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Old 01-08-2013, 07:31 PM
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The pancake circuit, the secondary, will have some L, C, and R,
along with an output load. Presumably, the driving frequency will
be that of the cooker and the values of circuit elements will need
to be such as to resonate with it.
That is a good start on understanding the topic, however its not quite so straight forward. This receiving coil does not act only like a lumped element tank circuit, rather it has multiple resonance modes, some of which act like a parallel, some of which act like a series tank, much more similar to transmission line theory than lumped element. It would be smart to first define the operational modes of the receiving coil, then build ones to match the modes to the driving elements, each will probably give very different results.
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Hi all,

Got the induction cooker this morning and will hand it to my partner when he comes to my place.

Meanwhile he will try to reproduce the same effect using direct coupling on a toroidal core. He has a >12" toroidal transformer from a medical apparatus and decided to strip it and rewind it using all bifilar coils. He was reluctant to strip it cause those sell for a lot of money on Ebay. After he did it, to his surprise, the core is made of a strip of steel strap spot welded to retain the shape in a plastic toroidal form... No ferrite or other exotic material in sight... How odd?

I will post his preliminary findings when he is done testing the direct coupling setup.

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Thanks for the info

JLNaudun is getting closer to closing the loop
Cheers
Yes, he is. Though, I think it might be easier to charge charge batteries through a bridge rectifier. As he has it right now, it needs to have COP>2 to self loop.

To do it with batteries, you have an inverter off the battery that feeds to GEGENE, then the GEGENE output is rectified to charge the battery. This would only require COP>1.3 to overcome losses, inefficiencies. I think the battery would provide enough load to keep the GEGENE going.

The problem right now is that he has to keep the halogens on to keep the system going, without them, there is no load. But a charging battery would be a load and provide the "pull" to keep it running. Maybe...
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To do it with batteries, you have an inverter off the battery that feeds to GEGENE, then the GEGENE output is rectified to charge the battery.
In most consumer equipment, the very first thing that happens to AC mains
is that it gets converted into what electronics want - low voltage DC.

I wonder if this happens with induction hobs.

If so, it might be easier to get the casing off and try and go upstream
of the AC stage and put DC voltage in where its wanted.
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Hi wrtner,

Jean Louis Naudin did it with a retail unit for safety reason... His safety from whomever. Nobody can slap him on the hands because he is showing a COP>1 experimentation. It's a retail induction cooker and he uses of a bifilar coil from a very old patent freely available on the net.

He will show what can be extracted but not everything, that is what WE must research and show after a successful replication to the world.

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In most consumer equipment, the very first thing that happens to AC mains
is that it gets converted into what electronics want - low voltage DC.

I wonder if this happens with induction hobs.

If so, it might be easier to get the casing off and try and go upstream
of the AC stage and put DC voltage in where its wanted.
Hi wrtner,

With induction hobs, the AC mains voltage, albeit is indeed converted to a lower DC value but that supplies the low power electronics circuits inside the cookers, the main coil which does the actual induction heating is feed from the rectified mains voltage via IGBT or MOSFET switches. This means that if your goal is to simplify on the mains input circuits in the cooker and feed in directly a DC which is gained from the pancake coil(s), you would have to produce at least 160V DC (for cookers with 120V AC input) or at least 280V DC (for cookers with 230V AC input).

Regarding your earlier post (Reply #26, previous page) i.e. Presumably, the driving frequency will be that of the cooker and the values of circuit elements will need to be such as to resonate with it. I would like to make an addition to the excellent Reply #31 above from Armagdn03.
Here is a link that shows a (multi) resonant tank circuit Bootstrap coax traps for antennas and it is actually a certain length of coaxial cable wound as a normal solenoid to make a single layer (cylindrical) coil and the inner conductor of this coax cable is connected in series with the outer conductor (shield or braid) of the same coax cable, exactly like it is connected for Tesla's bifilar pancake coils: ( http://vk1od.net/antenna/coaxtrap/coaxtrap02.gif )
And the reason I mention this is that you can see how the impedance of this "coax coil" (connected as described) depends on the frequency, see this direct link: http://vk1od.net/antenna/coaxtrap/coaxtrap10.png where the peaks represent parallel (LC) resonances (i.e. high impedances) and the valleys represent series (LC) resonances (i.e. low impedances), so if you make a Tesla bifilar pancake coil you would surely experience similar impedance curves in the function of frequencies. For such cylindrical coaxial traps shown in the link there exists a computer program to calculate the needed resonant frequencies for the MHz ranges where radio amateurs mainly build antennas for the short wave bands. That computer program has a certain mechanical and electrical data base of known types of coax cables. If someone is interested in that software, it is free here www.qsl.net/ve6yp/coaxtrap.zip from this link http://www.qsl.net/ve6yp/CoaxTrap.html

Unfortunaly, for bifilar pancake coils I am not aware of such software program to compute the resonant frequency. To arrive at such resonant frequency and actually lower it from the MHz range I have given some hints in the "Tesla pancake coil" thread, Replies #11 and #12.

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Thanks. Very useful stuff, Gyula.

Winding the pancake coil
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On his site, Jean-Louis says that it is necessary to split the
speaker wire because it has to be wrapped in a tight curve
and the speaker cable is rectangular in cross section, about
2:1 ratio.

Can we wind the speaker cable on its side? It will be easier
to do but would create two coils very close side by side.
Does this matter?
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Can we wind the speaker cable on its side? It will be easier
to do but would create two coils very close side by side.
Does this matter?
@wrtner,
Woopy has done what you are asking.
gegene reèlication 3 - YouTube
However, I didn't understand a word of it. Maybe if a few of ask, he would be willing to do an English version? His English is soooo much better than my French.
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Yes, very interesting indeed.

So far only one side of the cooker plate coil is used. Would get 2X more output if another output coil is used on the backside of the cooker plate coil?

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This definitely needs investigated.
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IMO, the results we have seen so far from the numerous replications are inconclusive. I don't trust the digital meter readings or the scope outputs. The tea kettle test by JLN is the best so far, and it didn't show a COP >1. While that test had some faults, it is by far the best test I've seen.

I'd like to see a light meter test that was properly calibrated beforehand. Most of JLN's output figures are based on the rated output of the lamps, not their actual value based on how much light they are outputting.

I'm still hoping for the best, but I remain skeptical, until I see better data.
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This definitely needs investigated.
Exactly, more experiments are needed, so far Tesla's Pancake Coil invention is showing interesting results

I really appreciate energy researchers sharing their test results, as it is an expensive and time consuming activity that not everyone can pursue.

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Just a thought about why Tesla bifilar coils are so efficient, and how to tune them.

Electrically, the coil can be seen as a parallel RLC circuit:

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Note that contrary to a series RLC circuit, this arrangement will show a peak in impedance at its resonance frequency. This is due to the dual relationship of electrical circuits, which causes the effects measured on voltages in series circuit to be measured in the currents of the corresponding parallel circuit.

In the series circuit, large voltages spikes can be measured across the coil and across the cap when the circuit is fed an AC voltage. Which means that
in the parallel circuit large currents spikes will exist in the LC loop. Large current in the coil will bring about a very strong magnetic field. This oscillatory current and its induced magnetic field will peak at the resonant frequency, where impedance is at its highest, and thus input power is at the lowest possible for the circuit. Free real power!

It is impossible to measure current inside a bifilar coil, as this is happening on the entire length of the spires. But there is no radiant energy or 4th dimension magical vortex here. Just down to earth great engineering, like all of Tesla's inventions.

Hope this will help understand better why we are seeing this excess power and how we can get even more out of it. I predict that will be at the resonant frequency for the coil.

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Preliminary tests.

Hi all,

I have decided to wind a coil and see if I can come close to the results of woopy and Jean Louis Naudin. A friend helped me with the test procedure and all the formulas, many thanks for his patience with me.

The coil we tested is not bifilar and is made of 21 strands of magnet wire (size around AWG30 from a TV degaussing coil). It is 6 1/2" O.D. and 2" I.D. 26 turns spiraled, it comes out at 6.3 Ohms and 0.98 mH epoxied on a 1/8" base (hot glue melts).

The induction cooker is a Sonya 1300W on 110V (122V reported by the Kill-A-Watt) and the load is 600W of halogen bulbs (4) plus a 220V heating element (value corrected is 700W) for a total load of 1300W. The frequency is 58.8 KHz and 250V at 4.4A.

The induction cooker was set at 1100W (halogen bulbs at their brightest and lowest power to achieve it) and the Kill-A-Watt showed 1084W. With an apparent Power of 1100W, we calculated the power lost at 490W and real power at 984W.

So far, I did not see COP>1 but tests will continue. I ordered another induction cooker (1500W) and a replacement induction coil for reference on the tests my partner will conduct.

Take care all,

Michel

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DM4070 RLC meter.
Simpson 270 analog multimeter.
Simpson 1701 analog ammeter.
Beckman Industrial Model 9020 20MHz 2 channels analog oscilloscope.
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.... is not bifilar and is made of 21 strands of magnet wire (size around AWG30 from a TV degaussing coil)
Jean-Louis' design is essentially bifilar.

AWG30 will carry 0.14 amp (according to Patrick's Appendix 1).
21 strands should carry rather more than 2.5amp, i.e. around
500 watt at a pinch based on 230volt assumption, possibly
not entirely valid.

If you get OU results, this coil may well go up in smoke.

I am working on wire from the high current side of a microwave
oven transformer, which is 1.15mm, AWG 17, with 2.9amp
capacity.

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Hi Paul,

In my chart the MAX AMPS for AWG30 is .201 and 21 strands comes out as 4.221 A and that is consistent with the results I got but the wire can be AWG29 or 28, the size was approximate. I tried to make the coil the same size, it looks smaller than AWG 16, more like AWG 18 and the same amount of turns (20) or dimensions, as used in the induction plate coil (2" I.D. and 6" O.D.).

The first try was with 8 strands of AWG 23 or 24 (16 turns for an I.D. of 2 1/4" and 6" O.D.), it got hot fast and the hot glue I used to make the coil melted and the halogen bulbs during that test kept flashing on and off at 500W. Woopy in his first video uses what looks like AWG16 lamp cord and has 2000W of load and gets those light going on and off. The Kill-A-Watt needs time to settle to an apparent power usage but his 500W setting shows at one time 1000W on the lcd. I found the same problem with the K-A-W i am using, it needs time to settle.

My experimentation shows that the skin effect is happening in this case, so more and smaller wires result in better induction transfer. When changing the power level on the induction plate, the frequency and power output does not vary much, the off time just gets longer as you go down on the power setting. The on time was not long enough to get an exact input power reading, I trust my scope more than a $10.00 Kill-A-Watt.

The Tesla bifilar coil is done (2" I.D. and 6" O.D.) with 2 wires made of 3 Litz wires each and each made of 21 strands (around AWG 40 each) and the coil has 26 turns. Now its epoxy time.

I'll post the results when done.


Take care,

Michel

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This definitely needs investigated.
This definitely will not happen. Not that its not a good thought, but its just simply not how inductive transfer works.
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This definitely will not happen. Not that its not a good thought, but its just simply not how inductive transfer works.
Could you be more specific
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Jean-Louis latest run appears to use a coil where the two conductors
lie side by side rather than one on top of the other:
TEST #18 : Test of the GEGENE with a QUARTZ HEATER and a new Tesla coil

I would have thought that the first conductor would shield the
magnetic field from the second.
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Absolutely, I should have elaborated, apologies.

The energy received by the pick up coil will, because of proximity, re emit a antiphase signal back to the receiver (phase angle 180 degrees difference, which can be changed by use of hysteresis or physical distance between pickup and transmitter, but that is a story for another time). This signal will destructively interfere with the transmitter and reduce its signal strength (BEMF or CEMF). If they are properly matched to one another, you will have satisfied the maximum power transmission theorem, and you will have an optimal transfer of energy. This is the best possible match for transferring energy. Adding an additional coil will not allow you to pick up anymore, and could even detract from optimal.

Sometimes I see people make the following mistake. They have a source of signal (transmitter) and a receiver. They see that they can pick up a certain amount of energy and think...."what if I add another receiver?". They add another one and WOW! they can pick up more than they could before! However what has happened is that the initial receiver was not correctly matched and was not picking up all it could. Now the second receiver brings it closer to optimal, and they get closer to the limit of what can be received. They could pick up the same amount of signal with one receiver (instead of two) if they had properly chosen the correct characteristics for the initial receiver in the first place.

An interesting thing to note is that if you have two eccentric resonant coils (they do not share a common center like most transformers) they do not necessarily need to be a 100% match in terms of their construction details. The spacing between them can affect each of their capacitances with respect to one another. There will be a balancing point where the two coils meet in agreement, and energy is optimally shared. This means that for wireless energy transfer, there is a optimal distance for various resonant structures. Too close, and you are not optimal, too far and you are not optimal. This is VERY closely related to the 3 coil setup of Dr Stiffler, and the steel ball bearing demonstration given by David in the Primer Fields 1 video.

I hope that explains a little better!

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Gegene experiment OU?

Guys,
It's my first post ever on this forum. I finished an electro-mechanical university 20 yrs ago. I truly believe in OU and not believe in Einstein's postulate, BUT!!!
what JLN showed pretending it's OU is a BS beyond imagination, here is why:
1. measuring output with an oscilloscope zoomed at max amplitude is BS, he has a amplitude modulation there, he measured just for the 20khz where the 50Hz signal was at his PEAK. From here we get a divide by 2 at least, it's common sense!
2. making the same experiment with 2 different loads (halogens and electric quartz heater) and getting different COP? smells a bit, don't u think?
3. He did correct the calorimetric measurment, that shows max 96%, that's the truth
Again BUT:
getting 96% by putting a pancake coil over another????? with air as the core that's almost a miracle, very cheap and efficient transformer! Tesla knew what he was doing because he used this kind of coils when he worked for a telegraph company, that kind of coils where used as finals, with a single wire through air and the earth itself for closing the circuit, hmmm, sounds familiar?
Ok, let's understand some facts:
1. filaments are brighter with increasing frequency, that why many ppl think they have OU while staring at lights.
2. LEDs are not good for showing OU, these devices are weird, we even have organic leds now, be careful guys!
3. resistive Loads are best, like the calorimetric one JLN did.

My undersanding of the "untold" physics:
1. B-EMF is a reaction, we could make it lower, like gun barrels use the muzzle breaks for lower recoil
2. Think of the real speed of electrons (charge carriers) in copper: cm/h, awww, but how we get effects at almost lightspeed? because charge carriers are not compressible in metals, so we do a work at one end and we get same work at the other end, NO POSSIBILITY FOR OU whatsoever, except playing with point 1.
3. Think of the real speed of charge carriers in gases: very high, and they are compress-able. Does that ring a bell? What happens with an experiment of Hemholtz when he blew in a bottle through a smaller neck? he measured a lower pressure in the bottle than surrounding pressure after blow-back! What if?
4. Electric fields are energy fields created by charge separation, no one says HOW (with what work) we do the charge separation, charges have mass, Faraday's dynamo used centrifugal force to do charge separation, WHAT IF AN ELECTROSCOPE and a condenser only with dielectric (without plates) is the answer for a reaction-less work?

This induction cooker is really a solid state Faraday dynamo, i measured a pot between center and margin: about 200mv max. I did a Faraday dynamo and rotated the thing with 8000 rpm, i got about 72mV. 200/70 =about 3 x 8000 is ab 24000 HZ , that;s the measured frequency of my cooker (rosenstein & sohne). I did some efficiency measurements: over 90%, VERY GOOD. We can start from here, but i STFU for now, waiting for your replies!

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Gegene OU?

AHH and i forgot! If any of us gets 2.80 COP in electricity, why in the name of God would he use that extra energy for splitting water? What's the best usable energy form on the planet? Don't tell me hidrogen, PLEASE, i blow up ).
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I truly believe in OU and not believe in Einstein's postulate, BUT!!! what JLN showed pretending it's OU is a BS beyond imagination...
Vhat evidence iz zhere for your belief in zis OU? Zhere is no science vizout incontrovertible evidence.
be·lief /biˈlēf/ [n.]: An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction. Synonyms: faith, trust, confidence, persuasion, credence
Looks like JLN labs has done it again, this time with Thane Heins' ReGen-X. Why go through the effort to replicate an effect, publish a 20 pg report but fail to measure efficiency or torque:
Conclusions of the ReGenX replications (feb-march 2013)
The Thane C. Heins Regenerative Acceleration Effect (RAE) from PDI has been replicated successfully in the RAG devices. Efficiency and torque measurements have not yet been conducted. The series of tests measurements have confirmed that :
● when the ReGen output coils are loaded : the RPM increases and the power input drops, this is the Regenerative Acceleration Effect.
● higher the number of loaded ReGen coils is, higher the RAE effect is. The RAE effect is cumulative.
● a battery connected on a ReGen coil can be recharged while the other Regen coils and the main rotor provide power. More datas results and videos of the experiments at : The Delayed Lenz Effect exploration and tests Jean-Louis Naudin – ReGenX replication TESTS REPORT MARCH 2013 - The JLN Labs home page
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I truly believe in OU and not believe in Einstein's postulate, BUT!!! what JLN showed pretending it's OU is a BS beyond imagination...
Vhat evidence iz zhere for your belief in zis OU? Zhere is no science vizout incontrovertible evidence.
be·lief /biˈlēf/ [n.]: An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction. Synonyms: faith, trust, confidence, persuasion, credence
Looks like JLN labs has done it again! This time with Thane Heins' ReGen-X. Why why go through the effort to replicate an effect that no one (?) disputes, publish a 20 pg report and fail to measure what is contested---the efficiency and torque:
Conclusions of the ReGenX replications (feb-march 2013)
The Thane C. Heins Regenerative Acceleration Effect (RAE) from PDI has been replicated successfully in the RAG devices. Efficiency and torque measurements have not yet been conducted. The series of tests measurements have confirmed that :
● when the ReGen output coils are loaded : the RPM increases and the power input drops, this is the Regenerative Acceleration Effect.
● higher the number of loaded ReGen coils is, higher the RAE effect is. The RAE effect is cumulative.
● a battery connected on a ReGen coil can be recharged while the other Regen coils and the main rotor provide power. More datas results and videos of the experiments at : The Delayed Lenz Effect exploration and tests Jean-Louis Naudin – ReGenX replication TESTS REPORT MARCH 2013 - The JLN Labs home page
I presume he's paid for these 'replication services' as everything looks very professional; obviously intended to influence belief.

Here's what Farmhand (OverunityResearch.com) posted:
I'm suspicious of Naudin, what does he do ? He seems to just present apparent OU but never follows it up.
If he in fact had an OU device, just one out of the many devices he shows, why would he not follow it up
and get independent testing so as to prove the extra energy beyond doubt.

Also he mentions Utikin, who I think is disinfo (just my opinion) I think there is a group of buddy buddy scientific types
doing high class disinfo. The Iranian guy Keshe, Meyl, Naudin, Utikin, Don Smith, the list goes on.
None of them have actually proved any OU. If even one of them has actual OU then it would be ground breaking stuff
and yet they do little to nothing to actually prove anything.

Set the arrangement up and organize a qualified independent test person or two and lets see the result.

I can only assume that given there is no proven OU from Naudin in the past, that this is just another, more of the same.

If people believe this is real then people should be taking steps to replicate it. And show better evidence.

My question is what is the purpose of these people ? Because it's not to prove OU.
If they had OU and wanted to prove it they just would.

I'm not believing it. What happened to all his other "apparent OU" devices, was the OU not good enough ?

Things don't add up to me.
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So called dispacement current inside capacitor can do work without energy input if I good remember one treatise I once had read...
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AHH and i forgot! If any of us gets 2.80 COP in electricity, why in the name of God would he use that extra energy for splitting water? What's the best usable energy form on the planet? Don't tell me hidrogen, PLEASE, i blow up ).
It can make sense if you shake the water molecule into H2 and O2 with
little consumption of power. Water fracturing rather than electrolysis
which is relatively crude.

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So called dispacement current inside capacitor can do work without energy input if I good remember one treatise I once had read...
How can the displacement current even happen with out energy involved ?

Such a statement is more or less saying that work can be obtained from nothing
(work is energy) . Which would add to the Universe, in other words it's a way of
saying something can be made form nothing.

Just because we don't see it or recognize the energy input doesn't mean there is none.

Something must cause the displacement current to happen. For a
displacement current to happen there needs to be a potential difference
applied to the capacitor a potential difference is potential energy if it is
tapped it is real energy. It takes energy to create a potential difference.
Maybe not energy from our own input but still energy.

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Hi , timing is uncanny,..
Wrtner, that chapter 10 link (I'm only as far as pg4).
I tried usuing the steel laminates from a MOT,but are they coated with insulation? Does it matter if the plates are insulated?
I believe in the law of Conservation, but we waste so much
You can utilize more work .
Different X's give better results,without putting anymore draw on the supply.
Excellent thread folks.
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Yes Shylo, I think 2nd the Law of thermodynamics probably does hold up if
things are considered. I might be mixing up my laws I'm no University trained
professor on the subject, but to show the 2nd law doesn't hold up we would
need to first demonstrate a truly closed system I think. Then show an decrease
of entropy in there or something ?

Anyway I have an induction cooker but when it turns on it comes on at 1800 Watts
power level. I wouldn't mind trying the experiment myself as any
hopeful skeptic should. But the cooker works good and is useful as a cooker I
don't want to ruin it.

I think I'll pull it apart and have a look at it first, count turns ect.

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Hi , timing is uncanny,..
Wrtner, that chapter 10 link (I'm only as far as pg4).
I tried using the steel laminates from a MOT,but are they coated with insulation? Does it matter if the plates are insulated?
They are usually varnished to cut down eddy currrents. What are
you using them for?
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Yes Shylo, I think 2nd the Law of thermodynamics probably does hold up if
things are considered. I might be mixing up my laws I'm no University trained
professor on the subject, but to show the 2nd law doesn't hold up we would
need to first demonstrate a truly closed system I think. Then show an decrease
of entropy in there or something ?

Anyway I have an induction cooker but when it turns on it comes on at 1800 Watts
power level. I wouldn't mind trying the experiment myself as any
hopeful skeptic should. But the cooker works good and is useful as a cooker I
don't want to ruin it.

I think I'll pull it apart and have a look at it first, count turns ect.

Cheers
Hello Farmhand.
You'll not ruin it but the results may disappoint you, unless your measuring method will allow for an error. This can only be very efficient transfer between two coils but nothing more. Not with this setup. There may be a way but I didn't get there yet and cannot speculate about the outcome.
You may need to fool your cooker by placing shortly piece of metal between two coils and quickly removing it. Otherwise cooker may not start sensing no load.

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