN INQUISITION

Here's a common tale about the meaning of Copernicus' discovery. By discarding the geocentric conception of the Earth's position in the heavens, Copernicus displaced humankind from the center of the cosmos. That upset the ancient theological conception for which geocentric astronomy was the ladder to belief that God created the world to culminate in the creation of Man as the apex of divine Providence (the Great Chain of Being).

The discovery stimulated Kepler, Galileo, and Newton to create modern natural science, whose fundamental postulate is that all natural phenomena obey discoverable universal laws. But this mind-expanding, culture renovating revolution was incomplete because living organisms seemed not to fall under physical laws, thus leaving to theology the explanation, by special creation, of the origin and purposive actions of living things. The schizophrenia was ended when Charles Darwin propounded natural selection as a law to explain living organisms. No more miracles needed, and the human species is definitely not the center of things.

Copernicus didn't discover the heliocentric system. He recycled the concept that originated with Aristarchus of Samos, who calculated the diameter and volume of the Sun to be much greater than Earth; hence (big leap) Earth circulates around the Sun, not vice versa.

The hypothesis didn't persuade other ancient astronomers because it wasn't consistent with observed planetary motion. Geocentrism was systematized by Ptolemy in his massive study, the Almagest, which described observed planetary motions more adequately. Copernicus' De revolutionibus (1543) eliminated all but one of Ptolemy's eighty epicycles, but his description of orbital paths was less accurate than Ptolemy's.

Copernicus didn't displace the Earth from the center of the universe, only from the center of the planetary system, which remained the center of the universe.

The Dominican visionary Giordano Bruno proposed the infinity of the universe, and argued, purely on the basis of the logic of heliocentrism, that the fixed stars are objects like the Sun. But he was also much involved in theological meandering and claimed that Christ was but a magacian, that the Holy Ghost is the soul of the world, and that the Devil will be redeemed. It was for these heresies, and not his defence of heliocentrism, that he was condemned to death by the Inquisition in 1600. Even so, Copernicus' book was placed on the Index in 1614.

And Newton, that celebrated champion of natural-laws-rule-all? For him the elliptical orbits of comets and planets meant that the solar system was unstable and required an Almighty fix-up from time to time. That's a miracle, and he knew it. And he liked it, for Newton was deeply religious.

Newton believed that the planets were inhabited by creatures like ourselves. Just about everyone did: Kepler, Bruno, Descartes, all the way down to Percival Lowell's attempt to prove that Mars' 'canals' were created by intelligent beings. (He established the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona to do his Moon work). Of course, Lowell didn't argue that Mars could presently support human-like life, but it once did.

This remnant of the old belief continues to this day. NASA vigorously touts the idea that there's 'life on Mars'. Promoting the idea rouses public support for NASA's ambitious project of creating a manned mission on Mars, which will in turn be the launch pad for the 'conquest of space'. And ... contact with extra-terrestrial intelligence! Enter here science pundit Carl Sagan and the SETI project for detecting signals of intelligent life 'out there'. We aren't alone!

The SETI caper would be only a theological gesture were it not for NASA's commitment to the 'conquest of space', a manned mission to Mars in the first instance. The practicalities of the mission are awesome. The flight would need 300 days, as against three days to reach the Moon. The mission would extend over three years and would cost, on one estimate, $400 billion. Since the human body can't endure weightlessness beyond about 100 days, an on-board g-force device would be required. Food and excrement would need to be recycled. How crew psychology would cope with confinement, sexual abstenance, and isolation is not known. Nevertheless, the Mars mission has been authorized by President Bush, at the urging of NASA, and with the strong support of the National Space Society.

So, after conning us with the faked Moon missions we are being conned again with coming faked Mars missions, after all black military projects are great devourers of money, and in order to be better monitored by our slave owners we have to provide them (NASA and co.) with stupendous amount of money so that they can establish absolute control over us!






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Do you believe in NASA?

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They faked moon landing, why wouldn't they fake one stupid image which proves nothing?



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Shaykh Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, the supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, believes the earth is flat,[10][11] and so does Muslim Researcher on Astronomy Fadhel Al-Sa'd, who declared in a televised debate aired on Iraqi Al-Fayhaa TV (October 31, 2007) that the Earth is flat as evidenced by Qur'anic verses and that the sun is much smaller than the Earth and revolves around it.[12]

As devout Muslims, they have good reason to conclude the Earth is flat; the Qur'anic verses 15:19, 20:53, 43:10, 50:7, 51:48, 71:19, 78:6, 79:30, 88:20 and 91:6 all clearly state this and not a single verse in the Qur'an hint to a spherical earth.

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Bill Cooper - Alien Agenda - Are Aliens Real? Nephilim, Mars, Moon, Pyramids - YouTube


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Al, do you remember this: http://www.energeticforum.com/254964-post74.html

As a Mason goes through the 32 degrees of the Scottish rite, he ends up giving worship to every Egyptian pagan god, the gods of Persia, gods of India, Greek gods, Babylonian gods, and others. As you come to the 17th degree, the Masons claim that they will give you the password that will give him entrance at the judgment day to the Masonic deity, the great architect of the universe. It is very interesting that this secret password is "Abaddon".

REVELATION 9:11 They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon. (NASB) Abaddon and Apollyon both mean "destroyer." The 'angel' of the Abyss (Hell) is really the chief demon whose name is Abaddon. Masons claim then, that the diety they worship is Abaddon! WHO IS THE "DESTROYER"?

There are 13 degrees of York-Rite Masonry and 33 degrees of Scottish-Rite. Our measuring system originated in Masonic France in the 1790s which explains why 13 standard inches is equal to precisely 33 metric centimeters. Ice freezes and changes back to water at 32 degrees Fahrenheit, also corresponding with Masonic degrees of illumination, since every high-level Mason who hasn't yet "contributed significantly to the Great Work" is frozen at 32 degrees. 33 is the first degree that the "illuminated" can move freely throughout the organization. The very idea of measuring heat by "degrees" is Masonic. So is your diploma (degree), and getting “the third degree” comes from the Masonic third degree ceremony in which the initiate must answer many probing, personal questions.

The United Nations flag shows the globe divided into 33 sections encircled by olive branches. The flag also happens to be blue just like the first 3 “blue degrees” of Masonry.



Apollo is "Lucifer." And remember, that the international flag of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry is the United Nations Flag (according to their own site). As Bill Cooper points out, the United Nations Flag depicts the nations of the world encircled by the laurel of Apollo.

NASA was created to make interstellar travel believable. The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon. Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.

All of the names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echoed the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion: The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed."

Most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of photography, lighting, and physics can easily prove that NASA faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. Some are so obviously fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently.

C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington D.C. of Neil Armstrong on the moons surface (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin.



The effect upon the people of the world was, that if we could go to the moon other creatures from other worlds could travel to our Earth. The escalation of the artificial alien threat scenario since that time is obvious.

The recent revelations of the fraudulent nature of NASA and the Apollo space program by the Intelligence Service and others has resulted in a flood of propaganda, television programs, and films designed to keep the people trapped in a deep ignorant sleep. The most ambitious are "Apollo 13" and "From the Earth to the Moon," both involving the actor/producer Tom Hanks. The latter opens with a monologue by Mr. Hanks who walks forward revealing a huge representation of the "God" Apollo (Sun, Osiris, lost word, etc.) guiding his chariot pulled by 4 horses through the heavens.

NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.

P.S. One thing that bothers a lot of people about freemasonry is the secrecy and the symbolism. After reading more than a dozen books by individuals who rose to the 33rd-degree level or higher, I strongly recommend that those involved should be running to the bookstore to get these first-hand stories and then re-evaluate whether they should stay in this world-wide organization, and again, this must be purely personal decision by each man. It does appear to me, however, that anyone below the 33-degree level has absolutely no idea what is going on at the highest levels.

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Would they have been instantly fried or turned into frozen dust? - I vote for the latter option!

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There is so much evidence that points to the fact that we never even went to the moon,i wont bother getting into all of those well known details...

If that really was a hoax and a lie and i think it was,to say we beat the russians at something major and significant during the cold war,for funneling mega-bucks towards other directions and into other hands and also for more nefarious reasons...

And so why wouldn't our entire space program itself also be a hoax and a deception?

Intentionally designed and orchestrated to keep the vast majority of us,the mainstream masses, thinking and looking in the wrong direction,up there,instead of all around us. Because 95% of the earths mass is totally unknown to us and completely unexplored (same with space, same with space) by us,far below underground and deep within the ocean...

The van allen belt that surrounds the earth has been described as being impenetrable by humans and man made machines because of very large amounts of very deadly radiation...

Try going up far beyond the earths atmosphere and you'll be within temperatures that are -455 degrees below zero and you'll be instantly turned into frozen dust and nearly all molecular motion ceases at those kinds of extreme temperatures.Absolute zero is -459.67 degrees below zero...

Remember seeing roses and other man made objects being momentarily placed within those very same deep freezing temperatures,taken out and then lightly tapped against something,or gently squeezed within someones gloved hand and how those deep frozen objects instantly disintegrated into frozen dust like breaking glass?

And so the molecules that make up their spacesuits and their spaceships should also cease to move and those spacesuits and spaceships should also be instantly turned into brittle frozen dust, but they dont and they are not...

Why dont they? Why are they not? Are they even really up there? Were all the moon landings and our entire space program itself nothing more than a huge hoax and a massive deception?

What percentage of the human race has claimed to have actually gone up into outer space? Not even 500 people and thats about 1 in 10 million...

And so all the astronauts who claim to have gone to the moon,walked upon its surface and went into outer space,could actually be lying,high paid actors and actresses,sworn to secrecy...

Because all we really see are the rockets going up and then we see the capsules splashing down...

We see the space shuttles going up and then we see the space shuttles landing...

We see the satellite carrying rockets going up and then we see nothing coming back down...

That's all we really see,that's all we really know,because that's all we are shown...

And everything else they are showing us,are nothing more than visual displays of their power tripping psych-ops,their green/blue screen movies and their faked photographs...
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Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings.

If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.

Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold molecules must be present.

A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.

Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.

NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.

NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.

The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to be cooled by the intense cold of space... an intense cold that DOES NOT EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that
obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to open the hatch upon the crafts return.

NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for suits or for cooling the spacecraft.

On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the Illuminati holds the common man.

Is it possible to return to Earth?


It is only possible to put a satellite in empty space at great velocity using a rocket, e.g. to orbit Earth. But you can never stop and recuperate it. It will always burn up on return to Earth. Just ask very young Russian Federal Space Agency Roscosmos president Denis Lyskov about it. Roscosmos is pretty good at launching satellites but has never managed to get one back on Earth. Lyskov has a hard time at Roscosmos. Many fake comsokrauts wanted his well paid job to promote the Russian space hoax propaganda. Same situation at NASA.

According NASA [1] you need 10 898 kg rocket fuel to slow down a 32 676 kg space ship (Apollo 11) from 2 400 m/s to 1 500 m/s speed during 357.5 seconds to get into lunar orbit of a Moon that orbits Earth at >1 000 m/s speed. These 10.898 kg fuel was according NASA available to produce the 127 kN thrust consuming 88.73 GJ energy to slow down the space ship; 1 kg of rocket fuel thus produced 8.14 MJ brake energy, i.e. fuel consumption to produce energy for braking was 8.14 MJ/kg fuel . It corresponds to an SFC of 0.24 kg/kN s.

It sounds possible. One problem though is that the P-22KS rocket engine could only provide 97.4 kN thrust. And I do not believe it is technically, humanly and physically possible for the space ship pilots/cosmokrauts to carry out the braking maneuver flying backwards in 3D while applying the brake force in the right direction.

This article explains in detail the energy, i.e. fuel, required by (1) the Apollo command/service modules to get into and out of Moon orbit from Earth and (2) the Lunar module to land on Moon and get back into orbit around Moon again. Fuel consumption is given as MJ/kg, i.e. how much effective kinetic energy 1 kg of rocket fuel produces during the various speed changes, when fuel is consumed. Another fuel consumption figure, kg/s, when the SM rocket engine was fired seems to have been constant 30-31 kg/s, like the Specific Fuel Consumption, SFC, around 0.24 kg/kN s.

There are no margins anywhere. Or redundancy. It was and is all Hollywood nonsense.

Elon is performing SpaceX re-entries today apart from selling Tesla S cars that get hot and burn up. Elon Musk/SpaceX tests and films its latest rocket in beautiful nowhere and it returns to nowhere. It is 100% computer generated images. But stupid people believe it ... 2014!

Is anybody really up there in the ISS being re-entered by SpaceX? The ISS is 99% NASA that created the Apollo 11 hoax paid for by US tax payers. I have a feeling the hoax is just going on.

Prove me wrong! Show that you are clever and earn € 1M!

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I THINK YOU'D SHOCK SOME CHRISTIANS IF YOU'D REMIND THEM THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THE SUN, MOON and STARS WERE NOT CREATED UNTIL THE FOURTH DAY OF CREATION!--Totally contrary to their theory! See, the Devil's whole idea is to try to disprove the Bible. And if we didn't pin you down to some of these things, you wouldn't even realise it! So you need to know these things so you won't swallow all that slop every time they dish it up, and they dish it up every single time they say anything about the Solar system or astronomy or stars or evolution.

You've heard that slop that they put out about the big ball of fire first, the sun coming first, and the sun threw off these planets, and you thought maybe that's the way God created it.--All pure evil imagination, that's all! It just isn't so! It just didn't happen that way. What did God make first?--The Heaven and the Earth! (Gen.1:1)

When I was young, they said the process of evolution had taken only a few million years. By the time I was a young teenager in high school, it had grown to a few hundred million. But by the time I got to college age, they were already hitting the billion mark! And I notice now they've gone up to 4-1/2 billion, because the further they can put it back, the more impossible it is to both prove or disprove.

I'm telling you, Man has gotten into things that are way too high for him, and much too old too. It's so ridiculous! Their theories of Creation and Evolution and the whole idea is to try to disprove God. And since the Devil can't prove his own lies, he does his damnedest to try to disprove the Truth! Because the more he can get you not to believe the Truth, like he did Adam and Eve in the Garden, then you'll have to believe his lies!

THE BIBLE DEFINITELY TEACHES THAT THESE ASTRAL BODIES INFLUENCE OUR LIVES HERE ON EARTH, that they were made to control the various life processes, balance of nature, etc. It must take a tremendous control system of some kind to keep it all in harmony and order and operating as it should! And why not? Why shouldn't God have put these things in control of the balance, of when is the time to be born? (Ecc.3:2)

There's not a single star that is more than 6,000 light years away! How can I prove that? Because time has only existed for the last 6,000 years, and the sun, moon and stars have only been around for the last 6,000 years! So if any of them are any further away than that, they just never existed! There's not a single star that is more than 6,000 light years away!

It says that on the fourth day He made the stars also. (Gen.1:16)--Do you think you could see them then? Well, we know from History that they've been seen for several thousand years, and it's my personal conviction that the stars were visible that very day. "Lights in the heavens" (Gen.1:15)--you must have been able to see them if they were lights! So if they saw them that same day, on the fourth day, they certainly couldn't have been more than 24 hours away.

Not even one light year away! Not even one light month away! They're not even one light week away! And they undoubtedly have to be less than one light day away, so they're only a few light hours away at the very most!--Not billions and trillions of light years, that's a lot of baloney! They are very far and they are very high, "Behold, the stars how high they are!"--They're far out, but they're not that far out!

BUT WHY DOES THE DEVIL KEEP HARPING ON THAT? Why does he keep inculcating students and children and big folks with those same lies about the distance of the stars? (James: Because if there were these great distances, it would imply that the whole thing's been around for millions of years!) A lot longer than 6,000 years! "So therefore the Bible isn't true, Creation's not only 6,000 years old, Man hasn't been here only 6,000 years!"--they say.

"The Earth ISN'T the most important planet, MAN'S not so important! After all, it's just a speck of dust, what the Hell does it matter what happens to us? We can blow the World up or kill our fellow man, it doesn't matter how we treat him or anything else!"--say the scientists. What a hellish Hell of a doctrine! All the Devil's devilish doctrines are damnable, fiendish, destructive, designed to destroy faith, designed to destroy belief in God and His Word and His Creation!

The discovery that the sun is shrinking may prove to be the downfall of the accepted theory of solar evolution. All accepted theories of the evolution of the stars are based on the assumption that thermonuclear fusion is the energy source for the stars. If this assumption is unjustified for our own star, the sun, it is unjustified for the other stars too. The entire theoretical description of the evolution of the universe is at stake. With the stakes that high, it is no wonder that the experimental evidence for the shrinkage of the sun is "explained away" by evolutionists. Evolutionists claim that the sun probably undergoes temporary shrinkages and expansions as small fluctuating oscillations on its overall regular evolutionary development. They point to other cyclic solar occurrences such as the 11-year sunspot cycle on the surface of the sun. This claim is made in spite of the evidence that the shrinkage rate of the sun has remained essentially constant over the past 100 years when very accurate measurements have been made on the size of the sun. Less accurate astronomical records spanning the past 400 years indicate the shrinkage rate has remained the same for the past 400 years.

The change in the size of the sun over the past 400 years is important in the study of origins. Over 100 thousand years these changes would have accumulated so much that life of any kind on the earth would have been very difficult, if not impossible. Thus, all life on the earth must be less than 100 thousand years (upper limit) old.

Those dates as upper limits rule out any possibility of evolution requiring hundreds of millions of years. However, the tiny change that would have occurred in the sun during the Biblical time since creation would be so small as to go almost unnoticed. Thus, the changes in the sun are consistent with recent creation.

The changes detected in the sun call into question the accepted thermonuclear fusion energy source for the sun. This, in turn, questions the entire theoretical structure upon which the evolutionary theory of astrophysics is built.


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Thanks zapzap, nice article, i like this comment (below the article) very much:

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There’s no need to hold up a dome. The dome rests on the atmosphere as a final ice build of helium and other light elements in a sort of fully expanded sort of dormant state, which is the reason it became ice, anyway.

It’s a ground build up of super dense matter that expands from the bottom to the top in a push on push motion. There is no pull, except in the word we use to view what we see as pull.
The truth is, nothing pulls – it pushes.
No gravity needed. Gravity simply does not exist.

Air pressure is responsible for what happens to everything on Earth. There is nothing we can see – past the ice dome, except blackness to our perception, as beyond the ice dome, it is really a true vacuum.

Remember: a vacuum does not suck: a vacuum is devoid of all matter.
What I am saying is; space does not exist in how we are told. What exists, is inside this Earth cell we are part of.

There is no weight without human invented scales that we put numbers to.
You weigh nothing when you step onto those scales. Your weight reading is dependent on the atmospheic pressure pushing your body into the ground, with your feet the last line of defence to stop that.

They tell you that mass and weight are different. The truth is, weight does not exist until you make it exist by using a scale. Mass exists to the eye. To know the density of that mass, you have to weigh it.
We weigh density.
I renamed it denpressure as the real gravity, because that’s what gravity is. It’s atmospheric pressure on any object where you can only find the density by measuring it on a man made scale.

Gold is very dense and a small bar of it weighs heavy on a scale, where as a sponge weighs very little. Why?

The reason is not gravity, it’s denpressure.
A sponge already has the atmospheric pressure within it in huge amounts. It’s mostly equalised with the pressure it’s in.

Gold resists the atmospheric pressure upon it’s surface area. Basically it pushes back.
Man made scales are already set to zero, because they were built under atmospheric conditions, so in reality, the weigh plate is resisting around 15 psi of pressure upon it but is set to zero as part and parcel of being under pressure to start with.

The gold bar is already taking up it’s own area of atmospheric pressure. It’s pushing against that 15 psi it is in, which it resists.
When you add that to the scale, your gold bar will measure a weight of whatever pressure pushes down onto it, which will force the already equalised scales down further.

A sponge will register minimal force, because it’s porous, or shall I say, the air pressure it is already in, it is resisting very little of it because only the fibres are under that pressure as the main pressure is already equalised inside of the sponge.

If you were to put that sponge under a super press, you would end up with something like a lentil sized density of what was a sponge. This is all the atmospheric pressure is really pushing down onto, so naturally it will register virtually nothing on a big scale and a little on delicate scales.

That being said: if you keep pushing things up from the ground, the atmosphere will push back and the severity of that push back depends on the ability of the object to resist it’s full force.

I explained how and why the ice dome works…I think, here. If not, it must have been on the other site.

In a nutshell…let’s imagine the Earth is half an orange in a vacuum. No dome and no life. Just half an orange in suspended animation.

So now we have a sky that are molecules in a fight, pushing on each other. The superior amount in the atmosphere are all pushing back onto the solid ground and oceans which is resisting them.

Push a mass of matter into that from under the ground (like a human being for instance) then that matter has to push against that pressure each time it grows into it.

There’s lots more to it but hopefully this can open up some minds to see where I’m going with this.

Basically people – you are so strong it’s scary. Unfortunately, we don’t appreciate how strong we are because we are used to the environment we find ourselves in.

It’s why we have most likely never been higher than about 80,000 feet, human wise, no matter what craft.

You need oxygen just to climb Everest. You need to acclimatise just to go to some different country at a higher elevation, because your body is used to heavier pressure upon it, so having lighter pressure upion it means your lungs and heart have to work harder to take in the oxygen you are used to as the oxygen you find yourself in, is more expanded, as in, it’s broken into other elements and made the area less dense of it due to expansion.

There is no space. No planets, no stars, no space meteors, no space aliens….nothing, EXCEPT light waves through prisms reflected off a nice big perfectly mirrored dome that is heat swept to keep it clear and the suns waves move over it.

The huge telescopes know what’s up there in a fashion, That’s why they can predict helium/hydrogen, etc icicle falls that you see as comets, that simply glow and evaporate back up over time depending on how big the icicle is and where on the dome it drops.

In a basic nutshell, that’s my take on it and mine only, so it’s not to say my thoughts are THE thought as WH and LSC have some excellent views on it all, too.

Somewhere in between all this, the truth is there. Picking at it will ultimately light that bulb very brightly and with all effort that’s went into this stuff from the above mentioned as well as others: that light is getting brighter by the day.

Keep thinking outside the box folks, because the more minds on it, no matter how it may look….ultimately something can click each time and the jigsaw can take on a fuller picture.
It is consistent with this:

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Many more facts could be added to the foregoing collection, but already the number is sufficient to enable us to form a definite conclusion as to what is the real cause of the tides.

The facts 1 to 7 fully enable us to establish syllogistically the groundwork of the reply. All bodies floating in an incompressible medium, and exposed to atmospheric pressure, fluctuate, or rise and fall in that medium.

The earth is a vast irregular structure, stretched out upon and standing or floating in the incompressible waters of the "great deep."

Ergo--The earth has, of necessity, a motion of fluctuation.

Hence, when by the pressure of the atmosphere, the earth is depressed or forced slowly down into the "great deep," the waters immediately close in upon the receding bays and headlands, and produce the flood tide; and

when, by reaction, the earth slowly ascends, the waters recede, and the result is the ebb tide.

Facts 8, 9, 11, 12, and 16, show results that must necessarily follow this fluctuation of the earth. The velocity of the flood is greatest as it approaches land. If the waters were put in motion by the moon, the velocity would be greatest where the altitude was greatest or nearest the moon, and least the farthest from it or nearest the shores. The reverse is the case in nature.

The line of sight being at a given time above the pole-star, as shown in fact 16 (fig. 67), and in twelve hours afterwards below it, as shown in fig. 68, is exactly the result which must follow a slowly rising and falling earth.

Facts 11 and 12 are also consistent with and necessarily attach to a slowly fluctuating elastic mass like the earth.

In fact 10 we see the irregularity of time in flood and ebb, which arises from the irregular form of the bed of the waters. The submarine channels, banks, and depressions which exist in all directions, the action and reaction, mounting and "back-lashing" of the waters, produce the irregular times and altitudes of the tides observed and recorded in the hydrographic offices of different nations.

In fact 13 we see that out of the reach of the great bulk of the fluctuating earth the waters are but little disturbed; but if the waters were lifted up by the moon they would flow towards and flood the southern or antarctic lands as readily and to as great an extent as the land in the equatorial and northern regions.

In fact 14 we have a phenomenon which could not possibly exist if the tides arise from the action of the moon upon the water; for as the action would first be on the surface, that surface would be the first to show change of motion, and the bottom the last.

Read more: Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not A Globe: Chapter XII. The Cause of Tides
The Newtonian and Helios fellows have no other choice than one of these; to be pression or to be gravity. The choice of Earth’s rotation (the cause of pression), should repel the gravity from Earth. Consequently, the heliocentric model looses the most precious element. The choice of gravity should remove the concept of Earth’s rotation from the cosmos motion, consequently; the journey of the Earth around the sun becomes useless since half of the Earth should be always in darkness and the second half should be always in lightness. What we have mentioned above are facts that should result if either case were existed. We shall compare the above cases with he facts of the real atmosphere. In a real atmosphere, the measured air-pressure at the surface of the rigid Earth is 1013.25 mbar (1 atm), at standard condition of temperature. It is the highest pressure value measured in the altitude height for standard conditions. The pressure pattern of air atmosphere reveals that, the pressure drops from 1 atm to lower values as we ascend to higher altitudes, reaching zero at the interface with space. In addition, the abundant of hydrogen is higher at the outer layer than at the surface of the Earth. Moreover, the concentration of oxygen is higher at the seal level than at the outer layers. These conclude that, the Earth had never rotated since the first day of life. Consequently, the Earth should not revolve around the sun without a rotation. In this case, the Newtonian fellows are constrained to the garden of falling apples; yet, till we see what is the matter? Up to here, the heliocentric is gone, but we have five more chapters.

So if it is not gravity then GR and SRT are wrong:
A QUESTION OF TIME - General Relativity

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Because the Earth's magnetic field's inclination and intensity vary at different latitudes, compasses are often balanced during manufacture so that the dial or needle will be level, eliminating needle drag which can give inaccurate readings. Most manufacturers balance their compass needles for one of five zones, ranging from zone 1, covering most of the Northern Hemisphere, to zone 5 covering Australia and the southern oceans. This individual zone balancing prevents excessive dipping of one end of the needle which can cause the compass card to stick and give false readings.
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Liquid Filled Ball Style Pin On Compass proves the flat earth hoax.



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Al, now that you have mentioned compass again, next argument is going to be really painful for you:

Observational fact

The Sun in the sky during the summer in the Northern hemisphere (above the Tropic of Cancer) travels in a southern arc across the sky which is a West-West-South direction until noon and then a West-West-North direction until midnight as this illustration below shows:



Heliocentric theory:
The Earth spins in an anti-clockwise direction (if viewed looking down from the North Pole). It spins on its axis just over 360° in 24 hours and travels around the sun in one year. It tilts 23.44° on its axis so that at the height of the summer (solstice), one hemisphere will be nearer to the sun than the other, and in 6 months on the other side of the sun, this same hemisphere will be further away (winter solstice). So, the heliocentric theory states that the Northern hemisphere (above the Tropic of Cancer) in the summer solstice tilts towards the sun at 23.44°.

So far so good. The sun is seen to travel in the sky East to West because the Earth is rotating in the opposite direction West to East. Now imagine any location in the Northern hemisphere (NH) above the Tropic of Cancer as it rotates anti-clockwise. At daybreak the NH is rotating in a downwards direction East-East-South until noon where it reverses and travels upwards East-East-North until midnight. The Sun is seen to travel in the sky in the opposite direction which is West-West-North until noon and then West-West-South until midnight. This is a northern arc, as the flipped illustration below demonstrates:



As we can see, this is EXACTLY opposite to how the Sun is seen to traverse the sky. No matter what the season, the Sun in the Northern hemisphere above the Tropic of Cancer NEVER travels in a northern arc… EVER… not in winter, not in fall/spring, not in summer!

So much for heliocentric theory.

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@cikljamas start thinking 3D.

The celestial equator is a great circle on the imaginary celestial sphere, in the same plane as the Earth's equator. In other words, it is a projection of the terrestrial equator out into space.[1] As a result of the Earth's axial tilt, the celestial equator is inclined by 23.4° with respect to the ecliptic plane.

Celestial equator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Celestial sphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



In astronomy and navigation, the celestial sphere is an imaginary sphere of arbitrarily large radius, concentric with a particular celestial body. All objects in the observer's sky can be thought of as projected upon the inside surface of the celestial sphere, as if it were the underside of a dome or a hemispherical screen. The celestial sphere is a practical tool for spherical astronomy, allowing observers to plot positions of objects in the sky when their distances are unknown or unimportant.



The axis of a planet remains oriented in the same direction with reference to the background stars regardless of where it is in its orbit. Northern hemisphere summer occurs at the right side of this diagram, where the north pole (red) is directed toward the Sun, winter at the left.
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Al, it seems that you think that my access to wikipedia is restricted... Well, it is not...

Al, tell me something that i don't know, something new!

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Stanley Kubrick and The Saturn Death Cult

The schizophrenia goes on:

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In essence, everything hinges on the question of whether or not electricity exists in space. The mainstream view is that it does not; we argue that it does. Everything else flows from that.

What we are attempting to do is bring about a scientific revolution; The Electric Revolution. This Revolution will have as far-reaching consequences as the Copernican revolution, which was also based on one simple idea, is the Earth or the Sun at the centre?

Like the Copernican revolution, the data can be interpreted in both ways; Copernicus did not phrase his argument that the Sun was at the centre; he merely suggested that it was an awful lot easier to interpret the data if, for the sake of calculation alone, one pretended that it was. In the same way, I believe we are essentially suggesting that it’s an awful lot easier to explain the observed behaviour of the universe if one allows electricity to have a role. Yes, you can develop a gravity-only model that gives the right answers, but having to live with 96% of the resulting universe being dark and unobservable is no better than having to have multiple levels of epicycles to explain the planetary motions around the earth.

That’s why it’s so simple. Just assume electricity is there and it all becomes a whole lot easier.”
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Al, tell me something that i don't know,
Shining Stars i.e. Suns "Running in Circles" Above Equator of the Flat Earth Create a "Taurus".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...JA4EFJn4#t=346

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A diagram of Earth’s location in the Universe in a series of eight maps that show from left to right, starting with the Earth, moving to the Solar System, onto the Solar Interstellar Neighborhood, onto the Milky Way, onto the Local Galactic Group, onto the Virgo Supercluster, onto our local superclusters, and finishing at the observable Universe.
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Although the United States does not officially define a boundary of space, the U.S. definition of an astronaut, which is still held today, is a person who has flown more than 50 miles (~80 km) above mean sea level. (This is approximately the line between the mesosphere and the thermosphere.) This definition of an astronaut had been somewhat controversial, due to differing definitions between the United States military and NASA.[8]

International law defines the lower boundary of space as the lowest perigee attainable by an orbiting space vehicle, but does not specify an altitude. Due to atmospheric drag, the lowest altitude at which an object in a circular orbit can complete at least one full revolution without propulsion is approximately 150 km (90 mi), whereas an object can maintain an elliptical orbit with perigee as low as about 130 km (80 mi) with propulsion. Above altitudes of approximately 160 km (100 mi) the sky is completely black.

The thermosphere extends from an altitude of 50 miles (80 km) to between 200 miles (320 km) and 375 miles (600 km). The temperature increases with altitude from about *130/ F (*90/ C) to the thermopause where the maximum temperature occurs. The maximum temperature is about 2,960/ F (1,475/ C) during the day and about 440/ F (225/ C). U.S. astronaut wings are awarded to anyone who travels to an altitude of 50 miles or higher, regardless of whether they completed an orbit of the Earth. At an altitude above 60 miles (100 km) wings and other lift and control surfaces no longer work since the atmosphere is too thin to generate lift and aerodynamic stabilization. This is an area of complete silence outside the craft because the atmosphere is too thin to carry sound waves. All but one *millionth of the atmosphere lies below 60 miles altitude. An altitude of 93 miles (150 km) is the lowest altitude at which a satellite in a circular orbit can orbit the Earth for at least one revolution without propulsion. At this altitude it takes 87.5 minutes to complete one revolution of Earth. This altitude is the most commonly accepted definition of where space begins but it is not explicitly stated in any treaty or international agreement. An altitude of 80 miles (129 km) is about the lowest altitude (perigee) at which a satellite in an elliptical orbit can pass through the Earth's atmosphere and still remain in orbit. At an altitude of approximately 100 miles (160 km) the sky is totally black. Stars do flicker and the area between stars is black since there is not enough air to scatter light rays.



At about 85km altitude temperatures start to rise until they hit the Kármán line which is 100km high. After this line, the heat abruptly increases rising rapidly to 200km whereby it starts to level off, although other sources say it continually rises. Temperatures can vary, depending on sun activity, but can reach as high as… wait for it… 2 500 degree C.

We are told most satellites orbit the Earth at altitudes of over 500km to avoid atmospheric drag, with a few circling in Medium Earth Orbit which goes up to 35,786km!

Excuse number one comes from a few websites such as Wikipedia who wish to insult our intelligence to the max. Here is the main explanation for why satellites aren’t converted into man-made meteorites:

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The highly diluted gas in this layer can reach 2500°C (4530°F) during the day. Even though the temperature is so high, one would not feel warm in the thermosphere, because it is so near vacuum that there is not enough contact with the few atoms of gas to transfer much heat.
Errr… wait a minute. I thought it is the sun that causes those few atoms of gas to heat up to 2500°C? Oh, it is.

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Thermospheric temperatures increase with altitude due to absorption of highly energetic solar radiation.
So, we can't see it (the Sun), but we can feel it??? Weird, ain't it?

And now, something completely consistent with NASA modus operandi:

Must See: 9/11 and flight 175


Totally trustworthy Totally trustworthy!!!

Al, why don't you show me some more convincing photos made by NASA?

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Yeah, cikljamas! The thermosphere and the resulting satellite nonsense is indeed a very intriguing topic. How does it fit within the flat earth model though? Why is the temperature increasing? Is it because we're getting increasingly closer to the Sun? Also, could you please explain the day/night cycle within the flat Earth model?
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So, we can't see it (the Sun), but we can feel it??? Weird, ain't it?

And now, something completely consistent with NASA modus operandi:

Must See: 9/11 and flight 175


Totally trustworthy Totally trustworthy!!!

Al, why don't you show me some more convincing photos made by NASA?

@cikljamas
First, you are posting in the Renewable Energy forum.
Second, the subject of your thread is North – South
Third, your thread belongs in the General Discussion.
Forth, you don’t do your homework e.g. Must See: 9/11 and flight 175
Five, "you are still on the flat earth."


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Hi Saros, welcome to energetic forum, glad to see you here!

First of all, allow me to summarize arguments against Earth's rotation hoax theory:

1. Imagine that we live in the house placed in the North Pole region, or that we fix the web cam on the roof of our northern house and direct it (web ca,) to the sun.

What would happen?

For several summer months the sun would change it's position in the sky very slowly (due to Earth's orbital motion), but in this period of time sun wouldn't change noticeably it's position in the sky due to Earth's daily-rotational motion, in other words we wouldn't be able to notice sun's daily circular path across the sky because we would stand directly in the line with Earth's axis, which means: our northern house wouldn't make any circle at all or in the worst case it would make such a small circle (if we were somewhat out of straight Earth's axis line) that it couldn't have any such effect which could yield any noticeable sun's parallax in the sky.

Sun would be practically immovable spot in the sky (just like stars are).

Why don't we have until this day any such video which could easily prove Earth's daily rotation?

Because the Earth is not revolving at all, and because the Earth's surface is flatly flat!

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If the Earth was rotating about its axis, someone in Quito, Ecuador would be traveling twice as fast from west to east as someone in Oslo, Norway – at any moment, and at every moment. Meanwhile, someone looking at the proverbial North Pole, would hardly be moving at all! But is that reality?

Of course it is not reality, but this supposed fact of Earth's rotation now becomes deadliest error of all, concerning supposed differences of Earth rotational speeds at different latitudes.

If these differences were really the true fact then the speed of apparent motion of all celestial bodies would be twice greater for any observer on the equator than it would be for any observer on the latitude of Oslo.

How hard would be to make an experiment (measurement) of such kind???

3. If the atmosphere were independent (non rotating-static) from Earth's daily rotation then we would have on the surface of the Earth permanent winds that blow 600 to 1600 km/h. Do you notice permanent winds which blow at such a speed?

If the atmosphere were rotating along with the Earth the air flow at the surface of the Earth would have variable velocity (not the thermal), variable pressure (not the static), and variable density (not the normal). Such air flow and such air pressure regimes do not exist.

If the atmosphere were rotating along with the Earth (i.e., from west to east in direction), an airplane would have to travel much faster to fly from Los Angeles to Miami than from Miami to Los Angeles. And the required speed to fly west-to-east at cities close to the equator would be much greater than speed needed to go from, say, Toronto to Moscow (since the Earth’s speed of rotation closer to the North Pole would be less than farther to the south).

If the atmosphere were static then we would have opposite situation, it would be almost impossible to fly west to east, and it would be too easy (and twice faster then it is on the immovable Earth) to fly east to west.

4. If the Earth were suffering a daily rotation it would generate an incredible deflection on all flying matters in air atmosphere. 5) The inertial motion is terminated in air atmosphere, and thus all dropped objects should land behind their starting positions on a rotating Earth.

5. THE EARTH NO AXIAL OR ORBITAL MOTION.

6. To be pression or to be gravity? The choice of Earth’s rotation (the cause of pression), should repel the gravity from Earth. Consequently, the heliocentric model looses the most precious element. The choice of gravity should remove the concept of Earth’s rotation from the cosmos motion, consequently; the journey of the Earth around the sun becomes useless since half of the Earth should be always in darkness and the second half should be always in lightness.

7. True vs False Path of the Sun (thanks to Wild Heretic)

8. NO CAUSE OF EARTH'S ROTATION WHATSOEVER: retains the state of illusion. The most important element in heliocentric model is the Earth’s rotation about its polar axis. What is the cause of Earth’s rotation? No one has attributed the cause of Earth’s rotation to any type of action or force even though they have attributed the cause of orbital motion (revolution) to Newton’s law of gravity.

9. NO CAUSE OF THE ROTATION OF THE AIR-LAYER: 2) The rotation of the air-layer next to the rigid Earth is without cause, and lacks a technique and tool. Perhaps, one may envision the whole rigid sphere undergoes a rotation about its polar axis. But, how one can envision the air atmosphere (the surface layer) rotates with the rigid sphere without an engineering method (e.g.air foil). In addition, what maintains the air’s rotation for tens of thousands of years (we are practical people) without stop. The rotation of the background air is the greatest hoax ever invented by mankind.

If there is no Earth axial or orbital motion, we have to accept flat earth model because all geocentric as well as concave-earth models () are stupid and impossible (in reality) models!

In addition i would remind us to this marvellous excerpt from mr. Rowbotham's "Earth not a Globe":

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It will be seen also by reference to the diagram that when the sun is on the outer path, A, the portion of the disc of light which passes over England is much smaller than when it is on the inner path, B. Hence, the short days and winter season from the first position, and the longer days and summer season from the second. Thus day and night, long and short days and nights, morning and evening twilight, winter and summer, the long periods of alternate light and darkness at the northern or polar centre of the earth, arise from the expansion and contraction of the sun's path, and are all a part of one and the same general phenomenon.

The whole of these explanations have reference only to the region between the sun and the northern centre. It is evident that in the great encircling oceans of the south, and the numerous islands and parts of continents, which exist beyond that part of the earth where the sun is vertical, cannot have their days and nights, seasons, &c., precisely like those in the northern region. The north is a centre, and the south is that centre radiated or thrown out to a vast oceanic circumference, terminating in circular walls of ice, which form an impenetrable frozen barrier. Hence the phenomena referred to as existing in the north must be considerably modified in the south, For instance, the north being central, the light of the sun advancing and receding, gives long periods of alternate light and darkness at the actual centre; but in the far south, the sun, even when moving in his outer path, can only throw its light to a certain distance, beyond which there must be perpetual darkness. No evidence exists of there being long periods of light and darkness regularly alternating, as in the north. In the north, in summer-time, when the sun is moving in its inner path, the light shines continually for months together over the central region, and rapidly develops numerous forms of animal and vegetable life.

Thus it is a well ascertained fact that the constant sunlight of the north develops, with the utmost rapidity, numerous forms of vegetable life, and furnishes subsistence for millions of living creatures. But in the south, where the sunlight never dwells, or lingers about a central region, but rapidly sweeps over sea and land, to complete in twenty-four hours the great circle of the southern circumference, it has not time to excite and stimulate the surface; and, therefore, even in comparatively low southern latitudes, everything wears an aspect of desolation.

See also first post - page 2 - twilight experience comparison (England vs New Zealand)

Read more: CAUSE OF DAY AND NIGHT, WINTER AND SUMMER; AND THE LONG ALTERNATIONS OF LIGHT AND DARKNESS AT THE NORTHERN CENTRE.
@ Aljhoa, for those renewable energy guys who went astray to general discussion: Interview with Nikola Tesla from 1899

Rare Snowden Interview Blacked Out By Media


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Yeah, cikljamas! The thermosphere and the resulting satellite nonsense is indeed a very intriguing topic. How does it fit within the flat earth model though?
Perfectly!

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Why is the temperature increasing? Is it because we're getting increasingly closer to the Sun?
Could be, what do you think?

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Also, could you please explain the day/night cycle within the flat Earth model?
See above

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If a "moon & sun" are under a "glass dome", why an astronaut wears a space suite?



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If a "moon & sun" are under a "glass dome", why an astronaut wears a space suite?



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Personally, I am not sure astronauts ever set foot on the Moon or even managed to get into space.
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Cikljamas,

Thank you for your extensive response. I'm actually pretty much familiar with the evidence. It is indeed quite interesting.

However, does the flat Earth model provide any explanation as to why the Moon appears upside down in the Southern Hemisphere? I am kind of stuck on that one. If the surface is flat why is the Moon upside down? What do you think?
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Cikljamas,

Thank you for your extensive response. I'm actually pretty much familiar with the evidence. It is indeed quite interesting.
You welcome!

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However, does the flat Earth model provide any explanation as to why the Moon appears upside down in the Southern Hemisphere? I am kind of stuck on that one. If the surface is flat why is the Moon upside down? What do you think?
To be honest, never heard of it...

However, have you ever think about this:

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EXPLANATION

the new moon occurs when the moon is positioned between the earth and sun...Most people will be mystified if you ask them where to look for a full moon or a new moon. If you understand the geometry of the illumination, the answer is obvious. A new moon must rise and set with the Sun. A full moon must rise around sunset and set around sunrise.

So, New Moon you can exclusively see between 9 a.m. and 3 p. m.
It means you can't see New Moon in the night, right?
If so, someone has to be able to explain these photographs:
PanSTARRS comet: Remarkable time-lapse video captures comet's trek across skies of Georgia | Mail Online

But, since there is whole bunch of pictures like this, our deluded scientist tried to explain it by totally preposterous theory so called "the reflection of a reflection"!?!?!? Bear in mind that we "can't see" New Moon in the night sky!!!

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Many have laboured hard to make it appear that these phenomena are the result of what they have assumed to be light reflected from the earth--"Earth light," "the reflection of a reflection." The sun's light thrown back from the moon to the earth and returned from the earth to the moon! It seems never to have occurred to these "students of imagination" that this so-called "earth-light" is most intense when the moon is youngest, and therefore illuminates the earth the least. When the operating cause is least intense, the effect is much the greatest.
How about this (lunar eclipses whilst the sun is still above the horizon):

"In the lunar eclipses of July 17th, 1590; November 3rd, 1648; June 16th, 1666; and May 26th, 1668; the moon rose eclipsed whilst the sun was still apparently above the horizon. Those horizontal eclipses were noticed as early as the time of Pliny." On the 17th of January, 1870, a similar phenomenon occurred; .and again in July of the same year.


Now we have another exotic explanation of insane scientist so called "refraction of the earth's atmosphere":

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The only explanation which has been given of this phenomenon is the refraction caused by the earth's atmosphere. This, at first sight, is a plausible and fairly satisfactory solution; but on carefully examining the subject, it is found to be utterly inadequate; and those who have recourse to it cannot be aware that the refraction of an object and that of a shadow are in opposite directions. An object by refraction is bent upwards; but the shadow of any object is bent downwards, as will be seen by the following very simple experiment. Take a plain white shallow basin, and place it ten or twelve inches from a light in such a position that the shadow of the edge of the basin touches the centre of the bottom. Hold a rod vertically over and on the edge of the shadow, to denote its true position. Now let water be gradually poured into the basin, and the shadow will be seen to recede or shorten inwards and downwards; but if a rod or a spoon is allowed to rest, with its upper end towards the light, and the lower end in the bottom of the vessel, it will be seen, as the water is poured in, to bend upwards--thus proving that if refraction operated at all, it would do so by elevating the moon above its true position, and throwing the earth's shadow downwards, or directly away from the moon's surface. Hence it is clear that a lunar eclipse by a shadow of the earth is an utter impossibility.
Full Moon and Sun - same side of the Earth:







Bonus photo: http://www.sanibelcaptivafishing.net...ce-photo-2.jpg

AGAINST EARTH'S ORBITAL MOTION 1

AGAINST EARTH'S ORBITAL MOTION 2


Earth's surface is flat, so every phenomenon have to be in accordance with this fact. If the Moon is really upside down in the southern hemisphere we have to be able to harmonize it with FET. Defending true scientific facts we should not have fear of dealing with any possible question, no matter how hard it could be. I just have to admit that so far i haven't had any notion about this particular phenomena but i am still willing to examine it... For the beginning you could contribute by presenting some more details about the issue that you've just put forward...

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The Moon below the Equator

Why do the constellations and the Moon appear upside down from the Southern Hemisphere?

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@ Saros, i would say this is a hoax...

First example - picture taken from Huston Texas (NORTHERN HEMISPHERE):



Video from which above picture has been taken out:

UPSIDE DOWN MOON UNKNOWN MOON PHASE

Second example - picture taken from Zagreb Croatia (NORTHERN HEMISPHERE TOO)



Video from which above picture has been taken out:

Moon in front of clouds Croatia April 15th 2014.

This has reminded me of these funny argument (another widely well known hoax) that you can find in post #6 written by Hrothgar:
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I know the earth spins due to one simple test. Pull the plug on your drain and watch which direction the water swirls. If your in the north it will drain counter clockwise, in the south clockwise.
My answer to these funny argument was:

http://www.energeticforum.com/255833-post7.html

Did you see this (Hilarious - must see):

Rupert Sheldrake - The Science Delusion BANNED TED TALK

Hoaxes are in the air everywhere i look around
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Cikljamas,

I am a bit disappointed with your reply. What is a hoax?

Anyone in the Southern hemisphere can confirm the Moon is upside down in comparison to what we see in the Northern hemisphere.

I asked you this question, because I don't see how it fits within the flat Earth model. What makes it suddenly flip?

I am sure you can come up with a better explanation, but please don't tell me something that can be observed by millions is a hoax. Ask anyone who lives south of the equator to confirm this if you don't believe me.

This doesn't necessarily deny the flat Earth, but I just don't know how to explain it. Maybe there is a way to rationalize it.

Your pictures are funny. I also live on the planet Earth, and I have been looking at the Moon forever. It is always the same pattern, and it has never been upside down in the Northern hemisphere when it is full moon.

By the way you should know that if you take a photo through a telescope it is upside down. That is not the case here. In the southern hemisphere it is observed upside down with the naked eye!

As for the Moon in front of the clouds. You cannot be serious? Have you been on a plane above the clouds? Have you seen the Moon? Please I thought you're not trolling and now it actually seems you're. I challenge you to suggest another explanation, because right now it doesn't make sense.
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