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Lightbulb Newman Motor Finally Explained?

A few days ago I found out about this Ukrainian invention:
http://generator-motor.info/data/upl...inciple_en.pdf

What if the rotating magnet where placed inside the coil?
This might explain how Newmans motor works and why he is shorting the coil after each impulse?

Also interesting in this context is one of Tesla patents nr 390721:
Retrieving Patent from PAT2PDF.org - Free PDF copies of patents: Download and print!
(BTW, its "best available copy")

And a more recent patent nr 20030025416:
Retrieving Patent from PAT2PDF.org - Free PDF copies of patents: Download and print!

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Works great on my 3000 foot #20 gauge wire Newman coil.
Hi MAXC

How about this thread? Someone is wondering about the explanation
as well. We are looking forward to your input on the NEWMAN.

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Works great on my 3000 foot #20 gauge wire Newman coil.
It lite up both of my thoriated tungsten/ carbon spark gaps. An inch and a quarter long and 0.020 wide.
The coil backkicks 2200 volt threw a 2meg load when measured on scope.
Just wait till I start a thread on this.
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Spark Gap Experiments i'm waiting on parts.
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Spark Gap Experiments i'm waiting on parts.
Far from how joe newman said it works.
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Okay I forgot that video but I did see it before.

2 stage carbon arc transmutation of elements.

So any HV coil could use carbon arc rods.
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Newman Motored Explained world wide.



Newman's energy machine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Newman1.pdf


https://www.google.com/search?q=newm...2F%3B400%3B234


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I have seen many so-called replications on the net. But, Newman's secrets have been hidden in plain sight for some time. It is FUZZY, but this video image actually reveals (in part) how the Newman motor is actually laid out.





Shows the exploded view of the motor (top and bottom coils and magnet shaft). Note the shaft is very long, which exposes it to a higher concentration of the magnetic A field along the length of the massive coil's wires, for enormously increased torque.


Shows cross section of the shaft, consisting of a hexagonal shaped core with attached magnets, Norths facing out along the top 3 sides and Souths out along the bottom 3 sides.


Shows that Newman's real motor not only incorporates horizontal coils, but a set of vertically placed coils as well.

Happy building!

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It's things like this that confirms all of my suspicions
about free energy patents and inventions. Hardly anyone
is getting the complete story.

I have looked at and for invention to appear for 45 years
now and the only useful clear detailed device I see offered
for the last 20 years is what John Bedini has shown.

The rest of them all hide everything in plain sight. The inventors
keep saying "ITS MINE ITS MINE" for about 30-40 years
hoping to get that big money ship to ride on that never comes.

What people need to realize is that once any effect or invented
machine is first uncovered that it might take 200 years to perfect it.

Maybe 20 other people over many years. The patents are all lies.

Generally what we hear that is really real is something on a death
bed confession where the inventor is momentarily in some kind
of grief stricken crocodile tear jerker stating how he should of
this and he should of that.

The sound is still reverberating "ITS MINE ITS MINE" 150 years later.

Now back to the blurry picture

That diagram comes from where? I have seen stuff that is called
NEWMAN motors all over the YOUTUBE. Sort a reminds me of John's
window motor.

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Now back to the blurry picture

That diagram comes from where? I have seen stuff that is called
NEWMAN motors all over the YOUTUBE. Sort a reminds me of John's
window motor.

Mikey
I spotted it in the below video by Lightworks Audio & Video. Starting at time index 53:20 there is a section dedicated to Joe and his Machine. It opens by very briefly panning through this diagram. Later they show the actual machine with Joe describing the coil layout. It matches the diagram. Good stuff here!

GO TO TIME INDEX 53:20


Joe's motor is much bigger than John's window motor, to take advantage of the mass of the coil as he mentions in his book.

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Okay I forgot that video but I did see it before.

2 stage carbon arc transmutation of elements.

So any HV coil could use carbon arc rods.
Bromikey,
Does the transmutation only happen using thoriated tungsten and carbon graphite rods?? The video said OU happens with the use of the spark gap. Which is low level nuclear reaction. Isn't that what we are trying to get away from. Energy sources that pollute. Or am I over reacting??

I built the Newman motor last night(very small version) and was happy it works. But as I study more today on this device, it seems to gain more with a spark gap?? I thought the coil collapse spike recycling was enough to power this device?

I can experiment and answer these questions, but what do you think?

Another dead ending,
Will study more
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Why should a spark gap be a nuclear reaction? It doesnt need 2 materials, what react to each other.
Its more like that its like to toss a stone into water. As faster it is, as the higher the water injects.

I wrote once a mail to J. Newman and asked about some things from his Motor, and someone replied that the commutator should be critical.

I build already a few and asked myself all time again, for what this thing is good for. I had 1 time a success, that i started with dead Batteries and charged empty batteries to a certain charge.
That happened for me with about 10-15 layers, starting with about 74 1st layer, then increase each winding with 8 until 116 windings then back down to 74 again, around something like that.
Well, it was more like a fun-try, but it strangely did work, even without this complex commutator, what shorts and connects and switch the poles from the coil.
I assume, that this shorten should create a field, what then give a better spike, when you connect the coils fast enough again.
But i tried something like that too, and for me it did more slow it down then make something better.
Not sure if it would make a difference, if you make the switching electronic or mechanical. J. Newman is just no technician, and building the commutator like this was probably the easier and faster way.

I and others made some with lots wires, with less wires, but none of them really did work, so i dont think, the spark gap makes the difference, but more the arrangement of anything.
From the picture above, i was thinking about, if the magnets have to be more like a window motor, not that much in length, but more broad arranged.

Even that thread starter here seems assumed, it needs a primary winding with thick wire to drive it, and a secondary winding as first layer, what is shortened, to create that strong field.

But well, as a sidenote, a field what is created from magnets is way stronger then one what is created from wire.
So, when someone want to build a good DC-motor, he takes maybe better magnets for one side of the windings between stator/rotor.
But well, the newman motor itself is something special, because with a lot of windings, it becomes something like a self-moving motion with the eddy currents from the lots copper around it.
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Well consider this, NEWMAN was around in the 70's blowing his
horn on his motor while I was still wet behind the ears and no
one has the secret to this day.

The death bed confession days might reveal an answer unless
the family will be in jeopardy after his death. Or if NEWMAN
took an OATH of silence for $$$$, we don't know.

I completely understand the fear of slaughtered loved ones so
I am not slinging mud here. Once a thug has body slammed
you against the wall at gun point your disposition means very little.

I lived in Detroit and have been held at gun point, Jungle Knife over
trifling tiny amounts jingling in my pockets and I understand fear.

Men like NEWMAN have tried to bring their invention out little
by little for one reason or another to share it with those who
are willing to grease palms for his hard work of inventing.

Again I think this is only fair, NEWMAN like all inventors
should receive some sort of compensation for the efforts
of invention but many have stolen things like this right out
from under the nose of the guy who created it.

NEWMAN was in the news when I was playing hop scotch
and jumping rope. And I'll be 60 soon.

Now let me answer the question.

NO, not all low level nuclear reactions will pollute and completely
level our planet. This is what the nuclear cartel would have us
believe while they are dumping radioactive waste by the mega-
tonnes.

I know guys who claim low level nuclear events produce 1200
percent COP's all from an HHO water capacitor but the crude
(So to speak) developing at the bottom is so tiny that it is never
dumped out.

Cold fusion is another low level Nuclear reaction that is harmless
and clean but again our brainwashing micro-managers would have
abandon all such devices in favor of the dirty filthy radionuclide.

Sure carbon and tungsten have always been part of the average
experimenter world who search for Tesla's dream. I wouldn't look at
it as if this is all a dead end.

"The event" like in the Gray Tube or the spark gap can play a roll
in the conversion process. The problem is that we jump from one
conversion process to another without ever knowing what we are
really doing.

We are working blind. The commutator battery chargers use carbon.

The list is very long.

Keep up the good work, you will see all of these idea repeated in
many inventions. Carbon arcs and tungsten are only a few.

Next are the carbon and or metals arcing in the presence of noble
gases or a vacuum. Regardless of the "EVENT" location harvesting
extra energy is possible. Some say the event works for them under
water or in open air.

The carbon arc is quite a powerful event.

Some claim that the junction of a transistor is operating like
a sparkgap because it does create a specific event.

I would have to agree with them all.

NEWMAN probably has a Non disclosure Agreement if you are
willing to sign on the line, but then you are not finding out
anything on your own so you would be in danger of a jail
sentence if you told anyone.

These agreements are binding and keep you and others from
sharing the information and the energy cartels prevail.

If it ain't one thing it's another, just part of the "same ole" thing
decade after decade. Once you understand that people have
been so frustrated not finding the answers they go on the
inside of these agreements for life, just so they can get the
answer.

Then any of their work from that time forward that is built on
the ideas they were given are also part of the secret.

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Does the transmutation only happen using thoriated tungsten and carbon graphite rods?? The video said OU happens with the use of the spark gap. Which is low level nuclear reaction. Isn't that what we are trying to get away from. Energy sources that pollute. Or am I over reacting??

I built the Newman motor last night(very small version) and was happy it works. But as I study more today on this device, it seems to gain more with a spark gap?? I thought the coil collapse spike recycling was enough to power this device?

I can experiment and answer these questions, but what do you think?

Another dead ending,
Will study more
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Just listen to the lies pour out of Oxford University.

All of the high level University folks are confused about what
has taken place.

See it is not a thing of the past, it has not gone away, just
get in the way and you will find out too.

https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/p/park-voodoo.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_YikaYUEgY


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Happy to hear that someone is replicating the " multi-spark gap. " experiment by William Alek.

Looking at the 90 turn set up with 2 carbon arcs cop = 1038 % being so much higher than just 1 carbon arc that give cop = 100%.

His tesla like step down transformer that uses a ferrite rod is fairly efficient and reduces the VHV (very high voltage) down to a resonable level. In an earlier article from tesla tech conference 2006 he refered to these waves as successive electrum validum EV waves.
The EV's might be refering to Ken Shoulder's EV's: Ken Shoulders' Electrum Validum
Bill Alek said that these waves are collected by the low loss 10 uF capacitor.

I think the timing of charge and discharge into a battery may be tricky. The battery is not alone and the capacitor is faster than the battery.

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Multi-Spark Gap Experiments

Joe Newman good to hear he gets ackowledement for his work.
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I personally try to avoid signing a non-disclosure agreements on workable energy because
I feel that We should have food,air, water and energy without over control by monopolies.
Because the system is too far corrupt the devices must be public unencumbered projects
that can be built by everyone.

But those who engineer or manufacture new and useful products are entitled to equal footing with the patent system regardless of size and status and this requires non-disclosure. But in most cases the product is denied opportunity by corrupt use of financial, media and legal system. Since some are aloud this senario is operative then success of the small cooperative ventures has value.

If someone puts a plans out in the public domain there is usually no motive other than to share their work with those willing to build it. As you begin to gather materials to replicate it is usually a misunderstanding of the functional details that becomes a challenge possibly a costly revision. When parts are available and everything is laid out then a successful build will add support that the experiment did or did not work as claimed.

It is a good reminder not to sign a non-disclosure. Alek and Newman made some information public and if it is useable it should not
involve private intellectual property however the copy right and patent pending sometimes are parked waiting for investors who
often insist on claiming any associated property rights.
Ethical or unethical I am not aware of any evidence of mistrust.
I focus on the quest to build and share a real over unity device with the goal to conserve oil.
The world consumes 95.3 Billion barrels of oil per day.
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Thanks Mikrovolt and Bromikey,
Sorry I used the term "dead end" there.

Each time we try to understand or replicate with the intent to learn and enjoy, it seems to turn negative or all the information has not been included. I'm not having emotional feelings here. Just it seems we barely get any where until a thread dies.

I did build this device and learned from it. Sorry Joit that you seem very disappointed in this Newman device. I'm only a novice at best, but I've studied all areas of electronics, mechanical, and such to try and understand this "alternative energy" or "overunity" or God forbid, "free energy".

Now we can talk and post all day what you can't do. I want to hear and tell what we can do.

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The work of Joe Newman has not been properly validated. It has also not been proven to be wrong. The question is still open, in my opinion. I bought a copy of Joe's book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman, years ago and studied it intensely. In the book, he tells and documents the shoddy treatment he received from the science and engineering community. He did experiments and built machines that nobody else has replicated, but people have built similar machines at a smaller scale that did not live up to their expectations and just like that are convinced that Newman is a fraud.

I don't have the money to duplicate his work, but I will not jump on the bandwagon to say he is wrong. I want to see the results for myself before I reject what might actually be a wonderful technology.
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Its not like that all from the Peoples are long haired Hippies, what are into such Devices, i just think on that at "S. Marks" and his TPU, Ed Grey, Dons Smith, Stan meyers ..

For J. Newman seems it was even the opposite, that he refused to take money, for a non-disclosure contract.
I don't really know what they got suddenly such strong faith, maybe its the moment when they see what is possible, and they got a faith?
But it doesn't help them anyway to get more investors, business has nothing to do with faith and i doubt you got more chances when you are a strong believer, even the opposite, you get maybe easier cheated.

And for weed, you should maybe inform yourself better, it was once a campaign, what was started at the 1920-40 against it, and second, its not even that worse like alcohol with its adverse effects at much situations, beside it seems have some positive effects on mental sick persons. The other claims about it are, that its a starter drugs for harder drugs, but i think its anyway like, when someone is into drugs, it doesn't really matter what he takes.

But anyway, you seems did want to indicate, that its always some weirdos, what have a unusual device with unusual claims.
I don't know, what makes them weird, that they are in a public position and have to prove her claims over and over again for some nay-sayers, what mostly more then obvious refuse to believe that something works, with the only reason, that it is not in her book.
I think talking to much with such peoples what refuse to think normal, can make you some strange too.

And i don't know, what all the studied technician do, for me, i saw them already laughing at the Joule thiefs, because this guys feel all so smart and don't bother with such minor devices or simple DC-motors, even the JT ie saves energy and can help great at charging batteries, but sure, thats "nothing fancy" for them. Maybe because they know its nothing fancy for them and you cant make some money or honor with it.

Maybe also, that the guys, what look already nuts are the one, what are not trustworthy and make herself public ridicules
are less dangerous for the one what don't want to see such devices.
I just remember a story about 1 Guy what had a little box with few transformers in it what showed OU, but he never disclosed it, never showed plans from it and was not known anywhere with his real name.
So, maybe there are more peoples out what did figure out a few things, just noone see them because they are simple not known.
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The work of Joe Newman has not been properly validated. It has also not been proven to be wrong. The question is still open, in my opinion. I bought a copy of Joe's book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman, years ago and studied it intensely. In the book, he tells and documents the shoddy treatment he received from the science and engineering community. He did experiments and built machines that nobody else has replicated, but people have built similar machines at a smaller scale that did not live up to their expectations and just like that are convinced that Newman is a fraud.

I don't have the money to duplicate his work, but I will not jump on the bandwagon to say he is wrong. I want to see the results for myself before I reject what might actually be a wonderful technology.
I agree Wayne,
I too don't have the money to replicate this machine, but did through together a small 4" dia. unit with 200 winds top then bottom, using round flat microwave magnets (4), brass rod through for the rotor. Powered by 9 volt battery. It does surprise me, and I like the fact that it charges during off rotation. The commutator has three bars on it and is from old scrap drill motor.

I always build small to see if this idea is worth the trouble,
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[QUOTE=wayne.ct;276371]The work of Joe Newman has not been properly validated. It has also not been proven to be wrong. The question is still open, in my opinion. I bought a copy of Joe's book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman, years ago and studied it intensely. In the book, he tells and documents the shoddy treatment he received from the science and engineering community. He did experiments and built machines that nobody else has replicated, but people have built similar machines at a smaller scale that did not live up to their expectations and just like that are convinced that Newman is a fraud.

The protocol testing device stops the voltage spikes. Then decreases efficiency of system.
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Its not like that all from the Peoples are long haired Hippies, what are into such Devices, i just think on that at "S. Marks" and his TPU, Ed Grey, Dons Smith, Stan meyers ..

For J. Newman seems it was even the opposite,......................................... ...................real name.
So, maybe there are more peoples out what did figure out a few things, just noone see them because they are simple not known.

I understand your post very well Joit and thank you for your
viewpoint. Maybe this is safer coming from Newman? Maybe.

Yes the crack pot approach is maybe safer, like John Hutchinson
uses that crazy way of messing with peoples minds.

"I don't inhale"

It gets them off the hook. It's a roll yer own type of
experimenters dream world.

Then the FEDS leave them alone.
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I understand your post very well Joit and thank you for your
viewpoint. Maybe this is safer coming from Newman? Maybe.

Yes the crack pot approach is maybe safer, like John Hutchinson
uses that crazy way of messing with peoples minds.

It gets them off the hook. It's a roll yer own type of
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Then the FEDS leave them alone.
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protocol testing device

Hi Max,

Can you explain in more detail what you are trying to say? Are you saying J. Newman was not using a valid protocol to measure the performance of one of his machines?

Thank you.

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The work of Joe Newman has not been properly validated. It has also not been proven to be wrong. The question is still open, in my opinion. I bought a copy of Joe's book, The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman, years ago and studied it intensely. In the book, he tells and documents the shoddy treatment he received from the science and engineering community. He did experiments and built machines that nobody else has replicated, but people have built similar machines at a smaller scale that did not live up to their expectations and just like that are convinced that Newman is a fraud.

The protocol testing device stops the voltage spikes. Then decreases efficiency of system.
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Can you explain in more detail what you are trying to say? Are you saying J. Newman was not using a valid protocol to measure the performance of one of his machines?

Thank you.
Newman's energy machine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This is what was used for testing by them the power that rule the normal device used in checking efficiency. When placed across the newman moter it flattens out the voltage spikes!
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J. Newman complained about, that they grounded the device
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J. Newman complained about, that they grounded the device
https://youtu.be/pHUbRC5Pigo?t=39m15s
Joe has been pushed around long enough. Maybe a factory

in the last 40 years could have gotten some of that energy

from one of these machines. Maybe a Small business could have

seen some saving from one of Joes machines? Nothing.

Maybe in the last 40 some year someone somewhere could show

how much money they saved running one of these machines?

Nothing.

Maybe it is not cost effective. Maybe some have tried it.

You would think that a small factory would have taken Joe N

on for a few bucks to see if the machine could save money.

Nothing.

You would think that factories running $100,000 power bills

could afford several thousand to save 10X that much.

Nothing.

If Joe is really doing what he says maybe he could run something

non stop, such as a large water pump shooting the water into

the air to show farmers around the world that he has a free

never ending water fountain.

Nothing.

Joe keeps saying that people COULD pump water and that people

COULD do this this and people COULD do that with his machine

but never a working example, never.

Nothing in 40 years that shows a closed loop self runner.

Nothing.

Does any one ever think about how long 40 years is?

40 years is plenty of time to show a functioning working example

of a self running machine powering something especially with

Joe starting out in the 70's as a young Engineer so highly

intelligent. Of course Joe says all of those standing around

must not be very smart because they don't believe his carnival

sales approach is really real stuff.

Nothing from nothing = Nothing

And that is all we as the general populous has for a working self

runner.

Zero.
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Old 06-07-2015, 09:38 PM
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WOW WOW WOW

I am so glad to see you are finally starting to wise up and not believe everything you see on YouTube or hear about from this source or that source. I actually have an original Joseph Newman Energy Machine book from back in the 1980's. I was very intrigued by what he wrote. But then I saw an article where he was actually driving a car powered by one of his motors and some 9 volt batteries. I am sure you are thinking the same thing I thought. He can run a car on 9 volt batteries! That is amazing! Then I found out he was using a couple of thousand of them connected in series and parallel to give him a couple of thousand volts at a few amps. He was just trading volts for amps. Nothing magical or OU about that at all. I was very disappointed in him.

Now maybe you can understand why those of us that have been at this a while are not so quick to jump on the bandwagon for every guy that comes on YouTube or this forum claiming he's "GOT IT" and then doesn't show any real proof he has anything.

I most definitely believe OU is possible. But I am very skeptical of those making wild claims when they show nothing to back those claims up. And since I have been at this a while I have seen a lot of the same old stuff shown over and over again that still doesn't work.

Respectfully,
Carroll
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:09 PM
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First, Thanks to Max for explaining his comment. Yes, your comment is appropriate.

Second, I see Carroll and I have a lot in common. We apparently have the same Newman book!

Third, Newman is a showman and not the engineer he would like to be.

Tough for you, Joe.
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