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Old 11-25-2012, 01:28 AM
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Is This Actually Radiant Energy?

Greetings to everyone.

I personally observed this strange phenomenon more that 30 years ago. On one occasion the wire of the coil was burned, the insulation charred but I still could not figure out how or why it has happened to this very day.

I was in high school then and was playing with crystal sets as a hobby. I made my own coil for the LC tank circuit using AWG#30 enamelled copper wire wound onto a size "D" battery (single cell) as a coil form, plus paper insulation. It was a single layer coil about 1.5" long. I slid the coil off the battery after I had wound it.

For an aerial antenna I used the same AWG#30 wire and suspended it at several points using nails through plastic bushings (insulator). A single wire strand ran the entire perimeter of the roof which has a rectangular outline roughly 40-ft x 50-ft, approximately 12-ft above the ground. Lead-in wire was the same single strand AWG#30 going through a window to the crystal set, basically no transmission line. I was in the habit of disconnecting this aerial from the crystal set when not in use.

Earth ground was provided by a metal pipe in the adjacent bathroom.

The plans called for an air-core coil but as I was tuning the unit I found out that I could only receive AM signals if I kept the battery within the coil and so the battery stayed there. The battery was the cheapest available so I presume it is of the carbon-zinc variety. Putting the battery within the coil apparently altered the coil's inductance but I don't know how much or in which direction. But it did work with the battery in the coil so I left it there.

One night there was a thunderstorm and the following morning I reconnected the aerial antenna to the crystal set. Upon connecting the antenna, the coil started to smoke then turned cherry red color then fell off the battery's side forming a heap at the base of the battery. The insulation was charred. Lead-in wire from the aerial was NOT burned, aerial was not burned. Tuning capacitor (cheap plastic unit) was not burned. It was only the coil that was burned. The crystal set did not work any more (understandably) so I left it that way for some time. The entire event lasted for about 3 secs.

Few weeks later I constructed another coil identical to the first one and the crystal set functioned normally as before indicating that no other components were damaged except the coil.

I have kept this event in the back of my head but have not found a plausible explanation to this very day. (I spent the past 20 years of my life in a semiconductor factory doing design & development work for electrical testing of ICs in a production environment.)

I would like to somehow understand what went on with that circuit and this explantation come to mind: The aerial was acting like a capacitor and the thunderstorm had imparted a substantial charge to the aerial. This charge went through the coil and finally to ground. What I don't get is the huge amount of power that was discharged through the coil, coming from a the small-capacitance (?) single-strand aerial antenna, and the event lasted for about 3 secs instead of just milli-seconds. I also did not feel any electric shock even though the enamelled wire offered little insulation, perhaps <200v.

If this is an actual manifestation of radiant energy then I would like to explore it some more. Any plausible explanation would be welcome.

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Old 11-25-2012, 03:44 AM
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Greetings to everyone.

I personally observed this strange phenomenon more that 30 years ago. On one occasion the wire of the coil was burned, the insulation charred but I still could not figure out how or why it has happened to this very day.

I was in high school then and was playing with crystal sets as a hobby. I made my own coil for the LC tank circuit using AWG#30 enamelled copper wire wound onto a size "D" battery (single cell) as a coil form, plus paper insulation. It was a single layer coil about 1.5" long. I slid the coil off the battery after I had wound it.

For an aerial antenna I used the same AWG#30 wire and suspended it at several points using nails through plastic bushings (insulator). A single wire strand ran the entire perimeter of the roof which has a rectangular outline roughly 40-ft x 50-ft, approximately 12-ft above the ground. Lead-in wire was the same single strand AWG#30 going through a window to the crystal set, basically no transmission line. I was in the habit of disconnecting this aerial from the crystal set when not in use.

Earth ground was provided by a metal pipe in the adjacent bathroom.

The plans called for an air-core coil but as I was tuning the unit I found out that I could only receive AM signals if I kept the battery within the coil and so the battery stayed there. The battery was the cheapest available so I presume it is of the carbon-zinc variety. Putting the battery within the coil apparently altered the coil's inductance but I don't know how much or in which direction. But it did work with the battery in the coil so I left it there.

One night there was a thunderstorm and the following morning I reconnected the aerial antenna to the crystal set. Upon connecting the antenna, the coil started to smoke then turned cherry red color then fell off the battery's side forming a heap at the base of the battery. The insulation was charred. Lead-in wire from the aerial was NOT burned, aerial was not burned. Tuning capacitor (cheap plastic unit) was not burned. It was only the coil that was burned. The crystal set did not work any more (understandably) so I left it that way for some time. The entire event lasted for about 3 secs.

Few weeks later I constructed another coil identical to the first one and the crystal set functioned normally as before indicating that no other components were damaged except the coil.

I have kept this event in the back of my head but have not found a plausible explanation to this very day. (I spent the past 20 years of my life in a semiconductor factory doing design & development work for electrical testing of ICs in a production environment.)

I would like to somehow understand what went on with that circuit and this explantation come to mind: The aerial was acting like a capacitor and the thunderstorm had imparted a substantial charge to the aerial. This charge went through the coil and finally to ground. What I don't get is the huge amount of power that was discharged through the coil, coming from a the small-capacitance (?) single-strand aerial antenna, and the event lasted for about 3 secs instead of just milli-seconds. I also did not feel any electric shock even though the enamelled wire offered little insulation, perhaps <200v.

If this is an actual manifestation of radiant energy then I would like to explore it some more. Any plausible explanation would be welcome.

fascinating event. the std EM equations come to mind, however.... with lighting I tend towards tossing that all out the window. electrostatic discharge of high potentials is complex, esp when dealing with lighting. lighting exhibits SL/USL or super luminal & ultra super luminal phase velocities. in other words FTL. NASA and many gov agencies have done loads of research into this with strange results and classified docs.

I put lighting into the 'radiant' category in that sense. I have a couple good declassified documents on the research but it's near impossible to post any of it here. I can check for external links, though.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:06 AM
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Thank you Madhatter. I am looking forward to whatever inputs you might have regarding this phenomenon.

Over the years I have told this story to my colleagues and anybody else who would care to listen but so far nobody has come up with a plausible explanation. I am still in the dark.

I have put my story here in case somebody might have a similar experience in the past and could relate to it. Perhaps also to add to the existing knowledge base in this forum.

I am from the Philippines and the event I described above happened in the house where I was living at that time located within Metro Manila.

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Old 11-25-2012, 01:55 PM
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Hi Lester444,

Your description brings up memories I personally witnessed. Many years ago I visited an amateur radio station and they used a long wire antenna (probably its length was 40 meter or so and its height above ground was about 10 meter, sloping to the window of a small transmitter room in the first floor of the building where it was entered via a wall-through insulator. A thunderstorm started and they disconnected the antenna wire end from the equipment but the moment the wire end left hanging on the table it started sparking towards the metal edge decoration of the wooden table and it was fascinating and a bit frightening at the same time! I vividly still remember the 1-1.5 cm long sparks repetetively occuring a bit quicker than 1 second, one of the guys dared to near his finger to the wire end and he got a pretty strong electric shock. Then they managed to connect the wire end to the station ground to avoid any further problem.
So this must have been the same phenomena in your case: the atmospheric electricity during thunderstorms or lightnings greatly increases with respect to the normal conditions and your long antenna wire simply tapped into this charge so the energy from it went through the coil towards the ground. You were lucky not to get an electric shock and I believe when such conditions exist it is not always the very high voltage which counts but also the "capacity" of such an atmospheric source because the tapped energy from it is surely supplied from a vast 'charge reservoir' the atmosphere represents. I mean the huge current via your coil was maintaned continuously till the wire got fully burnt. Had you have a thicker wire, it may have been kept in a glow for a certain time! (A very dangerous test it would be for sure...)

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Old 11-25-2012, 02:39 PM
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Gyula,
Thanks for that information, it is helpful. The only difference I could think of between what you & I saw is that yours occurred DURING a thunderstorm while mine was a few hours AFTER a thunderstorm. Amazingly the charge was still in the wire and it packs a lot of energy!!!

With regards to what I witnessed with the battery within the coil, this post by UFOpolitics might be related. Because indeed the carbon rod inside the battery (the positive terminal) is positioned within the coil itself. Post #180 here:
My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

Finally, I am getting some answers after more than 35 years "in darkness". Internet is awesome and so is this forum!!!! Thank you!!!

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Is this actually Radient Energy?

Hello Lester 444
The more likely senario, is your coil simply shorted across your "D battery core". I have personally seen a charge build up on an antenna coax for my radio gear on more than one occasion. However there would not be enough current there to cook your coil. You didn't say a "dead" battery.
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You didn't say a "dead" battery.
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Yes that's true. However I did say " plus paper insulation " and that pretty much insulates 1.5v potential from any possible shorts.

Thanks for pointing this out and indeed the battery was dead when I used it.
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thought it might interest you ... considering your experiment :

Earth Thunderstorms Hurl Antimatter Into Space | Antimatter | Lightning | Space.com

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A very interesting couple of accounts indeed.
My own forays into lightning and crystal sets has luckily avoided HV discharges into the cranium, but only just about. It's really interesting to hear the crackles and pops through a headphone when a storm is nearby. More so with a scope attached etc. Well, I was once listening to such crackles and wishing to make notes of changes as the storm grew closer. It then dawned on me that having a headphone to my head was not entirely the safest procedure to follow !
A weird effect was noticed a few months ago and may relate to your experience Lester. I'd hung up an aerial of about 100ft and only 7ft high in the backyard. On listening to the signal all I heard was a high pitched whine. When the sun came out, the whine pitch went audibly lower in a slew tone ! No signals could be tuned into, just the whine sound of around 12kHz was heard, dropping to about 9kHz. When the sun disappeared for the day, the whine stopped and radio stations came back. All seems topsy turvy, surely the pitch would have increased if anything, not decreased ?
I changed the aerial by adding 20ft to it and the whole thing received radio stations in the day as well as at night. The whine had gone completely. There was a peculiar matched impedance/resonance going on between sun energy and the wire it seems.


I see you've done IC design....now there's a syncronicity if ever I saw one. Might be something down the near future road where i'd need your skills. May never happen, good to know it may
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:49 AM
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Thank you Slider & MonsieurM.

One thing I would like to point out is how come the energy dissipation was confined to the coil ONLY? The lead-in wire from the aerial was of the same size wire as the coil itself yet there was not even a trace of heat, even up to almost the coil itself.

Apparently the energy was confined to the coil only and the carbon rod within the battery itself may have a lot to do with it. UFOPolitics did mention his own observations concerning carbon & radiant energy interaction and it might be related to this. But I'm just guessing here.
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One thing I would like to point out is how come the energy dissipation was confined to the coil ONLY?
NMR and low energy nuclear reaction within the corroded zinc of the dead D cell directly transduced by the coil with respect to a fortuitously tuned resonant frequency energising circuit ?
Would similar work with dud modern lithium batteries ?
Coil around some thin metal core as per Hendershot ?
The core carries high short circuit current, voltage stepped up by winding and vice-versa.
(The other Lester burnt out his winding wires too!)

Slider - go get that 'modulated' howl back. Transduce it.
Measure the resonant 'carrier' frequency.
What core or metal is it coming from ? NMR ?

Cheers ........ Graham.
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Thank you Slider & MonsieurM.


Apparently the energy was confined to the coil only and the carbon rod within the battery itself may have a lot to do with it. UFOPolitics did mention his own observations concerning carbon & radiant energy interaction and it might be related to this. But I'm just guessing here.

through some research , a while back , found the following info .... which may be related to Carbon and radiant energy :

http://www.energeticforum.com/201737-post2628.html

The Balancing Effect of Carbon and Magnet .............. looks to be somehow related to your observations .....
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through some research , a while back , found the following info .... which may be related to Carbon and radiant energy :

http://www.energeticforum.com/201737-post2628.html

The Balancing Effect of Carbon and Magnet .............. looks to be somehow related to your observations .....
Interesting MonsieurM!!! Thanks!
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Slider - go get that 'modulated' howl back. Transduce it.
Measure the resonant 'carrier' frequency.
What core or metal is it coming from ? NMR ?

Cheers ........ Graham.
If you're gonna try something I did have a variable cap in parallel with the coil to form a resonant tank circuit for the AM band. I think it was 365pF maximum but I'm not sure.
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Energy stored in the ground?

Hi Lester444,

The charge from the storm was still lingering in the ground. When you connected the aerial, the freq of the tank circuit was a harmonic of the freg of the charge in the ground. The ground carries both DC and AC current.

The harmonics matched and let the rush of current from the ground through the radiator ground connection and into the circuit. The fine wire of the ant coil could not handle the inrush of energy.

Perhaps we should tune to what's coming up from the ground instead of what's coming in from the air?

Disclaimer: I'm just a retired musician. What the bleep do I know?

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3,6,9 frying tonight!

Hi Lester I hope you don’t mind but I have linked to you post from here 3 Battery Generating System
The reason being I wanted to amplify two very different transmission systems one being the passive ever diminishing radio system with its transverse electromagnetic wave.
And the other being the Tesla active wireless system using the naturally amplified linear electro static wave. Here is the Linear wave system that your little coil seems to have fallen foul of described by EPD
Part 1 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson - YouTube
The odds of your antenna being tuned to the progressive natural overtones of the Aether are pretty high but In my mind that is probably what you were privileged enough to see.
Tesla said "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe."
I would suggest that by fluke your tuning, antenna, and coil were responsive in a cumulative fashion.
Discover how to tune hold and convert the power you witnessed and the Energy wars and the condition of humanity is changed forever !
As for the simple answer to your question “Is This Actually Radiant Energy? “ well one way or another I'm sure the answer has to be an unequivocal yes
Best wishes Duncan
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