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Old 03-29-2013, 11:21 PM
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Perpetual Motion again

How these machines work in the mind of Inventors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KqOwJKWIAw
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Motion Perpetual...Overunity...

Nice Video,

Motion Perpetual exists...

Overunity exists...

All are Real...and very possible to be replicated...

We have been "doped" by "Classic Physics" for more than 130 years...


We have in front of our eyes working perpetual motion devices for decades...and THEY have told Us that "only work with Fuel Explosions" as Initial Power...not real...not true...they could work with Gravity...they could work with magnetism...Unbalanced Forces of different Vectors, different movements combined, like linear with rotary...or else... Asymmetrical Structured Mechanisms...are endless.

We just "establish" our own limits...


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Old 03-30-2013, 01:35 AM
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What is the point of your Project?

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How these machines work in the mind of Inventors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KqOwJKWIAw
Dear VE,

Obviously, neither of these machines run by themselves. What is the point of spending all of this money and time in creating these beautiful machines to repeatedly create the illusion that all of them work? Who's money are you spending? This can't simply be an ART project.

Are you interested in understanding how to let the Natural World energize our machines, or are you only interested in producing artful illusions?

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We have worked very hard to bring our exhibitions and workshops to students in Ontario. All of our machines and models were built in our spare time, without any financial support. We plan to relocate models and workshops to a permanent museum facility, but such expansion of our project will require financial aid.

Visual Education Project has received funding from The Trillium Foundation to develop a business plan. We also plan to federally incorporate in order to attract staff and museum grants in the future.
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They don't believe in perpetual motion. They've gotten several million views on youtube which i think could have generated several thousand dollars if they are youtube partners, they are also directing every viewer to donate on their website. Plus the funding from the fundation and considering its a team of several people, that would explain why they have such nice models.

The models do look great but implying they work by themselves is not right.
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They don't believe in perpetual motion. They've gotten several million views on youtube which i think could have generated several thousand dollars if they are youtube partners, they are also directing every viewer to donate on their website. Plus the funding from the fundation and considering its a team of several people, that would explain why they have such nice models.

The models do look great but implying they work by themselves is not right.
So, you are going to count the others money? Shame on you. As a non profit organisation I have rights to except donation. From over seven M visitors one lady only from Italy donate us $15. Great. The others do not like "Free Energy"
They like "Energy for free" and they are happy to share something with others. The truth does not matter. Can you count my money I spent for hundreds of free presentations for students? Do I believe in PM? I'm the only one who made 15 practical models and discussion on my site is biggest on the Web. My answer: I'd like to believe.
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That's great that you like to believe...yet your intention appears to be, to deceive people with trickery to gain publicity. Illusions are fine as long as you tell people its an illusion.

I applaud you for the models you built and did not mean to offend you. I would support your efforts if you would simply disclose in your presentations that what you have is not self running.

Its nice to see models and to know those designs don't work. People can then spend time and focus on alternate designs that may work.
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YouTube's become the world's stage... for acts of illusion, comedy, drama, sheer stupidity, you name it!
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Do I believe in PM? I'm the only one who made 15 practical models and discussion on my site is biggest on the Web. My answer: I'd like to believe.
In other words. No you don't believe. Is it so painful to answer a question
directly and clearly.

You don't believe in man made Perpetual Motion, and yet you make models
that appear to work, you use text which could be unclear to some and imply that
the machines are workable, in the context people assume workable as
perpetual motion machines and you encourage people build the machines to
find out. Some are thinking they will be building perpetual motion machines.

People link the video's as examples of perpetual motion machines, so some are
obviously being misled by you.

My opinion is, you do and say whatever you like and so will others.

I think you do way more harm than good with these video's, mainly because of
the lack of a clear statement they do not work as perpetual motion machines. I think it's wrong.

Lectures to students is different, it's not public.

Anyway good luck to you in whatever it is you are trying to achieve.

No need to reply, no hard feelings, just my opinion. Feel welcome to try to change it.

Cheers

As far as Non-Profit goes, you could all take a wage and call it administration
costs, non-profit means very little, all you have to do is make the
wages/costs exceed the donations/income and kapow non-profit organisation.

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Old 04-01-2013, 05:23 AM
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Curious visitors can go to Online Engineering Museum to read a "clear statement".
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Since the veproject vid's have come up a number of times from new people asking if they are real the first time I saw one I just dug around a little - "Google is your friend" .... very little trouble to see they clearly state they are to stimulate the imagination of students in science. Am I not correct veproject1? I don't see any problem with what veproject is doing. I think it's a good thing. I think they actually get a lot of people to end up here or other energy forums looking for answers and I think that's a good thing. But the one thing I would like to see change on the veproject web site is to eliminate the statement that PM is not possible. Quite the opposite. All things are in perpetual motion from the smallest electrons to galaxies and planets. At least 13 Billion years is close enough to perpetual for me.
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:43 PM
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Since the veproject vid's have come up a number of times from new people asking if they are real the first time I saw one I just dug around a little - "Google is your friend" .... very little trouble to see they clearly state they are to stimulate the imagination of students in science. Am I not correct veproject1? I don't see any problem with what veproject is doing. I think it's a good thing. I think they actually get a lot of people to end up here or other energy forums looking for answers and I think that's a good thing. But the one thing I would like to see change on the veproject web site is to eliminate the statement that PM is not possible. Quite the opposite. All things are in perpetual motion from the smallest electrons to galaxies and planets. At least 13 Billion years is close enough to perpetual for me.
"I would like to see change on the veproject web site is to eliminate the statement that PM is not possible". Accepted.
Probably you are right. Would you like to participate in creation of a new statement? Other members are welcome.

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Hi veproject1, Having just looked again at your web site I don't seem to be able to find any statement along the lines of perpetual motion being impossible. I don't recall exactly where I saw it before. Have you already reworded that? What I see on the site now seems fairly good. To quote a couple things for anyone here too lazy to open up another page " Visual Education Project is designed to attract high school students, their parents and teachers to the world of engineering and technology. We offer hands-on lessons with science mentors to enhance learning processes, excite students and stimulate their interest in mechanical engineering."

And I believe this might be the new statement: "We are proud to announce that new channel “Munchausen Today” (“The obvious – an incredible”) is now available for viewing. This channel publishes Videos created on pseudo-scientific beliefs, unproven facts, false evidences, not-patented pseudo-scientific inventions. We do not encourage you to replicate anything you see in the videos. But you can ask yourself: is it really unbelievable with no chance to be true or does it require a further development to become believable.

Seven Videos are ready to grab your attention."

That is better although perhaps some mention of the following somewhere might be good: Some quotes from our member here AllCanadian: "many scientists and engineers still seem to reason along lines similar to Planck’s statement. They erroneously assume that “perpetual motion” is against the laws of physics. They erroneously infer that a system in perpetual motion would continually do work without any energy input—when basic perpetual motion actually has nothing at all to do with a machine receiving extra energy or doing work. Instead, it has to do with a system placed in motion remaining perpetually in that state of motion unless and until acted upon by an external force that changes it." <--- This quote was from an Dutch engineering document AllCanadian was quoting. His quote below"

"This gets to the very heart of the matter, the fact that many people have confused the context and terminology relating to perpetual motion. Physics states categorically that everything is in perpetual motion--period, but this does not mean anything has gained energy in any way, the conservation of energy will continue to hold true as it should."

I think it is fruitless to argue that perpetual motion does not exist for in our lifetime it is obvious that many things have been in motion all our lives and will continue to be long after. Electrons spinning around the nucleus of every atom perpetually, Earth spinning on it's axis, Earth rotating around our Sun, our Solar system rotating around our Galaxy, our Galaxy rotating around the Universe along with billions of other galaxies all in motion for over 13 billion years. Close enough to perpetual for me

And then there is the statement by one of the greatest scientists of all time Nicola Tesla:
"Throughout space there is energy. ... it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature."
So I think it is a mere Red Herring some use to argue perpetual motion since everything will be in motion so far beyond our lifetimes that is simply an attempt to mislead or distract from the issue of our ability to create free energy by "attaching to the very wheelwork of nature".
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"Such a device or system would be in violation of the law of Conservation of Energy, which states that energy can never be created or destroyed, and is therefore deemed impossible by the laws of physics. Our working models assist us to better explain the impossibility of Perpetual Motion"
Probably you have seen it here: Online Engineering Museum

Thank you for the comment

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Hi all!

veproject1 I love your models.

Here is the best example I can provide:

The energy comes from a very clever combination; gravity, centrifugal force, pendulum effect but with one way bearings making the pendulum positive + inertia and this is what allows this device to run.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l1cojripb...20deflects.mp4


This continued to run, snapped the chain to the motor/generator, then ran for 15 minutes before inventor got bored waiting before having to manually stop it running.

There is 192 kg of weights.

A very small version would need much less weight to prove it.

I welcome your opinion.

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Hi all!

veproject1 I love your models.

Here is the best example I can provide:

The energy comes from a very clever combination; gravity, centrifugal force, pendulum effect but with one way bearings making the pendulum positive + inertia and this is what allows this device to run.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l1cojripb...20deflects.mp4


This continued to run, snapped the chain to the motor/generator, then ran for 15 minutes before inventor got bored waiting before having to manually stop it running.

There is 192 kg of weights.

A very small version would need much less weight to prove it.

I welcome your opinion.

All the best,

Paul
Hi Paul

That's looking quite promising.

@veproject1

I like your site and models. The law of conservation of energy can
be stated:

'The energy of an isolated system is constant'

Therefore in a non isolated system the energy is not constant? I believe that Paul's project is non isolated.

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Hi all,

Just like wind, solar, thermal, atomic, possibly fire, the energy is from the environment.

Even if gravity and centrifugal force were constants, they can sum to something else when used with weights and one way bearings in this way to overpower the friction.

Pendulum effect is certainly not a constant and adds a positive gain.

Check out Charlie's replication experiments.

Back to your original idea of using freewheels John.

We need a way to reduce the backlash. Quality one way bearings is the only answer I have so far.

As you are an expert with mechanical design veproject1, please can you tell us if you have come across any solutions in your experience?

Also I wondered which CAD software do you use? As I have some project files in Solidworks format and also some jpgs if you are interested in replicating what appears to be a bonefide simple perpetual motion machine, patented as a torque amplifier.

The best thing about Mikhail's device is, you can actually see what is happening, as opposed to electronics which can be shrouded in secrecy, not only by the inventor but also by the oil corporations.

I await the day this train gets up to full speed.

Oh yeah, I was so interested in disclosing this technology I built:

GravInert

Best regards,

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Mikhail Dmitriyev was supposedly selling a gravity motor kit that produces real electricity years ago. All working gravity motors have resonance control device that regulates kinetic energy of the rotating mass to generate more usable output energy than input energy.

I personally disregard other types of perpetual motion devices because the energy density of these self-running machines is too small, practically useless in a real application.
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Hi freepenguin,

That is the first time I have heard Mikhail was doing this.

I do have contact with him via email.

Where did you hear that story?


Have you built Mikhail's device or experimented with the technology?

Charlie one of the replicators has just one weight doing 19 rotations with no assistance. With even more weight and better bearings it will do more.

Can you see how that can assist the rotation of a motor/generator?

How is it useless?

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