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Old 09-23-2013, 03:34 AM
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Why Wardenclyffe did never become operational

Tesla knew he would not see Wardenclyffe completed.


Read this and tell me what you think.

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Tesla knew he would not see Wardenclyffe completed.


Read this and tell me what you think.

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Clever. However maybe the last part is not a computer metering device but simply a comprehension of how this energy interacts with automatons (living bodies). Remember that he thought he could live 150 years .There was reports about strange phenomena when Tesla experimented in Colorado Springs. In 1898 he didn't also want to tell about deriving energy from ambient directly while in 1931 he demonstrated it with his Pierce Arrow car. I think he changed his mind about global energy distribution being too dangerous in hands of corrupted minds....especially if it can have big influence on life directly. Good and bad Orgone, odic force, messmerism (animal magnetism) and other strange theories may in fact have a quite solid ground. Also very old ancient civilisations are full of descriptions of marwellous inventions we can't cope with today....
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Tesla's vision.

Hi Ernst.

My feeling is that Tesla understood our real energy related problem to be the human organ organising humanity itself.


Hi Boguslaw.

Suppose you had your own Hubbard or Hendershot type generator back in 1931, and after both of these gentlemen had been bought off, you wanted to demonstrate to the whole of humanity what remains possible for them, yet without revealing any of the secrets which might otherwise become misused by those who could not be trusted with the device.

Would you not wire up a couple of disinfo antennas and intimate that the power came from the Aether, plus further distract attention by plugging in a few radio tubes purchased from the local wireless service workshop to 'show' that that power was being received as if by radio ?
Two whip antennas empowering a motor car ?


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Excellent Reasoning Graham, but, after an overview of the general populas of Sheeple, today, would you feel any different, NOW?.

Also i do believe, that all this Tech, is in use today.

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Excellent Reasoning Graham, but, after an overview of the general populas of Sheeple, today, would you feel any different, NOW?.

Also i do believe, that all this Tech, is in use today.

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Hi Cornboy,

Yes, because the human organs organising humanity are much worse than they once were,
and hence the need to look out for ourselves without dependence upon that which can (will) be taken away !

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Actually ..you are wrong. Tesla never did that way, he used cryptic patents, hidden analogy but never misleading. He was so far in future and misunderstood he even didn't needed to choose that way. Better THINK what he said during demostration.....
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Actually ..you are wrong. Tesla never did that way, he used cryptic patents, hidden analogy but never misleading. He was so far in future and misunderstood he even didn't needed to choose that way. Better THINK what he said during demostration.....
Hi boguslaw,

I'm not writing about Tesla's Patents, nor what he said/ wrote.

He had a 'free energy' generator, but after the demo he stripped it out from his expensive car and did nothing more with it.

Is there a cryptic Patent on a completely independent home sized 'free energy' generator due to Tesla anywhere ?

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i believe i have discovered the key in revelation. they are blueprints

and the simple fact is that tesla told people where to look for the solution and in what state of mind you need to be in.

both go together.
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i believe i have discovered the key in revelation. they are blueprints

and the simple fact is that tesla told people where to look for the solution and in what state of mind you need to be in.

both go together.
Hi logos,

Are you thinking of the "Alpha and the Omega".

Alpha -
Alpha particle, or
angular acceleration, or
the return in excess for the cost of investment, or
Iron Ferrite and its numerous phases within materials science*

Omega -
the rotation rate of an object, particularly a planet, in dynamics, or
radian frequency*

I believe Tesla stated without elaborating that he had another use for iron.

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Oh, boy...."now we have the power"
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Oh, boy...."now we have the power"
I couldn't -
you made me
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See...Tesla never fooled us !

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Tesla's_Pierce-Arrow

"As the story goes, Tesla inserted the two metal rods and announced confidently, "We now have power" and then proceeded to drive the car for a week, "often at speeds of up to 90 mph." One account says the motor developed 1,800 rpm and got fairly hot when operating, requiring a cooling fan. The "converter" box is said to have generated enough electrical energy to also power the lights in a home.


The mystery for me is : who was the first, because before Tesla presented his device (Pierce Arrow generator) there was plenty of inventors (Hubbard and Hendershot being the most famous). Principle is however ONE as always WAS. The key is correctly depicted by Ernst ans you can find it in many pieces and especially in many parts of Tesla famous article.
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See...Tesla never fooled us !

The mystery for me is : who was the first.....
No. Tesla showed us; and yet he maintained 'the secret'.

Anyone ever break the 'codes' which Tesla reportedly wrote in ?
Did he actually write in codes - or was he attempting to raise the quality of his reader's minds ?

Hubbard and Hendershot developed their equipments prior to Tesla demonstrating his Pierce Arrow,
but as to who was first ? since the Egyptians ? or farther away ?
No matter, all we have been left with today is a sorry state of here and now !

Which is really more powerful -
the need of an intuitive individual, or the want of organised science ?

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Yes, because the human organs organising humanity are much worse than they once were,
and hence the need to look out for ourselves without dependence upon that which can (will) be taken away !

Cheers ........... Graham.
You are Dead right, GSM, what passes for human food these days, for the masses, is contrived.

I am a commercial, Bio-Dynamic, farmer, and if you are not growing your own food chemical free, your health will be in big trouble, in the future.

Warm Regards Cornboy.
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Actually ..you are wrong. Tesla never did that way, he used cryptic patents, hidden analogy but never misleading. He was so far in future and misunderstood he even didn't needed to choose that way. Better THINK what he said during demostration.....
What Ernst could and should do is document us how Tesla was educated !
A lot of mechanics, steam transmission, akoustics, very little chemistry and a lot of ether. To name a few.
And for us here how did he got this radiant stuff ?
That is easy to answer; the first telegraph people discovered that they needed far less repeaters then calculated
and found out that their system kept working with depleted batteries !! We all know that Edison tricked Tesla
with his $50000 promise. Tesla thought right mister i will use your radiant patent ! Simple times by simple people.

*Can gsm stop his 'cheers' please? They remind me of ubershill Farmshill !

*Why did Ernst split his subject and plays 'i know a secret and you don't ?

*Boguslaw is it true that Tesla's demostration box was a mini Wardenclyffe ?
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Hi GSM,

When you are refering to Tesla's patents, are those the patents available to the public or all of his patents, known and unknown.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Nikola Tesla was an inventor who obtained around 300 patents[2] worldwide for his inventions. Some of Tesla's patents are not accounted for, and various sources have discovered some that have lain hidden in patent archives. There are a minimum of 278 patents[2] issued to Tesla in 26 countries that have been accounted for. Many of Tesla's patents were in the United States, Britain, and Canada, but many other patents were approved in countries around the globe.[3] Many inventions developed by Tesla were not put into patent protection.
List of Nikola Tesla patents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've read a lot more than 300 but how do we find out for sure. Could be 2 sets of records, ours filled with genuine patents and the blanks left by the missing ones filled with patent applications. I have talked to a person (I know him personaly) that saw first hand demonstration of water completely combusting after a powder was mixed to it. That happened in NYC in the late 80's.

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[2] : a b Šarboh, Snežana (October 18–20, 2006). "Nikola Tesla's Patents" (PDF). Sixth International Symposium Nikola Tesla. Belgrade, Serbia. p. 6. Archived from the original on October 30, 2007. Retrieved October 8, 2010. "The investigation also implies that total number of Tesla's patents could be about 300, though it is considered that the number of the Tesla's original patents is final."
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Surely there are Tesla patents not available to public, but among those available there are some very very strange indeed. If you find them you should immediately got a feeling Tesla was tried to cover some bigger idea inside some ordinary looking inventions like fountain.


Hobby Eon

I don't remember, maybe ask Mr Tesla ? But seriously , I wasn't there to see the demonstration, I was rather busy that day in 1931
I tried to find any newspaper articles but online there aren't so many really. You would be in better situation as you can go to US library and take a look. C'mon, do that !
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When you are refering to Tesla's patents .............
????? ..... I haven't.

Though I do have both Books of Revelations - the Bible, and the one referred to in Ernst's link which opened this thread.

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I'm curious about something.
How do we know if Wardenclyffe was the the transmitter or receiver?

It seems to me it was the receiver. AFAIK there is no power generation facilities on Long Island.
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Hi GSM,

Sorry if I did not get the meanning right when you refered to the underlined passage below. I assumed you did look at the patents available and found no free energy device mentioned.

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Hi boguslaw,

I'm not writing about Tesla's Patents, nor what he said/ wrote.

He had a 'free energy' generator, but after the demo he stripped it out from his expensive car and did nothing more with it.

Is there a cryptic Patent on a completely independent home sized 'free energy' generator due to Tesla anywhere ?

Cheers ................. Graham.

His understanding of ancient Sanskrit texts did influenced his writings early on. Here is a quote describing some of his studies and work that influenced his conception of the world around us :
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Nikola Tesla used ancient Sanskrit terminology in his descriptions of natural phenomena. As early as 1891 Tesla described the universe as a kinetic system filled with energy which could be harnessed at any location. His concepts during the following years were greatly influenced by the teachings of Swami Vivekananda. Swami Vivekananda was the first of a succession of eastern yogi's who brought Vedic philosophy and religion to the west. After meeting the Swami and after continued study of the Eastern view of the mechanisms driving the material world, Tesla began using the Sanskrit words Akasha, Prana, and the concept of a luminiferous ether to describe the source, existence and construction of matter. This paper will trace the development of Tesla's understanding of Vedic Science, his correspondence with Lord Kelvin concerning these matters, and the relation between Tesla and Walter Russell and other turn of the century scientists concerning advanced understanding of physics. Finally, after being obscured for many years, the author will give a description of what he believes is the the pre-requisite for the free energy systems envisioned by Tesla.
Nicola Tesla, Albert Einstein and Swami Vivekananda

These ancient Sanakrit texts describe flying vimanas of different size, weapons and other concepts that influenced his writings and researches. He also knew many prolific inventors of the time that also influenced him, Stubblefield to name one that used free energy devices in a smaller package but similar to Tesla Wardenclyffe magnifying transmitter.

Take care all,

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For his generators Tesla 'borrowed' a lot the from the Belgian inventior Gramme.
Tesla invented the coaxial cable ?? Edison was forced to put his high voltage cables underground.
He invented a copperpipe isolated by rope and tar and put in a cast iron pipe. There is your coax cable invention.
Phuh !
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For his generators Tesla 'borrowed' a lot the from the Belgian inventior Gramme.
Tesla invented the coaxial cable ?? Edison was forced to put his high voltage cables underground.
He invented a copperpipe isolated by rope and tar and put in a cast iron pipe. There is your coax cable invention.
Phuh !
Oh! Thanks, tar is a good discovery.
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For his generators Tesla 'borrowed' a lot the from the Belgian inventior Gramme.
Perhaps because the Gramme machines were the only 'real' working electrical dynamos at the time?

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He invented a copperpipe isolated by rope and tar and put in a cast iron pipe. There is your coax cable invention.
Phuh !
I'd love to see the facts for this one, Edison was putting down those underground powerlines before Tesla was even out of college.
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To be corrected

Why doesn't Ernst correct this one ?

Wardenclyffe Tower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In England mr. Faraday gave the royal lectures. Tesla began to copy this too.
And he extremely envied Wilhelm Röntgen for his invention and tried to steal that claim also.

Maybe Tenaus doesn't understand this also ? (= his problem)
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Actually, it is well documented that Tesla was not interested in Royal Lectures because they interfered with his work. Also, Royal Lectures aren't exclusive to Faraday and Tesla, many other people gave lectures, you seem to imply that they weren't common.

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From all parts of the world I received urgent invitations and numerous honors and other flattering inducements were offered to me, which I declined.

But in 1892 the demands became irresistible and I went to London ... It had been my intention to leave immediately for Paris in compliance with a similar obligation, but Sir James Dewar insisted on my appearing before the Royal Institution. I was a man of firm resolve but succumbed easily to the forceful arguments ... The next evening I gave a demonstration before that Institution, ... I fled from London and later from Paris to escape favors showered upon me, and journeyed to my home ... I began to formulate plans for the resumption of work in America.
Its easy to see that Tesla did not even want to lecture, and although he was convinced, he was very reluctant.

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He often praised Roentgen for his discovery. Do you have any proof that Tesla envied Roentgen?

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What is it that I do not understand? What is my problem? Your words are extremely unspecific and I can derive no meaning from them.

If you want to show that I don't understand things, or have a problem, why don't you present evidence to prove it, like I do?
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I knew it.

[Ernst i knew there had to be something very filthy at that Wikipedia enterprise]

Eastblock folk (gypsies) are stealers by nature. Tesla was no exception.
The inventor of a.c. yeah right ..! Watch this short item at 50 sec.

1891 Generator Electrotechnical Exposition - YouTube

The man read everything he could lay his hands on..
Neonlight wasn't his, rf wasn't his, threephase wasn't his, the squirrelcage motor wasn't his, etc.
And radiant wasn't his. People should get out of this mystification grip !

Why not tell us the history of Edisons radiant matter ?
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Eastblock folk (gypsies) are stealers by nature. Tesla was no exception.
The inventor of a.c. yeah right ..!
What an awful negative statement Hobby Eon !

from - Tesla's Biography

In February 1882, Tesla discovered the rotating magnetic field, a fundamental principle in physics and the basis of nearly all devices that use alternating current. Tesla brilliantly adapted the principle of rotating magnetic field for the construction of alternating current induction motor and the polyphase system for the generation, transmission, distribution and use of electrical power.

Tesla had failed filament lamps illuminating like neons in his hand. Did his audience and you know they were not neons ?
Also he thought RF not the best option for transmission, so he wilfully chose to not develop it.

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What Ernst could and should do is document us how Tesla was educated !
A lot of mechanics, steam transmission, akoustics, very little chemistry and a lot of ether. To name a few.
And for us here how did he got this radiant stuff ?
That is easy to answer; the first telegraph people discovered that they needed far less repeaters then calculated
and found out that their system kept working with depleted batteries !! We all know that Edison tricked Tesla
with his $50000 promise. Tesla thought right mister i will use your radiant patent ! Simple times by simple people.

*Can gsm stop his 'cheers' please? They remind me of ubershill Farmshill !

*Why did Ernst split his subject and plays 'i know a secret and you don't ?

*Boguslaw is it true that Tesla's demostration box was a mini Wardenclyffe ?
You really are bitter twisted little weak minded individual aren't you Hobby Horse.

If someone using Cheers reminds you of me then you have a serious mental
problem that you ought to get checked out.

Call me shill all you like but all it will do it make you look the fool.

Retract the statement please. Edit the post and remove it or I will do more about it.

This is a site of free speech, but that does not include defamatory, insulting or inflammatory comments about people.

You abuses are to undermine the thread and it is you who is the shill in my opinion.

Ernst can request you or both of us leave this thread, but if the statement is withdrawn I will withdraw my nasty words.

If not I will let loose.

I use the same name "Farmhand" on several forums and it is my name, using it to defame me is actionable as defamation is an issue.

Hows this sound, start a thread to specifically show my shill activities, I dare and challenge you,
if you do not do that I will consider you nothing but a trap flapper. And a character assassinator.

How many accounts do you have here Hobby Eon anyway ?


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[Ernst i knew there had to be something very filthy at that Wikipedia enterprise]

Eastblock folk (gypsies) are stealers by nature. Tesla was no exception.
The inventor of a.c. yeah right ..! Watch this short item at 50 sec.

1891 Generator Electrotechnical Exposition - YouTube

The man read everything he could lay his hands on..
Neonlight wasn't his, rf wasn't his, threephase wasn't his, the squirrelcage motor wasn't his, etc.
And radiant wasn't his. People should get out of this mystification grip !

Why not tell us the history of Edisons radiant matter ?
I'd really like to see you prove those statements. I'd also like to see you reply to my post.

Why is it that you only come here to make easily refutable statements, and arguments and accusations without merit, or backing? You sound like a robot randomly spewing out random information that is useless to us.

Then you try to claim certain people are shills or something, and still give no evidence to support your claim.

Perhaps you should just leave, since I have never seen you readily contribute to any thread in this forum.
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