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hho and catalytic converter

Someone wrote this back to me when I posted about this thread:

Hi Folks, You need to know that the catalytic action by Palladium & Platinum, has been known for a very long time, & is used in auto exhaust systems to remove unburned, vaporized fuel. These catalysts do this by absorbing the hydrogen from the fuel & combining it with oxygen, thus making H2O. Both Palladium & Platinum have the property of attracting & absorbing vast quantities of H2, & while doing so, the friction of this process causes the catalysts to become red hot! It's worth noting that Platinum reacts with H2, even from cold, vaporized fuels, & becomes hot almost instantly, but Palladium does so at much higher temperatures. Also, please note: both catalysts are not the plain elements, they must be processed into other forms in order to become catalysts! Platinum in this case is Platinum black, & Palladium is processed to a similar structure. Some common uses for these catalysts are: flame-less propane heaters, & Cigaret lighters, pocket hand warmers (Japan)--use anhydrous alcohols. Industry, primarily use other forms & combinations of these & other elements in chemical processes. Find out more at Wikipedia, if need be. P.S. The modern fuel cells use this principle, & they produce: H2O, Heat, & D.C. Electricity.
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perhaps some directions for where the other forum is?

when I back out of this page I do not see it or a link to it ?


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when I back out of this page I do not see it or a link to it ?


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I see now it is under another seperate forum Topic "water fuel" above the renewable energy main page...

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic, the 4th state of water
and associated experiments are quite interesting as well as your investigations into possible alternative methods for running an ICE.

Water ceases to amaze .................


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If it gets that hot then you could run a steam engine.

Correct???
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Sorry for my electrical ignorance. In the below video from hydrofuelincanada. If 100 volts makes that much reaction, what would 50,000 volts do to that water from static electricity? Can static electricity be run to continuously or almost continuously fire off 50k or 10's of k volts? Could something like two Van de Graaff generators be set to fire at different times so static electricity voltage can be a continuous flow?

Meyers Tech For H-Cat ?? - YouTube

This second video caused me to come with the questions above.
continuous static charge detected - YouTube

Happening on to this thread then seeing the ops video and the two posted here just had me imagining a ufo type shape vehicle that sucks air in through the top powered by a battery lets say. The air is compressed inside the chamber while the blade(s) have good static electricity conducting materials that continuously contact with every rotation conducting high voltages. The compressed air having high humidity gets hit by the high voltage static electricity and the water molecules split releasing the hydrogen to a generator which powers the electric prop motors outside the vehicle, while the water is dumped through small holes along with air pressure. Enough hydrogen to also recharge the blade(s) battery.

The vehicle would be made of plastic with double sided graphene coated layers.

Along with water, static electricity seems very magical to me.

Sorry if this sound silly and i'm missing something very elemental.
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Wanna make some heat?.....Take it to the next level..........
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I have also made several small experiments today with hho and catalyst converter. But first I must say thank you to woopy about his videos that inspired me to start working on this.
I have a rather efficient drycell that outputs about 1.5LPM at about 300w of power. The power level and the gas output can be adjusted as needed. The max power can be increased with stronger electrolyte. Today I did not have much time, but the initial tests show several things.
1 the catalyst need to be at some treshold temperature to be able to react with hho and heat up.
2 if there is too much hho gas, the catalyst comb will melt into clumps.
3 if the catalyst is allowed to heat up too much, it will ignite the flame on the hho torch.

I used the whole catalyst converter and 1.5LPM of hho is too much to be used with one nozzle, because of the melting risk. It also heats up an area of about 15x15mm, but the whole catalyst area is way bigger. Instead of using one nozzle rather far away from the catalyst to reduce melting risk, I should divide the gas flow into multiple smaller nozzles placed evenly throughout the whole surface. That would be way more efficient. The air must be mixed with the hho very precise not to cool the catalyst below the treshold temperature and also not to allow the flame to manifest.
What I want to test out now is to drill out a cylinder shape of the catalyst comb and put it into a 32mm diameter copper tube. I will use small amounts of hho mixed air using a regulated aquarium air pump to get the best possible mixing ratios. I will let this mixture flow through the copper pipe. The pipe can be heated externaly using a blowtorch to get the startup treshold temperature. The chalange is then to adjust the gas flow and mixture to maintain the catalyst heated. As for the heat removal, I think about putting that copper pipe into a bigger copper pipe and fill the gap between them with sand to form a kind of heat buffer. So that I could take all the heat off the outer surface using water or whatever, but maintain the inner temperature above the treshold level to maintain the reaction. Having lots of experience with hho and burning/melting stuff with it and seeing todays test results I believe there could be something to it. Catalyst behaves in a very interesting way. Will post more results and pictures tomorrow.
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when I back out of this page I do not see it or a link to it ?


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Hi Chet,

I see that Lamare answered you.

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The Stan Meyer related posts have been moved here: Stanley Meyer
I just moved all the Stan Meyer related posts into a Stanley Meyer thread in the Water Fuel subforum.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:26 PM
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Hi all

Hi Jetijs

Very happy that you are on this subject, and thanks for kind words.

Yes your observations seems very similar with mines.

I go on this experiments, and post this video with no pretention, but the reaction of the HHO on the catalyst versus carbonised wood seems to me interesting

CAT to LENR apèroach 7 wmv - YouTube

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Hi all.
Did not have much time today but I did make a quick test.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uiRnHnbVM

I use an aquarium pump with 6 outputs. I use only one output for now. The pump power can be adjusted in the range of about 20-100%. The hho output can be adjusted as well. The video clearly shows that the heating effect can be maintained with a correct mixture of gasses, but if the heat increases past a certain pint - auto ignition occurs. Fortunately the air content is high enough for no serious flash back to the bubbler to occur. With pure hho I also get the "sun" but there is a serious risk of melting the comb if I let the hho on one spot too long.
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FYI,the cats with highest platinum content are general motors domestic 2004-and up thereabouts.Recyclers pay about $100 apiece and they are a hot item among thieves for this reason.
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quick stupid question for woopy

Was there any difference that you noticed on the wood carbon without the hho flame?
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Hi Jetijs

Very good demo

And yes it is THE problem with this experiment. When the temperature of the comb get high , the flashbacks occures.

I have tried a venturi injector ( the red object i show at the end of my last video ) in order to better mix air and HHO, but noway , the flashback occure as soon as the power of heat increases. So the control of this heating system will be the main thing to work on.

And yes the honeycomb melts when i get the sun light. And the carbonised wood also consumes very fast when the HHO is in direct contact.

So what want we do with this very powerfull but difficult to manage stuff ?? Heating system, or tracking for eventual LENR, or simply getting some more experience and knowledge ? or..

@ JDC

What happens to the hho-cat.hostoi forum. It seems that i cannot read it ?

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Hi Greg, can you precise your question please.

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around page 85 in PDF

HHHMMM I see this forum will not accept the PDF [perhaps my file inventory is filled a bit too much here]
It is over here in post number 6
Lyne Atomic Hydrogen Furnace

a must read for all..

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Platinum is by far the most effective element used for PEM fuel cell catalysts, and nearly all current PEM fuel cells use platinum particles on porous carbon supports to catalyze both hydrogen oxidation and oxygen reduction. However, due to their high cost, current Pt/C catalysts are not feasible for commercialization. The U.S. Department of Energy estimates that platinum-based catalysts will need to use roughly four times less platinum than is used in current PEM fuel cell designs in order to represent a realistic alternative to internal combustion engines.[5] Consequently, one main goal of catalyst design for PEM fuel cells is to increase the catalytic activity of platinum by a factor of four so that only one-fourth as much of the precious metal is necessary to achieve similar performance.

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"Graphene is hydrophobic – it repels water – but narrow capillaries made from graphene vigorously suck in water allowing its rapid permeation, if the water layer is only one atom thick – that is, as thin as graphene itself."

Graphene's love affair with water

So where do the 2 hydrogen atoms go?
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Hi jdc and all

Somebody here ?????

just some progress and experiment

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Lightbulb Video HHO Being Fed Into Catalytic Converter

This video shows the process.



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Chad at envirosponsble stopped by and liked what he saw and thought his viewers would be interested in this technology as well, This is his video, I uploaded wtih his permission. Thanks For your help in spreading the word.
H-CAT Video From My Friend Chad's Channel Envirosponsible ! - YouTube

It seems like the elites knew about the technology even back in the 1950s.

Good background video to get you up to speed.

H-CAT? Catalytic Combustion of HHO / Hydroxy Yields Cold Fusion or LENR Effect? + Long Lead In Rant - YouTube




H-CAT Catalytic Combustion Of HHO Yields Useful Heat Video Demo / Test 1 - YouTube

The fellow in the video talks about mixing ambient air with the HHO gas.

Stanley Meyer mentioned it, but he didn't know about using a CC.

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The velocity of hydrogen is so great that the hydrogen ensuing from a nozzle will not under ordinary circumstances sustain a flame. Therefore, to sustain a flame at a nozzle attached to a hydrogen generator the burning velocity of the hydrogen gas must be reduced.

Source of quote: Stan Meyer - The Nitrogen Key
When using a catalytic converter, it looks like you don't need a flame. It will make its own flame.

Can you imagine what Stanley Meyer could have designed had he known about using a catalytic converter with HHO and ambient air, but in the above image, Stanley is mixing some of the exhaust air back into the reactor.

I wonder if anybody has done that yet with a catalytic converter.

It would be interesting to note the results.

Enjoy.

Regards,

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PS: Just imagine if we had Chemalloy technology now, what we could do with it and the CC and HHO, ambient, and exhaust.

Chemalloy

PPS: Good luck on your forced HHO Gas Catalytic Heater, that is, your HCAT Build: H-Cat Ver1.0 Build Update / Catalytic Combustion of HHO is HHOT! - YouTube

PPPS: Video on HHO Flash Arrestor: HHO flash arrestor for HHO and HOD systems. - YouTube
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Professor Yeong Kim predicts sulfur in the H-Cat process

Professor Yeong Kim predicts sulfur in the H-Cat process
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The geometry design of the catalytic material honey comb was useful for automobile exhaust system.

You can see the size of the red glow from an HHO torch hot or cold applied from outside. The delta H of reactant is short of requirements of chain RX of nitrogen atmosphere and catalyst concentration. Taking resonance into account the chamber volume and shape along with matching resonance.

I would expect the final diameter of a long tapered tube to give frequency in GHz but it starts in an audible range.

PCI with atomiser gasoline spray - YouTube

There does'nt need to be sulfur eventually with pure water.
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Be mindful of your health ...

Just a note of warning, this reaction creates abundant free radicals so can be very bad for skin, hair and respiration.

So please be careful !
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Hello RAMSET,

no i won't be replicating anything involving Palladium/Rhodium or any of the noble metals in a catalytic reaction with H2 and O.

Generating Brown's gas is one thing, playing with these reactions is another.

Experimenting safely means experimenting knowledgably, and most of the people doing these experiments are neither chemists nor metallurgists.

Union Carbide were doing experiments in this area in the late 40s or early 50s i can't remember. Their lab-book was declassified and is available on the net but i forget the title so will have a hunt for it.


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Union Carbide under ORNL ...

Found it :

http://web.ornl.gov/info/reports/1952/3445603529607.pdf


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Why is there no mention here that the use of the catalytic-conversion process as an efficient heat source has been known about and used for decades? Handwarmers that employ a palladium filament use lighter fluid as the fuel. The only differences between the use of HHO and lighter fluid is that with the latter, the filament must be pre-heated in a flame for 5-10 seconds - so no 'self'starting'.

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A catalytic hand warmer is heated by a the catalytic reaction of the hand warmer’s platinum-coated filament burner head coming into contact with fumes from white gas lighter fluid. In order to start the catalytic reaction, just hold a flame to the burner head for roughly five to 10 seconds. The filaments in the burner will begin to glow (sometimes visibly, other times not so much) and produce heat. The burner will continue to generate heat from the catalytic reaction for as long as there’s white gas fumes to fuel it.
A link to a video of the 'Zippo' handwarmer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkIe...c&noredirect=1

If this also works for lighter-fluid by pre-heating the filament, is there any chance that it might also work with just water vapor, or even better, a fogger's output? Sucking the fuel into the catalytic converter rather than squirting it in might also perform better.
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Very very nice....

Steelrat

Wonderful contribution very informative ,a must read for all looking at "Whats New" in this field.

@Sprocket
yes there are industry applications for this process however the state of the art worlds most efficient heater in this case still plugs into your wall.[resistor]

At least that is the case so far .......what the steelrat has shared and
perhaps a pinch of William Lyne [occult aether physics think he's going/speaking at Aaron's conference] and some of this ,

From Conrad at OU.com
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Some information about Irving Langmuir and his inventions:

You might already know all that. The information is not filtered and not conditioned to your specific needs. So, do not blame me if you loose time and if you do not like it.

The Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator
The Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator (MAHG) is fully based on the Irving Langmuir discovery. In the MAHG, the hydrogen is merely dissociated and recombined and can therefore be recycled over and over again without consuming more hydrogen than the quantity used to start with.

REVEALED
You might be interested in this project. In 1926 Dr. Irving Langmuir discovered an anomaly:
When hydrogen is passed through an electric arc it is converted from molecular Hydrogen to H1 or atomic hydrogen. Atomic hydrogen has unusual properties.

Atomic Hydrogen as a Fuel the blow torch was discussed here

IRVING LANGMUIR - National Academy of Sciences
page 216 list of his papers (which could be obtained from a University library):
Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welding (1926) .

Irving Langmuir - Engineering Hall of Fame

Atomic Hydrogen Blow Torch

Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding

The Case of Dr Irving Langmuir and General Electric - Academia.edu


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The Atomic Hydrogen Process is 100% CLEAN and SAFE.

When you add the fact that the hydrogen is not consumed in the “burning” process, and can thus be recycled, it should become very clear to any scientist, humanist, environmentalist, business executive and indeed to every human being that is concerned about the state of our wonderful planet, that no more time should be wasted. The time has come for removing the responsibility of defining the energy policies and structures of the future from the hands of the established energy industries, and place it in the hands of men of science who will work for the preservation of the environment that sustains all life on Earth. Men who will work for the economic development of the third world by means of providing clean, abundant and inexpensive energy technologies.

Such initiative will only succeed when massively supported by the visionary captains of industry who will have the courage to dismantle the existing and scandalous energy grid which now envelopes our planet, by investing in the production and marketing of small energy generators for individual households, factories, transport etc.

Once such a generator has been acquired by the consumer, his further energy requirements will be covered for FREE, giving him independence in terms of energy as well as increased buying power for any other economic development.

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