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Old 01-02-2013, 05:09 PM
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The GEGENE : a Great Efficiency GENErator with a Tesla bifilar coil

JLN has released a new device he is working on, with promising results so far.

Here's the link: The GEGENE : a Great Efficiency GENErator with a Tesla bifilar coil...

Measurements taken with a scope:
TEST #2 : Efficiency measurements with a digital oscilloscope

Results:
Input: 1050 W
Output: 2014 W

It has some limitations as to what you can run with it. From JLN:
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Concerning the load connected at the GEGENE output, you must use resistive loads such as halogen lamps and compatible with you country grid line (i.e. 220V in France). Don't use devices which have an electronic board inside because they don't work when they are connected at the output.
Very interesting, very simple to replicate. Anybody have thoughts on this?
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:58 PM
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we might be able to use this to charge batteries, though making the voltages line up might be an issue. This appears to have some promise.

If you could tune the 2 coils, you might be able to increase the efficiency.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:15 PM
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Here's another replication by woopy, similar results as JLN, but no scope:

gegene replication 1 - YouTube
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:22 PM
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here's another discussion of the device, people raising good questions:
1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:28 PM
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New test by JLN shows 96% efficiency, no OU:

TEST #3 : Efficiency measurement with a calorimetric method
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:32 PM
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New test by JLN shows 96% efficiency, no OU:

TEST #3 : Efficiency measurement with a calorimetric method
You need to look at test 5 (and test 4 done by Romerouk with a grid tie inverter)

Quite impressive

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Old 01-03-2013, 03:20 PM
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Here is the page of test #4: TEST #4 : First test of a closed loop system with the GEGENE by "Romero UK"

Test #5: TEST #5 : New efficiency measurements with a digital oscilloscope with more power

Test 4 is a self runner, very interesting indeed! Test 5 was more load and better scope measurements.

Test 5 results:
Input: 1805
Output: 3819
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:27 PM
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Actually, test 4 is not a self runner, it is looped. Still, it shows evidence of more out than in.

The real test, IMO, is to set this up to run off a battery and loop back to charge the battery.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:34 PM
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One to watch

While no ou has been proven yet, this is a good thread to watch. Naudin, romero, tk , woopy, etc....all into it. These are good replicators to watch in my opinion. Also the fact that it a basic Tesla design. Very easy to replicate if you pay attention to the basics. Woopy and Romero's vid's where pretty interesting. The light bulb part seems to need to go away and maybe start doing some motor/ torque work. This could make this a winner.
I suggest;
Stay tuned on this one, woopy's last coil waving demo was very interesting.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:57 PM
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I have not seen anything mentioned about matching the impedance of the pancake coil to the driver coil at the given frequency, or any consideration along those lines...Did I miss that?
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:29 AM
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Did someone try with stell pancake coil instead of copper pancake coil?
Sorry for my english... I speak french to!
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:34 AM
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While no ou has been proven yet, this is a good thread to watch. Naudin, romero, tk , woopy, etc....all into it. These are good replicators to watch in my opinion. Also the fact that it a basic Tesla design. Very easy to replicate if you pay attention to the basics. Woopy and Romero's vid's where pretty interesting. The light bulb part seems to need to go away and maybe start doing some motor/ torque work. This could make this a winner.
I suggest;
Stay tuned on this one, woopy's last coil waving demo was very interesting.
Good luck,
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definitely some interesting test results from well respected replicators. I am watching this one very closely.

I think battery charging would be another good test.

apparently, it requires resistive loads, not inductive loads, so that has to be considered as well.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:02 AM
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my test

My rough and quick test as a contribution to this discussion:
Światło z kuchenki indukcyjnej. / Light from induction oven. - YouTube

(switch English subtitles on if you don't understand Polish)
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:08 PM
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Hi Sciencisto,
Do you mean in your experiment with the induction stove, the output to the Tesla Bifilar coupling coil are only approx. 700 Watts?
So the bulbs are not completely lit?
Is it not that an Amplitude Modulated wave packs energy within, since the induction stove coil is oscillating at 22KHz and modulated by the 60Hz mains freq. Demodulating the wave would release the energy within, or am I missing anything?

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Old 01-04-2013, 03:27 PM
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I have not seen anything mentioned about matching the impedance of the pancake coil to the driver coil at the given frequency, or any consideration along those lines...Did I miss that?
It would be safe to assume that resonance is everywhere.

With an oscillating source driving L and C items, you are likely
to want resonance, if only to maximise results.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:46 PM
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Yes, resonance is everywhere, that does not mean that all parameters of this system have been balanced with respect to this concept. What harmonic frequencies do the pancake coils respond to with respect to the driver???
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:01 PM
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I think with tuning, output could be increased, but at this point, I think folks are just trying to verify results.

There are some interesting results happening, but it could be due to measurement or equipment error.
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:45 PM
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More tests from JLN: TEST #7 : Tests of the model v1.1 with a new bifilar flat Tesla coil

These tests seem to still be in line with the previous, showing COP>1
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:59 PM
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Do you mean in your experiment with the induction stove, the output to the Tesla Bifilar coupling coil are only approx. 700 Watts?
So the bulbs are not completely lit?
Yes.
The rest, theory, I don't know.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:18 PM
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Hi all,

I bought a 1300W induction cooker* (should be in next week) and my partner will be doing tests on the GEGENE transformer. I have a big spool of AWG8 or 10 flat magnet wire that will be used to make the bifilar coils. Anyone tried to put a coil under and a coil on top of the induction cooker coil. Also what would be the results if the induction cooker's coil was made bifilar?

I will post the results when the tests are done.

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Old 01-05-2013, 11:10 PM
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Michel, do you have a way to verify output? I would start by copying the setup, and then work on modifications, changing one thing at a time,so that you can test each change against the previous results.

Good luck, and keep us posted.
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:37 PM
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JLN has released a new device he is working on, with promising results so far.

Here's the link: The GEGENE : a Great Efficiency GENErator with a Tesla bifilar coil...

Measurements taken with a scope:
TEST #2 : Efficiency measurements with a digital oscilloscope

Results:
Input: 1050 W
Output: 2014 W

It has some limitations as to what you can run with it. From JLN:


Very interesting, very simple to replicate. Anybody have thoughts on this?
Yes, very interesting indeed.

So far only one side of the cooker plate coil is used. Would get 2X more output if another output coil is used on the backside of the cooker plate coil?

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Old 01-06-2013, 10:56 PM
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Yes, very interesting indeed.

So far only one side of the cooker plate coil is used. Would get 2X more output if another output coil is used on the backside of the cooker plate coil?

cheers
Yes, that might be possible. If you have one of these cookers, you should run some tests and post your results.

I am still not convinced of the scope measurements. I think we need to see a running loop from a battery to verify COP>1
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:25 PM
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Hi all,

This device is very very close related to the concept proposed by Clemente Figuera. Have a look to the thread about Figueras devices

Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

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Old 01-06-2013, 11:26 PM
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Michel, the signal in the coils is HF. Avoid single large solid copper wires, the skin effect is very real at these frequencies and will dramatically effect the impedance of your coil and heat loss. I suggest you take a look at the primary coil in the stove top for gauge. regular PVC insulated multi strand #12 to #16 wire should be ok. As long as it's not single strand copper
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:41 PM
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Yes, resonance is everywhere, that does not mean that all parameters of this system have been balanced with respect to this concept. What harmonic frequencies do the pancake coils respond to with respect to the driver???
The pancake circuit, the secondary, will have some L, C, and R,
along with an output load. Presumably, the driving frequency will
be that of the cooker and the values of circuit elements will need
to be such as to resonate with it.
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Hi all,

@hanon1492,

I think the Clemente Figueras generator is closer to the Hans Kohler magnetstrompapparat than the GEGENE.

@tika & vela,

I will not be the one testing the GEGENE, my partner will be doing that. He is an X-Ray tech with a good knowledge of what is going on in the FE research. I keep him pinned down with questions and new references of what is going on. He has all the tools needed and if not, I have quite a few goodies here of my own.

I will see him tomorrow and we will certainly pass a few hours discussing the GEGENE and what he will need for a good run down of the induction cooker/bifilar coil. He is a fan of Tesla and he did a lot of research on his concepts. He is a wiz in my eyes.

Take care,

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Old 01-07-2013, 12:27 AM
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Great, Michel, keep us posted on developments.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:45 PM
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interesting video from jean naudin all the best ron

GEGENE : Closed Loop test Phase 2 with a Grid Tie Inverter - YouTube
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:57 PM
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interesting video from jean naudin all the best ron

GEGENE : Closed Loop test Phase 2 with a Grid Tie Inverter - YouTube
Thanks for the info

JLNaudun is getting closer to closing the loop
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