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Old 11-18-2012, 03:01 AM
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Slayer Exciter Specs?

Hello - I've read several threads on the slayer exciter circuit but being that I'm a total newb to circuitry I haven't seen anything that gives a step by step process on how to build one accompanied with a specific parts list. I have tried building one but it didn't work at all. Also, I've seen some videos with smaller diameter pvc and some with larger diameter, but can't make heads or tails out of the circuit. Below are the parts I have:

2n3055 (used with Super Joule Ringer)
1" PVC
28 Gauge Magnet Wire
16 Gauge Wire

1. Can I use these items above to build a slayer exciter or are there any other parts that I should use instead to make the circuit perform better (diodes, resistors)?
2. Assuming I can use the 1" PVC, how many turns for the 28 gauge wire? Turns for the 16 gauge?
3. Could someone provide a written description on how the circuit should be hooked up? I can't make sense out of schematics.

Thanks for the help in advance.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:28 PM
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To see the circuit information on the Slayer type of Exciter you can look at his Youtube channel. Most of his videos provide a circuit diagram.
GBluer's channel - YouTube

I can tell you that the L3 coil that uses a ferrite rod inside of the secondary, can be made a small as one or two inches long, and will work well. this will avoid hours of winding the big L3 coils that are used most of the time.
Best transistor to use is the 2n2222, many others will also work, but not as well. You'll also need a diode or two (1N4148), and a 1 meg resistor.
The primary coil can be as small as three turns around the L3 (secondary coil). Secondary coil can be made from the 30 gauge magnet wire, primary L1 coil can be most any insulated copper wire, or made into a pancake shape, and placed around the bottom part of the L3 coil.

The link that I provided above is Slayer's best circuit. So, to avoid spending a lot of time trying many other circuits, you may want to start with that one.
Good luck,
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:05 PM
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Nick, thanks for the help. I have watched some of his stuff before. Does he have a specific video I can reference? The ones I saw looks like he was using large PVC... do you know which video has the small ferrite you were referring to? Thanks again man.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:02 PM
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May I ask how Slayer exciter behave when tuned ? I wonder if somebody can tune it don to very low input power and what happen when you load secondary ? Can capacitor RCL circuit be used in Slayer exciter ?

Sorry if those are dumb questions , I'm looking for the best oscillator to scale up for kind of inverter self-oscillating self-adjusting frequency with RCL circuit of high Q so huge reactive power can circulate in it while input power is very small if not loaded . By scale up I mean able to power from 12 up to 36V like common power inverter input. Not sure if this is possible at all.Any ideas ?
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:28 PM
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So far I've gathered that I need the following:

2n2222 Transistor
1N4148 Diodes (2)
30 Gauge Magnet Wire
16 Gauge Wire
1 Meg Resistor

The next questions are:

- I'm only creating 2 coils correct? L3 is called the secondary and the L1 is the primary?

- The L3 being an air core from PVC wound 1-2 inches with 30 gauge magnet wire with a ferrite rod/core placed inside the PVC? So the ferrite core isn't wrapped with wire, just simply placed inside and not connected to anything?

- Which video on his channel shows the correct schematic? Some of his shows an LED indicator and such. I just want the simplest form of the circuit since I have no idea what I'm doing.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:52 AM
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In the meantime, I had this 1-1.5" ferrite core that I ripped out of an old CPU power supply. I wrapped the entire thing with 30 gauge magnet wire and wrapped a small piece of 16 gauge around the base and hooked it up to a few random transistors I had on hand, but nothing worked.

Should this work on a minimal level? Attached is a picture.

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Old 11-19-2012, 04:08 PM
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Here is my video showing the comparison of three different Exciters, they all have basically the same circuit. Lidmotor also have several videos showing the diagram and his versions. Jonny Davro was the first one to come up with the 2cm Exciter, you may want to look at that video as well.
I don't have time right now to get into an other explanations, but you are following along well. Study the recommended videos and their diagrams, first.
I'll be glad to answer any other questions, later.
Nick
My one inch Exciter video:
Tiny Exciter coil circuit lighting CFL bulbs - YouTube
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:19 AM
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hi am only new to all this i lernt a heep from this one ( Joulethief SEC exciter and variants ) ,, regards bart
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:33 AM
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Hey guys, I rebuilt the coil just to make sure that wasn't a problem and also picked up the 2n2222 at radio shack. I've posted a video showing the setup and explaining where I am with the process. I would appreciate your thoughts... thanks! Below is the link to the video.

2012 11 21 21 33 20 306 - YouTube
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Old 11-22-2012, 05:16 AM
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Good video.

Normally, something like a 24K resistor will run from the Positive battery connection to the Base of the transistor. Often it can be removed once the thing fires up, but it needs that initial feedback to come through from your 30 gauge Secondary.
24K is Red/Yellow/Orange/Gold. You could also use a 100K variable pot.
Resistor color codes chart: http://www.dannyg.com/examples/res2/resistor.htm

Turns for that sort of tower should be in the order of 600+
The Primary should be wound in the opposite direction to the Secondary, If the circuit doesn't fire up, swap the Primary connecting leads over.
Otherwise, 4.5V is a good start place, the 2N2222A will need to be checked for temperature when running, but it should be fine. Can always clip a penny onto the flat face of it as a heatsink if it does get overly warm.

The LED seen in a lot of derivations on the circuit, is there for both protecting the Base from too high an input and also to serve as a visual indicator. As an indicator it will light brightest when the Primary is at exactly the right place up or down on the Secondary. If that LED comes on at all, then the circuit is running.
LED goes from the Emitter to the Base, placed in backwards, so that the Positive leg is connected to the Negative of the battery.

To test for the wireless field, an LED on an AV plug and few inches of wire is the easiest thing to do. Take the LED, connect a 1N4148 diode to each respective leg, as in Negative direction of diode to Negative leg of LED. Join the diodes together at the other end and hang a length of wire off that join. Now, you'll get an idea of the inductive range of the setup when it does fire up.

Other good transistors for this sort of setup are MPSA06, C1815, D677, C3198...lots of mid to high hFE signal transistors really (hFE is given in online datasheets and anything above 150 is a good one to try). Even a 2N3904 will get you started, but the 2N2222A is a winner anyway

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Old 11-22-2012, 06:09 PM
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In order to really know if the circuit is wired right, for sure, use only a 1.5 volt AA battery, at first. This will avoid frying the transistors, and fooling you like with your led lighting up as you have it in your video.
To test the wireless field to see if the wireless field works on that low 1 volt voltage, use an Av plug, like Slider mentioned.
You'll need two different Av plugs, like I am showing in my video. One with a neon bulb to test for High Voltage, and another one with an led to test for low voltages. The led Av plug will not really show if you are really getting high voltage from the secondary, like over 100 volts.
You will need the 1meg resistor, not 1 k, like you mentioned, as they are not the same. But, a 1k resistor will work on the low 1 volt input.
You'll need at least one 1n4148 diode between the base and the emitter, also. The band on the diode goes on the side facing the transistor base. The 1meg resistor also goes on the transistor base between the diode and the battery positive pole.
Make the primary coil so it can slide on the secondary coil, to tune for the right location, not just at the very bottom of the secondary like you have it. An inch from the bottom would be a good starting point.
When you use higher voltages like 6v to 12v, put your finger on the transistor to feel when it is getting too hot. If you can't touch it without burning your finger, it is too hot. Buy several of the 2n2222 transistors, you'll need them, as they easily burn out.
Primary coil only needs to be Three turns of thinner insulated wire, than what you are using. Although what you are using should also work.
If the circuit does not start by itself, you can use the Av plug to tap the transistor's connections, and that will kick start the oscillator to fire up the led on the Av plug, and that will show you that the circuit is working.
Wireless field should be from several inches to a couple of feet or more away from the tower's secondary coil, when reading the led's light on the Av plug.

Anyways, now you've probably have gotten too much advice, from us all. But, make another video to show what you've done to improve the circuit.

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Old 01-31-2013, 04:13 PM
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Slayer transistor Mod

My version
Slayer Booster 2DMax - YouTube
Slayer Booster 2DMax

thanks to Slayer
With direct dc 5 meters led strip consume 700 mA with Slayer 110 ma
6 leds 200mA 50 mA
3 watt led 240 mA 70 mA

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Old 01-31-2013, 10:21 PM
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@ totoalas:
Looks like a nice set up, that lights the leds much more economically than with normal power.
Can you tell us something about what your Exciter coils are like, and any other components used.

Here is the link to gbluer's latest videos, there are several of them.
I am glad to see him back in action. Slayer also has a take off on Dr. Stiffler's infinity light, on another video. He has very low input current used to light his bulbs, and sometimes to charge another battery as well.
Please have a look:
Exciter Transistor Mod Update - YouTube

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Old 02-01-2013, 12:25 AM
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Hi nickz
Ur right same video schematics slayer transistor mod
L3 is wrapped around L1 counter clockwise one third of 20 iches L1
Start to ground and output of L1 and L3 to dc led

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Old 02-01-2013, 12:39 AM
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Smile

Will try my nils 12v 1ma on led bulbs with this circuit
Fot solat ome fpr each lamp and one booster for each panel
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:28 PM
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Although a low current circuit is nice for an "Infinity Light" type of set up, the important thing is to make some real useable amount of light.
I will try Slayers newest two transistor circuit, soon. I don't have any 2n2222 transistors anymore, they are really the best for this purpose, other transistors will work, but not as well.
Slayer has come up with some of the most economical circuits so far, that output the most amount of light. His big Exciter coil is really where the gain comes from. To light a 2 watt gutted Ac Led bulbs to full brightness on less than 30mAs is pretty amazing. Especially when using the single AA battery.
My point is to obtain useable light, but not only from small batteries, but also from solar panels joined in series at 12, 24, or 36 volts. Although current levels are much more important than voltage levels.
The Lasersaber type of E-core transformer, or similar coil circuit that was made by Slayer is not spewing RF all over the place. Nor do the circuits that are "closed circuits", with their secondary coils not being open ended.
I don't think that having high voltage open ended Exciter circuits in ones house, is the best way to go.

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Old 02-14-2013, 01:50 PM
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Sorry people but this is why I will not be showing any more of my circuits on line.

TeslaTronix- Tesla Power For The Masses by TeslaTronix — Kickstarter

He is selling the slayer exciters, kits, and also selling my circuit diagrams.

I tried to get kickstarter to stop the project but no emails from them yet.

I tried to talk to TeslaTronix many times. His response was to F off.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:02 PM
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I would report him and comment all his Videos that he has stolen your work and try to sell it.
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:14 PM
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I did report him to kickstarter. And showed them a link to my video were I showed the circuit that was dated, signed, witnessed and used Slayer as my trade mark.
In the video you can hear me say this is for private use only not to be sold for profit or gain.

I have also left comments and so has one of my subscribers but comments are just deleted.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:14 PM
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Reported also.

Hi slayer,

I just joined Kickstarter so I could complain about Teslatronics too. I told them I had followed your work for the last few years and knew you had designed that circuit first. I haven't gotten a response yet.

Maybe if Aaron would also complain that would carry more weight as he is the moderator of this forum. I know of at least 2 other people from this forum the same thing has happened to.

Good luck,
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:23 PM
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Hi slayer,

I just joined Kickstarter so I could complain about Teslatronics too. I told them I had followed your work for the last few years and knew you had designed that circuit first. I haven't gotten a response yet.

Maybe if Aaron would also complain that would carry more weight as he is the moderator of this forum. I know of at least 2 other people from this forum the same thing has happened to.

Good luck,
Carroll
Thank you guys this is very much appreciated. Maybe if enought people do complain they will finaly do something about this.

Thank you.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:26 PM
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He's pushing nearly $12,000 in pledges

Don't worry Slayer, we all know who's circuit that is and, even though you have given it away freely for personal use, that clause is well known.
This is Plagiarism.

I too am stepping back some. Documented ideas and circuits are not given credit where credit is due. Not only my stuff of course or that would be my own insecurity, but that of others too.
Perhaps TeslaTronix didn't realise where you said it should be for personal use.
But - the phrase "loosly based off a slayer exciter circuit variant" is the key. He even admits it was your circuit and then vagues it out as though inconsequential.
Had he designed his own there would hardly be the same problem.
I have a feeling, based on my own experiences that nothing will be done.

Ya know, I don't like Kickstarter one bit after my experience with them.
There's something not ringing true with their setup. A project for my Garden Lights was rejected, I appealed and asked why (such that any corrections may be made) and got no answer.
They like completely finished professional devices, that only need advertising (the superb PengPod for example), or, random things that seemingly only they know why they like them.
They have you join Amazon with a business account, detail all about your idea, write up the Pledges, shoot a video etc and all of that takes around a week, especially for the Amazon account. Then, Reject and give no reason why.
I did call the project 'Free Energy Garden Lights' and we all know the problem there, but could they show how the energy from soil is not free ? no solar, no batteries. The things run from water or even when held in the hand (especially the MK1 circuit, which i'll be going back to because it's more efficient).
But, in my case, I also don't have Twitter or Facebook and some people are very strange about you not giving away everything of your life.

My experience doesn't matter - your experience does - to a lot of us.
Should a guy make a buck off something he can do well ? sure.
But not when personal use only is well known and right there pointed out to Kickstarter by the actual designer !
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:42 PM
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Slayer, pm me, I'll try to help.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:49 PM
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Hmm....... is that really so easy to get money using kickstarter ? Not good if somebody is not giving the credit to the inventor , however what did you expected ? this world is going down....

I wonder what someone could get for self-running circuit
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:52 PM
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Thumbs down What a shame

@slayer;
For those of us who have only been participating in the last couple of years, months, or days – the Slayer Exciter is as famous as the Bedini SSG, or the Big Clive Joule Thief. It is so unfortunate when the money grab starts and the originators and innovators sour and turn off the show. For a lot of us replicators, you guys are our heroes and open our minds to the great many possibilities within each of us. 3 years ago, I would not have dreamed that I could make a Joule Thief, a Slider Blocking Oscillator, a Lidmotor Penny Circuit, or many of the other things I have already built. The Slayer Exciter is a definite on my to do list as well.

I have to admit though; $12,000 in 10 days is pretty impressive and speaks more to what you have done than the person attempting to peddle your build. I hope those who plagiarize for profit make tremendous profits to find later down the road that those profits would have to be given back to the originator of the product. Unlikely that will happen but you know the saying “What goes around – comes around”, and possibly that will be the case for you.

Thank you for all you have given us and hope that you will reconsider and continue to share in the future.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:49 PM
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@ Slayer:
Although it may be impossible to stop this kind of action, once someone posts a circuit or shows a video on youtube.
Rest assured that we that have been following your work for a while now, acknowledge the source of this work. YOU!
Please, don't let this stop you from continuing to show your amazing circuits. There is still much to learn... and open source is all we have to draw from, for now.
Thanks for all that you've done.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:23 PM
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Sad to hear on your decision
been a mentor friend and and guru to me
my electronic s enthusiam was powered by you
MY 20 plus coils are all ready still waiting for each new one that you make

Ive built my thread name on your builds with positive results

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Ive just spread the news on in the IAEC and OU so everyone knows who Mighty Slayer is

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There will always be a slayer imprinted on my builds and will be better and best as always
ok builders show off your new builds with Slayer
this week end I will use the Slayer in my Energy Amplification Pt 2 In / Out going Up YT totoalas in tribute to Gbluer

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Hi folks, Hi slayer, let us try and put a little more perspective upon this scenario.
First, no one can control another, one can only truly control themselves.
Second, if one shares kindness, one does not stop sharing kindness just because another does not share this kindness as well, to stop sharing that kindness would show a disingenous kindness to begin with, or a kindness based upon conditions for the offering of that kindness.
Third, it is our feeling, that to truly share, is to truly share freely, without conditions.
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Old 02-16-2013, 01:11 AM
slayer007 slayer007 is offline
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Sorry Guys I did get a little carried away.
But I see this as just a scammer, Charging $15 for diagrams that are on the internet for free. And charging $325 for an exciter when it should cost under $25 to make.
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