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Old 02-25-2017, 03:06 PM
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Now i need rossi MAHG.
The KEY of ALL is always the HBE!!!
You can replace the steam with compressed air and you get the same reaction.

The pressure creates ONLY the force of impact required to break the bonds to hydrogen of water droplets on cold water (wall) but the key to everything always remains the HBE and not the condensation of the steam as people think for obtain the thrust creation. In history there are many examples of HBE, and all lead to the same result. The Giffard Injector, the Hydro-Electric Machine of Lord Armstrong and Faraday, the PDX device they use the Hydrogen Bond Energy. At the end you can build an home hydroelectric generator using compressed wet air (instead of steam) and water similar to PDX device.
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maybe this too ?
an HBE accelerator / cavity resonator ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

I have always wanted to experiment with that Claw ..and a small pulse
and now that 3D metal forming is available .......?

oh wouldn't that be sweet !!

HBE needs some simple proof of concept for the community
these other things take lots of prototyping ...
the Claw already works as advertised ,and the good news is ....

Who can get a patent on natures work ??

No One !!!

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maybe this too ?
....,and the good news is Who can get a patent on the Creators work ??

No One !!!

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Monsanto...

I'm sorry!

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I think the Bug [pistol shrimp] would be very upset ...if someone tried to patent his cavity resonator / claw..

prior Art to the extreme ...he was after all born with it ??
and to be clear its what he designed it to do ... disassociate the water molecule by making a shockwave [biological sonoluminescence knocking photons out of orbit....maybe he's an alien ??
and no I will make sure he is safe during the scan and not ask for his claw to be removed [OUCH]

maybe even a sedation to keep him happy

BTW Cherryman
I cannot tell you how much I luv your recent project
Amazing contribution to the community.

with much respect and gratitude

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Old 02-26-2017, 08:40 AM
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maybe this too ?
an HBE accelerator / cavity resonator ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

I have always wanted to experiment with that Claw ..and a small pulse
and now that 3D metal forming is available .......?

oh wouldn't that be sweet !!

HBE needs some simple proof of concept for the community
these other things take lots of prototyping ...
the Claw already works as advertised ,and the good news is ....

Who can get a patent on natures work ??

No One !!!

respectfully
Chet K
Hello..

Surely we are talking of the same reaction of PDX device based on HBE.. In this case the underwater water jet pulse to high speed creates the same effect.
As you can see there are some ways for obtain the same result.
Changing an little the PDX design you can obtain another working device.

Mother nature teachs us but we don't want open the eyes!!
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Old 02-27-2017, 12:53 AM
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Your understanding ?

tutanka
Now you make it easy [I hope]
you say this is a path to utilizing HBE ?

I would like you to guide me thru a build here ,

can you be specific in dimension and scale ,flow rates and PSI too?

I will post all here.... and at other forums [if successful]

??

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Would be good to work small and with things average replicator can access
but I can make whatever you wish here[water pumps Air compressors tanks etc
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Now you make it easy [I hope]
you say this is a path to utilizing HBE ?

I would like you to guide me thru a build here ,

can you be specific in dimension and scale ,flow rates and PSI too?

I will post all here.... and at other forums [if successful]

??

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Would be good to work small and with things average replicator can access
but I can make whatever you wish here[water pumps Air compressors tanks etc
YES..

HBE IS THE NEW SOURCE OF ENERGY.

HBE is very simple to understand and simple is build an working device similar PDX that use the thrust for run an hydroturbine for produce the electricity directly.

We are talking of new type of chemistry that we can call Mechanical Chemistry.

To the end HBE no need combustion but is released from water droplets when lost the electrons for impact.

You can use steam or compressed wet air as kinetic energy necessary for produce the HBE.

There are some example of HBE:

Henri Giffard - Steam Injector (very similar to PDX device)
Lord Armstrong/Michael Faraday - Hydro-Electric Machine
Peter Graneau - Arc explosion
Stan Meyer - Thermal Explosive Energy
Pistol Shrinp Effect
PDX device

all of these is made from HBE.. and I suggest to read papers made by Tucker Leavitt and Peter Graneau for open the mind to HBE.

When you know how HBE is made you can build all device you want without limitations. Cheers
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a big list of papers here From Graneau

The Passing of Dr. Peter Graneau

also Blog from Tucker Leavitt

Energy from Water? Precision Calorimetry of Water Arc Explosions

I am going to move forward with waterpulse Cavitation tests and the pistol shrimp claw 3D scan ,its a tiny test bed which can be scaled to any size
and is already Built by nature to break apart the water molecule and knock a photon from orbit in a 9000C sonoluminescent cavitation event.

I've heard before
"if it ain't broke don't fix it "

all comments welcomed and appreciated .

Chet K
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all will be shared OPEN SOURCE here and elsewhere
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see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcBb1CIRH8w for more clarity
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The Passing of Dr. Peter Graneau

also Blog from Tucker Leavitt

Energy from Water? Precision Calorimetry of Water Arc Explosions

I am going to move forward with waterpulse Cavitation tests and the pistol shrimp claw 3D scan ,its a tiny test bed which can be scaled to any size
and is already Built by nature to break apart the water molecule and knock a photon from orbit in a 9000C sonoluminescent cavitation event.

I've heard before
"if it ain't broke don't fix it "

all comments welcomed and appreciated .

Chet K
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all will be shared OPEN SOURCE here and elsewhere
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see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcBb1CIRH8w for more clarity
If you want watch an working HBE italian experiment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ihwyJ63MU

Because HBE don't appear only for mechanical impact but also if water droplets are submitted to the infrared radiation

Infrared radiation from sun or thermal spark removes the bonding electrons from water droplets and are absorbed from air like an sponge..

Also the Stan Meyer Injector works in this manner!!
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all will be shared OPEN SOURCE here and elsewhere
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see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcBb1CIRH8w for more clarity
the same HBE video but with sound (italian).. I suggest to watch to hear the reactor sound when is sent the breath inside .. https://youtu.be/LmDNDp6EO_w
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Well thank you Alessandro great ideas your shrimp i well.????? ???? ??????? ????? ???????-??????? ? ???????? ?????????? ???????-???????? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????. | ????????? i use fogger this winter the furnace and works ! HHO gas in my car seen savings.
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Moving forward with this open source project [the only kind to do]

Pistol shrimp cavity resonator testing
AKA
Shrimpy seadrive...
yes he does make a 60 mph PROPULSION JET [Topic Theme]

is the collapsing bubble causing HBE ?
condensate event ?
or ??

we shall see ,and to be clear the sample cavity Resonators once finished
and ready to experiment ..
will be offered No charge to Builders here [and elsewhere] that meet the open source criteria

to add to this science ...Not for profit....

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Moving forward with this open source project [the only kind to do]

Pistol shrimp cavity resonator testing
AKA
Shrimpy seadrive...
yes he does make a 60 mph PROPULSION JET [Topic Theme]

is the collapsing bubble causing HBE ?
condensate event ?
or ??

we shall see ,and to be clear the sample cavity Resonators once finished
and ready to experiment ..
will be offered No charge to Builders here [and elsewhere] that meet the open source criteria

to add to this science ...Not for profit....

with respect and gratitude
Chet K

YES NOT FOR PROFIT BUT FOR OPEN THE MIND..

If you want understand pistol shrimp you need to study the hydro-electric machine of Lord Armstrong..

The shrimp water jet does not go out directly but before impact internally. in this impact the HBE reaction takes place.. and also the shrimp is pushed back by the thrust of the reaction

The hydro-electric machine use steam flow but first is cooled and after water droplets impacts inside special form of nozzle very similar to pistol shrimp and an positive high speed flow go outside.. electrons are removed from water droplets and trapped inside the brass because this metal is triboelectric negative..

Attached the hydro-electric machine and the nozzle made of brass used from Lord Armstrong and Michael Faraday..

two photos attached of real hydro-electric machine present inside the Science Museum in Florence
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Here the investigation will be Brutally honest and scientific .
findings will be offered up for real time public scrutiny .
and to be clear
We have unbelievable resources available in the "not for business/ profit"
open source group , which I will bring here for help if need be.




I have great appreciation for your input and find it most helpful .


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I think the Bug [pistol shrimp] would be very upset ...if someone tried to patent his cavity resonator / claw..


BTW Cherryman
I cannot tell you how much I luv your recent project
Amazing contribution to the community.

with much respect and gratitude

Chet K
Tnx Chet, just sharing, learning, exploring.. and above all.. enjoying!BTW: Patents are hijacked by greed and control

Ontopic:

I think this project actually shares characteristics with Shauberger and the Clemm engine, a synergy between pressure, time and heat.
Keep up the research!
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apology to the Wolf above

Wolf
I see you added a link [I missed that]

here [needs translation still {please someone ?]
????? ???? ??????? ????? ???????-??????? ? ???????? ?????????? ???????-???????? ??????? ???????? ? ?????????. | ?????????
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here is partial Wolf link translation
https://translate.google.com/transla...vye&edit-text=

perhaps like these examples, some of which Johan 1955 has proven to work

https://sites.google.com/site/braxpe...erinfuelblends
see also some friends here
water as fuel

Note I posted the above as a part of this "simplest common denominator " Shrimpy seadrive experiment

WHERE DOES THE ENERGY REALLY COME FROM ?? in all these examples...
and can WE [open source FE community ] prove this scientifically to all observers ?

CherryMan
I could not agree more [with all]!!

all comments welcome and appreciated

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Just for additional Clarity, I have asked for some help from a friend to these
forums that also researches alternative energy Open source

seems experiments with steam vacuum ..will also be on the menu

while we're working on the scanning for the Shrimpy sea drive
which will also be incorporated into a condensate experiment.


I will be playing with some of tutanka's other offerings.

all Shocking [comments] appreciated

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Where the PDX reactor went

I believe and in my humble opinion this process is called steam cavitation bubble collapse.
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These guys have several patents and loads of info on how they achieve this with diesel fuel injectors.

However, I feel the Carl Schaefer design of steam on demand may result in more steam per KW of energy in.
But for purposes of steam and seawater detonation in an underwater pulsejet design using a PDX style water impulse Venturi, CES may be a more direct result of what this forum needs to look into.
I too had high hopes for the PDX steam propulsor back in the early 2000's
I have followed its continued use in the food industry from OAL group and DC Norris as a food processing pump and heater.
It's called steam infusion with both companies and has not ventured into other markets as of today.
As we all know disruptive ideas, designs, and innovation, is nearly always scrubbed from public eye. Furthermore, this overall process of steam bubble collapse has many potential markets that have not been explored. Namely, sanitation, ballast pump systems and my favourite, marine propulsion.
I am open to networking real work and progress on these fronts if any would like to discuss this further.

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I believe and in my humble opinion this process is called steam cavitation bubble collapse.
Home

These guys have several patents and loads of info on how they achieve this with diesel fuel injectors.

However, I feel the Carl Schaefer design of steam on demand may result in more steam per KW of energy in.
But for purposes of steam and seawater detonation in an underwater pulsejet design using a PDX style water impulse Venturi, CES may be a more direct result of what this forum needs to look into.
I too had high hopes for the PDX steam propulsor back in the early 2000's
I have followed its continued use in the food industry from OAL group and DC Norris as a food processing pump and heater.
It's called steam infusion with both companies and has not ventured into other markets as of today.
As we all know disruptive ideas, designs, and innovation, is nearly always scrubbed from public eye. Furthermore, this overall process of steam bubble collapse has many potential markets that have not been explored. Namely, sanitation, ballast pump systems and my favourite, marine propulsion.
I am open to networking real work and progress on these fronts if any would like to discuss this further.

Cheers.
Another example of HBE from nature.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Z5xub3lEw
You can't use this force also for run on-demand an wind generator during the day??
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