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Old 01-01-2014, 04:39 AM
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Lets start the new year with a bang!

I am an electrician I don't even make any claims to the vaunted title of 'engineer' I used to work on oil rigs some times however for my sins of writing openly on forums particularly this one I got 'Blacked' that's an unofficial list that virtually makes you unemployable which like the linear wave isn't supposed to exist .. yeah right !
To those of you who have been kind enough to read my performances some I must confess scribbled drunk and some stone cold sober and very angry I am very obliged.
I promised at the start of this trip that you would be in for a 'hell of a ride' I didn't really fully comprehend what a dangerous and frightening drive it would be for me. Put yourself In my shoe's for a moment , unemployed and somewhat down at heel , and you win a huge lottery ticket .. your saved! Ah but then your asked to give every ha’p’orth of it away , Not even a button left to give your children. For all the comments on here of people being selfish and greedy and playing mind games ask yourself this … If it was you could you give the only thing you had ever won in your life away?
Except this isn't even 'won' by chance Its hard fought for, and Its a question many have had to face I suspect , you have seen Matt and David claim success and clam up and then go ''the investment route' I don't blame them at all as I said .. Its a big .. Its a huge ask and that route is a holding cell for the gollum that’s Inside of us all. Its possible to convince yourself your 'developing and perfecting' for the sake of all whilst actually keeping the precious ring .. well hidden. Well I've tried each of the pieces of this .. or at least as far as I can I durst not build the whole thing .. yet. If I am right and I am very sure of it .. and it works as I predict , could I trust myself to give it away?
In this hard fought battle I have been helped by many but before I could become a trooper I didn't realise I had to do a great deal of basic training. I like to think I have many friends on this particular forum. In truth I have few in real life I have been far to busy engaged in this war .. one way or another.
One of the most shocking and really frightening discoveries I made was this is nothing what so ever to do with energy. It is all to do with good and evil, (and in the case of energy it happens to take the form of greed) . To be a free people or to be slaves? A frightening concept stares us right in the face .. will our son's or daughters even understand the concept of something that used to be called privacy ? Never mind freedom.
At that point I really felt the battle to be a rout but have kept doggedly at the task battering my head yet again against the wall, luckily there are but few brain cells inside to be disturbed, In fact were there to be another one , It would be lonely. Every one knows free energy researchers are deranged lunatics anyway don't they?
However Soon their smirks will change to astonishment I promise. In days if I'm right and in weeks if I'm wrong.
Gradually I have learned who the enemy is, where he is, I like to think I’ve managed a few pot shots
in the right general direction. I have also I think wounded some good friends accidentally and for reasons they are perhaps still puzzled about ..( sorry orion not your fault at all).
There are a few battle tactics I have watched that don't work, The video for instance … It doesn't
why ? Because Its a mind twist and if there is any possible way for humanity to believe its a trick
then they will, The reason ? The alternatives are far to unpalatable to contemplate ! If free energy exists then the rest of the odious stinking midden heap is also true. (and it is I'm afraid. I know it is because I’ve had one or minor successes, enough to know which way to point my cap anyway.)
They are then obliged to fight! Rather as when Germany invaded Poland Britain was obliged to fight. So will you be for the sake of your sons daughters and grandchildren.
So you see in the war 'free energy' is just a skirmish never the less it is one I am now determined to help win regardless of cost. I’ve been working quietly alone planning how I might secretly change the course of the fight entirely. I thought of old battle tactics that might be used that could overwhelm and utterly destroy the enemy at one go. And hopeful before he could destroy me,although no doubt he will destroy me, I'll try to ensure its a Pyrrhic victory.
so you can see the plan and be part of it. here is what I conceived the battle tactic is based on one from nearly a hundred years ago combined with one of seventy years ago I rather hope it catches the enemy (tptb) by surprise the first world war was in full swing, It was a bitter conflict that developed into two trenches stretching for many miles a total stale mate, exactly as we have on these forums … power in … power out rubbish , sell your machine make a fortune , well I'm sure you all know the banter be you friend or foe as we take pot shots and lob the odd Mortar at each other.
Well I remembered an action called the ' Lochnagar mine ' It wasn't particularly successful at the time but I think it has possibilities here providing my side is prepared to quickly assemble and help,
by doing the right thing, not the profitable thing but the right thing! If not my sacrifice is for naught.
At Lochnagar a team of British basically 'coal miners' tunnelled quietly across no man's land, then working as quietly as mice they dug a cavern under the German trench. Of course every morsel of earth had to be carried back to the British lines and disposed of surreptitiously so as not to arouse the suspicions of the enemy and particularly their observation pilots , The British then began to quietly fill the cavern with tons and tons of high explosive. At 7.30 in the morning On the first of July 1916 exactly 97 ½ years ago today … the plunger was pressed, Nearly a hundred years later this is a picture of that attempt to break the stalemate



Lochnagar Crater, La Boisselle, Somme Battlefields

I thought perhaps such a tactic might prevail here and so I've been quietly assembling the explosives under the enemy trench , win or lose I'm sure the opposition tptb (the powers that be) won't like this bang very much.
you may then be wondering what the other vintage tactic is I try to bring into play why it was called
kamikaze all my own personnel dreams are sacrificed.
I have committed my explosives to a PDF I have published it under my own name most I have come to the conclusion these guys know who you are anyway If you think your anonymous think again ! of the protagonists at Lochnagar most were vaporised in the conflict .. at least I have the option to be known. I view that as a great privilege.
In one page I have dissembled the Steve Mark TPU for you, with a rough explanation of its operation . But that alone won't take and hold the enemy line I'm sure!
I go on to explain how each part fits into the whole of the machine. IMHO that still won't hold the line either! I go on to describe some of the detective work involved in the investigation of Steve Mark and the material he must have stolen from his company and how its used …. perhaps then enough to blow the line but not to hold it, .. I go on to explain the resonance and the waves that have been hidden from you and the way they fit into the whole issue .. you see I want you to fully understand each step. Savour each morsel. Whilst our oppressors taste only ashes.
I get hold of lenz law by its scuff and turn it back on its self .. and show you how its done and why.
I still didn't think that would be sufficient to take and hold the line … Its the core of the lies and filth of this part of the conflict that needs exposing the Dupe Albert Einstein who in turn has duped all of us.
I am more a hewer of wood and drawer of water than a man of science still I often watch EPD and hope little gems of the man's genius might rub off on me , Not in a higher maths form you understand but in such a way I can understand and give form to the lies of Einstein such that others might see and clearly understand the filthy tricks being played out on humanity by so called 'public servants' if this bloated filth is the servants one wonders what the masters are like?
Its certainly extremely difficult to drag them and their criminal bankster friends away from the teats
of society at large



I here then add substantial weight to Professor Dollards work in my own humble way and identify the illusion and try to give it form.
youngsters who's pencils are still sharp can quickly resolve the distance of the deception given the direction I would hope. They can run much faster and harder than I.

Here's what I would like you to do next then … first and most importantly down load this PDF next download any of the pertaining web pages you might feel you need to learn the material. Because they are sure to be attacked in order to render the PDF worthless.(That is really why I introduced and explain the whole concept on the first page!)

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Duncan's real doughnut.pdf

Digest and understand as much of what I have written as you can .. check it out any which way you like. .. I have explained each step as an engineering progression So you can understand why and how and then adapt to what materials you have.

I wish you all a Happy, and I hope very different new year ! Bless Duncan.

PS .. for some reason the link on induced magnetism didn't survive the conversion to PDF .. here it is again

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Duncan,
Neither Matt nor I have given up, nor have we sold out to the powers that be. Matt is busy right now with his farm, and I have been concentrating on this generator project. If and when we have something that is PROVEN to work, we will probably dump it here. I have had a major company providing me with parts and things that I have needed, but haven't had to sign away anything to get that contribution. I suppose they could eventually try and steal away the design and patent it, but I have made no promises not to disclose. So we're still around and working on things.

I posted (just today) on the 3BGS thread EXACTLY where I truly believe we need to concentrate our research efforts. Haven't read your pdf yet, but looking forward to it.

I have been sharing anything I come up with in emails to a whole group of folks, but so far nothing to write home to mom about. If I discover something incredible, a whole mess of folks will know about it. Never fear.

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Don't get to bent out of shape David (either of you) . Your going a route I probably would myself
as I say I stopped before finally proving the thing .. I don't think I could then trust myself to be able to 'give it away' after all nobody has managed to yet, have they? Something s always stopped them.
One way or another, There's no criticism implied David so please don’t take it so .
As for Matt he states quite openly that he removes posts and information because Its 'worth money' you know its so ! I'll link to the posts if you insist Do you think I could trust myself not to do the same thing? after all I'm only human (ish) myself
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You may not know just how committed to the investigation of this stuff I really am. So I will make you this offer. You know my email address. If you want to walk me step by step through the construction of the device you believe will work, I will happily incur the expense of purchasing the specific parts if you will point them out to me. I would follow your directions for the build and post pictures and results here so that everyone can see. I believe I have most of the meters and measuring equipment I would need to complete such a project. As I see it, the first step would be the magnetic material for a torrid? If so, do you have any idea where to obtain such? If not, what IS the first step. I say let's get cracking. Time's a wasting.

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You may not know just how committed to the investigation of this stuff I really am. So I will make you this offer. You know my email address. If you want to walk me step by step through the construction of the device you believe will work, I will happily incur the expense of purchasing the specific parts if you will point them out to me. I would follow your directions for the build and post pictures and results here so that everyone can see. I believe I have most of the meters and measuring equipment I would need to complete such a project. As I see it, the first step would be the magnetic material for a torrid? If so, do you have any idea where to obtain such? If not, what IS the first step. I say let's get cracking. Time's a wasting.

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David I am also assembling material to put this together . As I describe the magnetic material Steve mark would have used initially would have been 'Purloined' from the speaker factory where he worked (actually the material you see the loudspeaker electromagnet wound on) MJN thinks It could have been done later using iron and some thing called 'nuclear acoustic resonance' I have no Idea what that is ! As for myself I have elected to try with “pure Iron” because it obviously has to be very 'soft magnetic' material . Iron is also not easy to obtain however I have 2 meters of 20mm Iron Bar which I am going to try with . I don’t have he means to bend it though . And it needs a forge so It can cool very slowly or else It'll lose the very properties I need to preserve. … so I took the Iron to a black smith … very busy .. after Christmas .
Anyway David magnetic materials have changed out of all recognition since my schooling and its not a subject I'm well boned up on anyway but I have posted this across three forums and I'm sure there's a magnetic guy who knows more than I do .. that bomb went off just about Now!

(now two forums .. my post seems to have been taken down from overunity.com) for reasons unknown
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Its back up again now … yeah Its not really a cost thing David .. well apart from bespoke magnetic components that is, Its actually finding alternatives that everyone else can get hold of . I have obviously been thinking quite hard about possible alternatives . And one of the possible alternatives I came up with was two links of an old Iron anchor chain, they could then be cut in half making something like four Leedskalnin PMH s although not a toroid (which is Ideal) they could be wound like PMHs and then put together as the toroid is. I did find some anchor chain but alas when I tested it with a magnet it was not very pure , much better than Mild steel which is quite useless obviously, but this Iron was still to retentive to my mind ! I'm sure you remember I was hunting a big toroid a while ago David ? This was at the back of my mind then. You sent me a link if you remember ?
I couldn't get the full specifications of the thing and so couldn't work out if it was viable or not . And although it was big .. not really big enough
Magnetic engineering at high frequency is a bit of a specialist field. I don't even see much in the way of B/H curves and magnetic frequency response times on the WWW,
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Would the iron core from an old transformer be suitable for an attempted build? I would think so. Would it be okay to chop the transformer core with a bandsaw? I tried to use a hacksaw on a transformer one time and that stuff is hard to saw. I also have some small ferrite beads and odd pieces. Do they need to fit tightly? Do you have any thoughts on that?
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Would the iron core from an old transformer be suitable for an attempted build? I would think so. Would it be okay to chop the transformer core with a bandsaw? I tried to use a hacksaw on a transformer one time and that stuff is hard to saw. I also have some small ferrite beads and odd pieces. Do they need to fit tightly? Do you have any thoughts on that?
Hi wayne this paste from another thread for .. you to dwell on, as The concept wasn't grasped by a few others there .. there is very fast flux change going on here and I doubt a normal mains transformer core would come close you should see exactly why from this..


Oh .. please don' t think I chide you, Its not so .. I want you to clearly understand .. Its far far simpler than gauss and the like … so don't worry your pretty heads so!

We could form a small chain of nails and paperclips as shown below:



You really don't need to make things complicated So dont! Do you think a fool such as myself could possibly work it out if it was complicated ? And luckily
'What one fool can do, another can (ancient simian proverb) quoted by Silvanus P Thomson a FE resercher of note hmself


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This is so easy you rush by but don't see . You see the Bar magnet holding Iron nails ? If you very gently removed the bar magnet from the top nail why all of the nails would Immediately separate and fall to the floor …. that’s because Iron is a 'Soft magnetic material' this is what our four separate cores are made of . Soft magnetic material .
The other end of the magnet is Holding paper clips , They are not made of Iron they are made of mild steel MS It is a very different kettle of fish ! if you carefully remove the magnet all the paper clips will remain stuck together, they will remain magnetised because Mild steel is a very hard magnetic material . Exactly what we do not want .
Now so you under stand a little better what is occurring picture the particular Iron nail the arrow is pointing at to be one of the four electromagnets I have drawn , (in fact one of the electromagnets supplying the load) what would happen to the poles of that Iron nail if the one above it and the one below it reversed polarity ? Why it would have to instantly reverse poles itself.
Now to take your Imagination just one step further I'm sure most have an Idea how a transformer works ,, or rather how we are taught it works … now imagine that nail to be the secondary core of a transformer . With windings on it . Each time the flux changes direction .. why It induces a voltage
and the formula for the voltage produced is

EMF = -T
..............dt

.. where T is the number of turns
dΦ is the changing magnetic flux
dt is the time it changes in

For those who hate to tangle with calculus in any shape or form

E = Turns x (Φ1-Φ2) is quite sufficient where Φ1 and Φ2 are the minimum and maximum flux
.................(t1 – t2) whilst t1 and t2 are the times of each cycle

For those who would like to 'bone up' a little more on Transformer theory you can fill ya boots here ..

EMF Equation of Transformer | Turns Voltage Transformation Ratio of Transformer | Electrical Engineering
So now do you grasp how simple it really is ? There is no need to get complex .. there is nothing complex or complicated happening here or else I couldn't possibly under stand it I assure you.
Now perhaps you also see why Steve Mark was so busily engaged in working out turns ratio's It is essentially a transformer action.. although much faster than you would normally be used to . Which is why as I say I am struggling to find suitable core material. I hope that clears things a little bit for you all. and lets you see whats required and why ! PS Steve Mark tells us his frequency was 8KHz .. I see no reason to doubt that Its the center of a loud speakers spectrum (ish) Its material he would have mmmm whats the word I'm liiking for
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Just wondering if a ferrite material would work for the core?
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Just wondering if a ferrite material would work for the core?
Hi Netica It probably would ... depending there are various grades and types of ferrite. I did buy some ex USSR ones to try about 5 inch Dia .. Its difficult stuff to cut very nicley as you probably know but an electric Tile cutter managed a fair job (eventually) I tried the cores with a signal injector and a few windings into a scope to see the transfer .. pretty worthless, which of course doesn't mean all ferrite cores are worthless .. again its down to magnetic engineering and I dont even see to much avaliable for even freq responce curves on the WWW .. obviously the stuff does exsist every loudspeaker uses the principle some up to a 1000watt s
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Hi Duncan,

Might be to expensive to find something to use in ferrite then. But I could imagine that it would be quite feasible with some money and engineering.

I don't know much about the material construction within a speaker other that what I have seen when pulling one apart, and to me it just looked like a coiled wire floating within a permanent magnets magnetic field attached to the speaker.

Soft mild steel as you are trying out, might be one of the easiest cheap materials to use. I have found that it is important to use steel with the least amount of carbon content that can be found for switching magnetic fields on and off and not retaining magnetism.

I have also experimented with Leedskalnin's perpetual magnet holder and found it only works with carbon in the steel, take the carbon away and it doesn't work.
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Might be to expensive to find something to use in ferrite then. But I could imagine that it would be quite feasible with some money and engineering.

I don't know much about the material construction within a speaker other that what I have seen when pulling one apart, and to me it just looked like a coiled wire floating within a permanent magnets magnetic field attached to the speaker.

Soft mild steel as you are trying out, might be one of the easiest cheap materials to use. I have found that it is important to use steel with the least amount of carbon content that can be found for switching magnetic fields on and off and not retaining magnetism.

I have also experimented with Leedskalnin's perpetual magnet holder and found it only works with carbon in the steel, take the carbon away and it doesn't work.
I am going to try pure Iron I have bought some from these guys but I don't have the means to bend it , Its at a black smiths .. far from Ideal but its got to be worth a try

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don't know how long he's going to take to bend the stuff but I'll report in due course if some one doesn't beat me to it . Its a big ask isn't it for something to reverse polarity 8ooo times a second very efficently but of course that's exactly what a loudspeaker must do there's no question about that !! it also must transduce wow those things at Rock gigs .. 1000s of watts efficiently and be a very soft magnetic material ... give me a name and a source for that stuff my kingdom for a bit of magnetic stuff
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Duncan, thanks for all your sharing, and helping beat back the fog of scientific amnesia into which I and many others been schooled.

It seems to me you're saying a few things:
- series resonance involves a 90 degree phase shift between voltage and magnetism/current.
- series resonance (thru a 90 deg phase shift) is one pathway to negative resistance, or drawing energy into a circuit from the electrostatic ambient/vacuum. In this sense, it is not strictly overunity (for the sticklers), but rather, a circuit's means to extracting additional energy from the environment.

There seem to be a number of different ways to skin this series resonance cat (e.g., via placement of capacitor, parallel bifi coil windings, caduceus windings, 555 timer switch before inductor...). Many are approaching it from different directions, like hunters moving through the forest along different paths to warm themselves at the same fire. Surely we're moving toward a common understanding this way.

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Re enforcing bar for concrete I think would be a good source

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Duncan, thanks for all your sharing, and helping beat back the fog of scientific amnesia into which I and many others been schooled.

It seems to me you're saying a few things:
- series resonance involves a 90 degree phase shift between voltage and magnetism/current.
- series resonance (thru a 90 deg phase shift) is one pathway to negative resistance, or drawing energy into a circuit from the electrostatic ambient/vacuum. In this sense, it is not strictly overunity (for the sticklers), but rather, a circuit's means to extracting additional energy from the environment.

There seem to be a number of different ways to skin this series resonance cat (e.g., via placement of capacitor, parallel bifi coil windings, caduceus windings, 555 timer switch before inductor...). Many are approaching it from different directions, like hunters moving through the forest along different paths to warm themselves at the same fire. Surely we're moving toward a common understanding this way.

Happy New Year!
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Q series resonance involves a 90 degree phase shift between voltage and magnetism/current.
A. series and parallel resonance are caused by a 90 deg phase shift between voltage and current but the order is reversed
Q series resonance (thru a 90 deg phase shift) is one pathway to negative resistance, or drawing energy into a circuit from the electrostatic ambient/vacuum. In this sense, it is not strictly overunity (for the sticklers), but rather, a circuit's means to extracting additional energy from the environment.
A series resonance is the only pathway to COP>1 in these electrical machines. every single one of them. series resonance is in the picture some where. thats why its hidden
Bob let me put it in clear --- there are two forces in electricity 1/electrostatic and 2/ electromagnetic
Electric forces
Magnetic forces
also on the same page Bob you'll see the Lorentz/Eienstein force law which is where all the corruptin originates if you look at the magnetic section you'll see a 90 deg vector this would be used for what you commonly call radio waves

now look at the electrostatic offering .. its just missing , so's all the maths technology and information ... as a radio wave is tuned into a feeble voltage at resonance
so at linear resonance the electrostatic wave Teslas wireless wave .. which you may know as the sea of energy is turned to massive ammounts of magnetic current .. which you may know as reactive current. He's a few things to consider Bob .. A lead acid battery will charge just as well on reactive current as it will on real current. Its a huge exception to the rule ! Read through this if you doubt that.

Capacitive Battery Charger - John Saves Energy

That resonant state is difficult to hold and changes with load and battery condition .. as you know from the 3BGS .. because that's what's happening .. the series resonant impulse wave is making the battery resonant to the electrostatic wave , which allows huge amounts of magnetic current to flow ... IMHO the motors and bad batteries are just a means to develop a sharp impulse wave.
And what you call 'in the zone' is being lucky to find series resonance and stay on it for a while
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there are a few things you said that don't add up. You want to use pure iron, yet you say that transformer laminate is probably not enough?? Ever heard of eddie currents? If you want to try that setup you better use a ferrite core or at least transformer laminate. That being said I don't think you will see in real world what you describe in theory.
The source (H-bridge) sees a short at resonance if you give it a series resonant setup. At best you would get normal transformer action in my opinion. I don't say this just to ruin your hopes, I'm working on resonant setups right now, and I happen to have a ferrite toroid which already had four windings from previous experiments, so I gave it a go. Instead of an H-bridge I used a power amp driven by a signal generator. Like I suspected I got maximum input amps at resonance which is normal if the amp sees a series setup. On the other two coils I had light bulbs as a load. The best I got was what you'd get with a normal transformer.

If you made the input parallel resonant it would be different, but no in/out gain in the end either. But this is another matter. It takes many hands on experiments until one starts to grasp resonant setups.

I think you should do the experiment, maybe you will find something I missed.

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Do you think these soft iron rods might work?:
Soft Iron Rod Core for strong electromagnet VERY RARE!! | eBay

I was thinking perhaps make a toroid cast and then melt several of these rods for pouring into the cast?

Here is an interesting site describing different soft and hard magnet materials:
What are soft magnetic material and hard magnetic material?_Zhejiang Sunfine Solar Technology Co., Ltd.

Thanks for sharing all the info you know about this! Free sharing is always the way to go.
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... the series resonant impulse wave is making the battery resonant to the electrostatic wave , which allows huge amounts of magnetic current to flow ... IMHO the motors and bad batteries are just a means to develop a sharp impulse wave.
And what you call 'in the zone' is being lucky to find series resonance and stay on it for a while
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Thanks so much for your reply. I've been convinced for some years that this was indeed the key to a large influx of energy into these systems. I just needed some help to fill in my gaps in understanding.

Looking at Lee Tseung's recent work at getting Joule Thiefs to operate at resonance and ensuing overunity seems to validate what you're saying. He hasn't had the easiest ride on these forums, but he's operating from a different motivational principle based on free sharing what he's freely been given - something you probably both uphold in your own way.

I suspect a decent PWM might be enough to get this OU effect, between a battery and a load.

The more people talk and share their findings about this, the simpler it will become, I believe. The greatest truths are usually the simplest and clearest, but we often have to have the scales removed from our eyes to see them.

I'm wondering if a simple variation on the joule thief might be a useful place to start in working towards a TPU-type setup. Surely someone has already posted something of this kind - I'll have to do some scanning thru schematics.
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This shouldn't be that hard once enough of us have a method down.

Edit: Duncan, I believe this corroborates some of what you've said:
Clarifying what cold electricity/radiant output means - YouTube
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there are a few things you said that don't add up. You want to use pure iron, yet you say that transformer laminate is probably not enough?? Ever heard of eddie currents? If you want to try that setup you better use a ferrite core or at least transformer laminate. That being said I don't think you will see in real world what you describe in theory.
The source (H-bridge) sees a short at resonance if you give it a series resonant setup. At best you would get normal transformer action in my opinion. I don't say this just to ruin your hopes, I'm working on resonant setups right now, and I happen to have a ferrite toroid which already had four windings from previous experiments, so I gave it a go. Instead of an H-bridge I used a power amp driven by a signal generator. Like I suspected I got maximum input amps at resonance which is normal if the amp sees a series setup. On the other two coils I had light bulbs as a load. The best I got was what you'd get with a normal transformer.

If you made the input parallel resonant it would be different, but no in/out gain in the end either. But this is another matter. It takes many hands on experiments until one starts to grasp resonant setups.

I think you should do the experiment, maybe you will find something I missed.

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Hi Mario luckily I can help a little there because although I don’t have my Iron bent I did have some
and I have built my H bridge and the oscillator so I did manage to wind two separate coils and run the whole up to resonance . I am using pure Iron Mario you seem to have it confused with Mild steel . And yes of course coils can be fed at resonance how do you think a Royer ZPS feeds an induction heater ? As for eddy current loss I have to say up until a short while ago I would have agreed with you and vigorously defended it, now I know I was wrong but It takes a lot to explain how I come to that conclusion .. however In brief .. get a coil and cap bring it to resonance watching the waveform on a scope .. sine wave right? Switch the input to a square wave .. still a sine wave right? Triangle .. still a sine wave in other words there is a transformation of form.
you assume as we have been taught series resonance would perform the same transformation .. It does not ! You cannot see it (how can you see current) to put a resistor however small defeats the object however the transform is to an Impulse. But you have to drill through all the trig transforms to get to that conclusion. This isnt DC either Its Vector is not in any quadrant normally used.
Being an impulse of course I'm not concerned about eddy current . This isn't AC this also isn't any technology you know anything about at all. In this area you are a thick as two short planks and so was I a very short time ago . This is impulse technology. It collects the electrostatic wave and transforms into magnetic current. just as a in a radio parallel resonance transforms the electromagnetic wave into a feeble voltage .. except there's nothing feeble about this current.
So whilst its great to have your input Mario and if you have the equipment I in return respectfully suggest you go and test it and prove it to yourself instead of assuming you simply know when like most (including myself a short time ago) in the area of impulse technology we all know the square root of F'all
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Do you think these soft iron rods might work?:
Soft Iron Rod Core for strong electromagnet VERY RARE!! | eBay

I was thinking perhaps make a toroid cast and then melt several of these rods for pouring into the cast?

Here is an interesting site describing different soft and hard magnet materials:
What are soft magnetic material and hard magnetic material?_Zhejiang Sunfine Solar Technology Co., Ltd.

Thanks for sharing all the info you know about this! Free sharing is always the way to go.
Thanks for the links and information :thumb sup: If I had those available here in the UK I would have tried them long ago . I’m kinda obliged to go with Iron . the question for me there would be can they be bent? Its still constructive assistance your offering which I really appreciate I had a magnetic question on another forum .. here is the bulk of my reply

that's not thinking like an engineer is it? 1000 watts goes in (say) and moves the cone accordingly it is of course physically moving the cone back and forth that consumes 1000W . it can't be a PM magnet can it ? indeed here's an animation .
HowStuffWorks "How Speakers Work"
The material the core of what is called 'the voice coil' is what Steve Mark used ... that coil is taking all the input power ,changing it to lateral movement and physically moving that cone very fast back and forth.* the big PM magnet your thinking of is effectively a counter balance .. I'm not interested in that at all . it is the substance that the voice coil is wound on probably a sintered material of some sort* .. Steve Mark .. had access to it , it has every quality needed here ... light weight, very soft magnetically, capable of handling huge power. capable of being' formed ' obviously for different speakers . actually absolutely the reverse of what you say Grumage the stuff has no magnetic retention at all the speaker cone always returns to the centre position . pressed into the right shape it has every requirement I need , so I know what it does, I know how it does it , I know its frequency response , I know its power handling, I know its Retentivity* I can even work out its B/H curve . That's not guess work or thinking about it ... that's just simple pure engineering every step of the way .... I've never seen the stuff, and I cant remember the last time I ever butchered a Loudspeaker ... but that 'stuff' has all the qualities required to make the Christmas card jump about! perhaps I cant get my hands on it, but someone out in forum land can and will I'm sure. I didn't put the post up for me ultimately anyway I posted all the engineering and the principles of every step and that sir is very unusual (as you know) from here anyone at all has as much chance of building ,proving ,demonstrating* the thing as I do. I'm quite sure the principles, technology and logic /detective work are right .... who's got the exotic magnetics is the question.
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Re enforcing bar for concrete I think would be a good source

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Sorry Mike I missed your post .. thats a thought .. Re bar I guess thats going to be pretty pure to avoid rust .. I'll see what I can find out. .. as always a big help
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Hi Duncan,

Could a TPU not be wound over *straight* iron sides - the magnetic circuit would still be equally closed ?

Rectangular transformers have been fine throughout electrical history - prior to toroidal winding becoming possible.

Straight sections would also be easy for basic hands-on development - *prior to* circularly worked optimisation !!!

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Hi Mario luckily I can help a little there because although I don’t have my Iron bent I did have some
and I have built my H bridge and the oscillator so I did manage to wind two separate coils and run the whole up to resonance . I am using pure Iron Mario you seem to have it confused with Mild steel . And yes of course coils can be fed at resonance how do you think a Royer ZPS feeds an induction heater ? As for eddy current loss I have to say up until a short while ago I would have agreed with you and vigorously defended it, now I know I was wrong but It takes a lot to explain how I come to that conclusion .. however In brief .. get a coil and cap bring it to resonance watching the waveform on a scope .. sine wave right? Switch the input to a square wave .. still a sine wave right? Triangle .. still a sine wave in other words there is a transformation of form.
you assume as we have been taught series resonance would perform the same transformation .. It does not ! You cannot see it (how can you see current) to put a resistor however small defeats the object however the transform is to an Impulse. But you have to drill through all the trig transforms to get to that conclusion. This isnt DC either Its Vector is not in any quadrant normally used.
Being an impulse of course I'm not concerned about eddy current . This isn't AC this also isn't any technology you know anything about at all. In this area you are a thick as two short planks and so was I a very short time ago . This is impulse technology. It collects the electrostatic wave and transforms into magnetic current. just as a in a radio parallel resonance transforms the electromagnetic wave into a feeble voltage .. except there's nothing feeble about this current.
So whilst its great to have your input Mario and if you have the equipment I in return respectfully suggest you go and test it and prove it to yourself instead of assuming you simply know when like most (including myself a short time ago) in the area of impulse technology we all know the square root of F'all
Duncan, did you read my post? I said I ran the circuit you posted!! And I told you what I found, which is what I expected, even though I was open.
Duncan, I STROONGLY suggest you start building and experimenting instead of just throwing theories at people waiting for them to build and confirm. Once you have confirmed it to yourself, THEN and only then should you write posts as if you knew everything about the subject.
I'm not saying at all that I know everything on resonant circuits, but at least I have been reading, thinking, experimenting and building circuits for the last six years and have gained some hands on knowledge about the matter! You can't do this just in your head ok?
Now start please start building something… then let us know what you found.

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Duncan, did you read my post? I said I ran the circuit you posted!! And I told you what I found, which is what I expected, even though I was open.
Duncan, I STROONGLY suggest you start building and experimenting instead of just throwing theories at people waiting for them to build and confirm. Once you have confirmed it to yourself, THEN and only then should you write posts as if you knew everything about the subject.
I'm not saying at all that I know everything on resonant circuits, but at least I have been reading, thinking, experimenting and building circuits for the last six years and have gained some hands on knowledge about the matter! You can't do this just in your head ok?
Now start please start building something… then let us know what you found.

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your windings are on one toroid Mario -- quite worthless as I said .. I have built my share my friend and there's plenty on here. not that I feel particularly obliged to I'm quite happy to conjecture and read others conjecture on this occasion I am building .. I am however not impressed with your experiments that don’t relate. that series resonance is a state of minimum impedance is of course in every primary school book. that isn't a short circuit though is it? did you actually go to school anywhere ? And if so was it anything to do with electricity? I don’t mean to be unkind but if you don’t know the difference between minimum impedance and short circuit I can't see you possibly contributing anything of worth here can you? Two short planks comes instantly to mind. there are people busy here who know ohms law .. please go amuse yourself else where.
Short circuit if you had another brain cell it would be lonely good laugh though hey lucky I know you can't be serious
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Ok Duncan, go and hook a coil and cap in series to the output of an amp, and tune freq to resonance, what does the amp see in your opinion? It sees close to zero impedance, only the resistance in the wires, meaning maximum amps, right, which is pretty close to a short circuit, depending on the Q of the coil.

I only tuned in to say what the result of your circuit was from what I saw on the bench since I had the tools at hand, if it was not supposed to be on a closed toroid core then I apologise, it's not what you were talking about. I apologise for giving your circuit and ideas a shot, very sorry about that. Won't ever do that again...

Hope you find what you're looking for, hopefully not only in theory, but I'm done waisting my time with you Duncan and any other armchair scientist, besides, your post is unkind and rude.

I'll go back and spend my time on my own experiments now…

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another bit of the puzzle?

sadly missed .. nobody needs miss direction Mario and that’s what that was . You sounded pompous and sure of yourself and then wrote a lot of plausible twaddle. There are people here trying to unravel this holy grail and by the way lets get this very very clear I don't mind if they help from an arm chair or a work bench . You might have thought you were helping posting some erroneous rubbish I did not. No doubt given half a chance you would turn every other law of electricity upside down?
There are folks trying very hard to grasp the concepts of things they don't fully understand here (including me) I don’t need the thread used as a midden heap as well I have enough trouble sorting the chaff from the wheat as it is!
Talking of sorting things out … another bit seems to have fallen into place regarding the magnetic material . This link was posted on OUR forum
Voice coil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the voice coil material is obviously what concerns. But This is the first time I've seen it . Now this fits into place …. that material can “Transduce” a huge amount of power .. It can do it laterally, and efficiently . It is attached to the cone .. its very light weight , the toroid permanent magnet obvious acts as a counter balance (sort of) to hold the cone in the centre . You see how flimsy it is for all its phenomenal magnetic properties? The bit that clicks into place is now I see how Steve Mark could cut through a working toroid can't you ? The outside was made of that stuff .. I don’t have the video though anybody else want to see if they can see it ?
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So you're not even answering my simple question and say it's rubbish?

"...go and hook a coil and cap in series to the output of an amp, and tune freq to resonance, what does the amp see in your opinion? It sees close to zero impedance, only the resistance in the wires, meaning maximum amps, right, which is pretty close to a short circuit, depending on the Q of the coil…"

Is this rubbish? Answer straight and don't go on babbling your endless theories.

See, I'm looking for the same thing as everyone here, except for the misleading spooks.. I've read most of the theories and stories you keep talking about and many convinced me 100%, in theory. But when you then go to the bench and actually test things you may find many of them to be what they are, stories. If I wouldn't be convinced deep down that it is possible to go OU I wouldn't spend so much money and time of my life working on this stuff. But what matters is what you find on the bench.

Now answer my question above…

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So you're not even answering my simple question and say it's rubbish?

"...go and hook a coil and cap in series to the output of an amp, and tune freq to resonance, what does the amp see in your opinion? It sees close to zero impedance, only the resistance in the wires, meaning maximum amps, right, which is pretty close to a short circuit, depending on the Q of the coil…"

Is this rubbish? Answer straight and don't go on babbling your endless theories.

See, I'm looking for the same thing as everyone here, except for the misleading spooks.. I've read most of the theories and stories you keep talking about and many convinced me 100%, in theory. But when you then go to the bench and actually test things you may find many of them to be what they are, stories. If I wouldn't be convinced deep down that it is possible to go OU I wouldn't spend so much money and time of my life working on this stuff. But what matters is what you find on the bench.

Now answer my question above…

Mario

Listen Mario you may think the difference between minimum impedance and a short circuit is not important .. I think its very important, I have already told you I have already wound coils onto iron bars and tried it , I don’t intend doing it again at your behest . It wasn't testing with an amp
or AC or a square wave .. it doesn't apply . And no I was no where near a short circuit I was at minimum impedance which of course is a design parameter . And strangely what the books say and not this vomit you have managed to regurgitate from somewhere .So what you have done is connected some old coils which don't relate , on a toroid that doesn’t relate, to a signal source that doesn't relate in order that you can spout some absolute rubbish about series resonance being a short circuit which it most certainly isn't and .. that does not relate to any electrical theory I have ever read any where, and then you wonder why I cant be bothered to answer you ? If you can't work that out it also says quite a lot about your dullard approach to electrical engineering , and as you indicate going off about your other very important practical investigations might be a good idea .. don’t let me detain you. I eagerly await the square wheel, I have now answered your question I dont intenend responding to anymore orders on my own thread .. now answer me indeed ! just who do you think you are ? .. your certainly a numpty I could do with out ! series resonance is a short circuit ,, is about as much use as tits on a kipper, I think you can leave in short jerky movements .. goodbye I shan't be responding to anymore of your purile diatribe!
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Now answer my question above…
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Hi Mario.

You obviously know what you are writing about - but NOT about what Duncan is writing about !

What is happening within the TPU segments is quite different to the electromagnetics taught in colleges and universities.

Duncan is right, he DOES know, and he is attempting to help others understand,
the problem being trying to write in a 'conventional' manner others might follow.

So Mario, Duncan is NOT wrong, and although the interpretations of his words might be, he really is trying hard to clarify,
and what must be understood here -
is that subsection core fields can be induced to series-parallel reverse in ways NOT envisioned via classical scientific experience.

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yeah listen .. I'm very tired Mario ... sorry man I'll come back in a while when I've calmed down ...
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