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03-31-2012, 01:42 PM
 jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 169
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Thank You very much for your time and answers. I think the biggest road block is consistency of terms.

For example mutual capacitance K and mutual inductance M. Eric has units of per Henry and per Farad for these terms.

Do these units agree with your statements?
i.e. when you talk about mutual inductance M, according to your definition is it in units of per/Henry.
03-31-2012, 07:17 PM
 garrettm4 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Orbiting Sol somewhere in the Milky Way Posts: 79
Q & A

Jake,

There are NO inconsistency of terms with what Mr. Dollard has given or even the terms used today or 100 years ago. The problem isn't the terms or definitions its personal comprehension of their significance.

Per Farad is the reciprocal of the Farad. If Farad implied an imaginary conductance per unit time then a Per Farad would be an imaginary resistance per unit time. Its that simple. It all comes down to understanding what a reciprocal means in the physical world we live in, not in the imaginary world of math. People should focus on CRITICAL THINKING and not DEEP THINKING.

Per Farad literally means 1/F and the same goes for Per Henry 1/H. Farad literally means F/1 and the same for Henry H/1. We usually don't write things in this context but when doing dimensional analysis it becomes simpler to do it this way. The terms Henry and Farad are usually replaced with L and C for simplicity. Mr. Dollard uses the actual name to give a more meaningful conversation, but at the same time it is a language barrier for those who aren't familiar.

All of this comes down to understanding the "NORMAL" circuit orientation of the arbitrary element in question. This is seen as SHUNT (or PARALLEL) and SERIES arrangements. Capacitors, enductors and conductances are shunt elements, inductors, elastors and resistors are series elements.

If we place a capacitor in a series arrangement it no longer acts as an imaginary conductance per unit time (capacitive-susceptance), it now is an imaginary resistance per unit time (capacitive-reactance). The same goes for an inductance, if we place it in shunt we now have an imaginary conductance per unit time (magnetic-susceptance), not the original imaginary resistance per unit time (magnetic-reactance).

The capacitive and inductive elements are conjugate to one another, their vector forces rotate in opposite directions, if the capacitor acts as a small imaginary resistance and then becomes a large imaginary resistance per unit time, then an inductor acts as a large imaginary resistance then becomes a small imaginary resistance per unit time.

Stated in another way inductive reactance starts out large and then goes small, capacitive reactance starts out small and then goes large. The same goes for the opposite of reactance, susceptance.

The reason the above explanations are meaningful and correct is from the fact that IMAGINARY RESISTANCES AND CONDUCTANCES STORE ENERGY (AND CAN RETURN THAT SAME ENERGY). Thus as a capacitor gets "full" it can't allow anything to flow but at first it acted as a dead short, the opposite is true with an inductor at first it impedes the flow of current because it is building a magnetic field, as the field is built and expanded the current is then progressively less restricted in its flow and reaches its maximum when the field is fully expanded.

One problem I will admit that exists, is the fact that there are MULTIPLE self and mutual inductions of the dielectric and magnetic fields in any given circuit. The root of the problem comes from the fact that the naming of these various direction and situation dependent inductions sometimes overlap and cause a lot of confusion. I will give more details on this later.

I hope this hip-shot explanation (I'm strapped for time at the moment), can serve as a meaningful (albeit lacking) explanation to your question.

Garrett M

Last edited by garrettm4 : 03-31-2012 at 07:33 PM.
03-31-2012, 07:36 PM
 boguslaw Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,911
Fish do not think about water, man do not think about field he is moving in. Only those fishes who surf on water surface jumping into air see difference.
Slap field with transient and it will behave like solid wall. That's how I understand it.
03-31-2012, 10:19 PM
 Kokomoj0 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 362
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well not exactly.

a magnetic or dielectric field is essentially the same as a dc potential. When that magnetic field is collapased you get the energy, and likewise when the dielectric field is shorted or bridged. until it is in a condition to be kinetic is little different than a charged battery waiting for something to be connected.

I said many posts ago that all this per stuff is the same as 1/x and I did not see the value in calculating it in the opposite quadrant since it is a mirror image anyway.

Eric nor anyone else responded to that. So if there is a significance to it its is lost to me because that and several other points made have went unexplained that I asked about. Oh well....

Worse I started to listen to Erics audios and was forced to turn it off when he started about going backwards in time. So I have been very quiet waiting to see where this is ultimately going to go.

Now we can take that one step farther and again look at Meyl, regardless how many stones people wish to throw at his work its very hard to argue with success, at least you cant argue too much.

Meyl is in th e build stage not theory and has shown this to work real time. Now unless he is flat out lying about the measurements has claimed to get more at the receiver than he was transmitting.

No other working theory with that regard has been proposed or demonstrated that I can see at this point. Meyls has put out a theory as to why this happens and I have not seen any theory here refute Meyls functionally. So I am left shrugging my shoulders.

Maybe I expected too much, but I have to admit I expected to be looking the holy grail square in the face and have not had the pleasure of that expectation.

Lots of great theory but sadly nothing that crashed any of my einstein education yet.

But I have hope that maybe something is forth coming.

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03-31-2012, 10:57 PM
 Kokomoj0 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 362
a tank circuit is exactly like this:

Making standing waves

when you reach f0 the the reactances create a null and look to the circuit like a pure resistance you get the highest waves.

I pointed out in this and other threads that theic can be measured by either a real meter or a simple make shift VSWR meter by tapping into the circuit.

The old timers have done this since the invention of dirt.

more

Standing Waves

which takes up to wave phase:

Wave Phase

interference

Wave Interference - Wave Pulse

Electric Fields

Capacitors

Electric Currents - Magnetic Fields

Electric Currents - Magnetic Fields

this is what I explained that everyone forgets when talking about the "impulse". the relationship between V I and time
Transformers - Power Transmission

finally
RC Circuits

LR Circuits Theory Part 1

LC Circuits Theory Part 1

LC Circuits Example 1 Part 1

LC Circuits Example 1 Part 2

LC Circuits Example 1 Part 3

LC Circuits Example 1 Part 4 The End

AC Circuits Example 1 Part 1 - YouTube

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03-31-2012, 11:06 PM
 dR-Green Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Merlin's Fort Posts: 862
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 Originally Posted by Kokomoj0 Now we can take that one step farther and again look at Meyl, regardless how many stones people wish to throw at his work its very hard to argue with success, at least you cant argue too much. Meyl is in th e build stage not theory and has shown this to work real time. Now unless he is flat out lying about the measurements has claimed to get more at the receiver than he was transmitting.
?? I haven't seen Meyl demonstrate anything of significance. His description of the boats even sounds wrong. I'd like to see his boat working 10 metres or more away from the transmitter using his proposed method.
04-01-2012, 12:32 AM
 jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 169
@kokomojo
"yup and I said that many moons ago and was shunned for it LOL"

What page did that happen?? I think that might be the answer to my current question.

@garrett
04-01-2012, 01:03 AM
 Kokomoj0 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 362
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 Originally Posted by dR-Green ?? I haven't seen Meyl demonstrate anything of significance. His description of the boats even sounds wrong. I'd like to see his boat working 10 metres or more away from the transmitter using his proposed method.
didnt he say they were 60+ meters apart at glauscau when they tested?
04-01-2012, 02:26 AM
 dR-Green Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Merlin's Fort Posts: 862
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 Originally Posted by Kokomoj0 didnt he say they were 60+ meters apart at glauscau when they tested?
You mean the boat? There's no way he'd have the boat working at that distance using the configurations he shows. He has missed the fundamental part of the whole thing - the ground. In 7 mins of the 2nd video he explains:

Meyl - Scalarwave-Technology - The european website of www.k-meyl.de

"No battery, no earthing line, but only have water as the way back to the earth"

The 2nd image here is in direct conflict with the Tesla patent shown right above it:

They are right outside the window with the transmitter right next to it. And where is the ground connection as shown in Tesla's patent?

Do you believe that his transmitter is having such an effect upon the earth that it will transfer through the ground, up through his puddle of water and power that motor? He's just using the puddle as a virtual ground, just like you can do with an Avramenko plug. The coil (metal) would make a nice antenna for an improved effect over more crude AV plugs, and the puddle of water would make a nice virtual ground. You can place whatever you like there, be the "ground" yourself if you want. But I don't believe for one second that his system is receiving the energy via the ground, or via the water.

And here the same again:

Transmission of Power Without Wires (Scalar Waves) - YouTube

My opinion on it is that this is SEC exciter territory, not Tesla's wireless transmission.

 As far as energy through water is concerned, the sea is obviously a part of the earth and it's all connected. So Meyl seems to have simply cheated by making the water the virtual ground, and receiving the energy through the top terminal instead. According to the correct theory, he should be able to simply plug loads directly into the water and they will power up, things such as an incandescent bulb. But I don't think he will be able to do that.

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04-01-2012, 04:08 AM
 Kokomoj0 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 362
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 Originally Posted by dR-Green You mean the boat? There's no way he'd have the boat working at that distance using the configurations he shows. He has missed the fundamental part of the whole thing - the ground. In 7 mins of the 2nd video he explains: Meyl - Scalarwave-Technology - The european website of www.k-meyl.de "No battery, no earthing line, but only have water as the way back to the earth" The 2nd image here is in direct conflict with the Tesla patent shown right above it: SmartLINK They are right outside the window with the transmitter right next to it. And where is the ground connection as shown in Tesla's patent? Do you believe that his transmitter is having such an effect upon the earth that it will transfer through the ground, up through his puddle of water and power that motor? He's just using the puddle as a virtual ground, just like you can do with an Avramenko plug. The coil (metal) would make a nice antenna for an improved effect over more crude AV plugs, and the puddle of water would make a nice virtual ground. You can place whatever you like there, be the "ground" yourself if you want. But I don't believe for one second that his system is receiving the energy via the ground, or via the water. And here the same again: Transmission of Power Without Wires (Scalar Waves) - YouTube My opinion on it is that this is SEC exciter territory, not Tesla's wireless transmission.  As far as energy through water is concerned, the sea is obviously a part of the earth and it's all connected. So Meyl seems to have simply cheated by making the water the virtual ground, and receiving the energy through the top terminal instead. According to the correct theory, he should be able to simply plug loads directly into the water and they will power up, things such as an incandescent bulb. But I don't think he will be able to do that.
well tesla intended to power airplanes as well though
04-01-2012, 04:58 AM
 dR-Green Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Merlin's Fort Posts: 862
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 Originally Posted by Kokomoj0 well tesla intended to power airplanes as well though
Yeah, I don't know how he intended to do that with all the known inefficiencies etc. This is what I was starting to work on the other night which led to the last video. Using a metal plate "ground plane" on the transmitter output and a metal plate receiver as a "mobile" reception system having no physical contact, the reception drops off very quickly in the range of mm. Maybe the requirements for this situation involves a lot of transmitters placed around the planet, and/or the earth itself in resonance

Apparently aquatic vehicles are not a problem, but cars and planes are something else.
04-01-2012, 07:20 AM
 dR-Green Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Merlin's Fort Posts: 862
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 Originally Posted by Nhopa It would help us a lot if you could make a sketch of your set-up to show how much does it deviate from the published circuit.
This is how it's all connected in the video. Not sure about the LED polarity.

I've been able to get better performance with Eric's "power" circuit since, using a bigger load, and using just about every combination of primary-secondary connections I can think of. They all work, which is why I'm now suspecting the LED polarity had something to do with it. I'll have to test it to confirm, but a 12v 1.1W 21 LED array that doesn't seem to care for polarity works much better than the smaller load of the 3v 6 red LEDs... Although everything shows strange behaviour and normal LEDs don't care for polarity as much as they usually do etc. Lots of variables and things to figure out
04-01-2012, 03:33 PM
 Web000x Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 455
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 Originally Posted by Kokomoj0 Lots of great theory but sadly nothing that crashed any of my einstein education yet.
So you still think that the electrons are the source of electricity? Or do you believe there are lines of force, or aether, being the cause of electricity?

@Garrett,

It is a shame that you took down your posts. Eric said that it was a great help to have you around so that he had somebody else to answer questions because your understanding of his math is quite clear.

Dave

Last edited by Web000x : 04-01-2012 at 03:50 PM.
04-01-2012, 03:54 PM
 jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 169
@Garrett,

It is a shame that you took down your posts. Eric said that it was a great help to have you around so that he had somebody else to answer questions because your understanding of his math is quite clear.

Dave[/quote]

Yes it is a shame.

I was going through all his posts specifically. Did the man get to you or are you going to write a book? (i'll buy one)

I guess that explains why all the pages shifted.

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04-01-2012, 05:01 PM
 Gestalt Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 46
Where did Garrett go?

I'm also wondering what happened to all of Garrett's posts?

Did anyone keep a backup/copy of all his posts?
04-01-2012, 07:35 PM
 lessismore Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: In the past or in the future - rarely in the present Posts: 18
Garrett's Posts Missing - NFG

I'm not sure what NFG actually stands for - but the loss of Garrett's posts from this thread is definitely NFG

Garrett, hope all is well with you.
04-01-2012, 07:43 PM
 Web000x Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 455
NFG = No F***ing Good
04-01-2012, 09:37 PM
 madhatter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 427
Agreed, a SNAFU.

Hopefully he returns.

In other news...
I built another set of coils for 4Mhz, It's the upper end of the amateur radio band and should prove to be more difficult to receive on. Although I'm not getting any 'sound' I did notice one thing of interest, with no circuit load there is little to no voltage potential, set up a load and the potential climbs. at the moment it'll fluctuate between .7~1 volt of potential between the ground plane and radial ground antenna. capacitance value is critical and I'm going to sit and see what I can calculate to tune this.

The larger crystal set is awaiting wider copper strap at the moment.
04-01-2012, 09:49 PM
 nw7w7 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 9
Garrett ?? No ..Why ... uuggg.. Did anyone copy his post by chance?? you have been such a help in all this. What a shame hope you come back and all is well ...
04-01-2012, 09:52 PM
 madhatter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 427
I should clarify, this is AC voltage reading
04-01-2012, 11:14 PM
 Raui Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 279
Hmm I'm not sure where Garrett's posts went however if you're quick google cache is your friend

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 Originally Posted by Web000x So you still think that the electrons are the source of electricity? Or do you believe there are lines of force, or aether, being the cause of electricity? Dave
You mean actually listen to and verify what Eric is saying Blasphemy!
04-02-2012, 01:55 AM
 Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 8,938
he deleted his own posts

Energetic Forum did NOT get hacked. Plenty of members have asked me so I'll post it here instead of replying to every personally. Garrettm4 deleted his own posts.
04-02-2012, 02:38 AM
 Michael Kishline Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 52
Garrett4, Gone without a trace, almost!

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 Originally Posted by Raui Hmm I'm not sure where Garrett's posts went however if you're quick google cache is your friend You mean actually listen to and verify what Eric is saying Blasphemy!

Internet Archive "Waybackmachine" turned up nothing, latest search was May 2010. Garrett joined August 2011. http://web.archive.org/web/201005220...p-dollard.html

But Energetic Forum still has 37 Quoted Posts when you do a Thread Search for "Garrettm4".
http://www.energeticforum.com/search...earchid=598383

Have fun

Mike
04-02-2012, 03:21 AM
 Geometric_Algebra Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 33
Primary/Secondary Assembly Iteration #1

Secondary: Roughly 24 turns of RG316 (L-com.com) on 13.74 inch diameter form, with wire spacing 0.120".

Primary: 1.5" wide Georgia Copper (2.71 grams/in specific weight), 1 turn on 13.74 in diameter, and ending with an additonal 3/16 turn on 13.24 inch diameter.

Center frequency: Theoretical 1.87Mhz, Measured 1.6Mhz, which just barely enters the AM band.

Test setup for measuring center frequency:
Input: 2.8V pk, sinusoid, 1.6Mhz, from a 50 ohm input impedance function generator source connected directly to the primary loop with mini-grabber test clips.

Output: 174V pk, sinusoid, with oscilloscope probe shunted directly across secondary. Probe is a 60Mhz bandwidth, 46 pF input capacitance, 10Meg ohm input resistance, cheapo ebay special, using a Tektronix TDS210 oscillscope. Secondary is very senstive and output characteristics change with objects moving 6-8 inches and closer to the coil.

I do have a basic python script for calculations, some emc2 g-code files for router manufacturing, conductor empirical measurements, and other associated files if anyone would like to use/modify.
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04-02-2012, 03:57 AM
 Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 8,938

Eric P. Dollard

NOTE: All of Garrettm4's posts in this thread have been recovered.

Last edited by Aaron : 04-06-2012 at 07:23 AM.