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Hello Everyone,

I have been reading about Platinum Catalyzed Reaction of Hydrogen and Oxygen all day. Its a very interesting concept. With the Cats we have a ready made reactor

Thank you jdcproducts for posting this. It should make this so simple for a lot of replications to take place. The catalytic converter has everything needed to start small. I do think you can make a way better reactor but this small one should in theory lead to a very easy COP > 1

I will be addeing thermoelectric modules on my build to capture the heat that is produced. I will take every type of mesument that I can and post all the results.

Time to have some fun

-Altrez
Yes, The United States Military especially has been researching and developing these types of catalytic reactors since the 50's. There is so much power density to these systems its mind boggling. The reason why I decided to release the information free to the public is because of the fact I found a few de-classified documents from the United States Government that showed they had been working on the technology for a very long time. I also found out they were investing billions if not trillions into the development of hydrogen based technologies before my grandmother was born and yet none of us in the mainstream ever got a chance to use any of the technologies.Most people in my local area have never even heard of it.

I was unable to find anyone on YouTube experimenting with the concept or any web posts talking about it. I knew the information was a jewel. Instead of hanging on to it myself and trying to make money, I felt it best to tell everyone what I discovered. There is more to the catalytic combustion of hho than meets the eye. Thanks for the interest and information.
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jdcproducts,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I will order that soon. Do you have a recommendation for a HHO system to attach to it? I am looking for something thats already constructed.

I have found a few on ebay that output 6Lpm so that should be enough to start with. I just want to be sure before I make the investment.

Thanks!

-Altrez
To experiment with this you really don't need anything more than 200 watts. We are finding out its enough to produce useful heat. I sale a few plan sets and systems but the choice is ultimately up to you. You can build one from scratch or you can buy one from literally hundreds if not thousands of online vendors.

Almost any hho brick cell 7-21 plates built for 12 volt dc power sources will handle 200 watts.

Be weary of over the top liter per minute output claims. Rough estimate, 200 watts of power input to any type of electrolysis hho cell will yield about a liter per minute. We have been able to do this will 100-150 watts but not much more than that.

6 lpm systems would need 8-1000 watts of power to produce that much gas output. That is a large system and your going to find a hard time finding a 12 volt dc power supply that can output 1 kilowatt. It would cost a bundle.

When you start getting into the 5-10 liter per minute output ranges, you really want a system that runs on grid power 120-240 volts. The voltage is rectified to DC and an AC variac or even some use a router speed controller to throttle the voltage/amps up and down. This greatly reduces the amount of amps needed to get to the high wattage needed. For instance. If you wanted 1200 watts with a 12 volt system. The hho cell would need to draw 100 amps. That is a lot of heat being produced and the need for very low gauge thick power cables is a must. Your hho cell must have multiple stacks of cells with a lot of surface area to be able to handle that type of current as well. At the same time if you had 120 volt hho cell you would only need 10 amps to match the same wattage. Reducing heat and the size of the power cables needed.

The draw back to the higher voltage systems is the number of series stacked plates increases. You will roughly need 60 plates stacked in series to obtain a 120 cell which will run stable. You simply connect a positive cable to one of the outside plates and the negative cable to the other outside plates. All the other plates in the middle will act as "neutral" plates or "bipolar" plates. They do not need power connections and will reduce the incoming voltage between each plate to roughly 2 volts.

With standard brute force electrolysis you want 2-3 volt voltage potential between the anode and cathode. Anything above this voltage will produce waste heat and will eat your plates quickly.

Notice most basic 12 volt electrolysis cells start out as 7 plate cells. Two power plates on the end and 5 independent neutral plates in the middle. With this 7 plate stack and an input of 12 volts dc, the voltage between each plate will drop to 2 volts. That 7 plate stack depending on the size will only be able to handle 5-15 amps usually. That means if you wanted a high amp 12 volt dc system, you will need multiple stacks of 7 plate cells. Each 7 plate stack handling again 5-10 amps.

It can get rather confusing at first if you haven't done much work with hho but to start the beginning stages of this type of experiment, you only need a small 12 volt 7 plate hho cell, which will yield .25- 1 lpm of production.

If you have questions about a specific hho cell you are thinking about purchasing or want to build you own. Post in this thread or send me a personal message. I'm always happy to help out anyone interested in hho.
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H & O recombination reaction

Below I have attached "part" of a pdf from my reaction files of SMD for your consideration. Please note that this is a diatomic and no LENR reaction.

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Thank You!!

Thank you JDC for posting this information. Of all the projects on this forum I believe this is one of the most promising as well as being one almost anyone can work on. I am in the process of locating a cat or two to try this with. I use a local auto repair shop and the owner has said he will save one for me. I was going to order one from Ebay until I saw your post that said others had not gotten the cheap $40 ones to work.

I can see all kinds of potential for a system using the process you have shared. From home heating and water heating to maybe even a steam powered auto. My son already has a HHO cell he was using on his diesel truck which we can borrow to test our cat when we get one.

Thanks Woopy for doing such a great job as usual for sharing what you are doing. I am sure there are a lot of others that are watching and just haven't posted anything yet.

Thanks again to both of you, Carroll
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Below I have attached "part" of a pdf from my reaction files of SMD for your consideration. Please note that this is a diatomic and no LENR reaction.

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Hey Mike,

Thanks for posting that. It does seem to be a very efficient way to use hydrogen gas the more I read about it. I agree there is no LENR effect going on here but it is something very useful and easy to replicate. And something I have not ran across before.



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To experiment with this you really don't need anything more than 200 watts. We are finding out its enough to produce useful heat. I sale a few plan sets and systems but the choice is ultimately up to you. You can build one from scratch or you can buy one from literally hundreds if not thousands of online vendors.

Almost any hho brick cell 7-21 plates built for 12 volt dc power sources will handle 200 watts.

Be weary of over the top liter per minute output claims. Rough estimate, 200 watts of power input to any type of electrolysis hho cell will yield about a liter per minute. We have been able to do this will 100-150 watts but not much more than that.

6 lpm systems would need 8-1000 watts of power to produce that much gas output. That is a large system and your going to find a hard time finding a 12 volt dc power supply that can output 1 kilowatt. It would cost a bundle.

When you start getting into the 5-10 liter per minute output ranges, you really want a system that runs on grid power 120-240 volts. The voltage is rectified to DC and an AC variac or even some use a router speed controller to throttle the voltage/amps up and down. This greatly reduces the amount of amps needed to get to the high wattage needed. For instance. If you wanted 1200 watts with a 12 volt system. The hho cell would need to draw 100 amps. That is a lot of heat being produced and the need for very low gauge thick power cables is a must. Your hho cell must have multiple stacks of cells with a lot of surface area to be able to handle that type of current as well. At the same time if you had 120 volt hho cell you would only need 10 amps to match the same wattage. Reducing heat and the size of the power cables needed.

The draw back to the higher voltage systems is the number of series stacked plates increases. You will roughly need 60 plates stacked in series to obtain a 120 cell which will run stable. You simply connect a positive cable to one of the outside plates and the negative cable to the other outside plates. All the other plates in the middle will act as "neutral" plates or "bipolar" plates. They do not need power connections and will reduce the incoming voltage between each plate to roughly 2 volts.

With standard brute force electrolysis you want 2-3 volt voltage potential between the anode and cathode. Anything above this voltage will produce waste heat and will eat your plates quickly.

Notice most basic 12 volt electrolysis cells start out as 7 plate cells. Two power plates on the end and 5 independent neutral plates in the middle. With this 7 plate stack and an input of 12 volts dc, the voltage between each plate will drop to 2 volts. That 7 plate stack depending on the size will only be able to handle 5-15 amps usually. That means if you wanted a high amp 12 volt dc system, you will need multiple stacks of 7 plate cells. Each 7 plate stack handling again 5-10 amps.

It can get rather confusing at first if you haven't done much work with hho but to start the beginning stages of this type of experiment, you only need a small 12 volt 7 plate hho cell, which will yield .25- 1 lpm of production.

If you have questions about a specific hho cell you are thinking about purchasing or want to build you own. Post in this thread or send me a personal message. I'm always happy to help out anyone interested in hho.
Thanks for the info. I will most likely order one from your site

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Caloric testing

Just for clarity.
all you need to test this is a cardboard box and a thermometer.Thats it nothing else !!

if you know your input power to the HHO cell?

say its taking you 30 watts to make your gas? [BTW 30 watts can make a resistor white hot 1000 F or higher easily]

put the "reactor" in a washing machine sized cardboard box
just place the box over the unit. put a thermometer lead into the box .
[hang the lead inside ] seal the box to the ground with weights on the flaps.

run the "reactor".. when the heat stops rising in the box or can no longer raise it do to losses to the cold air outside the box .

write down the temp.

now take a 30 watt light bulb or soldering iron or
whatever resistive element you have handy.

run the test again.

compare your final temperature rise against ambient [temp outside the box]
this is a fixed loss to ambient test .


who won??
your Final box temps are the ruler for comparison.

A cardboard box and a thermometer = calorimetry [caloric measurement]
running both tests simultaneously is best [same conditions]

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Calorimetry is fun and useful ,it would behoove you to learn these simple scientific measurement techniques.
after all the only way to make inprovements is to know where you stand in the first place.
the resistive electic heater [light bulbs even]is almost 100 percent efficient when making heat inside a cardboard box and gives you a line in the sand to beat.
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Below I have attached "part" of a pdf from my reaction files of SMD for your consideration. Please note that this is a diatomic and no LENR reaction.

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I appreciate the information but where is the rest of the report? This is also not data on the catalytic combustion of pure hho. H2 metered with 02 is not hho.

You have pictures, videos, or detailed descriptions of the tests performed? What does the reactor look like? how was it designed and built? What are the measurements? Most of the recombiner reactors I've seen were not engineered to be viable for use in space heating. Not going to heat much with a tiny platinum wire or 1/2" diameter reaction tube. So far, thats been really all the meat and potatoes I can find. You gave me one page of a report so you leave a lot to desire and a million questions to follow.

One page of some numbers and a few paragraphs of information isn't really useful to this particular effect again using HHO on demand is of prime interest.

I am looking for Testing of 250-1000 watt On demand HHO or Hydrogen Catalytic heaters, which main purpose is to produce heat output to warm a room or home, not a small scale experiment used for the purpose of gathering mathematical models. It is no bother to me if the math says its more efficient to plug in an electric resistive heater. To be sure someone out there can provide this information? No fully functional on demand hho or even H2 heater can be found with video and complete data sets.

Again this report is testing the effect using only one form of hydrogen oxygen, their are many other states and isotopes that will produce different results in the same reaction. Maybe the basic method you used did not produce the LENR effect but this one page is in no way a closed book as it pertains to LENR methodologies. Again I will say it again. All the cold fusion research and the so called Nickel Hydrogen reactors are based on Hydrogen gas in various states sent inside a reactor core of a porous or nano structured catalyst metal. Lots of tweaks to get the reaction going and controlling it but the base track is already laid...

Not sure what the report was supposed to provide as far as information goes but its not complete and doesn't provide even close to enough information to consider the numbers on it accurate.
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Just for clarity.
all you need to test this is a cardboard box and a thermometer.Thats it nothing else !!

if you know your input power to the HHO cell?

say its taking you 30 watts to make your gas? [BTW 30 watts can make a resistor white hot 1000 F or higher easily]

put the "reactor" in a washing machine sized cardboard box
just place the box over the unit. put a thermometer lead into the box .
[hang the lead inside ] seal the box to the ground with weights on the flaps.

run the "reactor".. when the heat stops rising in the box or can no longer raise it do to losses to the cold air outside the box .

write down the temp.

now take a 30 watt light bulb or soldering iron or
whatever resistive element you have handy.

run the test again.

compare your final temperature rise against ambient [temp outside the box]
this is a fixed loss to ambient test .


who won??
your Final box temps are the ruler for comparison.

A cardboard box and a thermometer = calorimetry [caloric measurement]
running both tests simultaneously is best [same conditions]

thx
Chet
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Calorimetry is fun and useful ,it would behoove you to learn these simple scientific measurement techniques.
after all the only way to make inprovements is to know where you stand in the first place.
the resistive electic heater [light bulbs even]is almost 100 percent efficient when making heat inside a cardboard box and gives you a line in the sand to beat.
Your explanation of this is very straight forward and simple. I am not ready to take it to this level of calorimetry yet. Maybe some of the other guys would like to put something together small scale.

I am a design engineer, I would rather build a fully functional on demand hho catalytic heater without worrying about how efficient or inefficient it is for the simple fact I have never seen one built, tested, or used. For me nobody can place any type of efficiency numbers on that unless it has been built and tested for the purpose of space heating and not for the purpose of mathematical models which is just multiplied out to obtain a theoretical basis for something larger in scale.

I am also aware that a tiny resistor with 30 watts passed through it can reach over 1000 f but as far as the heat radiation, it would be equivalent to a match stick burning. No way you could take that resistor or match and get a huge chunk of heavy gauge stainless steel to temps above 400 degrees.

I will run this test if somebody else doesn't get there before me but I have to finalize and seal the reaction chamber so my numbers will come out right.

Thanks again for the input and feedback.
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Do yourself a very big favor

Justin
before you invest a small fortune in time and money
go get a cardboard box at the back door of wallmart[this is where I get them]

go inside walmart and pick up one of their outdoor thermometers with
remote sensor [8-15 bucs]

doing this test is about as complicated as chewing Gum...........
and Yet it is 100% verifiable and accepted science.

There is a reason you don't see rocks with wings for sale ,and there is also a reason you don't see people taking 1000 watts of energy to make 800 watts of heat..

there is no market for waste...........

However a ten minute test might show otherwise?
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Justin
before you invest a small fortune in time and money
go get a cardboard box at the back door of wallmart[this is where I get them]

go inside walmart and pick up one of their outdoor thermometers with
remote sensor [8-15 bucs]

doing this test is about as complicated as chewing Gum...........
and Yet it is 100% verifiable and accepted science.

There is a reason you don't see rocks with wings for sale ,and there is also a reason you don't see people taking 1000 watts of energy to make 800 watts of heat..

there is no market for waste...........

However a ten minute test might show otherwise?
thx
Chet
Small fortune? lol you must not understand how I build. The development of this has been free so far and will continue to be a group effort costing no money. All I am doing is insulating the catalytic converter with high temperature padding, welding on a few caps and adding hose barbs so the cat is sealed so I will have a more refined reaction to obtain solid numbers when I throw it under that box.

I'm not going to crudely shoot hho in from six inches back and also have ambient air coming in to dilute the gas and lessen the reaction then throw that under a box and go up against another heater of the same wattage or a few bulbs of the same wattage because regardless of the outcome, the reactor isn't ready for prime time. If my numbers come out OU, proves that even in the crudest form, its worth further development but if my numbers come out against the grain, I'm still going to have to fully refine the reactor so I will know for sure if the test was accurate.

There is no market for waste? I do not agree with that statement. I can provide many instances of wasteful tactics when it comes to the energy market especially.

One very curious one is with the item I have been experimenting with. The automobile catalytic converter. The only reason they install them on automobiles is to get rid of wasted fuel which results from inefficient burn of the prime mover fuel, gasoline or diesel. You ever seen water dripping from your tailpipe? Most of us have but think about that for a moment. In order to have water dripping out the tailpipe you need Hydrogen and Oxygen to be present out the exhaust of the engine and into the catalytic converter which will recombine hydrogen and oxygen if present to form water. Which ultimately means your car is sending perfectly good flammable fuel right out the engine and if it wasn't for the catalytic converter, that toxic fuel would be poured right on the ground. Hard earned dollars are being sent right out the tailpipe.

Also notice all the waste heat generated by the internal combustion engine which could easily be converted back to electricity to produce on board hydrogen which could be mixed with the gasoline or diesel to prevent all that unburned fuel from ever making it to the exhaust.

Solar pv cells have been around for a very long time and for some reason up until recently it was hard to find one above 20 percent efficient. You really think out of all those years nobody has developed a panel of higher efficiency? Sure they have but the United States Government slapped a national security sticker on it to keep it from making it to market. If you could buy 75-95 percent efficient solar panels, who needs gas, oil, and grid electricity? lol

Man I could go on and on about how wastefulness is intentionally built into our energy generation systems and appliances. The elite don't want us to have highly efficient energy systems because they lose out on that monthly income from the customers (you and me).

Why build an automobile that will last 100 years when you can build a crappy one that is going to break down in 5-10 years and will be in constant need of expensive repairs. Most people just go out and buy a new one. Its rare to find a car over 20 years old that isn't ragged out. Cheap steel, plastic, and a billion parts means stuff is going to break. They are going to get their money one way or the other and being wasteful is the way they do it. Certainly not by building high quality, high efficient, long lasting merchandise powered by the same ethics.

Again, all I have asked for is for someone to show me an on demand hho catalytic heater, fully functional which proved to be put to shame by my 1500 watt space heater than can barely throw out 200 degree air lol.

Not going to find it because it hasn't been done. I don't need money to build. This project is fun for me and I will continue down the same path. You said it yourself, its a very easy experiment to do. I don't have to be the one to put out efficiency numbers since its so easy for anyone else to do it. I am in this to build a heater. I am not worried about the theoretical math behind why its not efficient or why its impractical. Most of that garbage is a lie anyways.

I ain't got no fortune to spend so you don't have to worry about that with me. This prototype is built out of free junk and I am having a blast brainstorming and experimenting. I think the concept is cool as a polar bears toenails. I will probably be the only person in my town and maybe even the state that has a flameless hho catalytic heater. That alone is enough for me to move forward. Nobody else has one lol.
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I appreciate the information but where is the rest of the report? This is also not data on the catalytic combustion of pure hho. H2 metered with 02 is not hho.


Not sure what the report was supposed to provide as far as information goes but its not complete and doesn't provide even close to enough information to consider the numbers on it accurate.
The rest of the pdf I don't think applies to this thread and one reason why I did not post the rest. It was for information about the reaction of H and O to form water and "energy" without "combustion" using a platinum catalyst, which is exactly what you are doing, but with the total energy going to heat and not heat and electrical power as in a hydrogen cell (which uses platinum as well).

My point is if you have to produce the H2 and O2 from electrolysis will you get more heat energy than the energy used to produce the H2 and O2 in the first place? and don't tell me it is not H2 and O2 from electrolysis of water "it is diatomic and not monatomic", the name HHO is a fallacy from 2 parts H plus 1 part O makes H2O, the reaction is 2H2O+ energy=2H2+O2. That is the final reaction in micro secounds, true it starts as monatomic H and O, but they are highly reactive and form H pairs and O pairs instantly when there is no other atom with an electron to grab.

I would take Chet's (RAMSET) advice and do his test. If you can split water into H2 and O2 using less energy than you recover, then all well and good, recombining H and O to create energy is "not the problem", making the H2 is.

I hope I have made myself clear, and by the way I am an industrial design engineer and a B.Sc of 63yrs, with ref: to your qualifications, and I do know what I'm talking about and only trying to help, so don't try to shoot me down.

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Hey Guys,

I plan to build this unit because I believe in its potential. I think at this point everyone is speculating on what will happen or what is happening. In the next month I am sure we will see more builds.

I think we can all agree on the fact that we are seeing a reaction with the setup. Its just a matter of seeing how far we can push it.



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The rest of the pdf I don't think applies to this thread and one reason why I did not post the rest. It was for information about the reaction of H and O to form water and "energy" without "combustion" using a platinum catalyst, which is exactly what you are doing, but with the total energy going to heat and not heat and electrical power as in a hydrogen cell (which uses platinum as well).

My point is if you have to produce the H2 and O2 from electrolysis will you get more heat energy than the energy used to produce the H2 and O2 in the first place? and don't tell me it is not H2 and O2 from electrolysis of water "it is diatomic and not monatomic", the name HHO is a fallacy from 2 parts H plus 1 part O makes H2O, the reaction is 2H2O+ energy=2H2+O2. That is the final reaction in micro secounds, true it starts as monatomic H and O, but they are highly reactive and form H pairs and O pairs instantly when there is no other atom with an electron to grab.

I would take Chet's (RAMSET) advice and do his test. If you can split water into H2 and O2 using less energy than you recover, then all well and good, recombining H and O to create energy is "not the problem", making the H2 is.

I hope I have made myself clear, and by the way I am an industrial design engineer and a B.Sc of 63yrs, with ref: to your qualifications, and I do know what I'm talking about and only trying to help, so don't try to shoot me down.

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Are you really going to play the I'm a big bad wise engineer card by quoting your indoctrinated education level and age? I have a bs degree in engineering too but thats just what it is to me BS lmao. Your the generation that never stood up to our government when all of this research was in its prime. They have invested trillions of dollars and built awesome technologies which have never seen the light of day. Only used to either annihilate entire countries and its peoples or propel a few greedy people around in space.

Your generation is the reason my grandmother can't leave the house because social security only gives her enough money to pay for the light bill, propane bill, and a few groceries.

Your generation is the reason she has a beat up clunker of a car that only gets 15 miles to the gallon lol. Your generation is the reason my grandmother, mother, and my sister have never even heard of hydrogen based technologies.

Don't give me the bs of how the rest of the report was irrelevant. You left out ALOT of details. REAL Professional reports can fill up entire filing cabinets and most if not all of the information in the report is directly related to each other.

I'm not trying to shoot anybody down. I'm just stating the facts. I bet you cold hard cash you have never once used a residential solar hydrogen system or have anything like that installed in your home or have used your industrial engineering skills to build anything of the like for your family and community. I bet you still pay the electric bill and you still pump toxic gasoline in your vehicle when you have lived out two of my lifetimes already. I could do some fantastic work in 30 years. I won't be playing the same worlds smallest violin for my son when he reaches my age. He will know and use these technologies that generations before him were too lazy to push out.

Why have I found out that a simple solar hydrogen storage system could have been built and put on the market decades ago, probably by your generation, for the price of a gaming console and yet the system is no where to be found? Unless you have 10-30K and buy from very limited online sources.

Why have I found reports of kilowatt or even megawatt catalytic hydrogen heaters built for use in the space industry and not a single thought was given to the poor people, you can't even buy a commercial grade hydrogen catalytic heater.

Why am I learning high power density solid oxide fuel cells can be built using parts in the junk yard and will accept any hydrocarbon fuel to produce tons of electrical power much more efficient than a internal combustion engine generator? Instead of a gasoline powered combustion engine getting 20 miles to the gallon. I could have a SOFC electric car using the same gallon of gasoline but getting me an extra 80 miles down the road with little to no pollution lol Your generation could have built the same technology using the same parts that were in the junk yard and all of this technology could have been on the shelf for me to buy and use right now.

Why can I drive up and down the coastline and not see ONE wind turbine generating power? You realize how cheap and easy a compact magnetically levitated wind turbine could be to build. They would smoke the competition in terms of power generation and yet they are no where to be found. Nobody is using them. Try to find one online and your lucky to find one less than 5k. I can build one for less than 500 bucks that produces a few kilowatts of power in low winds easily. Why didn't your generation even work to develop and place conventional alternative energy technologies like that on the market?

Don't patronize me with your "knowledge" unless its given in a positive way to encourage further development of these technologies. You old guys act as if you know it all and done it all but obviously never done a damn thing to push alternative energy into the market place.

Any idiot can see every industry of our modern world has seen a quantum leap in technological advancement and yet the energy industry is still stuck in the stone age. I'm using the same automobile technology and means of powering it as your father used but I have a super computer in my pocket that he could not even have imagined at my age.

In my opinion your report was a really low ball way of trying to tell us we are wasting our time because Mr. Industrial Engineer has been there and done that already. lol give me a break. Most of you guys are very out of touch with the reality of things. You got an extra 30 years on me, you had plenty of time to push some of these technologies out and refine them. Instead you done NOTHING but allowed the energy cartels to control your life and destiny. Not me, I will bend over no more.

Your report provided us with little to no information on the process and the end product I am trying to develop. Which by the way, still no one has been able to show me evidence on one ever built and tested.

Its not even just about the heating as I keep telling people. cheap and easy purification of H2 is possible using this effect. We can junk out cats and hard drives to make really powerful fuel cells that can power something larger than a cell phone lol.

In short, do not act as if you have done the work because you are a super fly Industrial Engineering O.G. and the case is closed!lol. Obviously you didn't do anything worthwhile because ain't a damn thing changed but the rent. Thanks for your input but I know our government has been using and developing all these technologies way before you were even thought about and none of it ever made it to market. The reason behind that ain't got anything to do with inefficiencies, expense to develop, or impracticality.
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Hey Guys,

I plan to build this unit because I believe in its potential. I think at this point everyone is speculating on what will happen or what is happening. In the next month I am sure we will see more builds.

I think we can all agree on the fact that we are seeing a reaction with the setup. Its just a matter of seeing how far we can push it.



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And I encourage you to do so. Its a really interesting effect that can be used for all sorts of things other than heating. We can push it further than any of us think possible. The problem has always been a population not ready and unwilling to push it that far. I think the generation right now has the knowledge and wits to do it.

The United States Government is the primary reason the market hasn't seen a flood of alternative energy technologies on a global scale. Until one of us figures out a way to build it with junk and tell everyone else, they are going to continue ignoring us and stealing our money to develop even more fantastic technologies which most people cannot even begin to comprehend. This was really my first post in this forum. I usually stay away from these forums because they all seem to be full of mostly "Talkers" and no "Do'ers". So much theoretical hype and no tangible useful technologies to be found. Not to say there aren't some highly qualified experimenters here but not much meat on the bone as far as technologies with some real energy densities that can be cheaply and easily built using junk or off the shelf parts.

For the most part if you want to get some leds to flash and a small battery to charge, these forums provide a wealth of information. I'm interested in all forms of energy technologies but when it comes to homebrew generating, storing, and using Hydrogen. You are out of luck with most of these forums.
I posted this information because I thought it was simple, significant and relevant. Through my own experiments it has some vast potentials. Don't let anyone tell you the effect is useless and has been done before. I would have never said anything to anyone if I was able to find really good information and experiments. I even searched for this effect on nearly all of the top rated alternative energy forums and not a soul was talking about it. Its been swept away from the public eye for a reason. Nobody is going to persuade my opinion otherwise. Thanks again for your interest.
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And I encourage you to do so. Its a really interesting effect that can be used for all sorts of things other than heating. We can push it further than any of us think possible. The problem has always been a population not ready and unwilling to push it that far. I think the generation right now has the knowledge and wits to do it.

The United States Government is the primary reason the market hasn't seen a flood of alternative energy technologies on a global scale. Until one of us figures out a way to build it with junk and tell everyone else, they are going to continue ignoring us and stealing our money to develop even more fantastic technologies which most people cannot even begin to comprehend. This was really my first post in this forum. I usually stay away from these forums because they all seem to be full of mostly "Talkers" and no "Do'ers". So much theoretical hype and no tangible useful technologies to be found. Not to say there aren't some highly qualified experimenters here but not much meat on the bone as far as technologies with some real energy densities that can be cheaply and easily built using junk or off the shelf parts.

For the most part if you want to get some leds to flash and a small battery to charge, these forums provide a wealth of information. I'm interested in all forms of energy technologies but when it comes to homebrew generating, storing, and using Hydrogen. You are out of luck with most of these forums.
I posted this information because I thought it was simple, significant and relevant. Through my own experiments it has some vast potentials. Don't let anyone tell you the effect is useless and has been done before. I would have never said anything to anyone if I was able to find really good information and experiments. I even searched for this effect on nearly all of the top rated alternative energy forums and not a soul was talking about it. Its been swept away from the public eye for a reason. Nobody is going to persuade my opinion otherwise. Thanks again for your interest.

I will see it completed to spec and data log everything plus youtube videos. Its a neat project and I grateful you decided to share it with us.



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I make my living as an industrial design engineer too, and that's worth about 2 cents. In my youth I worked in a factory that built home furnaces and air conditioners. In my opinion, if the converter can produce 900 + degrees on 200 watts worth of hho then that is a winner. No other proof needed!

The furnaces I used to build are extremely simple. They are basically just a heat exchanger consisting of a half dozen flattened sheet steel tubes (about 18-20 GA mild steel) pinched near the lower end to slow down the air heated by combustion so the tubes can absorb the heat. The gas/air mix is distributed through burners which are really just small diameter tubes with a row of small holes in them. These burners are located directly below the heat exchanger, one burner per exchanger tube. The heat exchanger tubes are mounted in a frame at top and bottom to separate the combustion air from room air. Outside of the exchanger is a cheap thermal switch to shut off the gas valve if the tubes get too hot. Another thermal switch turns the blower on and off. These switches are off-the-shelf items. A blower blows intake air over the heat exchanger tubes and out to the house. All joints between the exchanger and the room air are sealed with thin fiberglass insulation, and the whole thing is held together with #8 and #10 hex head sheet metal screws.
Put it all in a light weight steel case with some thin foil covered fiberglass insulation on the inside of it, add some simple circuitry and you have a furnace.

It wouldn't take much to substitute a steel tube with a length of catalyst in the bottom of it to take the place of the burner tubes and exchanger tubes.

Some food for thought. Might be useful to someone.

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"I ain't got no fortune to spend so you don't have to worry about that with me. This prototype is built out of free junk and I am having a blast brainstorming and experimenting. I think the concept is cool as a polar bears toenails. I will probably be the only person in my town and maybe even the state that has a flameless hho catalytic heater. That alone is enough for me to move forward. Nobody else has one lol."

I have to buy certain things for my projects. But for the most part, almost everything I use is slated for the garbage. It's incredible what is considered junk. If i only had the room, I would have a warehouse full of stuff.

I just dug out an old 7 plate cell that I built years ago, and I'm getting a cat soon.
Good stuff jcb,
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Why are you blaming folks that live in another country for you Grandmas problems in the USA?
hows a guy in Spain Mike Nunnerley [a country that bought into Solar power lock, stock and barrel] have anything to do with your problems in the USA?

I think you are alienating total strangers for no reason whatsoever.
Not good, not good at all.

Too much anger flying at all the wrong folks.

Regarding your elec heater that ""only makes 200 degrees with 1500 watts""

take the 30 feet of resistive wire in that heater and snip off 1 inch and run 10 watts thru it ,.....
it will run your laser thermometer to default [overtemp no read] white hot ...not red hot.

in your catalytic heater you are looking at a quarter sized target making 1000F with 200 watts [your latest comment].

do the test Justin....................

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I will leave you alone now ,my offer to help with the testing still stands.
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Chet what is your problem man? He has already told you several times he will do the test when he feels he is ready. Why are you hounding him? If the test is so important to you then why don't you do it yourself? I would like to see some testing too so I already am looking for a cat and think I have a source for some. I also already have a HHO cell to use with it. When I get everything together I will do my own tests and see what we get. I for one am very appreciative that JDC even cared enough to share this info with us. I don't see any reason to continue to harass him about some test to satisfy your desire for information.

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I offered to get in my car and drive down to NC USA to help with this test.
I do not sit ldly by making demands.

as I stated in the post before yours, I am not asking anymore ,let peeps go out and spend their time and money as they see fit.
just be careful ..Justin Plays with this all the time ,a novice can get seriously hurt here.





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Citfta

I offered to get in my car and drive down to NC USA to help with this test.
I do not sit ldly by making demands.

as I stated in the post before yours, I am not asking anymore ,let peeps go out and spend their time and money as they see fit.
just be careful ..Justin Plays with this all the time ,a novice can get seriously hurt here.





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Chet,

Can you please give some safety advise to us HHO newbies. I have made HHO in the past but have never fed it into something like this.

Thank you!



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Why are you blaming folks that live in another country for you Grandmas problems in the USA?
hows a guy in Spain Mike Nunnerley [a country that bought into Solar power lock, stock and barrel] have anything to do with your problems in the USA?

I think you are alienating total strangers for no reason whatsoever.
Not good, not good at all.

Too much anger flying at all the wrong folks.

Regarding your elec heater that ""only makes 200 degrees with 1500 watts""

take the 30 feet of resistive wire in that heater and snip off 1 inch and run 10 watts thru it ,.....
it will run your laser thermometer to default [overtemp no read] white hot ...not red hot.

in your catalytic heater you are looking at a quarter sized target making 1000F with 200 watts [your latest comment].

do the test Justin....................

thx
Chet
You really misinterpreted what I said. I said THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IS THE SOLE REASON NOBODY ON THE PLANET USES ANY OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES.

This isn't about solar and wind. Those technologies are crutches which have also seen really no grand advancement in terms of efficiency or implementation over the years, but that is a different story.

You stated on the phone about going to go look or knowing someone else that was going to go review some "anti-gravity" technology lol

The United States spends more on military defense than all the other modern countries in the world COMBINED. Trillions upon trillions upon trillions of dollars.

Where is all that money coming from? US the taxpayers and other smaller countries they have infiltrated and stolen from.

What are they doing with all that money since most of the people within the country are broke and living in really terrible living conditions considering our country is supposed to be the military super power of the world?

I know what they are doing with that money and it isn't just building multi-million dollar tomahawk missiles to assassinate an entire village of innocent by standers because they were looking for some terrorist boogie man hiding out in a hole.

Our government spends that money researching and developing very exotic and very expensive technologies not just in the fields of energy generation and utilization but other technologies straight out of star-trek.

They have been doing this since the early 1900's and it was really ramped up back in the days of WWII when our government invited all the Nazi scientists and engineers over here with a free pass as long as they helped the dumb Americans in the development of weapons of mass destruction. Which by the way they dropped on a tiny defenseless Asian country when it should have been the Nazis lol.

Go back in time and read about all the weird stuff being developed back in those days and how they experimented on the population and soldiers. In fact its still being done today. A lot of young soldiers died because our government decided it was a good idea to play a game of biological warfare on their own troops without consent.

Fast-forward to 2014 and consider how far they have advanced. I use DARPA as a reference because a lot of people know who they are. They don't just build stupid little robots. Teleportation and mind transfer technologies is just to name a few of the exotic research and development our Military is involved with.

The Hydrogen technologies are much more powerful than anyone realizes and have also been endlessly been researched and developed for nearly 100 years.
A lot has been figured out and as I keep reiterating, none of it EVER made it to market. Nobody else on the planet is really using Hydrogen based technologies either. Sure everyone is raving about Solar and Wind all across the Globe but big daddy United States ain't giving up the good stuff yet.

The sad part is we as citizens have bought and paid for all of it and never used or seen any of it. Only going through FBI and CIA declassified documents provides any insight to this.

Nobody finds it curious that our means of energy generation hasn't changed in over 100 years? lol Our government spends more money than any other country in the world combined and we are still pumping gas in our cars lol. Its time for everyone to wake up.

Time and time in my research I have to go up against people with an even nastier outlook and attitude than me that basically tell me my research is old news, nothing to it, inefficient. They usually provide me with their credentials, age, and supporting data to back up their claims.

As I read all this data I realize it really has nothing to do with what I'm trying to accomplish and just like my main mans report earlier, its like 1 page of theoretical numbers. Somehow I'm supposed to accept that as the final say. lol. yeah right.

Thats about all anyone can provide me with. Poorly engineered corporate reports. And excuse me if I don't feel that some of these people are merely trying to "help". Some of my comments within this thread have been very respectful when the person making the comment isn't attacking the work.

I want to see the video evidence of this stuff if people claim there is nothing to it. Most cannot provide me with that, only a page of numbers which is somehow supposed to prove they are right and I am wrong. Again, most of these energy forums are full of theoretical ideas and no tangible proof to back up the claims. Everybody has an opinion when no one has even touched the technology.

I was involved in customer service and technical support for a while after coming out of the field and I was amazed that 90 percent of the workforce was off the street personnel that had never seen or installed the exact same equipment they were trying to troubleshoot over the phone with customers lol. How can you know something works or doesn't work if you have never seen or used it?

As I keep saying is I am in this to build a catalytic hho heater, not to pinpoint Over Unity. Every report and claim that has been issued in this thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with that effect in its use in home space heating.


How in the world can anyone say there is nothing to the effect when nobody can cough up any data or video on actual on demand catalytic hho heaters? lmao, show me one before sending me some garbage theoretical numbers and some benchtop tests done decades ago.

I am provided with reports and information on tiny one wire reactors and tiny diluted down reactor tubes.

I am not here to make friends. If you make a comment and I don't agree with something. I am going to fire back and tell you why. What I'm finding out is I speak the truth and when I point the finger back at the other side of the fence with the truth, they get upset and angry. Don't tell me that guy earlier was trying to help by posting his one page report. He was trying to insult my intelligence as well as woopy's. I take offense to that and use my words to insult you back. I am pretty good at that.

You also told me earlier that Energy Waste is not marketable and I think I may have struck a nerve when I fired back with absolute proof that we are given junk technologies by the corporations that purposely waste fuel and energy so we have to keep coming back for more of the toxic drugs. Of course energy waste is marketable for them. Certainty not for us, they are bleeding us dry.

I will say it again. The technologies I'm after should have been put on the market decades ago for affordable prices. Nobody in this world is going to tell me its too expensive and inefficient to be of practical use after 100 years of research and development by our government because the fact is they are still building and using the stuff today.

It is a fact that I cannot walk into any store around this country and walk out with even something as simple as a solar hydrogen system, which again I know can be built for less than the price of a gaming console.

All these goons that try to attack the Hydrogen research have also never used or been able to purchase the technology either so they have absolutely no business making assumptions unless they are truly trying to help and encourage further development.

The people of this country should be pissed off at our government and military for "Wasting" all of our money on research which is only being used by a small group of people.

NOOOOOOO don't attack the government. Attack the poor garage engineer exposing all this stuff for what it is. People need to stop lying to their-selves. This is the reality of the world we live in. Prison Planet? Absolutely!

Take the shackles off and realize we have been duped.

Again I am not here to make friends. I am here to spread information which seems to be missing from the public eye. I am not the type of person you want to catch on the wrong side of the curve. I speak my opinions and will attack when provoked. I've made grown men cry and pout because I stood up to their bullying and ignorance. I do will not tolerate anyone anymore trying to smear progress when I realize they really don't know what they are talking about in the first place.

You wanna say I'm alienating people then so be it. I've been alienated my whole life in this country because the stupid citizens keep buying into the propaganda. We keep buying the oil and gasoline. We keep accepting Nuclear Fission. We are not demanding alternatives and it seems the older generation of this country is trying to absolutely discredit new progress and discoveries. They need to stand down because they obviously didn't lead the way for a brighter future for my generation and others to come.

P.S. My grandmother is a sweet lady and her current situation is just one example of many in this country that can't get a break because they keep getting stiffed by the government and energy cartels. We could have torn down those walls decades ago if the citizens of this country would wake up out of their trance and grow a spine. I also do not really care about this so called test. I want a damn on demand hho catalytic heater and I am going to build one since nobody seems to have done it before. I don't care if I shut down my entire city with the current surge it pulls when it fires on. Still waiting for that video evidence and reports lol. You want the efficiency tests done build a hho generator and rip the cat off your gasoline clunker you have sitting in the yard. I am not here to obey orders from anyone else. I do what I want. I will get to it when I get to it, The information has been out for almost a month now and it doesn't look like anyone else has done the tests either. Most people are dumbfounded by it.

Thanks for your raging comments. I like it when it gets a little emotional. Makes me feel like I'm doing something right....
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Chet what is your problem man? He has already told you several times he will do the test when he feels he is ready. Why are you hounding him? If the test is so important to you then why don't you do it yourself? I would like to see some testing too so I already am looking for a cat and think I have a source for some. I also already have a HHO cell to use with it. When I get everything together I will do my own tests and see what we get. I for one am very appreciative that JDC even cared enough to share this info with us. I don't see any reason to continue to harass him about some test to satisfy your desire for information.

Respectfully, Carroll
I appreciate you trying to take up for me. I can stand my own ground lol. I can flip switches with my words so I do it whenever possible. When people feel like they are insulted, they react. Most of the feedback again has been very positive and I appreciate everyone that has looked into this information. I have been in the research long enough to know that you cannot please some people no matter how hard you try.

Some people want to feel like they have a superior understanding of something and will attack with cheap shots of negativity to try to discourage further study for the victim or for the newcomers that come along later and read the information. What I'm finding out quickly is that a lot of people that you would think have a firm grip on the technology or information in question, really have been playing everyone else for a fool. They really are playing it by ear and know just enough of the lingo to make others think they know something important.

That is why they say knowledge is power. Without knowledge its easier to be persuaded by someone else. If you don't know yourself, how can you question someone else who claims they have been at it forever and can provide at least a small portion of data that you have never seen before. You open the report and its full of magical numbers and pretty graphs so it must mean the person giving it to you knows something lol.

This research and the egos in it is like a Soap Opera lol. Its sad but true. Thanks again for the encouragement, This information is for the people of the world, not just for me to dabble in. I know the basics of almost all exotic and alternative energy technologies but when It comes to Hydrogen, none of the technology and branches of it have ever been on the market for use by the masses, so how can anyone pass judgement or numbers on paper if they cannot cough up the physical equipment or video of the equipment used in the test. Most people have never had access to some of this stuff so I know when people are giving me the business...I just want to see legitimate work being done with the concept that is all...
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I make my living as an industrial design engineer too, and that's worth about 2 cents. In my youth I worked in a factory that built home furnaces and air conditioners. In my opinion, if the converter can produce 900 + degrees on 200 watts worth of hho then that is a winner. No other proof needed!

The furnaces I used to build are extremely simple. They are basically just a heat exchanger consisting of a half dozen flattened sheet steel tubes (about 18-20 GA mild steel) pinched near the lower end to slow down the air heated by combustion so the tubes can absorb the heat. The gas/air mix is distributed through burners which are really just small diameter tubes with a row of small holes in them. These burners are located directly below the heat exchanger, one burner per exchanger tube. The heat exchanger tubes are mounted in a frame at top and bottom to separate the combustion air from room air. Outside of the exchanger is a cheap thermal switch to shut off the gas valve if the tubes get too hot. Another thermal switch turns the blower on and off. These switches are off-the-shelf items. A blower blows intake air over the heat exchanger tubes and out to the house. All joints between the exchanger and the room air are sealed with thin fiberglass insulation, and the whole thing is held together with #8 and #10 hex head sheet metal screws.
Put it all in a light weight steel case with some thin foil covered fiberglass insulation on the inside of it, add some simple circuitry and you have a furnace.

It wouldn't take much to substitute a steel tube with a length of catalyst in the bottom of it to take the place of the burner tubes and exchanger tubes.

Some food for thought. Might be useful to someone.

Regards
This is the type of comments I like to see. Someone using their professional expertise to apply it to the task at hand and offer support. It is amazing how simple some of the furnace and boilers can be. Now if we could only get all of them fired by Hydrogen or HHO we would be in business.

A dedicated forum was setup by a fellow researcher to discuss this effect and its applications more. I was reluctant to join at first but very glad I did. Some of these larger energy forums make it hard for like minded people to find something to focus in on since its flooded with all sorts of things. Anyways one of the individuals in the forum suggested we look at something called a clay pot heater. Really interesting design. A little candle sits underneath a suspended clay pot. Inside the middle of the pot is a bolt and washer array which is used as the primary heat exchanger. The heat from the candle heats up the metal which in turn absorbs into the clay pot to be radiated out into the room. Apprently the little clay pots give off a excellent amount of heat. We were thinking about replacing the candle with a tiny pancake hho generator 50 watts or less in power rating and let gas exhaust up in the same direction as the flame, only the gas is absorbed by a small catalysts substrate the same size as the bolt/washer array. Should work beautifully and about as cheap as your going to get. Should also be much safer than the open flame design. I'm telling you a HHO Catalytic Flower Pot Heater would fly off the shelf lol.
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Thereís nothing wrong with being somewhat emotional.

Most of the time I like to experiment with the Tesla / Eric Dollard devices, however prior to getting into those I used to dabble with Joe cells & HHO cells. So I have found this thread and the experimental observations of this catalytic hho heater rather interesting and feel pretty happy about it. - So Iíd like to congratulate jdcproducts for sharing his observations and experiments. Thatís the whole point of this forum.

Iíll certainly be passing on & sharing this information with the ASTRO group (70+ members) here in South Australia, as many of our members have experimented with HHO and thus already have the basic generators all ready to go. Iím sure some of them will test it out and see for themselves. Hey, youíve got me wanting to dust of my old HHO generator and see what happens.

Good luck to those who might give it a try, I'm certainly looking forward to seeing the various experimental results.

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@jdcproducts,

Thank you for providing information about catalyzes and hho.

I have a small electrolyze unit that was built for hho injection
into a car motor. I never installed the unit into my car because of
laws saying no can't do.

Do you know if this sort of units can make approx. a liter of hho gas / minute?
I also did find a local store that sells catalyzes. I did send them an email
asking for data sheets on the catalyzes in the store. Got a answer back that,
gee, we do not know. lol So I requested them to find out from the
manufacturer of the cat. Waiting for answers on what inside the catalyzes.

Do you have safety tips regarding productions of hho?

Thanks,
GL.
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Why are you blaming folks that live in another country for you Grandmas problems in the USA?
hows a guy in Spain Mike Nunnerley [a country that bought into Solar power lock, stock and barrel] have anything to do with your problems in the USA?

I think you are alienating total strangers for no reason whatsoever.
Not good, not good at all.

Too much anger flying at all the wrong folks.

Regarding your elec heater that ""only makes 200 degrees with 1500 watts""

take the 30 feet of resistive wire in that heater and snip off 1 inch and run 10 watts thru it ,.....
it will run your laser thermometer to default [overtemp no read] white hot ...not red hot.

in your catalytic heater you are looking at a quarter sized target making 1000F with 200 watts [your latest comment].

do the test Justin....................

thx
Chet
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I will leave you alone now ,my offer to help with the testing still stands.
Any my apologies to the gentleman for assuming he was American. What he posted is something an American would post. Still wasn't useful or positive information in way it was presented. My bad but everything I said applies to people on a global level, not just within the country that is holding everyone else on the planet back.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:54 AM
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Will this work for the HHO?

21 Plate HHO Hydrogen Generator SEALED Dry Cell Kit Watch Video | eBay

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Thank you for providing information about catalyzes and hho.

I have a small electrolyze unit that was built for hho injection
into a car motor. I never installed the unit into my car because of
laws saying no can't do.

Do you know if this sort of units can make approx. a liter of hho gas / minute?
I also did find a local store that sells catalyzes. I did send them an email
asking for data sheets on the catalyzes in the store. Got a answer back that,
gee, we do not know. lol So I requested them to find out from the
manufacturer of the cat. Waiting for answers on what inside the catalyzes.

Do you have safety tips regarding productions of hho?

Thanks,
GL.
I really can't say for sure without looking at the hho unit. The mason jars with a spiral of wire is about the only design that will not produce much gas. Usually any type of brick cell will be able to handle 50-100 watts easy. Got a picture, link, or video of the cell?

It has been difficult getting manufacturer information on the type and amount of catalyst noble metals (platinum and palladium). I didn't check where your from but around here we can get them out of the junk yard. Don't hard earned spend money on something if you don't have to.

If you are looking to buy something brand new stick with well known name brands and when it comes to the precious metals, realize the cheaper models will probably not have as much of the noble metals as a more expensive one.
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