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Old 09-12-2013, 08:06 AM
telemachus telemachus is offline
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Need Advice about Building a Searl Effect Generator or Similar Device

Hello,

I am interested in building a searl effect-type generator. I've read a lot of the literature and I am familiar with the Searl device (SEG), the MEC device by Godin and Roschin and Paul Murad's Morningstar Energy box (http://www.americanantigravity.com/f...plication.pdf), which seems to have demonstrated substantial weight loss of as much as 20%,

I've heard that Searl's company has spent more than $500,000 on machines and equipment, I know that these actual devices cost a lot of money to build but I would like to try to replicate one while being on a frugal budget.

Does anyone have experience with buying the parts for cheap to build one of these devices? I think some of the materials can be sourced from machinists. I would also love to get in touch with other inventors who are trying to build a device like the SEG/MEC/or Morningstar Energy Box. If you're interested in working together, please send me a private message and I'll contact you. Thanks.

Peter
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:13 PM
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Have you looked at his early stuff? Before the precision german plastics, advanced magnetic materials and the like.

I've heard him talk about his 40s and 50s stuff and it didn't sound like he was using very difficult to find equipment back then. He's a smart guy though, like coca cola he keeps the real useable data unpatented and under wraps.

Good luck to you
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:29 PM
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Yes he certainly has been working on this idea for decades, has spent lots of money, well at least someone’s money, has made great claims as to what his device can and will do. However I have yet to see so much as one fully complete and 100% operational unit or even just a working scale model to demonstrate the principle.

But then I suppose we shouldn’t be too quick to criticize maybe he just needs a little more money and a couple more decades to come up with a real honest to goodness working unit.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:39 PM
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Apparently John Searle had a dream in his boyhood years in which he was given the knowledge on how to build the SEG. Back then, as has been said above, it couldn't have been overly complex.

Have a look at this (George Green's magnet "motor")
Project Camelot looks at George Green's magnetic motor - YouTube

I can't help but wonder if it is a simplified version of the SEG.
Comments, anyone?
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:29 AM
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Thanks for all your replies and suggestions. I see a real range of opinions about Searl and his SEG devices.

Even if Mr. Searl is not telling us the whole story, or even if the SEG doesn't work, I do believe that these types of devices -- rotating magnets arranged in a concentric circle, whether it's the SEG, or Roschin and Godin's device, or Paul Murad's Morningstar device-- these devices have a similar type of design that is manifesting some type of gravitational force. It's no coincidence that all these researchers used similar types of designs.

I refer back to these interviews and articles by Paul Murad (on his Morningstar device):
Paul Murad's Searl Effect Generator
http://www.americanantigravity.com/f...eplication.pdf
Weight reduction is happening and Murad has worked with top notch physicists and engineers to make the Morningstar device.

In an interview with American Antigravity, Eugene Podkletnov also mentions that some kind of rotating composite material can create gravity fields (and possibly weight changes too), listen especially at the 20 to 22 minute mark in his interview at Eugene Podkletnov on Antigravity
Of course Podkletnov used rotating superconductors in his original experiments but Podkletnov seems to support that other materials and designs can also achieve weight changes and possibly anti-gravity affects.

So I'm hoping that we can start some kind of community research project and share knowledge and info about cheaply available materials that can do the same thing, and when we reach some achievable and workable design, we can even open source the information and share with the world. Anyone interested in working on this?
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Old 09-14-2013, 01:53 AM
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Interesting factum on Podkletnov's use of composite materials. I believe Keshe has mentioned in some of his talk radio interviews that his flying saucers were made of some kind of "plastic" material.
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Old 09-16-2013, 10:32 PM
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Hey Awesome Thread !!!

I've been interested in the SEG and anti-gravity ever since I saw it Patrick Kelly's - Practical Guide to Free Energy Devices.Which kinda kicked of my interest in the free energy field a year ago,
came across a Jack Scholze Channel vid on youtube:

Lolo Neoball Resonant Spinner II - YouTube

Especially about Terfenol-D possibly punching through a few barriers,although that stuff insanely EXPENSIVE

Thanx for the cool thread!!

Dan
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:49 AM
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If you have not read the 97 page Paul Brown document, do a search on scribd.com for "Paul Brown - Zero Point Energy, Kinetic Magnetism, John Searl Effect Levity Disc Generator." This document has a number of letters written by the late Paul Brown, PhD, to John Searl regarding his efforts to replicate his early work. It also a number of other articles, including a SEG manufacturing procedure, at least for the early models. Searl's early magnetization set-up was rather crude, consisting of surplus equipment designed to demagnetize aircraft turbines and hand-operated switch gear. The $500,000 figure refers to the replacement cost, not Searl's actual investment, which was probably pennies per pound for surplus equipment.

Replicating Dr. Brown's work based on his sketches and commentary is quite doable in the typical garage workshop environment. Neodymium magnets, much stronger than what Searl had available in 1950-60's can be purchased off the shelf at reasonable prices from kjmagnetics.com.

Searl went on to mature his design by imprinting a magnetic sine wave like pattern on his rollers, unlike Godin & Roschin and Paul Murad who implanted small rod like magnets into their rollers. How the sine pattern was imprinted, like the formula for coca-cola referred by dward in post No. 2, is the one of things Searl never revealed. I've yet to find anything on the web regarding this question, so I will speculate that the roller to be magnetized was encased inside two fairly thick lead tubes with an interlocking sine wave pattern cut-out between them. The electrical field of the magnetizing set-up would only magnetize the exposed area of the roller.

Like Mad Scientist in post No. 3, I've yet to see an actual live video of an SEG with a central stator core and two or more rows of rollers. Or an SEG which is self-running and generating electrical power.
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Old 09-18-2013, 03:43 PM
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@Morningstar:

The "sine-wave" magnetic impression described by Searl seems to be part of the magnetic field ~ (please take a look at the attached PDF of Searl's earlier information).

I don't have the means to attempt manufacturing permanent ferrite magnets like is described in this document.

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Old 09-19-2013, 02:53 AM
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roller possibilites

Just a quick thought as to how the sine wave pattern is on the rollers. Take several bar magnets and stack them like stacking books on top of each other. Then fan them in a helix from bottom to top. Fasten showhow, glue or something. Then slide the helix into a copper tube. You could make any pattern you want. Just my two cents, good luck guys.
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Old 09-19-2013, 04:32 AM
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Every time i think about that sinewave process i keep thinking of good old fashioned tape players. It has got to be a similar process.
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Old 09-19-2013, 07:05 AM
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Hey, awesome info, guys! Thank you all for sharing. I found a pdf link of the Paul Brown article,
just go to http://upwap.ru/d/3240033/1e83403c1f...erator-97p.pdf This pdf file is too big for the energetic forum's file limit so I couldn't attach it here.

Thanks Morningstar for the info: you say it is quite doable to do this in a garage workshop environment, but it still seems difficult to me. The parts seem pretty hard to put together. But I don't have any experience in metal-work.

Perhaps there are discussion groups out there, for SEG builders?
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:51 PM
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What about the early segmented disc design? It sounds simple. Figure one describes a single segmented disc with coils around it. I'm not sure about the specifics of the design. It is said that there is a dielectric component (maybe some sort of plastic) as well. Does anyone have more information on this? Here is the link to the article with the early single disc design. I believe that this is the original design that broke free from the link to the gas engine and took off speeding up on its own. http://www.searlsolution.com/documen...tor.pdf‎
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:45 PM
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Hi Telemachus!
You and me contacted some time ago here.

The only non-exotic antigravity mechanism that I've seen that is possible to build at home was from a Greek inventor that I don't remember how he is called.
But the main mechanism was a giroscopic system where he used something similar to inertial propulsion. It seems quite easy to build if you compare it with other systems. We can try if you want..
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Old 10-12-2013, 04:34 PM
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I've been trying to figure out for a while now, how to make a gyro/inertal lift system that can be powered by bicycle drivetrains. Unfortunately I've not been able to make heads or tails of how to do it. I would love to read up on what that greek guy invented if you can remember his name/website.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:33 AM
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Hi AetherScientist:

Nice to hear from you again. If you do remember the name and link, please do share the details of this gyroscopic system. Thanks.

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Hi Telemachus!
You and me contacted some time ago here.

The only non-exotic antigravity mechanism that I've seen that is possible to build at home was from a Greek inventor that I don't remember how he is called.
But the main mechanism was a giroscopic system where he used something similar to inertial propulsion. It seems quite easy to build if you compare it with other systems. We can try if you want..
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Old 05-11-2014, 06:54 PM
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My name is Jason Verbelli and I work with Professor John Searl and Fernando Morris in San Diego, CA.

I put this PDF together so people can get an idea of John's technology, gain context and understanding of what it actually takes.


Understanding the SEG - Reality of Costs/ "Blueprints" - Mock Up vs Prototype - Coherence vs Chaos - History of John Searl - Current Status of Project & Context:
Understanding John Searl's SEG
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:10 PM
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Hello,

I am interested in building a searl effect-type generator. I've read a lot of the literature and I am familiar with the Searl device (SEG), the MEC device by Godin and Roschin and Paul Murad's Morningstar Energy box (http://www.americanantigravity.com/f...plication.pdf), which seems to have demonstrated substantial weight loss of as much as 20%,

I've heard that Searl's company has spent more than $500,000 on machines and equipment, I know that these actual devices cost a lot of money to build but I would like to try to replicate one while being on a frugal budget.

Does anyone have experience with buying the parts for cheap to build one of these devices? I think some of the materials can be sourced from machinists. I would also love to get in touch with other inventors who are trying to build a device like the SEG/MEC/or Morningstar Energy Box. If you're interested in working together, please send me a private message and I'll contact you. Thanks.

Peter
Hi guys.
After so many years and heaps of money, the SEG is still in the "mock-up" and "prototype" phase. No decent (OU) measurements are available, that confirm any of the claims. Mr. Searl calls himself "professor", but he doesn't reveal which university.

I prefer to wait until the final measurements from the prototypes become available.

Best of luck,
Ben
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