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Old 11-01-2013, 08:17 AM
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Video of Rotating Magnets Heating a Copper Pipe

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This is a very interesting video showing rotating neodymium magnets that heat a copper pipe to a red hot temperature https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n5sSmJsCdY Please watch the entire video and share your thoughts about what you think is going on. It seems that the alternately arranged neo. magnets (north, south, north, south, etc.) are channeling additional energy (additional magnetic flux??) into the copper and making it red hot. This is a very interesting phenomenon.


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Old 11-01-2013, 08:59 AM
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Hi everyone:

This is a very interesting video showing rotating neodymium magnets that heat a copper pipe to a red hot temperature https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n5sSmJsCdY Please watch the entire video and share your thoughts about what you think is going on. It seems that the alternately arranged neo. magnets (north, south, north, south, etc.) are channeling additional energy (additional magnetic flux??) into the copper and making it red hot. This is a very interesting phenomenon.


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magnets induces eddy current in copper pipe

Eddy current - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-01-2013, 01:24 PM
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Similar or same as how induction heating works. Cool hey.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:16 PM
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I think this is similar to what some claim was at work in the partial melting of cars and their metal parts in the vicinity of the twin towers on 9-11. It has been claimed that the eddy currents produced by directed energy weapons/strong EMP had this effect. Perhaps it was Dr. Judy Wood. Not sure; didn't really follow it.
By way of interest.
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:21 AM
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for your consideration

No idea of the efficiency or if it can be made COP>1 however here's the next step up the ladder
Magnetic Heater Update - YouTube
there is more construction and detail on whyme2be's you tube channel including a pretty nattey way to mount the magnets
Assuming it can be made COP>1 the well known, tried tested, and proved technology of the Rotoverter applied correctly would surly be a perfect marriage as suggested here ..
Lenz's effect heating with RV motor 001 - YouTube
a worthy subject Telemachus
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:43 PM
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Ive thought about building one just have never had the time. If you have a gas heater system its way cheaper to do this. If already electric, i guess it depends on how efficient this is.
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:31 PM
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No idea of the efficiency or if it can be made COP>1 however here's the next step up the ladder
Magnetic Heater Update - YouTube
I mean no offence in any way however I always find these types of statements kind of odd.

Now think about this statement, I wonder what the efficiency would be?.`
If conventional scientific beliefs hold then all losses must always manifest as heat thus as far as heat/energy is concerned all devices must be 100% efficient, no more no less. I brought this up because I hear many so called experts/pseudo-skeptics being critical of devices stating they could somehow be less efficient than a simple resistance heater. This is not only false but is also a contradiction to what they say they believe, lol.

Quite literally we have nothing to lose by experimenting with these types of processses because the laws state we cannot lose anything under any circumstances. However if energy could be drawn in from some other source in an open system then there is no law saying we could not gain something.

The heat pump is a good example because it must always be 100% efficient at generating heat regardless of the cycle efficiency dictating how much heat it moves from point A to B. It starts at 100% efficiency and evolves upward, win-win.

Here is another example of the absurdity of how we think of Energy. I have a light bulb indoors and they say it is only 10% efficient at producing light which means it must also be 90% efficient at producing heat. Thus the total efficiency would depend on whether it is cold outside or not, lol. As well if we place the a small light inside a black metal box next to our window and sun light hits the black box then the COP could be greater than 1, over 100% efficient at generating heat indoors relative to the input. You see context matters whenever we are speaking of Energy.



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Old 11-03-2013, 05:43 PM
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Thanks for posting Telemachus!

Very interesting..

How much drag is presented to the rotor by the copper at those RPMS?

I wonder if a beefy pulse motor with large neos and a suitable copper tubing arrangement could actually warm up some water with low power input?

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Old 11-04-2013, 03:36 AM
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no offence taken -- a rash statement

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I mean no offence in any way however I always find these types of statements kind of odd.

Now think about this statement, I wonder what the efficiency would be?.`
If conventional scientific beliefs hold then all losses must always manifest as heat thus as far as heat/energy is concerned all devices must be 100% efficient, no more no less. I brought this up because I hear many so called experts/pseudo-skeptics being critical of devices stating they could somehow be less efficient than a simple resistance heater. This is not only false but is also a contradiction to what they say they believe, lol.

Quite literally we have nothing to lose by experimenting with these types of processses because the laws state we cannot lose anything under any circumstances. However if energy could be drawn in from some other source in an open system then there is no law saying we could not gain something.

The heat pump is a good example because it must always be 100% efficient at generating heat regardless of the cycle efficiency dictating how much heat it moves from point A to B. It starts at 100% efficiency and evolves upward, win-win.

Here is another example of the absurdity of how we think of Energy. I have a light bulb indoors and they say it is only 10% efficient at producing light which means it must also be 90% efficient at producing heat. Thus the total efficiency would depend on whether it is cold outside or not, lol. As well if we place the a small light inside a black metal box next to our window and sun light hits the black box then the COP could be greater than 1, over 100% efficient at generating heat indoors relative to the input. You see context matters whenever we are speaking of Energy.



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Yes I catch your drift AC rather in the fashion reactive volt amps used to be described as a “watt less component” and the result of the “watt less component” ? Why its heat of course. The fact that its heat where it isn't required is really neither here nor there and rather more to do with our treatment of entropy. You are quite correct AC but it takes time to be weaned off thinking and quoting classic dogma ,
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Yes I catch your drift AC rather in the fashion reactive volt amps used to be described as a “watt less component” and the result of the “watt less component” ? Why its heat of course. The fact that its heat where it isn't required is really neither here nor there and rather more to do with our treatment of entropy. You are quite correct AC but it takes time to be weaned off thinking and quoting classic dogma
I hope I didn't sound to critical but I think this is super important and it took me a very long time to deprogram my misguided way of thinking. It's very easy to fall into the mainstream way of thinking which is counter-productive and even harder to see past it.

The alter-ego here is that when someone say's heat or energy is wasted then that simply means it has been relocated to some other place where it may still be available to us. My nemesis is when people say water is being wasted, really?, the amount of water on this planet is finite and in all it's history not one single drop has ever been wasted according to natural law. It is simply relocated for use at a later date by something or someone else, no more no less.

As well it is comical when other people finally "get it" , I was watering my 100+ new trees heavily from my dugout a while back and a friend said " I can't believe your wasting all that water" and my reply was " I'm not wasting anything, the excess water is going right back to where I got it from... the ground". Well, he went silent for a moment and I could tell he was thinking pretty hard then he said ... I never thought of that, city folks lol go figure.

The fact is that in nature nothing is "wasted", all is utilized and everything is accounted for. This is natural law and it is we who are misguided in thinking our beliefs must somehow overrule billions of years of natural law. The people in New York learned there lesson and the mighty American machine was brought to it's knee's and was powerless against some wind and water. That was just a wake up call, natures way of saying we are nothing more than a bug on a it's proverbial windshield. I feel for the victims but not unlike children some lessons can only be learned the hard way. If we want to create our own little misguided world and pretend we are untouchable then it is only a matter of time before mother nature breaks down the door and teaches us a thing or two about who is actually in charge.

In any case once we understand natural law versus most misguided textbook theory then things start to make much more sense. Our beliefs and supposed laws are based on our limited perception of nature, not natural law in itself.

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Old 11-04-2013, 09:33 PM
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How much current???

Heating up the pipe is nice and a pipe allows for water cooling. What I would like to know is how much current is generated?

I think spinning magnets in a water cooled set of pipe coils would make a high current generator. This would be an improvement on the Faraday Disk used to create the high current used in the Navy's rail guns.
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:59 AM
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Exactly

Mykra, This is just what I'm working on.
Any time you run anything ,you always create heat.
May as well use it.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:53 PM
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Mykra, This is just what I'm working on.
Any time you run anything ,you always create heat.
May as well use it.
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Quite right, Shylo!

A while ago I managed to light a white LED using a Peltier module with a large CPU heatsink on the back feeding a 'Joule Thief' oscillator just with the heat from my laptop power supply 'brick'!

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Old 11-25-2013, 08:18 AM
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I agree Allcanadian, if it's an open system, then energy can be pulled from the environment and we're not breaking any thermodynamic laws. Ilya Prigogine did research on open systems and it's possible to have self organizing processes (the reverse of entropy) happen in open systems: Ilya Prigogine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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However if energy could be drawn in from some other source in an open system then there is no law saying we could not gain something.

The heat pump is a good example because it must always be 100% efficient at generating heat regardless of the cycle efficiency dictating how much heat it moves from point A to B. It starts at 100% efficiency and evolves upward, win-win.

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