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Old 03-15-2014, 01:28 PM
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Hydrogen production beyond belief

Mark Dansie shared this at OU.com

Breakthrough in Hydrogen Production Provides the Cheapest Fuel Source, Game Changer... -- MENLO PARK, Calif., March 12, 2014 /PRNewswire-iReach/ --

Yes they know its impossible ,well it used to be impossible.....[depends on who's book you read]

EPA Certified test lab has verified the claim

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Interesting stuff! Thanks for the heads-up, Chet.

And this mystery (from your link):
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The hydrogen reactor actually turns 1 liter of water into 1kg of hydrogen! While this flies in the face of today's basic science where even a 5th grader knows that 1 liter of water contains 111.11 grams of hydrogen and 888.89 grams of oxygen -- nevertheless, numerous performance tests, including Airkinetics Inc., a prominent EPA-certified national emissions testing specialist, measured the output reactor at 50 ACFM with 93.1% Hydrogen content.
Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. stands by its performance claims and welcomes other independent performance measurements of its hydrogen reactor input/output by the media and leading industry experts. (Download Airkinetics Inc fuel performance test results :http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/S...ce%20_test.pdf.)
For more information on the hydrogen reactor and the Company, please visit Solar Hydrogen Trends Inc..
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"Convert 1 litre of water into 1 Kg of Hydrogen" ?

Whilst water is H2O, and the atomic weights of H and O are 1 and 16 respectively, surely the theoretical maximum must be (2/18 x 1000) grams, namely 111 grams.

There is no mention of a US patent under the company name or the names of the two principles.
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No description of the technology, no patent numbers, no pictures of the reactor or anything at all, only bogus claims.
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Hmm,

4-7 Volts @ 100 Amps to produce the 93-95% H.

Still sounds like brute force as usual.
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Old 03-16-2014, 05:29 PM
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Also stated : 500 watts input will yield enough hydrogen to produce 221.5 Kilowatt/hours of power for a cost of $1.80. Sounds like a definite self runner other than the input of water. Reading the bio's on the people there shows some PhD's and a lot of good credentials. If it's real it could indeed be a game changer. Let's hope....
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Hmm,

4-7 Volts @ 100 Amps to produce the 93-95% H.

Still sounds like brute force as usual.
Actually I believe I just read there that they use 16 different chemical and physical processes to achieve this. I wouldn't call roughly 500 watts brute force .... maybe brute Amps though
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:21 PM
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personally Investigating OU claims for quite some time

ewizard
Yes Mark Dansie shared this information release and he has many many years of "eyes on hands on" with OU claims.

A certified lab of note has hung their name on the tests,learned men
are heavily involved ,plus an open invite to all qualified investigation is being solicited.

very intiguing indeed.........

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That was priceless, you said:
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"Convert 1 litre of water into 1 Kg of Hydrogen" ?

Whilst water is H2O, and the atomic weights of H and O are 1 and 16 respectively, surely the theoretical maximum must be (2/18 x 1000) grams, namely 111 grams.
while the post before yours you obviously didn't read said:
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While this flies in the face of today's basic science where even a 5th grader knows that 1 liter of water contains 111.11 grams of hydrogen
Then Jetijs said:
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No description of the technology, no patent numbers, no pictures of the reactor or anything at all, only bogus claims.
He obviously didn't bother to follow the link to their website and see that big old machine in the graphic behind almost every page of text.

I seems the quality of critics in this place is almost pathetic compared to what it used to be. Although it is comical to read... keep up the good work guys.

On another note even if it works as claimed it doesn't matter because there are too many motionless generators in the works and if even one works even marginally then the H2 dream is a pipe dream at best. It may have mattered 30 years ago but it's time has long since past before it even began.

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Subtle as a Fart in Church.....

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No need to be condescending and rude.

The next 30 years will be the ones which will make all the diference for us and our children [once this OU dam breaks],
and how we treat each other will probably be more important than ever.
since the ability to annihilate will be so easy to come by.

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A noticable lack of detail

Perhaps more information will be forthcoming. If not, it will never see the light of day. We have seen this before and it doesn't turn out well.
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Then Jetijs said:


He obviously didn't bother to follow the link to their website and see that big old machine in the graphic behind almost every page of text.

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Looked at the links again. There is no picture of a machine. Or do you mean that bottling conveyor in the design graphic?

Here is that picture:
http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/img/laboratory.jpg
Looks like a bottling machine to me

And here is the original:
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That was priceless, you said:

while the post before yours you obviously didn't read said:

Then Jetijs said:
What is the purpose
He obviously didn't bother to follow the link to their website and see that big old machine in the graphic behind almost every page of text.

I seems the quality of critics in this place is almost pathetic compared to what it used to be. Although it is comical to read... keep up the good work guys.

On another note even if it works as claimed it doesn't matter because there are too many motionless generators in the works and if even one works even marginally then the H2 dream is a pipe dream at best. It may have mattered 30 years ago but it's time has long since past before it even began.

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Allcanadian:

What was your purpose in writing this post?
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I detect full moon posts .... I can see both sides of this but it would be good to take a deep breath. While I find it interesting they have that bottling thing in their background pics that doesn't kill the whole deal. They might not want the inside of their lab seen at this point. I'll agree hydrogen may not be as important now but it would still be an easier retrofit for many vehicles than going to electric vehicles based on other tech. If it's anything that can lower the cost of energy and keep things less polluted I'LL TAKE IT!!!
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From my calculations

50cubic feet/min of H2 = 1415 Ltrs/min H2 @ 500watts = 0.35w/ltr

That is OU as far as energy convertion is concerned, but, moving that amount of H2 is also an item!! H2 in liquid water is a very fine bubble, the mechanics of moving that volume would mean that a vacuum is being used in the reactor or it is water mist being reacted so as it does not have to evolve through the water.

I would go for the water mist and the reactor was flushed through with N2/Ar before switching on. 500w is not a lot of power which brings me to the amperage, 100 amps+- @ 5volts. I would say the amperage was measured at the reactor and not the main input (see what I posted on the Meyer thread).

Using inductive RF with a low volt input of around 5v at the cell could devolope hundreds of amps (this works), but there claim is way beyound what I can do.

The weight of H might be because it is not H2, it could be a heavier element of H, but that would be moving into the realms of nuclear reactions and I don't think it would or they might start glowing in the dark.

The last para: apart, I think there is a miss understanding of numbers, somewhere they are certainly assuming transmutation to reach those numbers, but of what? I would say certainly not the oxygen, so where has the hydrogen come from? not the water for a fact. What other molecules are they using which contain such a volume of H apart from the one litre of water???? The Oxygen, lack of, I do not have a problem with (re. SMD) it goes to oxidation of an element in an electrode and generates electrons which can be used to power part of the system "that's why there is only 500w consumed, maybe" and a good possibility to go OU on energy value

Just my musings for today

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The solutions to this challenge, as yet, still seems too complex -- unnatural.

Russell was onto(provided) something we do not yet understand (likely, we refuse to acknowledge).
Abundant Nitrogen's coercion to Hydrogen seems so uninteresting to us.

Why?
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Old 03-22-2014, 04:56 PM
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Some more info on COP 400 claim

From here [thx to LancaIV at OU.com]

Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. Claims Breakthrough Hydrogen Production System (COP 400 Claimed) |

⚑ SolarHydrogenTrends • 4 days ago

Dear Colleagues,

I am closely following all the discussions on multiple forums.

I really like your judgments and their proximity to understanding
the processes that occur in reality in the hydrogen reactor "Symphony
7A".

Unfortunately, according to the existing ethics in the
scientific community, the authors are not encouraged to discuss about any research
results with the media before they are published in scientific journals.

However, in order for you to understand what a great discovery
GOD gave to us all please try to find answers
in the following questions:

1. If the working substance in the reactor is water, how
come the output is almost only hydrogen ?

2. After splitting water where do molecules of oxygen
disappear?

3. What role in stunning efficiency of "Symphony
7A" plays a collective excitation of nucleons in the nuclei of atoms of oxygen?

4. Is it possible at a rate of 0.5 kW energy hour and at
operating temperature 60 degrees centigrade, to have a nuclear fission and fusion?

5 . To produce 1kg of hydrogen it is necessary to split 9
liters of water, then how or in what way in this hydrogen reactor
"Symphony 7A", it takes only 1 liter?


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Solar Hydrogen Trends Inc. Chief Scientist Konstantin Balakiryan Reveals the Secrets... -- MENLO PARK, Calif., May 7, 2014 /PRNewswire-iReach/ --

MENLO PARK, Calif., May 7, 2014 /PRNewswire-iReach/ -- May 7, 2014 – Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. announced in March the invention of the world's first hydrogen reactor "Symphony 7A" capable of converting 1 liter of water into 1kg of hydrogen. It will be two months since people worldwide have been trying to explain the phenomenon of hydrogen reactor Symphony 7A. Following are some of the more notable comments (with responses) from forums representing views of individuals that we found most interesting. Konstantin Balakiryan, PhD, CEO, Founder and Chief Scientist, Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc:
1. "This is a Chemical Reaction"
Professor K. Balakiryan - "I agree. In Symphony 7A, active metal alloy is involved in the oxidation reaction. However, the amount of formed oxide for a one hour period is only 2.1%. During that same time, Symphony 7A produces more than 7 kg of hydrogen and the share of that chemical reaction is only about 189 grams of hydrogen. If all the hydrogen in Symphony 7A reactor was produced by oxidation - reduction reaction, then in one hour we would spend 97.9 % of all active metal alloy and the cartridge would practically be replaced every hour. This could have become the weak point of our hydrogen reactor, however, in Symphony 7A cartridge is replaced once a week, and for the model Symphony 7AM cartridge replacement will take place once every four weeks."
2. "This is Electrolysis"
Professor K. Balakiryan - "The process in Symphony 7A is slightly similar to electrolysis, however to produce 7 kg of hydrogen in one hour with the standard electrolysis, we had to spend about 17 gallons of water. In Symphony 7A, less than 2 gallons of water were used. Thus the contribution of electrolysis is about 690 grams of hydrogen per hour. As you can see, both of these processes play just a supporting role.
3. "This is Cold Fission and Cold Fusion"
Professor K. Balakiryan – "Indeed at such low temperatures and minimum energy costs, we have low-temperature synthesis - connection (capture) with protons of free electrons and subsequent formation of hydrogen atoms (i.e., Cold Fusion). One should not forget that in hydrogen reactor Symphony 7A, before synthesis of hydrogen atoms takes place, decay of nuclei of oxygen atoms into nucleons should occur first, which under multifactorial influences are collectively excited and then begin to push each other away. They can reach critical distance where vectors of "colored forces" are rotated to 180 degrees. This means that the energy of the strong interaction which provides the stability of nucleus is now working to "push out" nucleons from the nucleus. Thus the energy required to separate the nucleus into its composing nucleons is numerically equal to the energy, used to create nucleus from separate nucleons, and therefore in accordance with the Einstein law, it should be determined by excess (mass defect):
Есon= Dm с2 = [zmp + (A - z)mn - Mn] с2
Now when the nucleons are in the free state, the neutron converts into a proton without possibility of reverse conversion to neutron, because this kind of conversion is possible only for protons in the nucleus. For us it is extremely important because with these additional free protons we are doubling production of hydrogen.
One of these protons as a given, and the other proton is a result of neutron decay (beta decay).
n--> p+e− + ve
If we consider this decay at the quark level, according to Professor B. Ishkhanov it would appear as if it passes in two stages. The first step is the conversion of d -quark to u -quark and boson W−
d--> u + W−
the second step boson W− decays , turning into an electron and antineutrino
W−--> e− + ve
Electrons produced by the decay of the neutron, which is emitted from it with great speed plays two very important roles:
1. With the collision of an atom of oxygen, this ionizes it.
2. With proton collision, this forms a hydrogen atom.Since the process of Nuclear Fission in Symphony 7A proceeds at room temperature, it can be definitely considered as a Cold Fission.
4. "This is LENR"
Professor K. Balakiryan - "We have been avoiding using this term for some time because we are seriously investigating, and treat the scientific work and the description of physical phenomena, with the utmost of respect. We never display our wishful thinking as if it were reality We can confidently state that in Symphony 7A there is a transmutation process of atoms of oxygen into hydrogen.
Judge for Yourself: The composition of the gas mass on the exit of the hydrogen reactor in one hour makes more than 7 kg of pure hydrogen. Since the working substance in the Symphony 7A is water, then its decomposition product can only be oxygen and hydrogen. There is no oxygen on exit. However, there is hydrogen which is eight times more than it should be. And where is the oxygen? There should be 6.2 kg. But there is not. Leakage of oxygen is excluded, because we know how volatile hydrogen is, and we made sure that our hydrogen reactor is hermetically sealed.
The answer is clear - "This is transmutation!"
However transmutation of oxygen atoms to hydrogen atoms (reaction) at temperatures below 80F, and with energy input of 0.5 kWh can be called "low energy nuclear reactions" (cold fusion). There are no other options.
Therefore, this is classical LENR!!!
To understand and scientifically describe all processes in the hydrogen reactor it will require efforts of hundreds of scientists and theoretical physicists and experimentalists. A team of scientists from Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. hopes that in the next few years, in partnership with you, esteemed members of the scientific community, we'll get the justification of physical processes in hydrogen LENR reactors Symphony 7 series.
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What about this info. Mr. Ishkhanov mentioned in the previous process description. Sorry, info in russian.

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What about this info. Professor Ishkhanov mentioned in the previous process description. Sorry, info in russian.

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