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Old 12-22-2007, 05:27 AM
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Roto Verter

Hi everyone.

A friend of mine gave me the link to this Vid…I actually met a man in the USA that also was doing work on the exact same thing a few years ago. I did not understand totally how it worked but I did see that it worked. I was very impressed and would really like to know how they wire the motor up to do this. I saw the machine run on milliamps instead of many amps. I also tested the power factor and it was not affected.

RV (RotoVerter) demo

They call it the “Roto Verter”

This is a demonstration of Panacea's Roto Verter device (motor / generator coupling version) in an apartment in Brisbane, Australia.

By clipping the peaks of the wave form using neon switching or diode plug techniques, it may be possible to extract the resonant / excess power shown on the alternator such as replicated by an open source engineer in France.

The neon switch circuits are near completion for this setup.

More information including the circuit diagrams are available at

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There is also some other links on the site for more vids about the same thing.

I did not find the circuit diagrams yet on there web page…it is berried some where in there webpage and I have not found it yet.

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some more info

Hi Karl,

Here is a link to further info on rotoverter circuits:
Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices and click on the D2.pdf file under the red text. Inside this pdf file it starts from the bottom of page 19 and onwards.

To understand the claims on this method, You are supposed to know AC circuit theory on reactive power (VAR) that circulates in motor or generator coils which are made to be resonant tank circuits with the so called run capacitor(s). And then you have to find ways to utilize this reactive power, the principle is shown on page 28 and further LOAD SPECIFIC variants on pages 25 or 27 and so on. You always have to match the load to the rotoverter setup to utilize the advantage in resonant circuits and in case you have a changing load you must find means to compensate detuning effects.

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There is a Device out there that's called a PhaseAble Enabler you can purchase that does the Capacitance switching automatically. It was invented by Dr. Otto Smith and looks very similar to the Rotoverter and is used to run cheaper 3 phase motors off single phase mains effeciently. He has a website: World's Most Efficient and Largest Single-Phase Motor invented by Dr. Otto J. M. Smith

The rotoverter was the idea of Hector Torres and couples (2) 7.5 Hp Baldor motors one so called a Prime Mover and another wired as an alternator. In the rotoverter the 3 phase motor either a 9 lead 230/460 or 12 lead 230/460/575 is wired for single phase 120 and is started by putting a large capacitance across the remainder legs wired in Delta until the motor comes up to speed and then it is switched to a smaller run cap. Hector made his work open source so you can view what he did to those motors.
In either case the motor is made much more effecient by reducing the rotating magnetic field or so I have read. As for energy COP>1 recovery the circuits I looked at employ putting the alternator in resonance and extracting the excess. The popularity of these is enormous because all you need is off the shelf parts to make it happen. As for tapping the resonance for COP>1 I can think of a cheaper way to do that and not involve big baldor motors and start caps.
But alas the circuit does improve the effeciency of the motor over normal three phase and single phase motors this it does. I'm keeping an eye on it myself.
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There is a Device out there that's called a PhaseAble Enabler you can purchase that does the Capacitance switching automatically. It was invented by Dr. Otto Smith and looks very similar to the Rotoverter and is used to run cheaper 3 phase motors off single phase mains effeciently. He has a website: World's Most Efficient and Largest Single-Phase Motor invented by Dr. Otto J. M. Smith

The rotoverter was the idea of Hector Torres and couples (2) 7.5 Hp Baldor motors one so called a Prime Mover and another wired as an alternator. In the rotoverter the 3 phase motor either a 9 lead 230/460 or 12 lead 230/460/575 is wired for single phase 120 and is started by putting a large capacitance across the remainder legs wired in Delta until the motor comes up to speed and then it is switched to a smaller run cap. Hector made his work open source so you can view what he did to those motors.
In either case the motor is made much more effecient by reducing the rotating magnetic field or so I have read. As for energy COP>1 recovery the circuits I looked at employ putting the alternator in resonance and extracting the excess. The popularity of these is enormous because all you need is off the shelf parts to make it happen. As for tapping the resonance for COP>1 I can think of a cheaper way to do that and not involve big baldor motors and start caps.
But alas the circuit does improve the effeciency of the motor over normal three phase and single phase motors this it does. I'm keeping an eye on it myself.
I have recently got a FREE 3 phase motor that is part of a 1/2 ton hoist. So, I am VERY interested in doing this ( have very little to loose on this )

I am wondering who else has done this?

Eager to find out what off the shelf parts I need...

Mart ( will be looking at the web sites mentioned ).
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Pictures of the motor I am considering...

I don't know if this is a good idea or not, will need input.

I have this free motor that was given to me would like to know if it would be better to scrap it or to convert it to be a rotoverter. ( see attached) I am not sure if it is too old to be considered.

thanks for input.

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I am no expert, but I think that as long as it is an induction motor you are fine. They have not changed the design in along time of electric motors.


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I am no expert, but I think that as long as it is an induction motor you are fine. They have not changed the design in along time of electric motors.


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I have been reading up on it and it seems they recommend certain types of motors.

I am puzzled to know how to wire this I am thinking of getting the two capacitors it requires and trying it.

Part of this is I am going to find a resistor that will help me short these caps, they are to risky to leave with that much voltage on them. I am thinking, I don't have much to loose on this motor, my worst thing I am loosing is time, but I feel I will be gaining experience. Here is a golden opportunity to try something on something I am not afraid to mess up.
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RE: RV Motor

I have purchased today a Baldor motor 5 hp. After it comes in, and I clean and lube the bearings, I will attempt to add the capacitors and make this a RV.

I am glad I scrapped the old motor, it was a dead end, this is per spec, and should fill the bill nicely. ( All I need now is Peters rotor and should be set )
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Hi., you need DUAL winding motors, Ie-230/460 Volts
I recommend the 60 hertz double coiled motors of 7.5HP

Also a frequency drive inverter, if oyu really wanted to get the ultimate RV you would make a permanent magnet Rotor, this eliminates the slip, but the flux drag is tricky, please check out the new videos and comps on this page
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This motor appears to be working by the same principle as the Roto Verter.

Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator

More Roto-Verter videos:

Rotoverter Energy saving method

rotoverter - Google Video

Roto-Verter Peswicki link:

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This motor appears to be working by the same principle as the Roto Verter.

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Is this just a RotoVerter that you have done?

I am very interested in replicating this.



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Old 02-05-2008, 06:04 PM
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Motor arrived today

Baldor Motor 5 HP arrived.

Next will clean and relub the bearings with carb cleaner... Once I figure out how to get to the bearings...

Then will order the caps needed to move to the converting the prime mover.

exciting.
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Yeah, I got the same reply email. My understanding of donations is that they are voluntary. What this guy is asking for is not a donation but a fee. For all I know, his whole video is completely bogus. Not very well done at all.

He should look up the word "donation" in the dictionary.

On the topic of Roto-Verters. I got a much warmer reply from Panacea.org.
I have a few Baldor motors to experiment on. I am still looking over the info on the Peswicki link.

It is not very complicated. I wonder why this isn't common knowledge in industrial mills. They could save a lot of wasted power by putting this info into practice.

I'm interested in checking out your video. What is the link?

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>I'm interested in checking out your video. What is the link?

Here is the link...

YouTube - Learning from working outside the box...

( please excuse the poor audio, I was moving the mic around. )
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Interesting design.

You could easily fix the audio with some dubbing.

I'd like to see what the waveform across the collector looks like.

Seems like it could be spinning faster.

The one at this link seems to be humming right along though.

YouTube - SSG adding a generator Video 18

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Interesting design.

You could easily fix the audio with some dubbing.
I'd like to see what the waveform across the collector looks like.
Seems like it could be spinning faster.
The one at this link seems to be humming right along though.

YouTube - SSG adding a generator Video 18
Ya.... I was debating between getting a scope, and getting an Rotoverter, the roto-verter won out. I see alot more possibilities if I can get the Rotoverter working.

I switched magents from the first video, and I have been so impressed with the charging rate of the big Neo magnets that I did not mind the slow speed.
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Ya.... I was debating between getting a scope, and getting an Rotoverter, the roto-verter won out. I see alot more possibilities if I can get the Rotoverter working.

I switched magents from the first video, and I have been so impressed with the charging rate of the big Neo magnets that I did not mind the slow speed.

I was getting ready to do an experiment to determine whether or not Neo's would charge the battery better than ceramics.

The guys at one of the Yahoo groups advised against using neo's since the only job of the magnets is for switching. One thing I am noticing though is that the rotor charges better than the solid state version which leads me to believe that the magnets are doing more than just swithching the tranny on and off.
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I was getting ready to do an experiment to determine whether or not Neo's would charge the battery better than ceramics.

The guys at one of the Yahoo groups advised against using neo's since the only job of the magnets is for switching. One thing I am noticing though is that the rotor charges better than the solid state version which leads me to believe that the magnets are doing more than just swithching the tranny on and off.
The trick with Neos I believe is to get the right distance away from them with your coils. You want to get max power from them, but then again you don't want to saturate your coil.

I think also the right size of Neo makes a difference as well. ( as the shape of
the magnetic field would be a factor.

I am finding I am getting more power out of SSG by adding another power coil in series with the primary. You have to position it just right on the wheel, but it has given me much more punch for the same amount of voltage.

I hope that I can get some input from the EVgray group tonight about my choice of capactiors for the RV I do hope to get this motor spinning soon.
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Did you find some oil filled caps?

I should be able to at least get my prime mover working in the next few days as soon as I get time.

I read about the RV/Muller generator. It looks pretty good but I'm not sure why he can't get overunity out it.
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Did you find some oil filled caps?

I should be able to at least get my prime mover working in the next few days as soon as I get time.

I read about the RV/Muller generator. It looks pretty good but I'm not sure why he can't get overunity out it.
Oil caps found, and ordered! HURRAY!

Next I am going to work on getting the box to contain the capacitors, and resistors to bleed the capacitors.
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theremart i would consider doing them in a binary cap bank arrangement for easier tuning, here is ours we did.
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Capacitors arrived today. I will start reading the site you listed to know how to hook them up. I am a bit nervous, as these are some hefty caps never worked with this much power before.

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Rotoverter

IT runs It RUNS IT RUNS



Got it going today, I am so happy I have not taken the vitals yet, like RPM or voltage, but so very happy that I have gotten this far.

Capacitor bank fully operational.

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Those are some great news, mart
Please keep us updated of your success
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Double success :)



YouTube - Double feature. Roto Verter / SSG on steriods

My SSG generator is doing wonderful too.... as you will see.

Next I need to get the rotoverter charging batteries, powering the rotoverter, and many other projects.

the EVAY Gray group on Yahoo has been most helpful, and THANK YOU ASH!!

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Congradulation Mart!!!!

Pretty cool to see you happy like that in you're vid!!
Good stuff coming out of you're work so far..
You show us what immagination can lead to and hard working too.
Again,CONGRADULATION !!!!!!


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great vid

Very cool Mart!

Were those coreless coils above the SSG picking up the charge from spinning rotor?
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Very cool Mart!

Were those coreless coils above the SSG picking up the charge from spinning rotor?
Correct. I have talked with the guys from the auxil Flux group ( windmill gurus ) and most of the use neos and empty cores. Also metal backing for the neos to channel the flux.

I have learned sooooo much on a wild idea to get energy from the SSG mechanical.

Also KTservices gave me the inspiration to keep on, by making his system before me work with his SSG.
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Mart I am looking to build a windmill style generator to be powered by the sg. I too noted that Piggot and others have strong neos rotating on both sides of air coils. Cant wait to see how well they go.
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