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#301
07-22-2017, 05:59 AM
 kmarinas86 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 11
Are we there yet?

I'm starting to think that the Joseph Newman Machine works similar to the Windcatcher product:

However, instead of entraining the air into a bag through a valve like the Windcatcher, the Joseph Newman Machine entrains surrounding electrons with a combination of flyback-emf and the distributed capacitance of the coil, with the switching mechanism acting as a sort of valve. Instead of excess air under pressure like the Windcatcher, there would be an increased number of electrons in the coil.

Going further: The flow of electrons into the coil would generate an excessive back-emf simply through the magnetic Lorentz force acting upon it as it moves through the coil's magnetic field, explaining the origin of enhanced flyback energy. When the electrons inevitably leave the coil, they would do so when the magnetic field is weaker, or perhaps even after the magnetic field has reversed, which would only enhance the back-emf.

If this is true, the Maxwell stress tensor would require that angular momentum be radiated to environment through the electromagnetic field. I will now argue that a circulating Poynting vector is indeed produced by the above described process, one which may in principle possess the necessary angular momentum, which is emitted.

First, take the field of an oscillating electric quadrupole, which implies an oscillating charge density due to converging/diverging currents:

Second, take the field of an oscillating magnetic dipole, which implies an oscillating circulating current.

physicspages.com/2015/01/21/fields-of-an-oscillating-magnetic-dipole/

Third, let's line both up and place them at the same center.

So the magnetic field of the oscillating electric quadrupole is azimuthal, as is the transformer electric field of the oscillating magnetic dipole. Therefore, these components are parallel to each other, so you can ignore their the cross-interaction, or rather, lack thereof.

We then only consider the electric field of the oscillating electric quadrupole:

Code:
\displaystyle \mathbf{E} \displaystyle  = -\frac{\mu_{0}d\omega^{2}p_{0}}{4\pi r^{2}}c_{\theta}^{2}c_{\omega}\hat{\mathbf{r}}+\frac{\mu_{0}p_{0}d\omega^{2}}{\pi}c_{\theta}s_{\theta}\left(\frac{\omega s_{\omega}}{4cr}-\frac{c_{\omega}}{2r^{2}}\right)\hat{\boldsymbol{\theta}}
...and the magnetic field of the oscillating magnetic dipole:

Code:
\displaystyle \mathbf{B} \displaystyle = \displaystyle  \nabla\times\mathbf{A} = \frac{\mu_{0}m_{0}\cos\theta}{2\pi r^{2}}\left[\frac{1}{r}\cos\left[\omega\left(t-r/c\right)\right]-\frac{\omega}{c}\sin\left[\omega\left(t-r/c\right)\right]\right]\hat{\mathbf{r}}+ \frac{\mu_{0}m_{0}\sin\theta}{4\pi r}\left[\left(\frac{1}{r^{2}}-\frac{\omega^{2}}{c^{2}}\right)\cos\left[\omega\left(t-r/c\right)\right]-\frac{\omega}{rc}\sin\left[\omega\left(t-r/c\right)\right]\right]\hat{\boldsymbol{\theta}}
Our objective is to get a circulating, or transverse, Poynting vector that drops with the inverse cube of the distance. The result is angular momentum flux that implies a torque exerted on the dynamic charge-current distributions responsible for said fields. This angular momentum "radiates" outward by following the inverse square law (proportional to 1/r^2) because here you perform the cross product of the the circulating Poynting vector (proportional to 1/r^3) and the radial vector from center of the source (proportional to r). We can simplify the formulas thusly:

Code:
\displaystyle \mathbf{E}_{simp} \displaystyle  = -\frac{\mu_{0}d\omega^{2}p_{0}}{4\pi r^{2}}c_{\theta}^{2}c_{\omega}\hat{\mathbf{r}}+\frac{\mu_{0}p_{0}d\omega^{2}}{\pi}c_{\theta}s_{\theta}\left(\frac{\omega s_{\omega}}{4cr}\right)\hat{\boldsymbol{\theta}}

Code:
\displaystyle \mathbf{B}_{simp} = \frac{\mu_{0}m_{0}\cos\theta}{2\pi r^{2}}\left[-\frac{\omega}{c}\sin\left[\omega\left(t-r/c\right)\right]\right]\hat{\mathbf{r}}+ \frac{\mu_{0}m_{0}\sin\theta}{4\pi r}\left[-\frac{\omega^{2}}{c^{2}}\cos\left[\omega\left(t-r/c\right)\right]\right]\hat{\boldsymbol{\theta}}
The two source pages for the formulas prior used employed different symbols for the sinusoidal time functions. If we apply the same symbols to both, per equation 29 at physicspages.com/2015/01/25/electric-quadrupole-radiation/, we get for the magnetic field:

Code:
\displaystyle \mathbf{B}_{simp} = \frac{\mu_{0}m_{0}c_{\theta}}{2\pi r^{2}}\left[-\frac{\omega}{c}s_{\omega}\right]\hat{\mathbf{r}}+ \frac{\mu_{0}m_{0}s_{\theta}}{4\pi r}\left[-\frac{\omega^{2}}{c^{2}}c_{\omega}\right]\hat{\boldsymbol{\theta}}
As a result, the cross product is:

Code:
\displaystyle \mathbf{E}_{simp} \times \mathbf{B}_{simp} \displaystyle = \left[-\frac{\mu_{0}d\omega^{2}p_{0}}{4\pi r^{2}}c_{\theta}^{2}c_{\omega}\hat{\mathbf{r}} \times \frac{\mu_{0}m_{0}s_{\theta}}{4\pi r}\left[-\frac{\omega^{2}}{c^{2}}c_{\omega}\right]\hat{\boldsymbol{\theta}} \right] + \left[ \frac{\mu_{0}p_{0}d\omega^{2}}{\pi}c_{\theta}s_{\theta}\left(\frac{\omega s_{\omega}}{4cr}\right)\hat{\boldsymbol{\theta}} \times \frac{\mu_{0}m_{0}c_{\theta}}{2\pi r^{2}}\left[-\frac{\omega}{c}s_{\omega}\right]\hat{\mathbf{r}}\right]
...which is an azimuthal Poynting vector that drops with the inverse cube of the distance, producing an (orbital) angular momentum density that drops with the inverse square of the distance (ergo: angular momentum is radiated). The above gives a constant multiplied by a trigonometric function. In the case that the electric quadrupole oscillates at same frequency and phase as the AC component of the magnetic field of the solenoid (as what may happen when the coil rings when shorted), we get:

y=-(1/16)*cos(x)^2-(1/8)sin(x)^2

Thus, this transverse Poynting vector which "emits" field angular momentum oscillates roughly on the order of the magnetic dipole (or electromagnetic coil) frequency, but maintains the same directionality during the oscillation (i.e. it has a DC bias). The directionality of the torque depends on the phase difference between the electric quadrupole function and the magnetic dipole function, but is sustained during charging and discharging when the coil is ringing. The torque due to the rate of "emitted" field angular momentum increases with the fourth power of the frequency. It relies on the intensities of the peak and low currents, not so much the peak and low intensities of the accumulated charge, as the latter variation can be made small by choosing a suitably small oscillation period such that even high oscillating displacement currents yield minimal total peak displaced charge. Nevertheless, the magnitude of displacement current that can be obtained at a given frequency will depend on amount of charge that can be stored in the coil as a result of its stray capacitance. This is why the Newman machine effect occurs mainly with an electromagnetic coil with many turns of very fine wire, and thus high stray capacitance is involved. Frequencies in the Newman Machine as high as 13 Mhz have been measured by Roger Hastings.
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#302
07-23-2017, 10:11 PM
 pentarbe Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 32
Joseph Newman with Johnny Carson

Someone just uploaded this and posted it in a yahoo group.

https://vimeo.com/226659147

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#303
07-26-2017, 03:07 AM
 Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 10,810
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• 2 copies of an important diagram showing the commutator arrangement.
• A shortcut link to a full copy of Joseph Newman’s own book called The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman.
• A shortcut link to an interview with Geoffrey Miller.
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#304
07-26-2017, 05:38 AM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,182
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Aaron The FULL DISCLOSURE of Joseph Newman’s technology has finally made it out thanks to Geoffrey Miller! This has been a long time coming and puts to rest what Newman’s motor was all about. Over the years, only a small handful of people got it but most people never had all the information and that is what is about to change. NEWMAN MOTOR DISCLOSURE INCLUDES: 1 hour 55 minute presentation by Geoffrey Miller, a former partner of Joseph Newman who is telling all. 102 PDF of the PowerPoint used for the presentation. 4 rare pics of Geoffrey Miller and Joseph Newman or with the Newman Motor and a letter from Newman thanking Geoffrey for his contributions. 2 copies of an important diagram showing the commutator arrangement. A shortcut link to a full copy of Joseph Newman’s own book called The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman. A shortcut link to an interview with Geoffrey Miller. A shortcut link to a page with the RARE full version interview of Joseph Newman by Johnny Carson. Joseph Newman Motor Disclosure by Geoffrey Miller Here is a 25% DISCOUNT coupon code: NEWMAN EXPIRES IN 48 HOURS Go here to download this historical and exclusive release – NEWMAN MOTOR FULL DISCLOSURE: Newman Motor Disclosure by Geoffrey Miller
Hello Aaron

Does Miller say that it is extra information or does he say that I could build
a working model that operates in over unity without question. If I can pay
$37 and get a working model that would be great. __________________ #305 07-26-2017, 06:32 AM  Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 10,810 Scale it up$37 of course is the info but you really need to focus on a large build go get the real benefits. Newman and Miller have both built big ones that get the "Newman Effect". Small bench models only demonstrate the mechanics of how it runs.

A good question for Geoffrey, what is the smallest one Newman built that is overunity.
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#306
07-26-2017, 10:01 AM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,182
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Aaron $37 of course is the info but you really need to focus on a large build go get the real benefits. Newman and Miller have both built big ones that get the "Newman Effect". Small bench models only demonstrate the mechanics of how it runs. A good question for Geoffrey, what is the smallest one Newman built that is overunity. Good idea, ask if a regular guy could afford one. That 20,000 lbs of wire is out of my ball field. But who knows maybe some guys who have the bigger builds and can't quite get them to work will now get their wish. Thanks Aaron for all of your hard work presenting materials. __________________ #307 07-26-2017, 11:53 AM  wantomake Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 873 Record set straight Yes. I agree for once with Bromikey. I can't afford that amount of wire. Or the large neo's for the rotor. But I got all the value of both from the Conference presentation Miller gave. Mostly I wanted the truth be told about the last of the "film" made about Newman. Loved the documentary but hated the bad feeling from the ending where Newman is being interviewed by that crew in his home. Thanks Geoffrey Miller for telling the truth. To finish, I did build a smaller desk top version, as we all do, to learn from. But that replication was wrong and incomplete. Now I want to learn from the corrected version so that one day I could afford the full size to run my shop and teach others about the passionate man that invented this great machine. Thanks Aaron for your hard work and FE heart, wantomake __________________ Last edited by wantomake; 07-26-2017 at 11:55 AM. #308 07-26-2017, 04:31 PM  Turion Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,499 Question At the conference someone asked Geoffrey "how much is enough" about the wire and he referred them to the data sheet. There is only one mention of lengths, wire gage and numbers of wires in parallel on the data sheet (all in one sentence) and it is unclear as to which of the two coils that info is in reference to. They also asked him at the conference about size of wire and his reply was "size matters". Or at least that was his response on the video with no further indication of specifics. There was discussion of a specific gauge of wire and the possible problems associated with wire that small. Geoffrey DID point out during his power point that two different wire sizes were used on Newman's big machine where one coil was wrapped over the outside of the other coil, and he mentioned the wire sizes of both. He also talked about weight in lbs of wire so those of you with calculators could probably figure a few things out. I hope I have conveyed the meaning without giving away the info that folks are selling to finance research into these important areas of investigation My conclusion, based on everything presented, was that there MAY be a few ways of achieving the same thing with not nearly the financial investment. I guess only time will tell. Dave __________________ "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds "Try Not! Do or do not. There is no 'Try' ". Yoda #309 07-26-2017, 06:50 PM  Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 10,810 size 150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire is about the size that I want to build according to one recommendation. __________________ Sincerely, Aaron Murakami #310 07-26-2017, 08:34 PM  BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,182 Quote:  Originally Posted by Aaron 150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire is about the size that I want to build according to one recommendation. Yeah that sounds much better, I think people will try it if that is the case. You got to figure even the home based 3battery generation coil sets need around, what is it? 60 pounds worth of copper? Not bad on the Joe one where people need huge torque? Yeah torque like out of this world with all of the weight, better invest in some monstrous bearings but after that you maybe could run a water pump in the field. It is gonna be a heavy dog. That may have it's place.$37 bucks to find out a few extra details? Okay I'll go along with that.
The missing link so to speak. Yeah good deal.
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#311
07-26-2017, 11:47 PM
 wantomake Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 873
Ratio

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Aaron 150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire is about the size that I want to build according to one recommendation.
I agree with Turion, I think.

Can that "effect" mentioned by Geoffrey be created without 150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire?'

With this 3:4 ratio, could the "effect" be created in a smaller size replication? He did emphasize loudly that "size matters".

wantomake
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#312
07-27-2017, 12:14 AM
 Turion Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,499
Wantomake,
You don't get the effect without the wire. No way around it with this machine.

I just believe you can get the same output from OTHER machines that won't cost as much to build. That's what I meant, not that you could build a smaller version of Joe's machine, because I don't see any way around the wire mass required unless maybe you could use thin copper rolled material to get you the same mass.
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#313
07-27-2017, 02:41 AM
 wantomake Silver Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 873
Turion,
I got that truth from watching the presentation and hearing what Geoffrey said.

But I asked out loud anyway. I've had a smaller version on my table for some time now. It's a learning tool for me. And now I can expand on this machine to learn more.

Good luck to any that can afford that size replication. I believe it does what Mr. Newman said it does.

wantomake
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#314
07-27-2017, 04:05 AM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,182
Quote:
 Originally Posted by wantomake 150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire....... With this 3:4 ratio
Quote:
 Originally Posted by wantomake Good luck to any that can afford that size replication.
I walk into farmers barns all of the time to see a v8 motor tied to
a pump and for decades Newman promised them a pump for water
in the fields. It is nothing to spend $5000 for a single hole pumping station for farms. Some I know have 6 of them because they can not get a power pole that far out. 350 pound of wire magnets is small, like a small engine block, so if it pumps the water it would be worth it to some people. It may not be a tabletop experiment that you would become involved with just goofing around but some have given a large portion of their time to getting this thing out in the fields. It would be nice if all of those people who had the huge setup could get some water moved with it. Money is no object to them, they spend$15,000 per hole for electricity and more for natural gas V8 pumps.

Maybe we will finally get word after 50 years that water is moving
in the field on a Joe pump. I know guys who would love to get
anything practical to replace oil and gas, nope, nobody knows.

Still runnin on crude 130 years.

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#315
07-27-2017, 03:46 PM
 bistander Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1,252
Cover photo

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Aaron 150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire is about the size that I want to build according to one recommendation.
Photo below is from: Newman Motor Finally Explained?

Hi Aaron,

Is the photo on the cover (shown above) the Newman motor that you want to build with 350 lbs of magnet and copper? It looks pretty rough to put it mildly. I've seen much more robust and quality apparatus from forum member builds of various motors and generators. Good luck with your build.

Regards,

bi
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#316
07-27-2017, 05:58 PM
 Turion Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,499
Bi,

That was a small table top model to demo the circuit and the commutator operation. It was made clear it would NOT do the job as it was far, far, FAR too small, but very much EXACTLY the size of replications that have been built and do not work, thus discrediting the Newman motor. A unit BIG enough would be a pain in the butt to transport around to demo when all that is needed is to show the schematic, the alignment of the rotor to the positioning of the commutator, and how the commutator functions in the circuit.

Dave
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#317
07-28-2017, 12:23 AM
 Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 10,810
table top model

Quote:
 Originally Posted by bistander Photo below is from: Newman Motor Finally Explained? Hi Aaron, Is the photo on the cover (shown above) the Newman motor that you want to build with 350 lbs of magnet and copper? It looks pretty rough to put it mildly. I've seen much more robust and quality apparatus from forum member builds of various motors and generators. Good luck with your build. Regards, bi
That's a very small table top model. I thought I mentioned it's just to show the mechanics of how it should be built. That whole thing probably weights 10-15 pounds total.
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#318
07-28-2017, 12:53 AM
 ricards Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 228
Technical process

I saw this Underlined statement,

"I consider the Technical Process to be 10,000 times more important than the primitive working prototypes."

I think people shouldn't rush into "Big Replications" not only because its not practical, but also believe that the current design is just to show the effect.

I am actually trying to learn what he is trying to teach, I did an experiment by just shorting for a second and breaking the switch of 2 different set of coils, same amount of turns, but different wire gauge #28 & #21.
I did notice that the spark of the #28 was blue/white and the #21 was orange/red.

based from my observations, thin Blue/White means HV and low current, whilst Orange/Red means High Current.

If the material contains and details this "Technical Process" Newman was talking about.. I think Its worth more than the knowledge of "How to build the Newman Machine". as you can make your own design from it, It might even be a small table top device.
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#319
07-28-2017, 01:08 AM
 Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 10,810
replication and principles

Quote:
 Originally Posted by ricards Upon re-reading the newman PDF. I saw this Underlined statement, "I consider the Technical Process to be 10,000 times more important than the primitive working prototypes." I think people shouldn't rush into "Big Replications" not only because its not practical, but also believe that the current design is just to show the effect. I am actually trying to learn what he is trying to teach, I did an experiment by just shorting for a second and breaking the switch of 2 different set of coils, same amount of turns, but different wire gauge #28 & #21. I did notice that the spark of the #28 was blue/white and the #21 was orange/red. based from my observations, thin Blue/White means HV and low current, whilst Orange/Red means High Current. If the material contains and details this "Technical Process" Newman was talking about.. I think Its worth more than the knowledge of "How to build the Newman Machine". as you can make your own design from it, It might even be a small table top device.
I agree with just about all of that.

Understanding the principles allows one to build something from scratch without needing someone's schematic. We've tried to push that point for years.

There is benefit to building something exact though - even if a small bench top model because getting the kinesthetic feedback from the experience gives something imagination alone cannot.

I would recommend people replicate a small bench top model like the one Geoffrey showed at the conference and bathe in the essence of it for a while, then make it bigger or apply the principles to something different.

The white color is purer "radiant" - that's for sure.
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#320
07-28-2017, 05:15 AM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,182
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Aaron I would recommend people replicate a small bench top model like the one Geoffrey showed at the conference

Just knowing that someone who has been involved for years has a
working OVERUNITY Joe Newman motor is a big plus, helps all of our
confidence.

If anyone can direct me to a youtube of this working OU motor I would
be grateful. I mean I am assuming he claims he has such a unit?

If anyone went to the conference knows the answer to my question
plz feel free to butt in at anytime.

@Aaron

Are you going to build it (The small one)????? Sounds promising. I know
you built the SSG, so do you think, knowing what you know, that you
should build one?
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#321
07-28-2017, 06:29 AM
 Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 10,810
which one

Quote:
 Originally Posted by BroMikey Just knowing that someone who has been involved for years has a working OVERUNITY Joe Newman motor is a big plus, helps all of our confidence. If anyone can direct me to a youtube of this working OU motor I would be grateful. I mean I am assuming he claims he has such a unit? If anyone went to the conference knows the answer to my question plz feel free to butt in at anytime. @Aaron Are you going to build it (The small one)????? Sounds promising. I know you built the SSG, so do you think, knowing what you know, that you should build one?
Geoffery has some really big builds at his shop. Check out his site, might be in the photo gallery.

I do want to build the 150 pounds of magnets 200 pounds of wire Newman Motor but it's not priority.

For motors, there is my scotch yoke motor that I want to take to completion. Simulations are run on the magnetics and I'm waiting to see the optimum outcome. The yoke will remain unchanged, but it is the reciprocating rods and their relation to the coil that can take one of many variations.
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#322
07-28-2017, 10:36 AM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,182
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Aaron Geoffery has some really big builds at his shop. Check out his site, might be in the photo gallery. I do want to build the 150 pounds of magnets 200 pounds of wire Newman Motor ....................... ............my scotch yoke motor that I want to take to completion.
I see. Wouldn't it be something if someone got inspired to make kits
available for a practical motor?
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07-28-2017, 07:21 PM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,182
Miller has worked on mechanical ventures for decades and
his photo gallery shows wind turbine work among other.

Here is his site.
http://energybat.com/
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#324
07-30-2017, 12:23 PM
 maxc Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 60
Why with my Newman motor 1 of the 9 volt batteries is charging up backwards now?
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#325
08-15-2017, 06:29 PM
 vidbid Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,745
Joseph Newman's Big Eureka Motor Commutator Design

Has anybody other than myself noticed that Joseph Newman's commutator for Big Eureka is quite different from what he has in his book?

Notice the copper short-out segments are quite long.

So, for most of the time, while the armature is rotating, the coil(s) is (are) shorted.

There is only a momentary contact of the coil to the power supply.

Interesting.
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#326
08-16-2017, 07:20 AM
 vidbid Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,745
Break

Close-up view of break in shorting band of the Big Eureka commutator
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#327
08-16-2017, 09:25 PM
 pjotterkjen Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Monterrey, Mexico Posts: 97
Break - revision

Interesting, yes.

I think there may be a possible and actually very simple explanation to the extremely big commutator on the Big Eureka.

I assume, but of course this is my own interpretation, the thing is only swapping the battery input, nothing more. These segments are way too long.

Remember that one of the original commutators had some 10 FIRE segments connected on one side, and another some 10 FIRE segments connected on the OTHER side, thereby flipping the battery polarity twice during one single revolution. This is all what I think the big commutator is doing. No big sparks come flying off the (carbon?) brushes so no big coil is connected directly there. To see proof of my conclusion, the video on the Big Eureka - The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman - at 0:09:44 in the right upper corner you see the big commutator' brush on the lower side and it is sparking only one time per revolution. In the attached picture you can see the spark. I saw there is also another brush above which makes the circuit complete.

I suspect that the real commutator doing the actual FIRE, BLANK and SHORT segments was somewhere at the other end of the big covered coils with the rotating magnets, inside the big giant cover-up. Maybe a multiple commutator, as is suggested by Newman himself in his book, to reduce sparking. Who knows how many pounds of copper were in that thing?

And the band shown most likely is just to hold everything together. One can see from the close-up pictures that Newman was not an excellent builder at all... of course it was all to confuse and distract everybody.

All of this latest demo machine built shows how protective Newman had become... all very understandable when having seen the most important videos and read most documents about him.

pjotterkjen
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08-16-2017, 09:58 PM
 pjotterkjen Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Monterrey, Mexico Posts: 97
Model 15-C2 or 22-K1

So, to continue, I have plans to build the unit that was tested by Dr. Roger Hastings, described in detail in Chapter 6 of Newman's book.
This one isn't that big (145 lbs.) and according to the specs produced 10 Watts of output with an input of less than 0.5 Watt.

See attached picture.
Has anybody replicated this unit, and what were his/her findings?

I want this model on my test bench, and when it's there I plan to build a second better version with some of the components replaced by electronic parts, to improve the overall working of the device and get more out of it.

To be clear on the subject, I have no intend to build a big one with lots of pounds of copper in it. Too expensive for me. Although that has proved to be one great working model, if I understand correctly the theory explained in the book by Newman himself, there should not be a need to do so. Nevertheless I need something to start with, and I think the small unit of Chapter 6 is an excellent starting point.

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08-16-2017, 10:14 PM
 vidbid Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,745

Quote:
 Originally Posted by pjotterkjen So, to continue, I have plans to build the unit that was tested by Dr. Roger Hastings, described in detail in Chapter 6 of Newman's book.
Thanks for that.

Below is my diagram of Newman's recent design..

While the shorting bands are in contact with the coil contacts, would the coil remain charged?
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08-16-2017, 10:40 PM
 vidbid Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,745
New Diagram

Noticing a possible weld.

Maybe the shorting band is continuous.

Hence, a new diagram with a bridge bypassing the source contacts.

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