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Old 11-02-2007, 01:00 AM
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The Moray valve

I'm placing this thread because i couldn't find one concerning this subject. And I think discussion will be interesting.

as most of you will know, Dr. Moray invented this device in the early 1900's. In short: a 60 pound device putting out 50Kw. (Peter talks about this in one of his lectures)
And the secret to this device being the Moray valve, a sort of diode for radiant energy.
I have been searching the net for a bit, and it really seems like no one has ever re-invented this component after it was destroyed back in the 30's. Or at least no one is disclosing any information.
The reason im starting this thread is to find out what you people think of all this. This valve being the "holy grail" of radiant energy, the output of it being far greater than any other radiant device i've ever heard of.

I'm still in the process of scrambling together parts for a bedini SSG. My knowledge of conventional electronics is not as good as some of the users on this forum though.
But still it might be cool to do some experimenting with some of the alleged materials that were supposed to be in the valve. Or do you people think it will be too hard for a mere mortal like me. :P
And where am i going to find Germanium, Bismuth, Uranium? isn't that stuff expensive?
I'd also like to know if any of the users on this forum have expirimented with this? I mean there is a lot of information on the net on "what" the valve would have contained. But it would still be incredibly difficult to reproduce what he did.

I personally think the "secret" will be discovered by someone who has a natural feel or intuition for this type of energy. One would have to know what he was doing, I Guess that sort of the point of playing with simple ssg's learning to understand first hand what radiant energy is. If you don't know what youre dealing with, you can't solve problems, or get any idea's.
It just frustrates me that this thing was invented a small century ago, and nobody can re-invent it. It's just mind blowing.
Maybe the time isn't right for it yet.

Anyway what do you people think of all this?
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Hi Mr. Jan H
And I like you googled alot of time to find more information for Moray Generator. There isnt any useful information how this generator work or how its made od build. There isnt nothing. I know that Dr. Moray experimenting with Tesla waves and currents but nothing more. Do you have some schema for this generator?
You can find germanium for a low price. That is a Geranium crystal in some transistors.
I will continue to search for more information.
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Hutchinson Effect Videos, Hutchinson mentions Moray and claims that it was a container of minerals/crystals, with a long wire antenna. There is mention elsewhere of powdered crystals/minerals, and a pocket radio (Erla Crystal), and this may have been used for oscillation of the mix. He may have been using many cells in both series and parallel?

Hutchinson mentions Moray at 4:40 on the timer
YouTube - New Energy Series 2: John Hutchison Part 2

I've seen 20 foot high antenna wires with aluminum pie plates on the end. 32volts, 25ma, but it never occurred to me to that it could be used to trigger or excite a box of goodies.

We're on the right track.

Is rotation really necessary?
Why not squares in kilovolts (big kicks)?
Quarter wave gives more bang for the buck.

Good Luck
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I'm placing this thread because i couldn't find one concerning this subject. And I think discussion will be interesting.

as most of you will know, Dr. Moray invented this device in the early 1900's. In short: a 60 pound device putting out 50Kw. (Peter talks about this in one of his lectures)
And the secret to this device being the Moray valve, a sort of diode for radiant energy.
I have been searching the net for a bit, and it really seems like no one has ever re-invented this component after it was destroyed back in the 30's. Or at least no one is disclosing any information.
The reason im starting this thread is to find out what you people think of all this. This valve being the "holy grail" of radiant energy, the output of it being far greater than any other radiant device i've ever heard of.

I'm still in the process of scrambling together parts for a bedini SSG. My knowledge of conventional electronics is not as good as some of the users on this forum though.
But still it might be cool to do some experimenting with some of the alleged materials that were supposed to be in the valve. Or do you people think it will be too hard for a mere mortal like me. :P
And where am i going to find Germanium, Bismuth, Uranium? isn't that stuff expensive?
I'd also like to know if any of the users on this forum have expirimented with this? I mean there is a lot of information on the net on "what" the valve would have contained. But it would still be incredibly difficult to reproduce what he did.

I personally think the "secret" will be discovered by someone who has a natural feel or intuition for this type of energy. One would have to know what he was doing, I Guess that sort of the point of playing with simple ssg's learning to understand first hand what radiant energy is. If you don't know what youre dealing with, you can't solve problems, or get any idea's.
It just frustrates me that this thing was invented a small century ago, and nobody can re-invent it. It's just mind blowing.
Maybe the time isn't right for it yet.

Anyway what do you people think of all this?
I was intriuged when I first read about moray- perhaps when i was 15 or 16. It sounded to me like he was capturing the so called "quantum vacuum fluctuations"

I.E. "quantum diode"

Well, from the description of the device, it wasn't generating any energy on its own, but rather recieving and transducing the energy from surrounding space. I wondered about the background microwave radiation which pervades our universe, but that doesn't seem to hold the answer. The only thing that could provide the energy he claimed (50kW) is something which interfaces with zero point (shall we say) energy

I know thats not necessarily a welcome term on a "radiant energy" forum, but I hope one day we will understand and connect these two terms and have some sort of unified definition.

Anyhoo, the thing to remember is that Moray was (sort of) continuing teslas work- which is something akin to radio. His diodes were "a strange mix of radioactive materials" but nothing refined- just naturally occuring radioactive ores were all that he could have possibly found.

He did have tubes that had short lived isotopes in them, and their decay is said to have been an important factor in determining how all this really worked, but as far as I can tell, he was doing something similar to what EV Gray was doing. Those three can be kind of grouped- Tesla, Moray, and Gray.

For what its worth...

Experimentation will yeild a lot more than searching for ghosts, in my opinion.
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Old 09-16-2008, 09:26 AM
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Moray's Book
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/P26.pdf
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Info on Moray

Try:

Nu Energy Research Institute


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Mатериалите се предоставят с образователна цел и не са тествани! - Електричество (Electricity) - Henry Moray Oscillator Tube

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"The moray geranium mixture gives unique results in functioning as in a
valve or booster amplifier. He made them in the form of pellets compressed
under high pressure and fused. The combination contained: Bismuth, ZINC
SULFIDE, Pure geranium metal, 99.97% GE, 0.03% ZnS. active bismuth
activator,-tribolurninescent zinc. Some pellets fastened to envelop with pure
tin in place of solder. Bismuth pellets fused to side. Germanium mixture
pellets float between other pellets but making firm but needlepoint like
contact. he also has used silicon too, which has some of the properties of
germanium. Germanium works best when impurities are introduced. Care
must be taken when alloyed with other substances, as too much other
mixture added worsens conductivity, and germanium looses its properties."
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Radioactive Diode

If Moray did mix uranium in with his valve, this may have been a key factor. Anyone wanting to experiment with this type of circuit should consider using a 1N29B diode. They come packaged in lead foil, but that's all I know about them, except when they're used in a crystal radio, they'll power a loudspeaker directly, without any amplifier stage. I have a couple of them, but haven't got the proper equipment yet to do any tests.
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@sucahyo:
Where do you have the info on the germanium mix from?
In this info there is no mention of any radioactive elements if i have not overlooked one
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@Xenomorph, I quote the text from the link file. I think bismuth used in the valve is the radioactive one, because the text mention it need to be active bismuth.

Bismuth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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It is generally considered to be the last naturally occurring stable, non-radioactive element on the periodic table, although it is actually slightly radioactive, with an extremely long half-life.
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I remember reading somewhere that Moray was using pink quartz. I also know from the field of Stained Glass art that uranium is the trace element which will give glass a pink color.
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If Moray did mix uranium in with his valve, this may have been a key factor. Anyone wanting to experiment with this type of circuit should consider using a 1N29B diode. They come packaged in lead foil, but that's all I know about them, except when they're used in a crystal radio, they'll power a loudspeaker directly, without any amplifier stage. I have a couple of them, but haven't got the proper equipment yet to do any tests.
Electrotec

Where can you get 1N29Bs from or the spec sheets - I cannot find them listed.

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Electrotec

Where can you get 1N29Bs from or the spec sheets - I cannot find them listed.

Regards

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If there aren't any specs, I suppose that means it's no longer available? It's made by Sylvania so they might still have some info. Or, check on some of the ham radio sites. Someone there might know about it. Also, it has a tiny gold plated stud on one end. Maybe you could search for some stud mounted diode references.

I think the radioactive property is the important thing. Maybe we can experiment with our own components, using Galena which is readily available in peltiers used in portable coolers. Or from Van Waters and Rogers, a chemical supply. The possibility of activating bismuth is what interests me. Boron, as it appears in Pyrex, can easily be activated - to become radioactive - by hitting it with 15 Mev protons, which are hydrogen ions. The decay rate then lasts for 3 or 4 days. Bismuth might last longer. You can get it at the reloader supply store, since it's used for the pellets in shot gun shells.
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Take it for Granite

Have you investigated granite as Moray's source of radiation? Some support for his use of granite is that some granite consists of quartz, bismuth, up to 20 ppm Uranium and up to 4 ppm Germanium. Granite is a known source of natural radiation and Moray, living in Salt Lake City, Utah, would have easy access to the granite mine located at Little Cottonwood Canyon just 15 miles away. Moray failed to obtain a patent for his work because he was unable to acurately describe the energy source. Could he have been using radioactivity as a source of naturally occurning nuclear energy to power his instrument?
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Have you investigated granite as Moray's source of radiation? Some support for his use of granite is that some granite consists of quartz, bismuth, up to 20 ppm Uranium and up to 4 ppm Germanium. Granite is a known source of natural radiation and Moray, living in Salt Lake City, Utah, would have easy access to the granite mine located at Little Cottonwood Canyon just 15 miles away. Moray failed to obtain a patent for his work because he was unable to acurately describe the energy source. Could he have been using radioactivity as a source of naturally occurning nuclear energy to power his instrument?
I think Moray was using "Swedish stone", not materials he found local.
You might have a listen to Stan Deyo's lecture on youtube which
discusses Moray.
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Have you investigated granite as Moray's source of radiation?

Granite doesn't seem plausible to me. However, tonight
I stumbled upon this.

Check out the granite ball (time 8:04 on this video) that was found in the great pyramid.
This is the first time I've learned about this artifact.
I wonder what it was for.

YouTube - 1 Edgar Cayce's A.R.E. Search for the Hall of Records - Egypt

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I think if you consider Moray's work as in any way "real" (as it certainly was in my opinion, and the opinion of hundreds of his day who witnessed and tested it), you must take him at his word in his book (linked above). And so the effect was definitely linked to his specially-manufactured Tubes which had a mix of Gallium and the other elements in them... Which were actually

THE FIRST SEMI-CONDUCTORS IN HISTORY...

That Dr. Shockley of Bell Labs, who is credited with the discovery of the transistor, is known to have closely studied.

These compounds were somehow mixed or layered along with the radioactive traces of either Radium or Uranium (Moray always refused to give any details on this part, only that it was certainly "radioactive"). But there is no way that these trace amounts could DIRECTLY and steadily produce up to 50kW of energy under any known conventional method, even today. Since we know that the tubes lasted for many years, the radioactive traces obviously did not liberate their nuclear energy quickly.

What i found interesting was, that according to Moray's son, he had to pay over $8,000 for each tube to be made in Germany (that was BIG money in those days). this is why he kept re-using them in ever-increasing larger units, with more tube stages, and always only had one unit that operated at a time. To get the final figure of "50kW: in 1940; he had 8 tube stages. That's when the "scientist" the US government sent "to help him test" smashed the device with a hammer.

So it probably is as stated above (and as Moray himself stated), that the radioactivity is the key to transform the radiant energy, the "Cosmic Rays" as he thought, into electricity (or, perhaps more precisely, that it acted as a small biasing "power supply" to enable the effect).

Sometimes Moray needed "small pencil-sized dry cell batteries" to operate the device, and sometimes he didn't... What significance this has is not yet understood from what i have read. He was also witnessed several times to stroke a coil with a magnet by hand to get it started. What this shows is that very likely a voltage of some kind was needed for the tubes to initially operate. Lol, shades of Steven Mark and the "TPU"

But although it is true as said above that there have never been any OPENLY KNOWN replications of his work; i would not bet a penny that it has never been replicated in secret

And if a researcher did replicate it, if they had any sense they would not advertise it; as this is certainly one of the most suppressed technologies there is, and they would surly get unwanted visitors very quickly.

Moray has NEVER been debunked. That's why his work, and his sterling character that could not be besmirched, is very important for the cause of Free Energy for this reason.

Lol the skeptics REALLY HATE THAT

(and that's why i use him as the "Free Energy Facebook Group's" icon photo, hehehe).

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Granite doesn't seem plausible to me. However, tonight
I stumbled upon this.

Check out the granite ball (time 8:04 on this video) that was found in the great pyramid.
This is the first time I've learned about this artifact.
I wonder what it was for.

YouTube - 1 Edgar Cayce's A.R.E. Search for the Hall of Records - Egypt
Hi
Thought this may be of interest - granite radioactivity,
Don't Take a Geiger Counter Into a Granite Showroom : TreeHugger
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Hi
Thought this may be of interest - granite radioactivity,
Don't Take a Geiger Counter Into a Granite Showroom : TreeHugger
So it seems to me, the granite ball should be placed on the STAFF,
pushed into the slot there between the two copper "handles",
completing the circuit, opening the orifice, letting the sand drain
down into the lower chamber, and opening the NEW passage
way into the great pyramid.

This is not unlike the monolith in 2001. We have to prove
that we are advanced enough to figure this out before the mystery
will reveal itself.
I think it makes great sense to study this problem very carefully,
getting all the data you can. But eventually someone has
to have the guts to push the button and see what happens. :-)
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You've all probably seen this already but I'm putting it here because it's relevant:

Endless Light - Dr. Thomas Henry Moray

BTW, the entire book is well worth a read, lots of good nuggets in there.
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Moray-like pattent circa 1987

This patent is interesting and Moray-like:

Apparatus for converting radio ... - Google Patent Search

The inventor gives the components, making it easy to replicate:

[] N34A Germanium diodes
[] 35-47 millihenry R.F. chokes
[] 0.47 picofarad 200V capacitors
[] coax - 50 ohm
[] dipolar butterfly antenna 12in x 18in

I'm impressed that the inductors are so large and the
capacitors are so tiny (high Q) ... and the
germanium diodes are used.

There doesn't seem to be a way to tune this device.

Those skilled in the art might have fun trying to replicate this one.
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Scan of Moray's "The Sea of Energy - 5th edition" book that is very hard to find MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service
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I was watching some vids about bismuth and search
around and found a hit re: bismuth and Moray...

[CTRL] T.H. Moray's Swedish Stone

The above has pretty technical information about what Moray did.

quote:
"Moray's research with radioactive semiconductors has opened the door to our
energy independence. These semiconductors have an increased sensitivity. His
greatest achievement was with a triboluminescent zinc mixture consisting of
pure zinc sulfide, radioactive impurities, and pure germanium metal.
"Artificial radiation" could be used in place of the radioactive impurities.
By exposing bismuth to radiation emitted from his unique high-voltage powered
vacuum-tube that contained radium chloride he was able to create "active
bismuth", today known as polonium-210. This is what Moray called "artificial
radiation." When added to the zinc sulfide it would glow a bluish-green. When
this glowing material was then doped into ultra-pure germanium it made an
excellent emitter of secondary electrons. Moray called this new synthetic
"fission material." This transistor type material is said to have been
superior to the Bell Laboratory transistor materials."
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I've seen that circuit before - it was a set of plans that I purchased from Creative Science. Never built it but you have to take most of the info they sell with a pinch of salt.
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magniworks?

anyone know about this magniworks perpetual motion energy generator?

magniworks.net
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:21 PM
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Magniwork.
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Old 06-25-2010, 06:30 PM
Cheif prince of me-she-ch Cheif prince of me-she-ch is offline
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Gods power

Today is the first day of tubal ezekial 39
the sterilization of negative ions from earth
behold I am against thee oh Gog the cheif prince of me-she-ch
you will find free energy by two ballance antennas
with salt crystals in one and water in the other
do not use a microwave converter build up your crystals
you can ground to earth but will erase the computers
as ac current is not pure photons but dirty power. Thus making your metter the ground. Have a wonderfull day and praise God for today is the day he has made.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:22 PM
Cheif prince of me-she-ch Cheif prince of me-she-ch is offline
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I guess i should add

You may not think its working because the volts read
low but however its so pure it is you can extend your antenna
the longer the more impure and more ac like current but
its really just dirtier voltage as pure current is not dirty
because most metters read backwards some how it you put it on volts
wrap the wires around the photon wire you get amps or photons
ah all you guys are smarter then me just know it works
and its unlimited also for all you guys that want warp stuff
ive also solved einstiens unified feild theory
ch@record7.com i guess its not just einstien I put his and tesla and moray with Gods or rather they failed at explainig it ill do my best
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Old 06-28-2010, 11:51 PM
Cheif prince of me-she-ch Cheif prince of me-she-ch is offline
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Warping a light bulb

Search utube warping a light bulb its direct
photon energy
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:11 PM
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Any progress?

Just wondering if anyone has been trying to recreate the moray valve or machines like the one moray built.
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