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Old 03-24-2013, 10:03 AM
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I had 6 single e-core laminates spaced evenly apart in a stack submerged in water.I had leads connected and was pulsing with stored caps.
After reading chapter 10, I realize many of my mistakes, they have the plates seperated into compartments ,and only feed the plates in a series fassion. I was feeding each plate with its' own supply.
I will try it their way ,but will the e-cores insulation prevent bubbling?
I also noticed that 1.24volts at 500ma is the best pulse? A capacitor that has a higher voltage all depends on the amount of uF, which determines the power out correct? 400v at 1500uf is roughly equall to 16v at 24000uf, for work the charged cap can do??
Does the formula E = Q divided by C work to find the work a stored cap can do? (E-voltage, C-capacity rating, Q-coulombs)
I should of started learning this stuff 30 years ago.
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Yes, you would need to get all that varnish off. But you really
need stainless steel, 316L. Most recyling centres may have some in
the form of old scrapped quality commercial kitchen equipment
and medical equipment (sterilisers, etc).

The formula is fine if the units are fine - coulombs, farads and volts
(NB: farads and not the more usual uF).
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Modelling water molecules behavior in an electric field.

This is a laymen's article - describing a highly technical and math filled paper from a scientific journal.

It is about the behavior of water molecules in an electric field.

Physics - Water Molecules, Unite!

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amazing .. water

I've always considered that there are many “anomalies” Involved with water and often come across these demonstrated by different people almost without exception I am amazed by what I see.
Without comment I link to a few of them here I suspect another piece of the jigsaw is here but there is obviously a great deal we still do not know about …. Water... "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail,

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Hi , is this thread still active ?
Sure the thread is still active as long as it exists. Just no one has posted to it recently.

In Naudin's last test with his GEGENE setup, where he measured the output power very carefully, he did not measure over unity.
TEST #18 : Test of the GEGENE with a QUARTZ HEATER and a new Tesla coil
He measured an input power of 1733 Watts and an output power of 1596 to 1599 Watts, depending on his method of calculation for the output power.
That's an efficiency of about 92.3%. Not over unity. Naudin says he still plans to experiment further with this to see if he can improve on that however.
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Hi Jacqui,

I did a few tests with an induction plate and different coil designs, a vintage analog light meter*, scopes and multimeters last month.

A reference light output was first taken with 6X 500W halogen bulbs plugged to the wall outlet, same 15A breaker outlet used for the plate, and took a reading with the light meter ajusting it's distance to get a max reading before the breaker tripped (it did a few times). Then I started the tests with mono and bifilar configurations. I used multi braided wires in most tests, even used an induction coil identical to the emiter as output.

The induction plate was connected to a Kill-a-Watt. I added and removed bulbs to see what would be the results but so far nothing better than 92.6% efficiency calculated.

I visit JLN's site often to see if anything new comes out of it.

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Hi , Level .

Thanks for your reply , Hummm not over unity eh !
Yes that's the case for test #18 , but what is your answer for the result for test # 16 ?

That's well over unity and it's not just a little bit O.U. but quite a healthy margin where the out put is not milliwatts but kilowatts .
That's pretty hard to deny ; even for a non technical person .
My understanding of Test #16 is that he did not make any output power measurements. The purpose of this test was apparently to measure the temperature of the pancake coil he was using while it was under load. Although he had 4180 Watts of light bulbs connected as a load for this test, there is no telling how much power the load is dissipating unless very careful measurements are done like was done in test #18. The light bulbs were likely only partially lit for the most part (not running at full power). Because the output waveform from the induction cooker is not a standard 50/60 Hz sinewave, but rather a high frequency complex waveform, power measurements are a lot more complicated than just throwing a multimeter on the load. This is what J. Naudin was trying to address in test #18 I believe. It is interesting that he got such a high efficiency powering the quartz heater though. J. Naudin thinks that he may be able to improve on this with a better design, so we'll have to wait and see how he makes out.
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Here is a link to a guy who has been doing some testing with this if you are interested.
TinManPower's channel - YouTube
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My understanding of Test #16 is that he did not make any output power measurements. The purpose of this test was apparently to measure the temperature of the pancake coil he was using while it was under load. Although he had 4180 Watts of light bulbs connected as a load for this test, there is no telling how much power the load is dissipating unless very careful measurements...
People seem to want to make life difficult. I continue to believe
that the most useful and realistic test is Test #3, with the kettles.
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Hi all ,
from what JLN has said test #16 delivered 4180w out for 1200w in , that means 2980w and 3.48 O.U. even with a little for error it's still going to be a good result . Yes ?
Well said

How to bypass the 'no pan' protection ? This is the chip they use in that induction cooker. What can we do about that ?
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Use a high grade energy meter to measure the input and verify with the scope.

Then rectify the output with a FWBR and run the load lamps from the rectified
and smoothed DC and measure that. Dead easy and very accurate.

If the truth is wanted, seek it.

Why mess around with light meters and scopes for measuring the output power ?
Why not do it the Easy and more accurate way ?

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Use a high grade energy meter to measure the input and verify with the scope.
Then rectify the output with a FWBR and run the load lamps from the rectified
and smoothed DC and measure that. Dead easy and very accurate.
If the truth is wanted, seek it.
Why mess around with light meters and scopes for measuring the output power ?
Why not do it the Easy and more accurate way ?
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Australian shill Farmhand said:

"because lets face it there is no such
thing as OU. Energy cannot be created."

Am i getting to close ?? And he IS trolling !

He is spamming forums with over 4500 posts with shill contence !
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WARNING!!! FWBR usually contains slow diodes and are good for 50-60Hz. Trying to pass high frequency currents may fail as the excess energy is wasted as heat on FWBR itself.....
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:26 PM
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Induction hob for £29. (Possibly UK only. not sure).

Thursday April 25th. Probably limited availability.

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thing as OU. Energy cannot be created."

Am i getting to close ?? And he IS trolling !

He is spamming forums with over 4500 posts with shill contence !
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Sure , energy cannot be created and it cannot be destroyed ; it can be converted . It can also be extracted from elsewhere with steep rising impulses and at a guess the term dark energy for the result is a fair bet .
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Tesla Coil?

My cooker is showing a nice standing wave with a high frequency, modulated transient AC inside. Like what Naudin is showing on his scope. Am I the only one wondering what a Tesla Coil with a couple, magnetically coupled, output coils would do with the output of this cooker. Especially if you could get the Tesla Coil to resonate with the cooker output. Let's see, wave length vs coil size..... ... resonance.....
Just pondering,
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Sure , energy cannot be created and it cannot be destroyed ; it can be converted . It can also be extracted from elsewhere with steep rising impulses and at a guess the term dark energy for the result is a fair bet .
... Consider him putting people on the false leg by saying this...

Driving your cooker with external signals ? Good luck. Got enough spares ?
I could modify the cooker circuit that the power stays on. Should i look in to this ? (its my profession but we are a bit lazy..)
And tachyoncatcher, you don't see a 'standing wave'. You see a rf signal
that is modulated with 50 Hz.
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JLN measured the coil with a too cheap device. He measured about 25 uH for
the standard cooker coil. But that coil is about 110 uH. Thats one.
And secondly. The selfmade Teslacoil here is about the same value. BUT if
you connect them up (put them in series) you don't get about 200 uH, what would be expected
but about 380 uH
And that is strange ! And that is not the only strange thing about that coil..
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And tachyoncatcher, you don't see a 'standing wave'. You see a rf signal
that is modulated with 50 Hz.
I stand corrected. My results were not like Naudins. The standing wave still stands. 3 wave forms. 2 matching in wave length and amplitude, 180 degrees out of phase with matching 0 points or nodes, if you like. The 3rd wave modulated inside the two waves.

I was testing one of the 8 different pancake coil geometries I had built at the time. The probe was on the coil leads. I have since moved on. I was not trying to deceive or distract anyone, simply inspire to think, "out of the box". Have fun, experiment.
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Australian shill Farmhand said:

"because lets face it there is no such
thing as OU. Energy cannot be created."

Am i getting to close ?? And he IS trolling !

He is spamming forums with over 4500 posts with shill contence !
Hobby Eon, I am offended by your post I am not a shill there is no shill activity here by me. I am free to state my opinions as others do.

Please remove all reference to me being a shill or I will keep posting until you do.

It's your choice. Shut up about me or I will continue to post. Asking for the
removal of the insults.

I'm flagging the post to moderators as offensive as well, it is obviously offensive to anybody.

It's a banning offence in my opinion and there ought to be some moderation
of this kind of childish behavior.

Cheers

P.S. I ask you folks does this look like a shill posting.
http://www.energeticforum.com/229045-post5.html

How about this one is this a shill posting.
http://www.energeticforum.com/228990-post9150.html

A lot of my posts are conversation and helping others. But I will speak my
mind at times and I often ask "leading" questions so I can be clear of what
people are saying. My opinions are my opinions. No one has to agree or read
them.

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WARNING!!! FWBR usually contains slow diodes and are good for 50-60Hz. Trying to pass high frequency currents may fail as the excess energy is wasted as heat on FWBR itself.....

Hi Boguslaw, No need for a warning, a FWBR can be made from 4 fast recovery diodes or whatever type of diode is required or desired.
And the energy wasted by them can be easily calculated.

Alternatively the output could be rectified by a single diode.

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Hobby Eon, I am offended by your post I am not a shill there is no shill activity here by me. <snip>
A lot of my posts are conversation and helping others. But I will speak my
mind at times and I often ask "leading" questions so I can be clear of what
people are saying. My opinions are my opinions. No one has to agree or read
them.
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If he doesn't believe in O.U. why does he spend SO MUCH time with it ??
A normal person wouldn't do that sort of thing. What sort of 'helping' is that ?
Why didn't he p.m. me instead of again a meaningless post ?
If i don't believe in pink elephants why would i spend ALL MY TIME in
forums about pink elephants ?

He said it himself; there never will be some o.u. 'scheme' from his hand.
So logicly his help is useless and distracting and demotivating. And no,
i do not want your 'explanations'. You only trigger me mister.
Your choise...
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I am with you it is easy to claim OU without doing the proper mesurements
And because you insist they want to call you names.
I have seen this over and over again since i joined and even before.
Keep it up.
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If he doesn't believe in O.U. why does he spend SO MUCH time with it ??
A normal person wouldn't do that sort of thing. What sort of 'helping' is that ?
Why didn't he p.m. me instead of again a meaningless post ?
If i don't believe in pink elephants why would i spend ALL MY TIME in
forums about pink elephants ?

He said it himself; there never will be some o.u. 'scheme' from his hand.
So logicly his help is useless and distracting and demotivating. And no,
i do not want your 'explanations'. You only trigger me mister.
Your choise...
Well there is lots of free energy. Energy cannot be created so the best we
can do is harvest more energy than we expend to do it, or C.O.P. > 1.
Even if we do not know or understand where the energy is coming from, it is
coming from somewhere, once any "OU" device's energy source is identified
and quantified then its just like solar or wind if there is OU they are OU as well.

But I keep being told solar panels are not OU, so neither is anything else
unless it "creates" energy. Simple, that's my view.

I'm looking for free energy, just like what comes from solar panels and wind turbines.

I don't intend to get sidetracked by false claims and improper measurements.
And I don't like to see people distracting others with dodgy claims when there
is no need for it.

Anyway if you call me names I will respond.

I still see there is no response from the moderators which is troubling because
when certain people are insulted the people doing the insulting get banned
immediately, and yet I can be abused in the most profane ways with no
reaction at all. The forum rules have been broken against me again and again
but the moderators do not seem to want to act. If they are waiting for me to
be baited, don't bother.

Makes we wonder. I used the option to flag inappropriate posts once again
and no result. Seems Insulting each other is OK. So go for it folks let loose.

Thanks for the support African, I appreciate that.

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That farmhand doesn't react on my statements:

1) If he doesn't believe in O.U. why does he spend SO MUCH time with it ??
A normal person wouldn't do that sort of thing. What sort of 'helping' is that ?
Why didn't he p.m. me instead of again a meaningless post ?
If i don't believe in pink elephants why would i spend ALL MY TIME in
forums about pink elephants ?

2) He says:He says: "If you mean Tesla made bucket loads of free energy, then please
show us the claims made by him regarding that." It HAS been explaned to him but he
still reacts ignorant. If that ain't a shill, nobody is.

3) There are a number of important forums where the shills, according to the
administrators there, behave exactly like you !
Winding like a snake who purpose it is to spread his toxins.
disinfo, starting parallel threats to derail and run that subjects into the ground.
Giving false suggestions to demotivate people, or is it just his inferiority complex ?
You will contradict results, seed doubts, etc, etc.

4) So you give this people negative help !

5) You are a paid shill and you can deny till you see blue in the face.
Like a politician or a bankster we don't expect a honest answer from you.
You are polluting several O.U. forums with literally thousands of postings !

6) If i did't believe in Hare Krishna i would not spent all my time in forums
who do believe in him. That would be trolling and hijacking!!

7) Aaron is smart enough to see through you, but he also respects the
little democracy what is still left. And you abuse that !

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As far as I am concerned Farmhand does an exceptionally good job and also sharing his findings.
He is keeping to scientiffic method which is a rare bird in these forums. 99% of people on this forum can learn from him.
And regarding Tesla he is righ too as far as I know.
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This post may be ignored by all who don't care for nonsense politics.

Hobby Eon has got a real chip on his shoulder. He has identified various "shills" through his detection method; whoever questioned his non-understandable questions is now defined as the shill. He appeared with meaningless posts and questions, we asked for clarification to be able to give answers, and he blew up. This is still the aftermath. It's quite simple. If you require a little more information from him or he detects a hint that you disagree with his opinion, then you are a shill. His writing style and attitude are almost identical to other people here, I would not be surprised if he is posting under a different name too. It's a personal quest based on a distorted grudge at the very lightest. At the darker end of the scale is the appearance that he and his little gang of cronies are calling anyone who actually DOES SOMETHING and uses their brains to question things shills, which is a curious thing to be doing if they claim to want to deal with any truth. Stoking the fires of false claims is counter-productive, of course depending on what one's intentions are to begin with. The evidence shows that the real shills are recently going under the guise of being the saviours through very much stoking the fires and appearing as if they "are on the same wavelength", "you can trust me, I'm one of you, look how I believe in free energy", and participating in some sort of primitive psychological games that involves discrediting anyone who questions it and doing a 180 degree turn; calling the investigators the shills, and removing any science from the subject. Time and time again these people turn around and call the investigator the shill in a futile effort of discrediting whoever questions them, so the question is, what are the intentions of these "promoters", if the scientific investigators are the "shills".

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