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Old 08-31-2017, 09:08 PM
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GAP commutator.

The DC fan, latching Reed switch commutator I just finished designing could run any of Joe's motors. It's much easier to relocate the trigger magnets on the tube then it would be to tailor a copper strip. Every individual Newman motor is unique and needs it's own personalized commutator timing arrangement.
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Vidbid,
Still working on commutator. I picked up good tip from email friend on replication methods. To build parts so that changes can be made if possible. So my disc commutator can be changed to add shorting segments. The bad thing is I'll never get that Newman effect with this desktop size unit. So any tests results may not be helpful to anyone here.

Hope to finish today with that part and move on to wiring the coil to complete the setup.

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Split positive

Here's a split positive test:

Newman's "Short" contact on his commutator feeds his source batteries the same way you see me charging batteries below: Aaron states that "It's the voltage differential between the positives", not the power to ground that completes this self charging circuit".

My reverse charging effect neutralization pulse alternator works the same way. One contact short back to to source.

Here's a link to the video: Just fast forward through the dead space:

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Test will tell

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Happy Labor Day to everyone.

It will be that for myself. Very laborious to get this "desk top" size Newman Machine to a testing stage.

Finished the commutator disc and now mounting on platform next to coil. It looks very "steam punkish" with the copper and white cutting board plastic. I built one barrel shaped and disc shaped so could see which is easier to build, use, and maintain. No not a production engineer, but think it wise to try both.

Not sure yet the wiring/connecting of coil to get motoring and generator production without adding generator coils. Harvesting the "shorted" spikes may not help with this size coil. The coil is 18 strands in parallel. I will test different wiring schemes to see what the "test will tell".

Hey look a delightful cup of coffee in front of me needing a warm up and sipping cause it's cool outside.

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Edit: The barrel commutator will be used with two coil scheme, while the disc comm will be used with single coil scheme. As per the Geoffrey Miller pdf. The flyback controlled by capacitors.
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Superposition; Two Loop Problem:

http://www.energeticforum.com/redire...%2Fsuppos.html

The power that travels back to the battery from my oscillator is summed algebraically; Therefore, we subtract the source power from the power that's generated in the electro-magnet from the regauging, and the remainder is the charge that replenishes the battery. No power ever reaches the coil from the battery after the first pulse. The second pulse is generated by the magnet coil itself, and the excess passed back to source.

The same relationship applies to the "Newman Motor" commutator short.

The Neutralization Pulse Oscillator is a "Newman Motor" short circuit hybrid. I have reached infinity with that simple a design! The Reverse Charging Effect video is posted above in comment #393.
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Assembly

The assembly has gone ok. And did get to try a basic machine run.

The multi-strand coil wrap is hard to clean, connect and measure but can be done.

I only used 5 strands of wire to try a machine run. The disc works good. I used brass strips from Lowes as comm brushes. Some small sparks but believe more 9 volt batteries is needed. Don't own a variac so can't use ac then FWBR to dc power source. Like vidbid stated, want to be a purist and use battery power just as Newman did. Back to Lowes for more batts.

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The assembly has gone ok. And did get to try a basic machine run.

The multi-strand coil wrap is hard to clean, connect and measure but can be done.

I only used 5 strands of wire to try a machine run. The disc works good. I used brass strips from Lowes as comm brushes. Some small sparks but believe more 9 volt batteries is needed. Don't own a variac so can't use ac then FWBR to dc power source. Like vidbid stated, want to be a purist and use battery power just as Newman did. Back to Lowes for more batts.

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@wantomake,

Remember, Newman's batteries were deader than door nails. The voltage on my 12 volt was down to 8.52 when I performed my oscillator test.

The commutator short "Superposition" charging can't happen if the battery source is higher in power then the output from the coil.
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Remember, Newman's batteries were deader than door nails. The voltage on my 12 volt was down to 8.52 when I performed my oscillator test.

The commutator short "Superposition" charging can't happen if the battery source is higher in power then the output from the coil.
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Sorry I'm not familiar with "superposition" charging. Also I'm not using a "short" on my comms yet. As I've posted, this is only a basic machine build to help me to better understand the design and operation of this machine. I'm replicating solely from Geoffrey Miller presentation pdf.

As my knowledge base is low in electronics, electrical, and FE. I can build and still gain understanding in all the above. What I'd give for an engineering background. Like Popeye said, I yam what I yam.

Thanks anyway, I'll try to keep up,
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Sorry I'm not familiar with "superposition" charging. Also I'm not using a "short" on my comms yet. As I've posted, this is only a basic machine build to help me to better understand the design and operation of this machine. I'm replicating solely from Geoffrey Miller presentation pdf.

As my knowledge base is low in electronics, electrical, and FE. I can build and still gain understanding in all the above. What I'd give for an engineering background. Like Popeye said, I yam what I yam.

Thanks anyway, I'll try to keep up,
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Superposition merely means higher charge level; Current always travels downhill from the higher charge source to the lower charge destination.
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How is your build going? I know your commutator is including the "shorting" segment. Any results would be good to read.

Mine aren't encouraging so far. I wound my coil as two separate coils. Top and bottom of the pvc 4" union piece. I wanted to use one coil as motor and the other as generator. But no motoring yet. Using 17 9 volt batteries in series to power the machine. The timing is set. Good contacts on commutator. Only thing can figure is the coil needs to be re-wound.

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How is your build going? I know your commutator is including the "shorting" segment. Any results would be good to read.

Mine aren't encouraging so far. I wound my coil as two separate coils. Top and bottom of the pvc 4" union piece. I wanted to use one coil as motor and the other as generator. But no motoring yet. Using 17 9 volt batteries in series to power the machine. The timing is set. Good contacts on commutator. Only thing can figure is the coil needs to be re-wound.

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Hi wantomake,

Not too much to report.

I think that I'm going to use a flat copper disk as the commutator.

For example: 3" Dia x 1" Thick Copper Round Disk Disc Rod Bar Stock 99.9% Cu

3" Dia x 1" Thick Copper Round Disk Disc Rod Bar Stock 99.9% Cu | eBay

I could center-tap it. Then, slot out the places for the contacts with epoxy holding the contacts and also providing the non-conductive material for the spaces.

I'm still working on my design.

Coils will be provided by microwave oven transformer high voltage coils.

Not sure as to what to make the armature shaft out of. I was thinking fiberglass for its nonmagnetic properties; however, Newman said to use steel hex bar.



For the slip rings, I'm still considering my options. Maybe I can find some off an old motor.



For the magnets, maybe center-hole type Neodymium magnets could be attached to a hex bar shaft.



Anyhow, that's where I'm at.
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The book is a good starting place, no doubt.

I think a good finishing place is building a Newman motor based on Big Eureka, specifically, the Big Eureka commutator.

There's only two rotating contacts, though, they are segmented. I think that there are about four segments per contact, but then there is the copper shorting band (so-termed by me,) and I see not mention of that in his book, and that would be because it came later, I believe.

So, there's my two cents on it.

vidbid,
You may want to review the presentation of Geoffrey.

Geoffrey states clearly that only 12-3 and 6-9 o'clock are interconnected with the small commutator rings, And that's all, he said. So, you may be right about the Big Eureka not having an internal commutator, but if Geoffrey is right (and I'll assume he is) then you need to adjust your drawing.
The two pairs of copper segments were connected through the bridges you draw, but not all four. Something like this: A1-A2 and B1-B2.

The voltage applied by the batteries when the rotor is in one of the FIRE segments will generate a big electromagnetic field which interacts with the magnetic field of the magnets on the rotor and create a torque, hence it starts turning.

So, we would have four FIRE segments and four BLANK segments.
The absence of SHORT segments is because Newman used capacitors that were helpful in suppressing the sparks. No need for complicated commutator design anymore. The capacitors are charged when the coil discharges its stored energy during the BLANK segments. Actually, the coil with the capacitors and the inductive reactance (or resistance when the rotor is not turning) represent a simple RLC circuit.

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You may want to review the presentation of Geoffrey.

Geoffrey states clearly that only 12-3 and 6-9 o'clock are interconnected with the small commutator rings, And that's all, he said. So, you may be right about the Big Eureka not having an internal commutator, but if Geoffrey is right (and I'll assume he is) then you need to adjust your drawing.
The two pairs of copper segments were connected through the bridges you draw, but not all four. Something like this: A1-A2 and B1-B2.

The voltage applied by the batteries when the rotor is in one of the FIRE segments will generate a big electromagnetic field which interacts with the magnetic field of the magnets on the rotor and create a torque, hence it starts turning.

So, we would have four FIRE segments and four BLANK segments.
The absence of SHORT segments is because Newman used capacitors that were helpful in suppressing the sparks. No need for complicated commutator design anymore. The capacitors are charged when the coil discharges its stored energy during the BLANK segments. Actually, the coil with the capacitors and the inductive reactance (or resistance when the rotor is not turning) represent a simple RLC circuit.

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I shall give your statements consideration.
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Vidbid,
Thanks for reply.

So you're planning the long motor build. That's were I got the idea to use two coil setup on top and bottom. Also from the videos posted here. That guy was using one MOT coil on the bottom of his unit. I see you must follow the established setups for this machine. The round "upright" machine must be built certain way different from the long or horizontal machine.

Anyway just thinking while typing,
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Maybe an alternative choice for the copper if you want rings inside of rings is to use flat copper gaskets of different sizes. They can be mounted on a rotor on one end of the machine, and because they come in so many different sizes, you can have rings within rings within rings. I have used them many times with brushes, and they work extremely well. If you are sure you want simply a copper disk, there may be alternatives for that too...

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Thanks for reply.

So you're planning the long motor build. That's were I got the idea to use two coil setup on top and bottom. Also from the videos posted here. That guy was using one MOT coil on the bottom of his unit. I see you must follow the established setups for this machine. The round "upright" machine must be built certain way different from the long or horizontal machine.

Anyway just thinking while typing,
wantomake


Correct. My design is base on Newman's Big Eureka, only mine will be a desktop model. Initially, the HV-MOT will be lower and then an additional HV-MOT for upper level later.

I thought about using an old monitor fly-back yoke HV transformer to produce the HVDC, but I'm not certain if there will be enough current to do that. We'll see.
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Correct. My design is base on Newman's Big Eureka, only mine will be a desktop model. Initially, the HV-MOT will be lower and then an additional HV-MOT for upper level later.

I thought about using an old monitor fly-back yoke HV transformer to produce the HVDC, but I'm not certain if there will be enough current to do that. We'll see.
Vidbid,
Good picture with diagram. Hope all goes well as you build.

I will be making adjustments to get better results. The first machine I replicated long ago ran with just a single reed switch. One 9 volt battery. The coil was single wire winding of 38 awg from a MOT primary coil.

It was a very crude build but very interesting as well,
Back to coffee and thinking.
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for those that have interest in reading more about Joseph Newman, here are two additional links:

1. RexResearch page Newman
Joseph W. Newman: South African Patent Application #831296, "Energy Generation System Having Higher Energy Output Than Input"

2. Patrick J. Kelly eBook edition 2017 Chapter 11, Joseph Newman's Motor.
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PJKbook.pdf

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All,

I was just reading a document that Patrick Kelly has on his website:
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/DonKelly.pdf

In this document on page 49, the following is written:
"The project work in this area, to date, has already found that off-the-shelf -tinned-copper buss conductor wire produces approximately
three times the magnetic field level compared to plain copper conductor wire." [emphasis added]

The above would mean that, if true, instead of having to create a coil with N windings, we could achieve the same results using the mentioned type of wire but N/3 windings.
Or, when having such a coil with N windings, we'd be able to increase the magnetic field by a factor three. (!)

The same occurs to me with the magnets used by Newman. The first models used circular ceramic magnets, but the he changed to the long models with the hexagonal placed magnets along the ax which were neodymium type magnets.

Then, thinking ahead of my redesign, the commutator was used to obtain two requirements:
1. each half revolution the input voltage over the coil should flip polarity to keep the push or pull on the magnet such that it would keep rotating;
2. create an amount of DC pulsed inputs to the coil by the FIRE segment.
The SHORT segment was eliminated by the use of the capacitors over the coil which suppressed the Back EMF.
So, it is obvious this commutator could be improved on too.
Sharp high voltage and supershort DC pulses should improve the alignment of copper atoms in the main coil.

Also, the energy that goes from the coil into the capacitor when the magnetic field collapses could be used to be fed back to the input source using Bedini SG circuitry. Or, when using two battery sources, one would be the input battery and the other would be recharged, and after a while these two batteries could be swapped so that the system becomes a self-running device.

Interesting facts and thoughts I think, while progressing.

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What if the rotating magnet where placed inside the coil?
This might explain how Newmans motor works and why he is shorting the coil after each impulse?

Also interesting in this context is one of Tesla patents nr 390721:
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Eighth edition, full text...
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Simulation of Joseph Newman in LTSpice

Lowering the capacitor's value helps to more fully suppress the spikes of amps drained from the battery pack. But it also makes it increasingly difficult for the simulator to process an increase of data points to trace.

Lowering the inductance on L2 (representing the permanent magnet) helps increase voltage on the coil, L1, but at the expense of draining more amps from V3. I guess this implies a smaller magnet of super duper strength?

I go with Dr. Hastings' analysis of Newman's 145 lb. coil with 14 lb. magnet described in chapter six of Newman's book. I've managed to simulate some of that data...

16k H and 50K Ohms on the coil. 45 & 1/3 duty cycles per second. I rounded upwards to 50. 304 volts in. I rounded downwards to 300. 667 volts on the coil. I achieved 660. 1.2mA in. I achieved a baseline of 45-50 amps drained from the battery pack, at V1, spiking at 600mA twice per duty cycle at the start and end of each self-short on the coil. Newman's device had an average of 50 mA spikes on the coil. Mine has 21 mA non-spiking curved waves.

The following are the two ASC files, saved from LTSpice XVII...

The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman

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Newman Motor is Powered by its Rotating Magnet, not by Batteries!

The batteries power the circuit. They do not provide the over-voltage for the coil. That's provided by the spinning magnet.

But the coil has to be charged up with voltage in order to acquire the magnet's energy. And the coil has to be massive so as to be able to hold a very large charge of voltage.

The coil does not provide any power. It simply acquires it from the magnet.

The capacitor, if there is one placed in parallel with the coil, helps suppress spikes. Spikes drain the battery pack without providing any gain in the coil. So, if the capacitor is sufficiently large enough, then the spikes disappear.

With this approach, negative current manifests in the batteries, and both the current and the voltage in the coil is greater than what the batteries can supply it, because the spinning magnet is providing a very large AC influence that the coil responds to by acquiring it and transferring it to the batteries. The current, thus produced, neutralizes the current coming out of the batteries so that they can become recharged. And the coil retains a huge charge of voltage to engage the spinning magnet with enough feedback that the magnet is able to accelerate its rotation and thus give even more energy to the coil until the coil can't assimilate any more and finds its plateau of spin rate.

From this assessment, it's possible to disprove any claims of overunity.

On the other hand, it's impossible to ignore the massive importance of a spinning magnet.

As Paul Babcock has said on numerous occasions: "Magnets have energy."

Pray for Newman - Discussion on the talk page of Wikipedia for the article entitled: Decoupling capacitor.

Chapter Six of Newman's Book plus additional material.

ASC file for simulating Newman's Motor in LTSpice.

My discussion of this simulation on YouTube.
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Lowering the capacitor's value helps to more fully suppress the spikes of amps drained from the battery pack. But it also makes it increasingly difficult for the simulator to process an increase of data points to trace.

Lowering the inductance on L2 (representing the permanent magnet) helps increase voltage on the coil, L1, but at the expense of draining more amps from V3. I guess this implies a smaller magnet of super duper strength?

I go with Dr. Hastings' analysis of Newman's 145 lb. coil with 14 lb. magnet described in chapter six of Newman's book. I've managed to simulate some of that data...

16k H and 50K Ohms on the coil. 45 & 1/3 duty cycles per second. I rounded upwards to 50. 304 volts in. I rounded downwards to 300. 667 volts on the coil. I achieved 660. 1.2mA in. I achieved a baseline of 45-50 amps drained from the battery pack, at V1, spiking at 600mA twice per duty cycle at the start and end of each self-short on the coil. Newman's device had an average of 50 mA spikes on the coil. Mine has 21 mA non-spiking curved waves.

The following are the two ASC files, saved from LTSpice XVII...

The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman

The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman, v2
@Vinyasi :

Very good post. Thanks for the videos. Very good content.

Newman = one of a kind

I also like your video on the Tesla Special Generator, Viz. a vintage watt-hour meter's use as a dipole.

I appreciate your conversational style of videos, and the insights offered are very eye-opening.

Allow me to return the favor: https://www.youtube.com/user/freeanergy
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The batteries power the circuit. They do not provide the over-voltage for the coil. That's provided by the spinning magnet.

But the coil has to be charged up with voltage in order to acquire the magnet's energy. And the coil has to be massive so as to be able to hold a very large charge of voltage.

The coil does not provide any power. It simply acquires it from the magnet.

The capacitor, if there is one placed in parallel with the coil, helps suppress spikes. Spikes drain the battery pack without providing any gain in the coil. So, if the capacitor is sufficiently large enough, then the spikes disappear.

With this approach, negative current manifests in the batteries, and both the current and the voltage in the coil is greater than what the batteries can supply it, because the spinning magnet is providing a very large AC influence that the coil responds to by acquiring it and transferring it to the batteries. The current, thus produced, neutralizes the current coming out of the batteries so that they can become recharged. And the coil retains a huge charge of voltage to engage the spinning magnet with enough feedback that the magnet is able to accelerate its rotation and thus give even more energy to the coil until the coil can't assimilate any more and finds its plateau of spin rate.

From this assessment, it's possible to disprove any claims of overunity.

On the other hand, it's impossible to ignore the massive importance of a spinning magnet.

As Paul Babcock has said on numerous occasions: "Magnets have energy."

Pray for Newman - Discussion on the talk page of Wikipedia for the article entitled: Decoupling capacitor.

Chapter Six of Newman's Book plus additional material.

ASC file for simulating Newman's Motor in LTSpice.

My discussion of this simulation on YouTube.
This was a flawed simulation which is evident in the zero input of V(in).

The following attachment and videos are corrected and enhanced with a higher RPM and the addition of a neon bulb making possible the reduction of the simulated magnet's input voltage to a wee 255 micro volts using a mere 700 pico henries to transfer its spin energy to the coil. The total input from the spinning magnet is a mere 8 watts to succeed at negating the amperage on the battery pack.

Despite this latest simulation requires a tightly coupled spinning magnetic field and the coil, it may be possible to build this using the design exhibited in the attachment below along with the latest videos.

LTSpice file ...
https://archive.org/download/TheEner...thNeonBulb.asc

Hosted at ...
https://archive.org/details/TheEnerg...wmanChapterSix

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File Type: jpg coil form.jpg (35.2 KB, 13 views)
File Type: jpg The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman, v11 - tightly coupled with neon bulb.jpg (641.3 KB, 10 views)
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Recharging the Batteries with Sufficient Negative Voltage & Minimum Negative Current

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This was a flawed simulation which is evident in the zero input of V(in).

The following attachment and videos are corrected and enhanced with a higher RPM and the addition of a neon bulb making possible the reduction of the simulated magnet's input voltage to a wee 255 micro volts using a mere 700 pico henries to transfer its spin energy to the coil. The total input from the spinning magnet is a mere 8 watts to succeed at negating the amperage on the battery pack.

Despite this latest simulation requires a tightly coupled spinning magnetic field and the coil, it may be possible to build this using the design exhibited in the attachment below along with the latest videos.

LTSpice file ...
https://archive.org/download/TheEner...thNeonBulb.asc

Hosted at ...
https://archive.org/details/TheEnerg...wmanChapterSix

Search for my videos on this simulation
Discussing this topic at the Straight Dope forum inspired me to alter this simulation to have more negative voltage on the coil so as to facilitate recharging of the batteries. I have to stop focusing on producing a mere negative current on the batteries if I want them to charge. So, I upped the magnitude of voltage to the absolute value of the batteries plus ten percent times negative one.

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Doing the RMS thing....

I don't fully understand RMS versus averaging of voltage and amperage across an electrical component. So, I did the best I could in this latest variation of my attempt to simulate Joseph Newman's energy machine in LTSpice...

http://is.gd/newman15jpg
http://is.gd/newman15asc

And here's a short video on it...
https://youtu.be/qWjcHXuBpxs
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Don't kill the dipole of amps vs volts

Here's a new twist to that famous quote of Tom Bearden...

What if a perpetual motion machine requires that we separate high amps paired with low volts on one side of a circuit - whose division is maintained by an isolation transformer or its equivalent - while on the other side of this divider is the opposite condition: low amps paired with high volts?

This is what Joseph Newman has managed to do: he puts high volts in the battery pack and reduces the amps down to a very low negative value, while also demonstrating high current with low voltage in the rotating magnetic field of his spinning permanent magnet.

The massive copper coil is not the source of energy for his device. It makes isolation, described above, possible.

This is what analysis of my simulations of Newman's device shows me: +60 kilo amps RMS at the rotating magnetic field versus +300 DC volts at the battery pack. Additionally, the battery pack exhibits a little over one milli amp of negative current. The spinning magnetic field requires a mere +255 micro volts injected into the coil to sustain this condition (although only -180 micro volts RMS manages to exit that energy source despite its input of +255 uV). That's a dipole of sorts. Not what has been repeated around for several years, now, as coming from the lips of Tom Bearden (I don't know; maybe he, or someone else, has said this already?).

BTW, I do RMS a little differently then the norm. I take the sign value of the average and attach that to the absolute valued RMS.

And then when I tried to kill this dipole by shorting it out, you know what happens? I get a huge positive (not negative) draw of amps at the battery pack equal to the amps in the spinning magnetic field of the rotating bar magnet/s. Such a condition would surely kill off the amp-hours of that puny string of nine volt batteries in a heart beat. That's why there is the need for isolating the two halves of his circuit from each other: to maintain their distinct differences so as to perpetuate the functionality of his device.

http://is.gd/newman15jpg
http://is.gd/newman15asc

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I eliminated the self-shorting of the coil during the last 20% of each duty cycle due to it isn't needed anymore now that I have a capacitor in parallel with the coil/s and a neon bulb alongside of the capacitor. Taking away the self-short actually produces a mild gain! And besides, the only purpose for that self-short was to reduce arcing at the commutator. That has already been accomplished by Newman's suggestion, posted in later editions of his book, to use a parallel capacitor for this very purpose. I think the neon helps the capacitor do its job so efficiently, that the self-short gets in the way of optimization.
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Sorry, I'm not on track with this topic but my intuition tells me that Newman machine is just a bigger version of Richard Willis first prototype (or rather Richard Willis incidentally constructed his first prototype in fashion similar to Newman machine). Try to find photos and compare, you will have very big help for successfully building Newman generator.
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New Video by vinyasi: "Newman Motor Doesn't Kill the Dipole" Part 1

Thanks, vinyasi.

New video: "Joseph Newman's Motor Doesn't Kill the Dipole of Current vs Voltage. It Maintains it in Perpetuity."

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Joseph Newman's Motor Doesn't Kill the Dipole of Current vs Voltage. It Maintains it in Perpetuity. - YouTube

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the reason why the Newman motor the
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Joseph Newman energy machine is a
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perpetual motion machine is not because
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it routes energy output energy back into
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itself that's one way to define
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perpetual motion but there's another way
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and that is the maintenance of an
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everlasting dipole some people are aware
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of this even some of the naysayers you
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know who don't like the direction that
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certain people like to take electrical
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engineering in you know claiming
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machines that are perpetual motion or
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something along that line but they do
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recognize the dipole and the the need to
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maintain the dipole or not kill the
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dipole well what does Tom Bearden say
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about killing the dipole we have to not
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send current back to the source and John
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Bedini he would say Yeah right
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I do fancy switching well I insert the
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word fancy he didn't use that word I do
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switching to prevent the return of
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current to the source I instead send it
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somewhere else
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intelligent switching so but I've got
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another definition of my own by studying
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mice ltspice simulations of my attempt
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to approximate joseph Newman's inner
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energy machine and that is this the
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magnet and the rest of the circuit the
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spinning magnetic field and the rest of
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the circuit are two separate circuits
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that are isolated from each other you
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know just like an isolation transformer
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stands in between two circuits there is
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a reason for that well sometimes it
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comes in handy it does a a good thing
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and in this case what ends up happening
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is that you get a preponderance of
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amperage accumulating at the spinning
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magnetic field and a preponderance of
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voltage at the battery pack which
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already you know Newman uses a high
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level of voltage - any amperage to speak
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of you know a little 9 volt
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batteries strung in a series to create
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300 volts you know but very little amp
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hours you would expect that kind of
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arrangement to become depleted very
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rapidly you know in a matter of minutes
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but they don't because he's supplying
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amperage from the spinning magnetic
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field and so here we have a dipole but
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not the kind of dipole that we would
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normally think or be told is in other
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words pause the voltage at one terminal
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at one pole and negative at the other
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now here we have well we have something
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similar but it's more sophisticated in
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its understanding because when you have
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amperage at one side and volts at the
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other don't you have you know one
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polarity of volts at that other end
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versus the amperage side in a sense you
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do but not exactly it's a little
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different and it's actually very elegant
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but what Joseph Newman has done by
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putting amperes at one end embodied
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within this rotating magnetic field and
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putting volts at the other embodied
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within the string of 9-volt batteries
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he's literally created a dipole and
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because he's isolated the two and
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maintain their isolation he literally
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has a perpetual motion machine machine
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not because he routes energy back into
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the source from the output but because
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he maintains a dipolar not because the
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dipole are the two extreme polarities of
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voltage but the extreme polarity of
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voltage versus amperage this is uncanny
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I've never heard anybody talk about
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maintaining the dipole or don't kill the
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dipole in this respect this is like way
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out of the norm yet my simulation points
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this out that's one of the salient
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features of my simulation is that we've
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got my latest simulation is GT forward
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slash Newman numeral 15 jpg as a JPEG
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you know file or
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a FC the LTC for the ltspice programming
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the software file the text file that
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will bring up the circuit you know
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Newman 15 JPEG or Newman 15 ask ASC is
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dgg IIST a GD /y for that
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those are bring up the two files that I
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have over at my archive.org posting of
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chapters six of Newman's book along with
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a few other pages from the eighth
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edition that have to do with some hints
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on building your own Newman motor I mean
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Newman have figured out well he's not
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gonna Pat my stuff the thing so he might
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as well tell people how to build it
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which Geoffrey Miller over it energy bat
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calm energy be a t-dot-com has done over
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in Philadelphia Pennsylvania anyway for
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quite a number of decades so the
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simulation points out a very unique
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dipole now why I say this you know I've
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noticed this before the amperage is up
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in the Killa amp range you know around
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five killer amps I believe and the
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voltage of course is well 300 volts from
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the battery pack so I say this because I
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was attempting to make modifications
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further improvements you know adding the
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neon bulb was good putting in the
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capacitor is good tweaking the values of
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all the components such as reducing the
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inductance on the spinning magnetic
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field is good right I tried to go
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further I tried to short out the two
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dipoles because I figured well if I
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blend them and then you know tie them
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together and make them that one lead and
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then ground is the other and put a load
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in between or actually no put a
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capacitor in between and then connect a
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load in parallel to the capacitor maybe
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something will happen and something did
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happen I drained the battery pack at the
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rate of five killa amps in other words I
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United the two dipoles and of course
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that's not over unity that just means
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I'm during
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the battery pack a whole lot faster than
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before because before it was one and a
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half million drainage on the battery
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pack and negative no less but in this
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case who was five kill amps positive
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because that's what the killer killer
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amps are at this spinning magnetic field
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it's positive it's not negative so I
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wasn't doing myself any good and but I
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did manage to point out to myself what I
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was already beginning to suspect that
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Newman has invented a new definition of
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the dipole and a new definition or a new
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protocol and how to go about maintaining
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that dipole and it's just uncanny he's
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the more I study Newman you know here's
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this country bumpkin
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you know simple-minded guy who never
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made made it beyond you know a grade
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school education or something but he's
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got street smarts he knows how to make a
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living you know inventing things
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unfortunately it was politically not
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correct to come forward with this
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invention of his it's really a teaching
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tool well at the moment that's all it is
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certainly doesn't have any marketability
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since and nobody wants to market it
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because it's against you know public
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policy to market anything like this but
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it does teach and it teaches very well
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in a very simple way yet these are basic
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fundamental principles that are not
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easily taught unless they are taught
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within the vehicle of a simple ideas
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such as newman's energy machine is no
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other way to learn it I mean I'm not an
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electrical engineer and even still if I
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were I wouldn't be open minded anyway so
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either way it doesn't matter whether
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you're a protagonist or an antagonist
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either way it's going to be difficult to
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learn this stuff because it's not part
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of our social matrix of thinking it's
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not there in our culture and that's well
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yeah because there was so much
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incredible resistance against Newman
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popularizing his machine because it does
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give a mechanical advantage you know
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it's not what I was trying to do was to
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see if I could convert the thing into an
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electrical generator and I
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there's no way to do it because you have
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to isolate the amps from the vaults and
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by doing that it's worthless as an
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electrical generator but it is not
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worthless as a mechanical generator of
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torque it's superb at creating torque
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mechanical torque now I was reading on
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ltspice models of motors and what I
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suspected you know was shared by the
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person who was you know the various
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articles talking about modeling and
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ltspice a motor because ltspice doesn't
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allow you to model it but you can do the
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equivalent and this guy did come up with
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an equivalent model and he was saying
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that voltage is equivalent to torque and
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current is equivalent to speed and that
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doesn't surprise me I learned that's it
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that was in a spiritual textbook that I
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read several decades ago the torque
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versus speed are inversely related to
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each other and then it's easy to see oh
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yeah well voltage is pressure that must
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be torque and you know it's just a
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little thinking doesn't take much you
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know to figure out the equivalence well
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this guy modeling ltspice motors
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electric motors was saying the same
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thing so when you look at Newman's
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energy machine we see torque on the one
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side that's one diet guide pole and
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speed on the other but we don't make use
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of the speed because that's the magnetic
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flux of the spinning magnetic field what
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we make use of is of it is its influence
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it's indirectly influence across a
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magnetic boundary or gap between itself
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and the mass of copper coil that Newman
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keeps boasting is the sole source of all
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the energy in his machine which is not
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true it's a pickup coil it's functioning
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as a magnetic pickup coil just like you
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would have a magnetic pickup device on
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an acoustic guitar you know playing on
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stage and you send a signal to the
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amplifier to amplify that signal but
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it's you've got a pickup coil on the
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instrument in question or you may have
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it on the strings themselves picking up
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the vibration of the strings and turning
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them into magnetic signals in any case
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that's what his massive coil is doing

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