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Old 11-30-2017, 11:32 AM
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I am working on the core as many of you have read before...

I have used galvanized steel small wires cut as the center core, and indeed it did reduced hysteresis heat, plus avoiding eddy currents the whole output VOLTAGE increased pretty much...however, I am still not happy with it...

I also got some rolls of 0.35 mild steel alloy wire for Mig Welders...

I am still to isolate each wire with tape (big job) and seen if there would be any difference from all contacting wires at core...then I came to realize one thing here...

Once we energize a coil wrapped around a wire steel core...we are also creating an electric field within that core (we could scope-probe that core and see it)...and so, if that core is "shorted" by being contacting electrically...then we will be shorting that generated electric field as well...wouldn't we?

And so, for a pulsed field that collapses and restarts, during the period of "lifetime ON" from that field we will be killing its generated electric field...hence lowering field capabilities.

The other part -related to core design- resumes from my post on the Continuum Thread...then I realize that an open core would be completely detrimental for field "recycling" back and forth...so, would have to work on that part and see differences.

And the issue am having is about huge voltage drops when loaded with High Amps demand loads, like a Halogen Lamp.

If I were to measure OPEN VOLTAGE (means not loaded) from anyone of the Output terminals, it will exceed Voltage Input...and so:

If I were to measure Max Surge Amperage (by shorting it with amp-meter) from that same output...I will also have MUCH HIGHER AMPERAGE than at Input.

But this is not enough to say I have OU above right?...since once loaded voltage drops too much, while amperage remains as high as load would demand, which could easily show way above input amperage.

I believe all this excessive drop is due to core design basically...as core size and geometry directly influences voltage output as well as operating Input Amperage.


This is where I am so far on this...and any input would be appreciated.


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Hi UFO,

I can only comment in terms of conventional induction. Of course the open core would mean reduced flux linkage however, it appears to be behaving in one respect like an arc welder transformer. Perhaps your coiled steel section is shunting some of the flux away from the output, once you start to draw current?

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I am working on the core as many of you have read before...

I have used galvanized steel small wires cut as the center core, and indeed it did reduced hysteresis heat, plus avoiding eddy currents the whole output VOLTAGE increased pretty much...however, I am still not happy with it...

I also got some rolls of 0.35 mild steel alloy wire for Mig Welders...

I am still to isolate each wire with tape (big job) and seen if there would be any difference from all contacting wires at core...then I came to realize one thing here...

Once we energize a coil wrapped around a wire steel core...we are also creating an electric field within that core (we could scope-probe that core and see it)...and so, if that core is "shorted" by being contacting electrically...then we will be shorting that generated electric field as well...wouldn't we?

And so, for a pulsed field that collapses and restarts, during the period of "lifetime ON" from that field we will be killing its generated electric field...hence lowering field capabilities.

The other part -related to core design- resumes from my post on the Continuum Thread...then I realize that an open core would be completely detrimental for field "recycling" back and forth...so, would have to work on that part and see differences.

And the issue am having is about huge voltage drops when loaded with High Amps demand loads, like a Halogen Lamp.

If I were to measure OPEN VOLTAGE (means not loaded) from anyone of the Output terminals, it will exceed Voltage Input...and so:

If I were to measure Max Surge Amperage (by shorting it with amp-meter) from that same output...I will also have MUCH HIGHER AMPERAGE than at Input.

But this is not enough to say I have OU above right?...since once loaded voltage drops too much, while amperage remains as high as load would demand, which could easily show way above input amperage.

I believe all this excessive drop is due to core design basically...as core size and geometry directly influences voltage output as well as operating Input Amperage.


This is where I am so far on this...and any input would be appreciated.


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Hello UFO,
Excuse me for butting in. First I agree with your previous post of test configuration of NYS, NYN etc. So there must be something else to consider.

However, the purpose of this reply is Soft Iron. John Bedini recommended Soft iron wires for his SSG. Either painted, laquered or rusty. It is easy to produce soft iron. The difficulty is obtaining a small furnace or kiln. JB had one of those. I have one too. All that is necessaryis to heat to about 1000C the wire metal - mild steel - to "Leach" the carbon out of the iron at this high temperature. It is remarkable how supple the wire become after this annealing process. I am sure that with your expertise, you would be able to determine the significance of the use of soft iron were it to be available.

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- You have to explain your joke "sea ad" to me. I'm not an english "born" person.
. . sea is not so hard

- Maybe the word "communication" was not translated properly ?

1914 patent: "pero sin que en ningún caso haya
comunicación alguna entre el devanado inducido y el devanado inductor"
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- Soft iron must have been more common in the beginning of 1900 than nowadays
But when you begin to see some indications of positive OU results from experiments (100W in 20 000W out ) then I think the choice of core material is only a way to improve the results. Principle first impovemet next!
When experimenting I think ferrite is a good choice also.

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- Soft iron must have been more common in the beginning of 1900 than nowadays
But when you begin to see some indications of positive OU results from experiments (100W in 20 000W out ) then I think the choice of core material is only a way to improve the results. Principle first impovemet next!
When experimenting I think ferrite is a good choice also.

Regards / Arne
I agree above Seaad, on the fact of changing the core material, would only "improve" a few more volts (in my case where amps are already sky high related to Input Amps) as a better response on higher frequencies accelerations.
Ferrite behaves ok with higher frequencies, not here where we are reaching top 60 hZ, besides Max Field with ferrite is not that high.

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Excuse me for butting in. First I agree with your previous post of test configuration of NYS, NYN etc. So there must be something else to consider.

However, the purpose of this reply is Soft Iron. John Bedini recommended Soft iron wires for his SSG. Either painted, laquered or rusty. It is easy to produce soft iron. The difficulty is obtaining a small furnace or kiln. JB had one of those. I have one too. All that is necessaryis to heat to about 1000C the wire metal - mild steel - to "Leach" the carbon out of the iron at this high temperature. It is remarkable how supple the wire become after this annealing process. I am sure that with your expertise, you would be able to determine the significance of the use of soft iron were it to be available.

Thanks

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Thank You Dwane,

Yes, I could anneal steel with an Oxygen-Acetylene torch, which I do have one...except my Victor oxygen gauge started leaking and now and so I will need a new one plus more gas...

Just getting a 1000C Chalk, will show whenever reaching those red hot temperatures on the wires...just have to heat it evenly, by "brushing" all the area back-forth without standing at one spot too long.

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If I should solve the Figuera OU principle I'm more or less convinced that I should not run the final unit at 50 or 60 Hz. Higer freqs gives smaller units and so on. See all apparatus today.

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I can only comment in terms of conventional induction. Of course the open core would mean reduced flux linkage however, it appears to be behaving in one respect like an arc welder transformer. Perhaps your coiled steel section is shunting some of the flux away from the output, once you start to draw current?

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Yeap, definitively true...I believe we all need to work in what I will call a "smart core" design, where we will have a "live" and not shorted electric field generated by the exciter copper wires coil once energized...but it goes beyond that...a continuous steel wire circuit which displaces along the magnetic axis,but are connected electrically between plates or wires of the core, and of course, insulated between them.

So far we have been using cores as a merely chunk of steel...whether silicon-steel, soft iron or a simple cold rolled steel rod...laminated or not...the point is going beyond that conception, as to make cores "interconnected" to allow its own electrical flow while generating the magnetic fields.

I believe even a copper strap, like we see on AC Induction Motors Stators...or a weld run like transformers have in order to keep plates together...it simply shortens their electric field or electric flow within the material.

I have done this tests which are a simple way to see the signals generated at the cores with a scope while induction is going on, and they are all different depending on core config...for example, a raw cold roll piece of iron would show a very "distorted" wave, randomly spiking and collapsing in a non organized shape...I believe this is absolutely not good, since we must realize on the cores is where everything starts from.

And am not looking to reuse that electric flow from the cores, but just "leaving it exist" while maintaining a uniformity on its Electro-Magnetical development.


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If I should solve the Figuera OU principle I'm more or less convinced that I should not run the final unit at 50 or 60 Hz. Higer freqs gives smaller units and so on. See all apparatus today.

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I believe you are wrong there Seaad...

Moving JUST the Virtual, Massless Fields through mass (iron cores-copper coils), which is the basic Figuera's principle, should work with lower frequencies, in order for the copper-steel to "catch up" with a too fast moving massless entity.

If you would have done massive experimenting with this facts (like I have done)...you would realize dialing up frequencies must be done "smoothly up" in order to allow mass materials to stay up ("digesting") that "Spiritual Entity" that could travel up to light speeds.

Edit: And then I will add...that even lower frequencies, like half of 50-60 hZ (as low as 15-20 hZ) is where I am seeing better and more robust EM Induction Output (no hysteresis, no eddy currents effect, since core is laminated). Problem here is that when loaded, Source will fluctuate higher, meaning source becomes more "sensitive" to load changes compared to higher, closer to operating speeds frequencies.

But then again, it all depends upon core design and materials used...to allow working with higher frequencies.

Bottom line is that you will get OUT whatever shape-form you are putting IN, that's the way EM Induction works...if you pulse higher freq, then you will get higher frequencies outputs...which in my opinion are not a viable and common energies which could turn on our simple machinery...or even lighting a bulb without blowing it....or simply turning on any Power Supply designed to work with 60 hZ Inputs applicable to any appliance-equipment in our daily life.

Unless you are planning to "bypass PSU's" or modify every single unit you attempt to power up...which I believe is nonsensical.


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You'r absolutly right. When it comes to SEEK the " OU EFFECT" it's probably good to start testing with low freqs. See pic! ( Iron core??? ) DC BEST! But it is maybe so that the EFFECT is present higer up too, but Clemente couldn't achieve such high freqs as we can today.

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You'r absolutly right. When it comes to SEEK the " OU EFFECT" it's probably good to start testing with low freqs. See pic! ( Iron core??? ) DC BEST!
Seaad,

I really don't see the point on keep debating about Hi-Lo Frequencies here. Got too much work to do!!!

What I am SEEKING FOR, is NOT for an OU Effect, I ALREADY have achieved that part and past through it...actually am starting to getting bored to watch that "effect" over and over...or what you are referring to as "the OU Effect" which is brought in, by moving the massless virtual field(s) back and forth or reversing them or whatever...causing a higher out than in...but that's not all!!

We need to stabilize our devices to work stable...robust and not heating up...development process as improvements come here, refinement...and sophisticated auto-controls, self running its main "heart" pumps...and I could keep going here on and on...and on.

What I am SEEKING for is to build a small, compact unit, which can offer the MAIN REQUIREMENTS for a Human being NECESSITIES to be able to survive in the middle of nowhere, a dessert land, an isolated Island...etc,etc

WITHOUT requiring to run an OIL PIPE with massive, disgusting and polluting gasoline, diesel or any other poisoning fuels.

Not even to run a weedeater man...to cut grass around the house.

That's the point.

Those MAIN SURVIVAL needs are:

1- HVAC (HEATING-VENTILATION (FANS)- AIR CONDITIONING) or Climate Control Shelter in ANY WEATHER.
2- REFRIGERATION (To keep food frozen, cold drinks, water, etc)
3-Cooking Food (just an Induction stove could do, and even make you some hot coffee...or an Infrared Oven)
4-LIGHTING (LED's would do awesome here!!)
5-MOTORING for like Pumps, Transport and tooling

The rest is just about extra appliances and tooling required to do whatever home work around...like a Water Pump.

NOW, NONE OF THE ABOVE NEEDS REQUIRES HIGH FREQUENCIES TO RUN!!!

NOW, What do you want HF Output FOR??!!


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Clemente was after INDUSTRIAL CURRENTS...And if we step in there...let me refresh some Generators properties:

1-A Typical TWO POLE HOUSE Generator, will run at 3600 RPM's or 60 hZ, For Europe and other Countries will just do it with 50hZ or 3000 RPM's (LESS)

1A-EXCITATION:These types requires like a 10% Exciting Field oF its total output...so, say it is a 5000W, it just needs like 500W for exciter field to run it FULL BLAST.

2- A FOUR POLE -AND UP- THREE PHASE Generator, Considered within the INDUSTRIAL GRADE will just require 1800 RPM's or like 30hZ!!...And will Output much wattage than the Single Phase.

2A-EXCITATION: Here the more the output, as the greater the Unit...the LESS POWER is required for the Exciter Fields to run units, reducing up to like 2%!!

So, it seems as we "scale up" to Industrial levels we actually need less mechanical power or lower frequencies PLUS Lower Power to Run the Exciting Fields, while achieving higher Energy Outputs...

For a House to fully run, we need one two phase 240V and like 25 A (for all 240, like stoves, water heater, Central AC Units, etc) ...and 120V and like 50A (for all 120 requirement, lights, smaller house appliances, etc)...and that's having all requirements covered...totaling like 15 to 20 Kw

Let's be real here...not just dreaming about things that are definitively not needed for now friend!!

The "OU Effect" will NOT GROW (Duplicate, triplicate, Multiply etc,etc) based on HF for the reasons I have explained before.

The Massless Field(s) can easily afford to move at very Higher Frequencies, no problem with that...BUT NOT THE CAPTURING SIDE which is made of REAL SOLID MASS of Copper and Iron...that simple...AND I am NOT saying in a near future we would not be able to achieve such conditions...on the contrary, we for sure would be able to...BUT:

FOR NOW I like to develop REAL POSSIBILITIES, with REAL Operating frequencies which can make work-run the requirements WE ALL NEED First.

Then we will move on...and on and on...

A Step at a Time Seaad...remember you first learned how to stand up...then to walk slowly, falling sometimes...until you were able to walk steady...then learned to run at higher speeds...but that took years to achieve didn't it?...while falling many times on the process, right?

Well...same here...


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Hello All,

And I mean...Let's look at "How well suited" we are when it comes to Power Failures (basically due to Natural Causes)...and then restorations-recover times:

PUERTO RICO'S OUTAGES, THE LARGEST IN US HISTORY


Small Island of Puerto Rico was hit by a cat 4 Hurricane "Maria"...about three months ago...

All the old infrastructure of old wooden poles...plus old transformers and insulators, plus cables, etc,etc...brought the Island to Darkness...up to now.

How many people (entire families) have died with just these two or three natural disasters all over the damaged areas because of the Hydrocarbons inhaled due to lack of knowledge about the way House Generators are COMPLETELY LETHAL to be operating Indoors OR EVEN OUTDOORS but with the wrong ventilation set up?

Are we talking about a "Third World" Country Disaster here??...NOPE!!

We are talking about TEXAS, FLORIDA AND PUERTO RICO (A US "INDEPENDENT" STATE)...Meaning A WELL DEVELOPED COUNTRY...like US.

But still, we have power difficulties with the farting machines...plus the way we transmit energy through old cables and wooden poles, just like the way was done in the 1800's times of the Edison-Morgan Wood Poles and cables wired all around...

Isn't all this situation ridiculous?


I am completely sure it is.

Sorry about the rant...its just about my "Politics" side...


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I'm glad to hear that you now get more output power than input power, but also sad that you have been tired of watching it happen.

To make the construction work more stable and suitable I'm sure we all her on the forum can help you with that. Just put a question. Certainly can I and several skilled people here, more skilled than me, help you with that.

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And of course i don't want HF (high frequencies) as output power. Let the free energy process, OU, generate free energy at high frequencies IF that gives the best results. Then convert the free energy down to 40 ,60 Hz with wanted voltage and with differet phases if requested.

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2- A FOUR POLE -AND UP- THREE PHASE Generator, Considered within the INDUSTRIAL GRADE will just require 1800 RPM's or like 30hZ!!...And will Output much wattage than the Single Phase.

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Hi Ufo,

Four pole, 1800RPM generators run at 60Hz. Or 50Hz at 1500RPM.

Frequency in Hz = RPM * # of pole pairs / 60.

The number of phases does not enter into the speed-frequency relationship.

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Four pole, 1800RPM generators run at 60Hz. Or 50Hz at 1500RPM.

Frequency in Hz = RPM * # of pole pairs / 60.

The number of phases does not enter into the speed-frequency relationship.

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My apologies, You are entirely right Bistander.

Yeap, referring basically to speed (mech power) reduced to half with four poles, not frequency.

The Four Poles divide the 360º in four, or 90º each, therefore 1/2 cycle or 180º comprehend two poles, so 60 Hz in a full cycle of all 4...


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- Soft iron must have been more common in the beginning of 1900 than nowadays
But when you begin to see some indications of positive OU results from experiments (100W in 20 000W out ) then I think the choice of core material is only a way to improve the results. Principle first impovemet next!
When experimenting I think ferrite is a good choice also.

Regards / Arne
Hi seaad,
I make the point regarding the soft iron due to John Bedini referencing it and Figueras referencing it. I concur that soft iron, and especially soft iron wire, would have been more readily available in the late 19th to the early 20th centuries. It is still possible to get soft iron Baling wire here, although it is not thin!

When replications of old technologies are attempted, and failure occurs, it is generally the case that "New" technologies are substituted to "improve" the chances of success. Occasionally that works and often it does not. As Figueras apparently had a working unit using soft iron - fine wires? - there is something in his method that even modern technology is unable to demonstrate a working replication.

Thanks for your comments.

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Thank You Dwane,

Yes, I could anneal steel with an Oxygen-Acetylene torch, which I do have one...except my Victor oxygen gauge started leaking and now and so I will need a new one plus more gas...

Just getting a 1000C Chalk, will show whenever reaching those red hot temperatures on the wires...just have to heat it evenly, by "brushing" all the area back-forth without standing at one spot too long.

Thanks


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Hi UFO,
Actually, it is better to anneal the mild steel wire in coils! Then un roll and stretch with a wire strainer. The annealing process distorts the wire. And, I think you have clarified the use of soft iron with your acknowledgement of Figueras operation.

On the "Global" issues you mention, might I also include refugee camps? Those islands of desperate souls whose only crime appears to be one of "Being different"!

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Actually, it is better to anneal the mild steel wire in coils! Then un roll and stretch with a wire strainer. The annealing process distorts the wire. And, I think you have clarified the use of soft iron with your acknowledgement of Figueras operation.
You're right Dwane, thanks!...much better to anneal on a whole coil

However, am still trying to "render" in my mind how the domains shifts under polarization's reversals... and so, which geometry is better suited to "house" those shifts in the smoothest way possible...don't know if you could follow me here...but will try to simply represent it with letters:

Say we have position 1 at a Core, which is a N-S arrangement.
And so reversing 1 (to -1) we would have: S-N

Dielectric Field also shifts 180º (center) here, but radically (abruptly)

Fields "fade" (collapse) Inwards towards Center of Core...as they (fields) also open up (starts) from core center...

With all that in mind...imagine it...

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Sure friend, include them all!!


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I'm glad to hear that you now get more output power than input power, but also sad that you have been tired of watching it happen.

To make the construction work more stable and suitable I'm sure we all her on the forum can help you with that. Just put a question. Certainly can I and several skilled people here, more skilled than me, help you with that.
I do, but am not happy still...want more robust (no V Drops) while heavily loaded at Main Output.

I am also self running the small driver motor with just three layers (16 awg) of what MM used to call a "Second Secondary"......and still am only using like 0.7A when that secondary carries like 3 Amps...but have to diode DC it with a 24V bridge...also this is not an important deal here...many of you could think it is...I don't, these devices allows many output coils...and all you need is the right number of turns plus right gauge to obtain any output you need.

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And of course i don't want HF (high frequencies) as output power. Let the free energy process, OU, generate free energy at high frequencies IF that gives the best results. Then convert the free energy down to 40 ,60 Hz with wanted voltage and with differet phases if requested.

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Ahhh!! that sounds so simple right?...but nope...I already went through that Seaad, me and many more people here, like seven years ago (2012)...for example Radiant Energy on its Natural shape is typically High Frequency, if you simply collect it from the "Backstage" of a Coil being pulsed (simple square signal) with just a couple of diodes (look at my logo image..)...Now try to store it first in order to "process it downwards"...good luck with that and please, wear goggles!!

It would blow must typical Capacitors unless specially built for those purposes...and nope, can't get them in the normal shopping windows...

And yeah, thanks!...I know you are pretty well skilled in the art...


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Can you provide some test results showing the OU you have achieved (DC out measurement)?

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Can you provide some test results showing the OU you have achieved (DC out measurement)?

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Sure L192, I am trying to get everything back together as I had it apart because I was working on new core config...but no problems at all with that, I even took off al gator clips and made clean plug-in connections...

Except, the only problem I am having right now is with the Input DC Meter (the ones which shows everything ( V+A+W+Ah) on screen that I recently bought)...maybe I am doing something wrong there, but it does read Input from Linear PSU, except when I connect the Load terminals from meter to the Exciter Coil it shorts out and everything collapses.

I have tried installing Meter Load terminals in series between Coil-Cap (which are in Parallel between them) and it also shortens the whole thing, meaning turns off meters, plus Induction collapses. And of course it does it when I connect in parallel as well...which I tried originally...

What I believe is that since we have the "load" as the exciter coil + AC Cap (in parallel) as an AC (Reversed) signal, the meter is shorting out because it is not a DC Linear Amperage...

I will try putting together a simple diagram showing my connections...and the same Meter at Output from AC to DC Bridge works beautiful!!

Any suggestions?


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What I believe is that since we have the "load" as the exciter coil + AC Cap (in parallel) as an AC (Reversed) signal, the meter is shorting out because it is not a DC Linear Amperage...

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Yes, that is what is happening...CAN NOT read DC Amps from Input based on the Exciter Circuit considered as "the load", it only read Amperage as AC Amps from Exciter as by my EXTECH meters.

Only other thing I can think off...is to read V&A directly from the PSU Terminals only, which Input to Rotary Switch...so +/- to be connected as Input to meter, then series off either terminals try reading DC Amps and connected as the "load" to same Multi-Meter.

Will try that and see if it works.


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Hello Guys,

I've got it...actually it was simpler than I thought...

Output from PSU (DC) to Input of Meter (+/-)

Then "the load" from meter would be the +/- from the reversing switch TERMINALS...had to brake (disconnect) their original connections from PSU...And so, DID NOT have to get involved -AT ALL- with switch output which is an Alternated DC to the Exciter coil plus AC Cap circuit.

I will be showing some results in the beginning of next week.

Nice weekend to All!!


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Hi Ufopolitics:
Back to your radiant energy, there was a russian company in the 2006 alleguedly having a radiant energy generator, we can see a little inside:
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would mercury work as a core material? electricity flows through it effortlessly? sorry to interject for i post seldomly.
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https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=388

""At room temperature, the element mercury is not very magnetic at all. It has a very small, negative magnetic susceptibility, meaning that when you put mercury in a magnetic field, it magnetizes just a little tiny bit in the opposite direction. We say that mercury is a weakly diamagnetic substance at room temperature. ""

How did mercury come to your mind? How to use it Here?

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Thanks Onewsun,

It should be very interesting to run a "Liquid Mercury Core" on this set up...lowering temperatures below 4 Kelvin to achieve the right magnetization levels.

It really don't matter for a CONSTANT REVERSING Field Switching set, to have a Diamagnetic Material that works Opposite to Exciters Field Direction, it will still have to reverse, and actually I believe it would be even better because the output Coils would be responding to core changes which are opposite to direct excitement, therefore, loads responses would not be directly reacting to the excitation sequences, but to the core changes.

Above means that our Input would be even more ISOLATED from the Reaction caused by loads at Output.

Besides a Liquid Core could also be made of ferromagnetic powder diluted in a fast responsive liquid (not too viscous, not too thick) just like water mixed with some silicon or other light lubricant...This reactive movements -Due to Reversal Shifting- would give us a GEOMETRY OF DISPLACEMENT while being switched to Field reversals...this could help on achieving the right shape on a solid core geometry.

I did this ferromagnetic powder (also added some aluminum dust) with water+oil on a glass tube (replacing the solid iron core) to test my Repulsion Generator Demonstration...in order to establish differences between Attraction versus Repulsion Fields...and the PATTERNS for both Fields were completely different, which helped me to explain my positive results.

There is so much to be tested here...until finding the perfect choice....that denying ANY Possibility is DEFINITIVELY, the WRONG APPROACH!!


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seead i thought of it as i have been trying to replicate tesla's patent 583953 for several years and i believe figurea may have used this patent as a basis for his invention. tesla used mercury for switches in some of his patents and schanunburger (sp) used it in his electric motors to power aircraft for the german govt during world war II--also a british scientist used it for his electric aircraft that supposedly took off and escaped earths atmosphere and lastly in the vedic texts mercury was used to help power vimanas--unless my memory fails me--so i know mercury is a perfect holder of electricty with no losses and i thought it might stop the hysterisis (sp) that ufo experienced with a solid metal core. there is a tale that the germans sent a submarine to japan that was lost in or around indonesia with gold but more importantly with several tons of mercury to help the japanese with the advanced crafts that the germans were reported to be developing--could be nonsense but sometimes a kernel of truth is hidden in tales. sorry to run to such length. by the way the switch in tesla's patent is very similar to the one figurea mentions--but ufo's switch is downright ingenious! thank you for the question. have a great day! onewsun
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Yes I agree there are similarities between the two patents except for the capacitors and claim/ possibilities of over unity in the Figuera pat.. Maybe some capacitors are integrated in the coils [flat wire] in Figura pat's. . .As UFO observed; nothining is described about the build of coils exept they can in this case also have a cubic form.

About commutators they have all the same principle but UFO:s twist is maybe unique.

Mercury is/ was used as wetted connection points in relays. And in olden days; Mercury was sealed within rocking glass capsules acting as transfer substance between up standing electrical poles (On- Off).

But as you say " a perfect holder of electricty with no losses " I can't agree to, when it comes to electikal performanses. As copper has a resisitivity of 1.72 Ohm x squ.mm / m and mercury =95.8 !!
But you maybe relates to the magnetic and "core"- specific characteristics only? About that; I know nothing! And a 4 Kelvin temperature is nothing for me
(and Clemente 1908) anyhow, as UFO mentions.


About to use or not use mercury is maybe not relevant or not needed at all as UFO wrote in post # 2620 and #2628 that he has solved the principle and achieved over unity.

Myself and anyhow Listener192 are waiting and interested to take part of the test results soon comming in from UFO.



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Myself and anyhow Listener192 are waiting and interested to take part of the test results soon coming in from UFO.


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Hello Seaad, L192 and All,

I am sorry since I wrote before I will be putting up some results in the Beginning of the Week...that time is gone by now but I am still here and working on it...

First I had problems with the meters I have ordered (the same type as the ones Luc showed on the Continuance of the 3BGS Tests, and I wrote a PM to Luc about my issues with them).

This meters don't need batteries, they take energy from the source to turn on, but they have a Voltage limit to turn on...therefore, they calculate Total Wattage(W) as Wh (Energy) results based on adding whatever they consume as well. Their differences compared with an EXTECH, $100.00 Meter, which uses a 9V Battery...is way different in Wattage results.

For example Extech was showing 9.5- 9.7 Watts -at Input- and these meters were showing 11.7 Watts, that's about a 3 Watts difference...and when dealing with not that big levels of Input, that is quite some difference.

Besides all that, their response to fast switching is very poor.

But then again, what can we expect?...they are very cheap at like $12.00 each...

So, I am going back to measure results with my old Four (4) EXTECH Meters (which was the original method that I observed my results all along) plus could go as far as 15 Amps as they could also show SURGE AMPS, by short circuiting directly to source or using a Shunt.

These meters can NOT do that (Short for Max Surge Amps), they will shut down the whole thing if shorted.

So sorry about the small delay guys...as I am also repairing my PC to upload a full video to You Tube, so you could watch the whole thing there as many times as you like plus pause it etc,etc...

Not a big deal at all, just more time to it...we will just have to do our own calculations of simple math multiplying Volts by Amps, no biggie...


Sorry for the inconvenience.



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Hi UFO,

The current meter on your HP power supply has a +/-2% accuracy. There is an output capacitor that does smooth out the current from pulsed loads, so I would expect it is showing a reasonable average. I have attached a snippet from the HP manual that talks about connecting an external capacitor for pulsed loads.
https://literature.cdn.keysight.com/....pdf?id=734358

If you place your multi-meter in the connection between the power supply and a large external capacitor, you should get a good average current reading with minimal ripple.

This combined with using a rectified and smoothed DC output, should provide a reasonable set of figures.

You have mentioned that the input/output ratio is substantial, so a little measurement error is not of too much concern, as long as measurements are DC.

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