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Old 11-13-2007, 04:56 AM
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Ed Gray Simple Spark Tubes Circuit

Hello to everybody reading,

I'm new on this forum.
I'm webmaster of http://waterfuel.100free.com (water as fuel)
and http://radiant.100free.com (ZPE files)

I should make another update in the next weeks.

After reading, compiling all this data about waterfuel and ZPE,
I feel quite interrested by the Gray Tubes, because it has been succesfully reproduce by a few persons, and it is quite easy and cheap to make ... and the power IS BIG.

In my quest for the 'Fueless Electric Generator' opensourced, to give to the people that have no electricity to develop their confort/economy, living in very difficult conditions, the majority of the humans are in this case, I have not so much means to test many setups or buy much material ...I'm part of this very poor populations actually

SO, please, I'm looking for THE SHORTCUTS to make a reliable Gray Spark Converter;
I know it's possible, I read the McKay files on 'alfenergy yahoogroup';

Could anyone that have CLEAR AND USEFUL files or information, put this here on this thread.

I'm online only once or twice a week, so I can't answer often, BUT I'LL COME HERE to collect whatever you will post.

@ Mr. Lindemann: I know you are doing a GREAT job on the Attraction Motors, thanks and congratulations, going to be your version of the Free Generator, but I read also you know very well about Gray's secrets ....
Please, in the time we have all needed to start to produce generators for real use based on your discovery, could you help me with the necessary information to reproduce a Gray Converter. Also it seems cheaper and simpler to make a Gray Tube than an Attraction Motor !?

Thanks for your attention,
hope your help,
Daniel, MDG
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Old 11-18-2007, 05:38 AM
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Ed Gray simple spark tubes circuit

Hi Daniel, for the info you are seeking..... try joining this group on Yahoo.
link: EVGRAY : zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

A member there by the name Captainssbn is the one I'd suggest you communicate with, and do look through his posts and photo's.

Gerry
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:41 PM
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i wonder why you think a gray tube might be simpler than a "bedini" motor generator. Clearly it is not.
though I wonder if there's a way to get around the motor. In theory you could, create the spark, and capture the radiant with a lead acid battery right?
how about a 555 chip pulsing a flyback transformer through a transistor?
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:47 AM
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clear proofs are on the net

hi,
you know i'm trying to make a 'home cooker' for the South World, because there is nothing to cook in many places, no wood, and now kerosene and cooking gas too expensive ...

so we need at least 1kw; what bedini and most of others systems are far to be easy to give that power...

But with the Gray Spark Tube Converter, we get LOTS of power, like you can read in McKay files found in different forums.

Mark McKay even communicated with the son of Ed, named Mark also, and we are sure that the power come from the spark tubes, and the motor is a NORMAL pulsed motor !

see closeup pictures of the tubes here http://waterfuel.t35.com/zpe_gray_sparktube.html
(save the pages in your computer, this pics have been censured in one of my other websites already !) The devils are very actives

McKay reproduce emails of experimenters on the spark tubes; they use simple 2 stages Marx Generators to spark, and their comments are surprising !
One of them fried a 1,000 Amp meter on the tube's output.
Another fried a 50W resistor in 30 on the output, with 12W input.

It's VERY easy to reproduce and make it work !! I prepared already update on Gray with reproduction of McKay pdf files. That's fantastic !!

Mr Lindemann knows all that, as you will read on my new pages, because he was himself guiding the experimenter group .. he is a specialist in MANY of this ZPE technologies, he is a genius also ... but he is scared also, like 'everybody', and also he use this to sell staff, DVD, ... .

The lobby still making menaces to succesful experimenters.
the world is still enslaved to this international bankers, and they don't want to release 'us', bast ...

so Gray is a way, a very simple one, it uses Tesla discovery of the Radiant Wave created during a sharp DC pulse ... known since 100 years almost !

BUT be carefull, it is dangerous, because the energy recovery can be VERY HIGH, so don't go to high in primary voltage, 1.300V was what Gray used in his first demonstration system (using reversed small wall pluged transformer), that worked lamps and TV for one week nonstop on a small motorcycle battery ... he said he was recovering 99,99% of the energy ...

it works, but it's suppressed, like many others, just read Patrick Kellys' files at panaceauniversity.org, that the more complete, and it's 100% free, and he is not yet opressed. that's our chance !

best wishes,
Daniel, MDG
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:48 AM
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Has anybody replicated a gray tube yet?

Hello Daniel,

Thanks for your useful websites on free energy. My first curiosities in this field arose when I read about Peter's Edwin Gray descriptions and that fascinated me a lot because I thought that's it to free energy. I am pretty sure that it can be replicated. The problem is that I have not encountered anyone who claims that he's done it. Or maybe they're afraid to tell this. I think that there is more than enough information out on this subject, and if it WORKS then that's amazing. As I have understood from my studies, the secret of the tube lies in three things: 1. Sharp Impulses of High Voltage, 2. A Carbon Spark Gap 3. A good conductor with some tiny holes on it wrapped around the spark gap to capture the radiant energy. Splitting the positive is another issue which makes use of the high voltage to both drive the load and charge the battery.

I have not attempted to replicate these stuff yet but It is one of my future plans. I hope that one day, someone brave enough will come out and tell us loudly that yes I replicated it and it works and you can do it exactly like this.
I personally think that the main threat is towards those people who keep things secret!!! If you release whatever you know to the public, then why would anybody want to kill you unless you want to mass produce it.
It is not so difficult to see this when one browses through the free energy history. I think that Tesla was afraid to release it because he thought that these info may get into the hands of the evil. But what happened? He kept most of his work secret until those evil people apparently murdered him and got the documents they needed to produce weapons and etc...

Now is a time with the advent of the Internet that anybody can disclose secrets at a mass scale and can protect himself.
If anybody has replicated the Gray tube please speak out.

With Gratitude
Elias
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Old 11-26-2007, 01:03 PM
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NEW ! Large update of MDG's website -Waterfuel-ZPE-Ormus-JoeCell ..

Hello,

Still working on the website, I updated some pages and made around 60 new pages.
We are going to get our FREE ENERGY soon if we continue the hard work like this )

Special files on Stanley Meyer, 12 new pages created on the subject, quite a bunch of info !
- All secrets unveiled to reproduce the WFC : see map of pages at
http://waterfuel.100free.com/index.html

On ZPE also very important files have been added:

- Lots of details and replica of Edwin Gray's Tube Converter and EMA motor !
http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_gray.html

- Complete series of posts on Peter Lindemann ATTRACTION MOTOR, overunity device !
http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_lindemann.html

- Also my successfull experiments on Bedini Solid State Charger:
http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_bedini_solid.html


To see all the updates and new pages, go direct to:
http://waterfuel.100free.com/update.html#NOV07


Keeping the good work going,
Hope this helps,
Best regards,
MDG.
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The E.V. Gray group on yahoo might as well should be called the RotoVertor group. Thats all they talk about there and it got real old.

I built a gray tube and the assorted circuitry. I was able to light a flourescent bulb with one wire coming out of the tube on connected to the copper grid. The problem I had was switching the back end of the tube. I decided to go with mechanical switching as the other stuff burns out too fast. I am using a distributer off a V-8 pick up truck for the chopper circuit.

The tube itself was constructed from a clear acrylic tube with copper water pipe drilled and used as a shroud around the spark gap. The rods were tungston rod from a TiG welder. Also carbon graphite was used that was about an ohm in resistance. After shutting off the HV side of the circuit the bulb stayed lit for a long time until the cap discharged. 8-10 minutes. I had to manually move the electrode to get the spark to start. HV diodes are a must as well as a meter capable of reading 5kv though I ran it at about 3kv. Gloves too.
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hv details?

Hi Chip,

What HV cap are you using? What are you charging it with?
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Old 03-08-2008, 05:47 AM
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Hey Aaron,
The cap is a Aerovox 4uf 5kv. I'm driving it with an oil furnace 10000 vac spark ignition transformer with around 30-35vac from a homemade transistor multivibrator instead of the 120vac and then into a full wave 6kv bridge before the cap. That gives me around 3000vdc across the cap. I can adjust my multivibrator so I start low and work up with voltage. The most important thing IMO is the diodes. Before I had the HV diodes I used a few 1n4007 in series. The problem is when one let go then they all collapsed. Also I had a 1 mega ohm resistor in series in one experiment and at 3000vdc it jumped right across the resistor. Because the chopper circuit had a problem(not fast enough plus on time / off time out of proportion) when I got close I could feel a little discomfort and a slight pain. Also noise showed up on a radio I was listening to whenever I had an arc going whether I could see it or not. With the new chopper I'm building the rotor area versus the contact area divided by the circumferance(between poles) of the distributor cap should get me near the correct on time and off time I feel I need to make it work right. Once I have the static on time and off(proportion) time the frequency will be adjusted by controlling the rpm of the motor to the distributor rotor. Its a lot of goofin' around but I see as long as I make a short abrupt spike unidirectionally, I should be sucessful. Remember Gray had 3 of these for his motor. Makes me wonder if he was doing a sort of Tesla switch thing with these using the tube to absorb hv arcing instead of the brushes via clever timing and series paralleling the caps to maintain a potential??? A lot of experiments will have to be run. Right now I'm waiting for some parts to come in.
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Old 08-14-2008, 11:29 PM
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Here's an interesting video of a reproduced Gray tube:
EV Gray Radiant Event Proof of Principle
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Hello,

Still working on the website, I updated some pages and made around 60 new pages.
We are going to get our FREE ENERGY soon if we continue the hard work like this )

Special files on Stanley Meyer, 12 new pages created on the subject, quite a bunch of info !
- All secrets unveiled to reproduce the WFC : see map of pages at
http://waterfuel.100free.com/index.html

On ZPE also very important files have been added:

- Lots of details and replica of Edwin Gray's Tube Converter and EMA motor !
http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_gray.html

- Complete series of posts on Peter Lindemann ATTRACTION MOTOR, overunity device !
http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_lindemann.html

- Also my successfull experiments on Bedini Solid State Charger:
http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_bedini_solid.html


To see all the updates and new pages, go direct to:
http://waterfuel.100free.com/update.html#NOV07


Keeping the good work going,
Hope this helps,
Best regards,
MDG.
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where is it?

i would like to read it as well because my good friend is building such spark tubes but so far he got nothing from it.

if you are saying it is so easy-where is this drawing docyment that yiou say explains it all?

do you have info on the thing that you said fryed some curcutry?

if you build it wrong it can fry anything.

the point is that the tube must puned coorectly or something i do not know exactly so it's cavity would resonate and multyplay the power passed to it.
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Old 08-16-2008, 11:36 AM
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no problemo

I sugest you go and visit the mirror website ... and take time to save it because it seems they want to suppress my websites no?

http://waterfuel.t35.com/
and for ZPE http://waterfuel.t35.com/zpe_index.html

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your website

I would like to ask you a question. What is your email?
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@stephenafreter : If you need some webspace, drop me a mail (or a PM on the forum).

You can find my email address here: http://www.energeticforum.com/z/lamare/

I have my own (virtual) server....

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