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Old 09-25-2014, 08:20 AM
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Hrothgar, thanks for your link, let's quote last passage from there:

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The most important thing about all of this to remember is that the difference accumulates each day. It continues to accumulate until around April 2nd when at that time the speed of Earth "A" and Earth "B" are the same. At that time the position of the sun in the sky will have its maximum "offset" to the east. The time difference between the sun and your watch will be almost 8 minutes. From April 2nd until around July 3rd the sun will drift back toward the west. Then from July 3rd to October 2nd the sun continues to drift to the west until it reaches its maximum "offset" in the west. Then from October 2nd until January 2nd, the sun drifts back toward the east until it reaches its starting position on January 2nd.
Beautiful, you have just provided for us fantastically good description of heliocentric insanity. Now that we know that sometimes you can think logically, why don't you be sincere and admit that above quote from your link undoubtedly proves that it's utterly impossible to derive perfectly steady-even-precise-constant annual shift of all the stars on daily-hourly basis from such unsteady-uneven erratic orbital motion of the Earth?

IT is found by observation that the stars come to the meridian about four minutes earlier every twenty-four hours than the sun, taking the solar time as the standard. This makes 120 minutes every thirty days, and twenty-four hours in the year. Hence all the constellations have passed before or in advance of the sun in that time. This is the simple fact as observed in nature, but the theory of rotundity and motion on axes and in an orbit has no place for it. Visible truth must be ignored, because this theory stands in the way, and prevents its votaries from understanding it. What is plain and consistent with every known fact, and with the direct evidence of our senses, must be interpreted or translated into theoretical language--must be called "an illusion of our senses," and affirmed to be an apparent result only; the real cause being the earth's progressive motion round the sun in what is called the ecliptic, the plane of which is assumed to be inclined to the equator 23° 28´.

If the Moon orbits the Earth in the same direction as the Earth rotates on it's axis then the 'apparent' velocity of Moon's motion should be slower across the sky than the 'apparent' motion of the Sun.

The problem is that the 'apparent' motion of the Moon is much faster than the 'apparent' motion of the Sun across the sky!

4. Same goes for the Sun. If the Earth moves faster in winter than the apparent velocity of Sun's motion in winter should be slower across the sky than the apparent velocity of Sun's motion in summer, and all that of course should be (reality) as i just described if we assumed that the apparent velocity of the Sun is primarily a consequence of Earth's (non-existent) rotation on it's non-existent axis which is allegedly tilted 23,5 degree and spatially Fixed with respect to Nothing at all!!!

" We declare that this motion is all mere ' bosh,' and that the arguments which uphold it are, when examined by an eye that seeks Truth, mere nonsense and childish absurdity."
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cikljamas, Now you are telling obvious lies to support your theory.
Make a drawing of how anyone can see an airplane half above and half below the horizon while the actual plane is above a flat earth.
Also your Sun-speed arguments are obvious lies, a sundial would never have equal distances for hours in the morning and hours around noon.
Have you ever seen shadows of clouds or airplanes moving over land? Then just imagine how shadows would move around noon in your flat Earth.
You should also do the experiment that I told you to do to see the retrograde movement of shadows. Something you will not see with shadows caused by the Sun.

I really should stop posting here. It is exactly as I said before, you are insensitive to valid arguments that ruin your theory and you will hold on to any illusion that seems to support it.
You even say that things do not exist while proof has been posted in this thread.
You simply ignore it.
You WANT to believe your theory, so just go ahead and believe!


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Old 09-25-2014, 10:57 AM
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A dead heliocentrist walking

Ernst, you simply dismiss everything...so why don't you just tell me some more stories about how to ignore all and everything ( remaining stubborn ignorant)...nice to listen your fairytales...

Try to ignore this also:

Extrapolation of epochality of meaning of the words ("hidden" in plain sight) written in above post #456:

Heliocentrists admit that a velocity of Sun's ("apparent") motion across the sky is variable, and they attribute it to the different velocities of Earth's orbital motion. Only if we were to attribute it to the different velocities of Earth's orbital motion then the result should be opposite to what we observe. But that is just the beginning of a dead heliocentrist walking path.

1. Heliocentrists claim that the stars and the sun are at rest, and that the Earth is in motion.
2. The fact is that the Earth is at rest, and the stars and the sun are in motion. Now we are going to prove this assertion.

If 1 then the rate (velocity) of annual motion of all the stars above the Earth has to be variable too, not just a velocity of Sun's ("apparent") motion across the sky, but the fact is that the rate (velocity) of annual motion of all the stars above the Earth is a constant.

We can not assign different velocities of Sun's ("apparent") motion across the sky to the different (variable) velocities of Earth's orbital motion and in the same time evade to apply different (variable) velocities of Earth's orbital motion to the steady (which then shouldn't be steady but variable) rate (velocity) of annual motion of all the stars above the Earth.

If 2 then the steady-even rate (velocity) of annual motion of all the stars above the Earth doesn't have to be variable, because in that case annual motion of the stars doesn't depend of any other motion, but presents and performes independant motion. In that case Sun's motion also presents independant motion and all that remains is to adjust (by some "Entity") these two motions in order to make them synchronous motions.

I shall just add the vigorous testimony of Gothe: "It may be boldly asked where can the man be found,possessing the extraordinary gifts of Newton, who could suffer himself to be deluded by such a hocus-pocus, if he had not in the first instance wilfully deceived himself? Only those who know the strength of self-deception, and the extent to which it sometimes trenches on dishonesty, are in a condition to explain the conduct of Newton and of Newton's school. To support his unnatural theory Newton heaps fiction upon fiction, seeking to dazzle where he cannot convince."

In a Scientific Lecture, delivered in 1878, at Berlin by Dr. Schcepper, proving that the Earth neither rotates nor revolves, he quoted the following still stronger protest of Gothe against the delusions of Modern Astronomy. " In whatever way or manner may have occurred this business, I must still say that I curse this modern theory of Cosmogony, and hope that perchance there may appear, in due time, some young scientist of genius, who will pick up courage enough to upset this universally disseminated delirium of lunatics."


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Try to ignore this also: ...
Ignored as requested.


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cikljamas, Now you are telling obvious lies to support your theory.
Make a drawing of how anyone can see an airplane half above and half below the horizon while the actual plane is above a flat earth.
Also your Sun-speed arguments are obvious lies, a sundial would never have equal distances for hours in the morning and hours around noon.
Have you ever seen shadows of clouds or airplanes moving over land? Then just imagine how shadows would move around noon in your flat Earth.
You should also do the experiment that I told you to do to see the retrograde movement of shadows. Something you will not see with shadows caused by the Sun.

I really should stop posting here. It is exactly as I said before, you are insensitive to valid arguments that ruin your theory and you will hold on to any illusion that seems to support it.
You even say that things do not exist while proof has been posted in this thread.
You simply ignore it.
You WANT to believe your theory, so just go ahead and believe!


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@cikljamas, 2D thinking in the 3D world is very interesting but is getting out of hand, what can you tell us about fanaticism?

If one would make a tentative and very limited attempt at defining psychosis, one would have to say it refers to a major psychiatric disorder, one aspect of which is usually some obvious conflict with reality, or a difference from the way a majority of the population perceives reality, or a difference from the expected cultural norms concerning behavior. In the first place, this definition alone makes quite clear that there are areas for disagreement. Not everyone showing such difference or conflict is psychotic. Furthermore, not all people considered psychotic by specialists are necessarily manifestly disturbed in the ways mentioned— either in those actions which are to their own detriment or in those detrimental to society. During most of their lives they may show no obvious sign of any major disorder at all. It may either erupt suddenly or make itself felt only latently and subtly, or be disguised in culturally acceptable forms, such as religious or political fanaticism.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/psychosis.aspx


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Excerpt from the page 1 - post #18:

Al-Al, you think you can race with me? Well, let me introduce myself to you: alal vera kako ga chera Did you notice that guy on a segway? Were that you?

Maybe it could have been even more appropriate had i then put this video

What is going on down there, segway guys? Isn't it boring to be loser from the beginning to the end??? Haaaaa???
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who can they marry?!?!?!
Hrothgar, i am gonna answer your question after you admit that my "Earth-Stars-Sun" argument ( which i finally shaped into a final form in post #458) presents irrefutable evidence that the Earth is at rest...

I confess that it appears to me to be almost as unnecessary, as gilding gold or painting the lily, to give further evidence that the Earth is not a Planet, still, as some people are fond of having assurance made doubly sure, piling an Ossa upon a Pelion, I shall add another proof to the fact that there is no curvature in the sea, from the Light of Lighthouses seen at great distances. A glance at " The Lighthouses of the World,"* will show at what great distances some of their lights are visible, which would be utterly impossible were the sea convex, as our Modem Astronomers pretend it to be.

I shall name a few instances

"Pearson's Weekly of the agith December, 1894, says 'Evidently we have not got to the bottom of the matter yet. In August, 1890, the C Manoeuvre Fleet signalled with Search Light to colliers 70 miles away. . . . The information comes from Mr. F. T. Jane the Artist, who was on board at the time. According to the Astronomers these vessels should have been 3,200 feet below the horizon, allowing for a height of 40 feet on the signalling vessel, and 26 feet on the colliers ! ! !

Few pages back (page 13 - post #384) i wrote:

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Yesterday i recalled one of my trips along the beautiful croatian coast. At that (which suddenly came across my mind) occasion i visited one of the most southern croatian island (Lastovo). In western part of Lastovo there is one important lighthouse which has been built on a beautiful, wild (90 m high) cliff. There i met one old navigator who told me that from the top of that cliff when the weather conditions are very favorable you can see car headlights at Italian coast. The distance to the nearest point at Italian coast is 70 miles, which (according to RET) means that we should be able to see car headlights at Italian coast (from Lastovo) through 980 meters high hill of water.

How about that?

So, cikljamas didn't lie...Haaaaaaa? No, no, no, how could i lie? I am a christian, not a heliocentrist!!!

I may add that the Daily Mail of loth November, 1899, gives the representation of a Search-light at Kimberley which is stated to have been visible at a distance of 115 miles! This, of course, would be impossible if the Earth were a Globular Planet. I could very easily add many more proofs to similar effect, but I forbear; the fact is I am embarrassed with the riches of evidence that the Earth is not a Planet, and my difficulty in writing this book has not arisen from any lack of matter, but as to how I may best select and condense it, so that it may be of most use to my Readers, without omitting anything of real importance.

HOW MANY MORE EVIDENCES DO YOU (JUDAS) NEED TO BEGIN TO BELIEVE TO YOUR OWN SENSES AND TO YOUR OWN REASON? THEY DON'T LIE TO YOU, THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE WHO LIES TO YOU ALL ALONG???

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Why would I agree what a psycho bible-babble zealot lug nut who can't even Google his own answers say? You are desperate, conniving, insecure and frantic resorting not on logic but carrot and stick tactics! Just like the Templars your word is worthless as you refused to honor yours. Thou hast lied in that as you have in every thing else.
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I don't blame you for being you but it's true, i would never be like you (walk in your shoes)...I pity you very much...Flat Fish needs psychological help, but you Chicken, you need comprehensive help, you need assistence of a whole team of various experts...

This thread is a monument of truth, and also a monument of sorrow for those who can't stand the truth no matter what, no matter how plausible this truth is presented, no matter how obvious this truth is, no matter how inescapable insight into this monumental truth for every reader of this thread might (must) be.

So, in the name of all chickens whos eyes has been opened by reading this thread, but who have never found enough courage at least to say thanks i thank to myself:

Cikljamas, thank you very much for opening our imprisoned minds, your arguments render impressive monument of truth against fraudulent heliocentric theory and false RET, which are nothing more than ultimate rubbish and insult to sanity, an assault on dignity of man, and utter offense to God.

So chickens, if that's all you have to say, so long and thanks for all the fish...
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Who can hermaphrodites marry according to the bible? It should cover everything related to such thing. After all if they choose wrong that makes them gay. Who do they choose to be on the righteous path? It is a simple straight forward upright question.
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Cikljamas, thank you very much for opening our imprisoned minds, your arguments render impressive monument of truth against fraudulent heliocentric theory and false RET, which are nothing more than ultimate rubbish and insult to sanity, an assault on dignity of man, and utter offense to God.


when you talk to yourself like that , it doesnt help your case


not that it had any chance to begin with.
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Well, let me introduce myself to you: alal vera kako ga chera Did you notice that guy on a segway?
@cikljamas, your self-assessment of running in circles is truthful and segway can handle the 3D world.

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Tell me already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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According to Keppler, the orbital velocity of the Earth varies over the year.
The Earth's daily rotational speed, however, is constant.

The Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky is constant, not varying!
The velocity with which the path of the Sun across the sky changes over the year varies.

But this is the continuing story of a flat-liner's dead end.

The rate (velocity) of annual motion of all the stars above the Earth is to be varying too, however, as the yearly parallax for every star is too small to see, the difference in the rate of change is obviously impossible to observe.

Again, the velocity of Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky is constant, and the fact is that the rate (velocity) of annual motion of all the stars above the Earth is impossible to observe.

We can and we do assign different velocities to the Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky and to the varying velocities of Earth's orbital yearly motion and at the same time we fail to observe a varying rate of change in the yearly parallax of all the stars above the Earth.

I know I am talking to a wall
I know.
But at least now I also know that you know you are lying, you are not as ignorant as you pretend to be. You are playing a game, you want to see how many souls you can win with some ludicrous idea. What does your Bible say about such behaviour?
If someone has to repent here, it is going to be you,... big time!

Is your chicken talk an attempt to chicken out of this by pretending to be a deranged moron?

You have failed.

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@ Ernst, you are just so desperate guy and i am not sure any more if you are aware of your desperation or not.

If you stood in the centre of the north pole let's say at July 1th and if you tried to observe motion of the Sun, what would you see ? You couldn't see (according HC theory) any circular motion of the Sun, the Sun would stand still regarding Earth's supposed rotation, but what would happen with the apparent motion of the Sun regarding Earth's orbital motion (108 000 km/h)??? Nothing? 108 000 km per hour certainly is not nothing! Even Ernst can't overlook that fact, can you?

Hrothgar provided us with this nice quote (that you should have read by now at least once) in the post #451 (first post on this page - first passage):

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The most important thing about all of this to remember is that the difference accumulates each day. It continues to accumulate until around April 2nd when at that time the speed of Earth "A" and Earth "B" are the same. At that time the position of the sun in the sky will have its maximum "offset" to the east. The time difference between the sun and your watch will be almost 8 minutes. From April 2nd until around July 3rd the sun will drift back toward the west. Then from July 3rd to October 2nd the sun continues to drift to the west until it reaches its maximum "offset" in the west. Then from October 2nd until January 2nd, the sun drifts back toward the east until it reaches its starting position on January 2nd.
I have commented it with these words:

Beautiful, you have just provided for us fantastically good description of heliocentric insanity. Now that we know that sometimes you can think logically, why don't you be sincere and admit that above quote from your link undoubtedly proves that it's utterly impossible to derive perfectly steady-even-precise-constant annual shift of all the stars on daily-hourly basis from such unsteady-uneven erratic orbital motion of the Earth?

Since either you didn't understand the meaning of above words or you just pretend that you don't get it we shall now quote something more suitable to you:

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It has been known since ancient times that the motion of the Sun along the Ecliptic is not uniform. Although it moves about a degree to the East (relative to the stars) each day, its motion gradually changes during the year, being faster in December and January, and slower in June and July. The actual change from day to day is very small, and not easily noticeable with the timekeeping methods available in ancient times, but during that part of the year when the Sun moves faster than normal on one day, it moves faster than normal every day, and over a month or so, the difference adds up in a very noticeable way.
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What are we, or more to the point, what were the ancients to make of the non-uniformity of the Sun's motion? They could have supposed that it didn't move uniformly along its path around the Earth. But since the stars have uniform circular motions, it was presumed that all celestial bodies should move in some combination of such motions; so how could the Sun appear to move non-uniformly, if it was supposed to move uniformly?
Ptolemy suggested that although the Sun's orbit was a uniform circular motion around the Earth, the Earth was not at the center of the orbit, but at a point slightly off-center, called the equant, which made it look like the Sun was moving non-uniformly, because when it was on the near side of its orbit, its motion looked larger and faster than it really was, and when it was on the far side of its orbit, its motion looked smaller and slower than it really was.
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Secondly - about the annual motion of the stars:

IT is found by observation that the stars come to the meridian about four minutes earlier every twenty-four hours than the sun, taking the solar time as the standard.


Cikljamas doesn't lie, Cikljamas arguments are valid and irrefutable!


Conclusion:

The Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky IS NOT a constant!!! Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!

Annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS a constant!!! So, annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS possible to observe. (in one way or another, doesn't really matter) Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!
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Topsy turvy

OK I see what I did wrong!
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@ Ernst, you are just so desperate guy and i am not sure any more if you are aware of your desperation or not.

If you stood in the centre of the north pole let's say at July 1th and if you tried to observe motion of the Sun, what would you see ? You couldn't see (according HC theory) any circular motion of the Sun, the Sun would stand still regarding Earth's supposed rotation, but what would happen with the apparent motion of the Sun regarding Earth's orbital motion (108 000 km/h)??? Nothing? 108 000 km per hour certainly is not nothing! Even Ernst can't overlook that fact, can you?


Cikljamas doesn't lie, Cikljamas arguments are valid and irrefutable!


Conclusion:

The Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky IS NOT a constant!!! Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!

Annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS a constant!!! So, annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS possible to observe. (in one way or another, doesn't really matter) Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!
http://www.telescope.org/nuffield/pas/earth/e5-2.gif note that round earth spins like a top and circles around the sun at the same time.in July the +23.5 degree angle puts the north pole in the clear path of sunlight you idiot. If you would spend 20 bucks and an hour of your time on props maybe you wouldn't prove yourself to be a tool on every post.

Now, WHO CAN THEY MARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@ Hrothgar, why don't you just kill yourself, you would make a big favor to the world...

@ Aaron, i wonder how long are you going to tolerate this kind of trolling, spamming, roughly insulting other people, etc... before you decide to restrict access to this thread to certain kind of obviously terribly sick people?

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@ Aaron, i wonder how long are you going to tolerate this kind of trolling, spamming, roughly insulting other people, etc... before you decide to restrict access to this thread to certain kind of obviously terribly sick people?

Thanks!
While I am sure that you had the candor to ask yourself before you posted (as I often do) WWJDW "Who Would Jesus Death Wish." Unlike you I've never been able to come up with an acceptable instance to do so. I simply hope that I can inspire individuals that I encounter to expand their point of view.

That said, you violate one of the very restrictions in the same post, calling to the mediator that you want in-forced by wishing me dead ie "suggesting" that I take my own life. Going further down the rabbit hole you, in the very sentence to the mediator describe us "obviously terribly sick people"

You state "The truth will prevail!!!" and you have made it known on more than one occasion that you base your belief on biblical sources. That said, is it even appropriate that this thread is in an energy forum? Would this not be more your territory if it were in the Psychic & Paranormal or General Discussion forums? After all those forums may be more open to your style of factual substitution. In fact you might find a substantial increase of supporters in those forums as there would be no need of the standard hassles of repeatable or verifiable data or scientific process. I am sorry you couldn't be bothered to answer my simple question that once answered could help keep thousands on the path to truth.
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"suggesting" that I take my own life.
Queen - Don't Try Suicide (LYRICS/HQ) - YouTube


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thanks for caring.

Here is his motivation http://www.energeticforum.com/z/cikljamas/
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that pretty much says it all. How "kind" of you.

I didn't mean literally, of course, what i really meant was: could you please stay away from this thread at least now after you refused to answer to the very same appeal that i have been repeating to you from the very first moment you (Flat Fish) and he (Hrothgar) came here with one and only mission: to provoke and harass members of this forum who are willing to stick to the subject of this thread?

Even now, after Admin's appeal to you, you still refuse to stay away from this thread, and that pretty much says it all. How "kind" of you.

You are not just incorrigible liars, you are either very evil persons, or utterly insane guys. Whether you are evil or just insane i can't help you, so once again: Would you be so kind and stay away from this thread??? Is it so hard for you to answer this simple and honest appeal?

Since you have no arguments whatsoever, and you hate the truth, all that you can do to ease your anger is to continue to provoke and harass all those who don't agree with your false heliocentric religion.

It is obvious what drives you and what is your motivation. Just leave this thread and it's sincere participants alone, just go, and don't came back any more!

Even a poo flinging chimp would understand and willingly answer to this appeal, isn't it shame for you to be intelectually lower than a retarded flinging chimp?

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cikljamas, I must admit that I interpreted your post about Sun-Earth-stars movement in a slightly different manner. But, having said that, you are still a liar.
There may be things that you do not understand, misinterpret, or simply do not know, but I have found a couple of occasions now, where you clearly understand a fact using it in an attempt to support your cause, and denying it when it undermines your cause. That is lying, knowingly present a distorted view of reality, and that is what you are doing.

I'll explain the Sun-Earth-stars movement issue, just to support your "monument of truth".
The Earth moves around the Sun (360 deg) in 365.2524 days, and around its axis (360 deg) in 1 day; the difference being 1/365.2425. Taken on a daily basis that amounts to 24 hours / 365.2425 = 3.942586 minutes. So the apparent movement of the Sun causes a delay of 3.942586 minutes with respect to the stars (that the Earth does NOT circle around).
No magic here.
Next, according to Keppler both the Earth's angular speed and the orbital velocity are not constant over a year. Both are higher (faster) when the Earth is nearer to the Sun. Thus the 3.942586 minutes are an average of a slightly varying difference. The variation however is very small.
Again, no magic.
Any, that is correct, ANY translatory movement of the Earth affects the 'virtual' location of the stars. The yearly parallax is the most well known and causes virtual movements of the stars in the order of a few micro seconds of an arc (remember?). What you are saying is that this minute movement is not a constant (sinusoid) movement, and you are right; it obviously isn't. But how are you going to verify this velocity of a few micro seconds of an arc per half a year? You KNOW it can not be done, you are not fooling anyone.

As you are so anxious to get rid of opposing thoughts in your thread, I will go too. I should have done so earlier but for a moment I really thought you were honestly trying to find the truth. You are not. You are using this ludicrous idea mainly to get attention and if you could "convert" someone that would be a huge bonus. Look at the score: you have to talk to yourself in order to get any "support" at all.

I have added quite a bit of info to your "monument of truth" which you have not yet answered to. So have a few others, including Hrothgar, whether you like it or not.
I will give you one more for the road:
Since you are so good with timetables from airliners, check this:
1 - flight time/distance Darwin-Melbourne (4:15)
2 - flight time/distance Brisbane-Perth (5:55)
Try to match that data with your flat Earth map.

Enjoy your thread.

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Since you have no arguments whatsoever, and you hate the truth


Yes, I have no proof the Earth is a sphere and not really a flat pancake.





This is one funny thread indeed
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Formal apology

Sir, I formally apologize for my comments in post #466 I should have read the statement thoroughly. I have inserted the relevant response, Good day sir.
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@ Ernst, you are the most immoral liar and a coward that i have ever met (or heard of) in my whole life, you should candidate for the director of CIA.

Should i cry or should i laugh? Reading your last post was like watching the best moments of the "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" movie....

Too much beer doesn't do much good to you, didn't you know that when you drink so much you don't become any smarter, just drunker. How come you haven't built that kind of awareness up until now?

Let's get to the point:

Alleged rotational velocity of the Earth:

At North Pole = 0
At Oslo = 834 km/h
On the Equator = 1670 km/h

Alleged orbital velocity of the Earth = 108 000 km/h

Since the Earth (allegedly) rotates in the same direction in which she (allegedly) revolves around the Sun, greater orbital velocity means slower apparent motion of the Sun across the sky.

At North Pole we would observe great apparent motion of the Sun IN STRAIGHT LINE- EXCLUSIVELY (from RIGHT to LEFT)

At latitudes of Oslo we would witness moderate (speed) apparent (circular) motion of the Sun (from RIGHT TO LEFT) DUE TO ROTATIONAL VELOCITY. GREAT APPARENT MOTION OF THE SUN DUE TO EARTH'S ALLEGED ORBITAL MOTION WOULD BE SOMEWHAT NEUTRALIZED (OPTICAL EFFECT DUE REVOLUTION WOULD BE OVERPOWERED BY ROTATION OF THE EARTH) TO CERTAIN EXTENT WITH RESPECT TO THE OBSERVATIONAL POINT AT NORTH POLE.

On the Equator we should be able to observe TWICE faster (than at the latitudes of Oslo) apparent motion of the Sun (from RIGHT TO LEFT) DUE TO GREATER ROTATIONAL VELOCITY OF THE EARTH (then at the latitudes of Oslo).

BUT, IN ADDITION TO ABOVE DIFFERENCIES DUE TO DIFFERENT ROTATIONAL VELOCITIES (AT OSLO AND ON THE EQUATOR), WE WOULD HAVE COUNTER EFFECT AT BOTH LATITUDES DUE TO DIFFERENT (SEASONAL) ORBITAL VELOCITIES:

Due to alleged faster orbital motion of the Earth in winter (north "hemisphere") we would observe slower apparent motion of the Sun and vice versa, in summer (north "hemisphere) we would observe faster apparent motion of the Sun which would be contrary to what we can constantly observe in the sky.

At the North Pole we would observe much SLOWER apparent motion (IN STRAIGHT LINE (from right to left) EXCLUSIVELY) of the Sun (in July), and at the South Pole we would observe much FASTER apparent motion (IN STRAIGHT LINE (FROM LEFT TO RIGHT) EXCLUSIVELY) of the Sun in January!!!

BTW, IN WHAT DIRECTION YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, LET'S SAY IN AUSTRALIA IN ORDER TO SEE SUN RISING FROM THE EAST???


As for the motion of the stars:

24 (hours) * 60 (minutes) = 1440 minutes
360 (degrees) / 1440 = 0,25 (degrees)
Daily orbital motion ( speed) of the stars = 0,25 degrees per minute = 15 degrees per hour

360/365 = (0.986 degrees)
Annual orbital motion (speed) of the stars = 0.986 degrees per day

IT is found by observation that the stars come to the meridian about four minutes earlier every twenty-four hours than the sun, taking the solar time as the standard.


The Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky IS NOT a constant!!! Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!

Annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS a constant!!! So, annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS possible to observe. (in one way or another, doesn't really matter) Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!![/quote]

If the Earth could speak, what do you think she would say to you?


GET OFF ME!

So long as our Astronomers are abetted by the Government, so long I fear, they will utter their discordant notes, and flaunt their rags of false science before the gaping multitude with a pride "that might make angels weep"!!!

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thanks for caring.

Here is his motivation http://www.energeticforum.com/z/cikljamas/

Here is useful "divide and conquer" psychopath in "pee-jamas" receiving his remuneration.

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Al, where do you keep your brain, in the hydrocloric acid?

Look at me Al, look how strong and skilled i am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubQ0id2FvCo

Croatian president plays Pinokio-Heliocentric instrument just for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruYCl0cJ2wU

Our president is a great composer also, just listen one of his insane composition : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7ZuH6dQ88

Here is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oOwPNO8jY

Regarding your state of mind i am sure you are going to like them...

Al, stand still, president Clinton is speaking
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