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Hola soy hipermotor en el canal de YouTube, llevo mucho tiempo interesando e investigando sobre el dispositivo Figuera, le sigo con mucho interes desde su comienzo en esta investigación y le felicito por su buen hacer, gracias por compartir sus resultados.
Quiere decir en su último post, que descarta la última investigación que estaba llevando a cabo pulsando sobre bobinas bifiliares y vuelve a la configuración NN con resistencias, variando solo el tiempo que se mantienen en máximo y minimo?.
Gracias de nuevo y saludos desde España.

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Hola Matu y gracias,

No, ho he vuelto a la configuracion "NN" con resistencias, éstas (las resistencias) sólo las utilizé para atenuar el campo, según Figuera explicaba en la patente del 1908...o sea, imitar al campo magnético ROTANTE, que se acerca y que se aleja de las espiras generadoras de energía...este método si me funcionó, queriendo decir que produjo energía en los secundarios, pero nunca me permitió llegar a "sobreunidad", o sea salida mayor que entrada.

En estos momentos continuo usando una bobina de dos alambres (bifilar) como excitador, pero lo que estoy haciendo gracias al nuevo controlador mecánico, o interruptor rotativo que diseñé...es INVERTIR AMBOS, las Corrientes y el Voltaje de las bobinas excitadoras, esto genera campos opuestos a diferentes tiempos en cada ciclo completo de 360º.

Este método si me resulta en overunity (salida mayor que entrada) y sólo estoy pulsando un solo excitador con un solo secundario, que en realidad son varias pequeñas bobinas en serie DENTRO de la bobina excitadora (mira el diagrama que puse más arriba).

Saludos desde USA Florida.


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Hi, I'm hypermotor on the YouTube channel, I've been interested and researching on the Figuera device for a long time, I'm still very interested from the beginning in this investigation and I congratulate you for your good work, thank you for sharing your results.
It means in its last post, that it discards the last investigation that was carrying out by pressing on bifiliares coils and returns to the configuration NN with resistances, varying only the time that they are maintained in maximum and minimum ?.
Thanks again and greetings from Spain.
Hello Matu and thanks,


Nope, I have not gone back to NN config with resistors, I have used resistors just to prove figuera´s 1908 patent concepts about mimicking the ROTATING field approaches and running away from the generating coils. This method does work as getting energy on secondaries, but did not made OU.

At this time am still using bifilar coils as exciters, but instead, thanks to the new rotary switch that I have designed, am REVERSING BOTH, Currents and Voltages, therefore the Magnetic Fields at different timing within the whole 360º cycle.

This method does results in OU, and am only pulsing one set of exciter and generating coils, which are a few coils in series WITHIN the Exciter Coil (look at my previous diagram that I added before)

Greetings from US Florida


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te incluyo el diagrama debajo (including the diagram below):


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Some updates...


I have tested my new rotary switch...and guess what?...it does work excellent,and the signal when am just feeding pos-neg and probe-ground where coil terminals go...I get exactly same square inverted signal with the small space in between...very neat!!

Of course, when I connect a coil then spikes show up and down, generating an "h" up connected with an inverted "h" due to spikes on both ends.

Still having issues with PC Mobo is not recognizing USB devices after I updated to a new BIOS version...and now to erase or "downgrade" BIOS is a "project" which manufacturer software will not allow it...mobo is fried...I had to replace two El Caps which were inflated...so I got a new Mobo from INTEL (mine was ASUS)...RESULTING THAT I CAN NOT LOAD IMAGES NOR VIDEOS...until I resolve this issue...right now am using a PS2 Keyboard and mouse...as I write here, very uncomfortable!

Got to get new RAM boards where mine will not socket with new Mother Board....so I will get higher ram memory than before.

Sorry about the momentary inconvenience guys!!


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Gracias Ufopolitics,
Yo tampoco obtuve sobreunidad con la configuración NN, a bajas revoluciones si produce energía en la secundaria, pero sobre los 18 a 20 hercios comienza a bajar hasta llegar prácticamente a cero, creo que puede ser debido a que al ser la misma polaridad, el campo magnético se estabiliza y apenas sufre variación.
Comenzaré una nueva investigación con su metodo, les mantendré informados de los resultados.
Saludos
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Thanks Ufopolitics,
I also did not get overunit with the NN configuration, at low revolutions if it produces energy in the secondary, but on the 18 to 20 hertz begins to lower until reaching practically zero, I think it can be because to being the same polarity, the field stabilizes and barely changes.
I will start a new research with your method, I will keep you informed of the results.
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Gracias Ufopolitics,
Yo tampoco obtuve sobreunidad con la configuración NN, a bajas revoluciones si produce energía en la secundaria, pero sobre los 18 a 20 hercios comienza a bajar hasta llegar prácticamente a cero, creo que puede ser debido a que al ser la misma polaridad, el campo magnético se estabiliza y apenas sufre variación.
Comenzaré una nueva investigación con su metodo, les mantendré informados de los resultados.
Saludos
Matu
Un placer Matu,

El hecho de que obtengas inducción sólo en bajas frequencias (18-20 hertz) y perdiéndola a la debida frequencia operacional (50-60 Hz) es debido al "tiempo de vida" que le estás dando al Campo Magnético.

El tiempo de vida esta relacionado DIRECTAMENTE con el tiempo que mantienes encendido el campo magnético, o sea, el número de elementos barridos por la escobilla SIN RESISTENCIA ALGUNA.

Si definimos este barrido de elementos del commutador por la escobilla dentro de un ángulo, a mi me ha resultado llevándolo (o sea expandiéndolo) a los 135º para que al acelerar a las 3600 revoluciones por minuto (RPM) o sea 60 hercios en mi caso...se continue produciendo energía inducida robusta.

El Campo Magnético necesita desarrollarse COMPLETAMENTE en cada CICLO por un periodo de tiempo determinado para llegar a causar inducción en los secundarios satisfactoriamente.

En el caso de NN, el campo que esté ASCENDIENDO necesita llegar a su CLIMAX PERO, MANTENERSE AHÍ por cierto Tiempo cuando opere a Velocidad completa, o sea 50-60 Hertz.

Es por esta razón, que Figuera con resistencias FALLA, de acuerdo a su diagrama en la patente del 1908, al otorgarle MUY POCO a este tiempo de vida, debido a la señal en Pirámide. Debiese ser una señal cuadrada con un periodo que mantenga el Campo encendido más tiempo.

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Thanks Ufopolitics,
I also did not get overunit with the NN configuration, at low revolutions if it produces energy in the secondary, but on the 18 to 20 hertz begins to lower until reaching practically zero, I think it can be because to being the same polarity, the field stabilizes and barely changes.
I will start a new research with your method, I will keep you informed of the results.
regards
Matu
A pleasure Matu,

Now, the fact that you are getting induction only at low hertz (18-20) and loosing it at operational speeds (50-60 Hz) is due to the "Lifetime" you are giving to the Magnetic Field.

"Lifetime" of the Field is directly related to the ON Time, meaning, the time that your brush is sweeping a number of commutator elements WITHOUT ANY RESISTANCE.

If we define this comm elements swept by brush within an angle, to me it has worked out by expanding it to 135º, in order that when accelerating to Operating Speed of 3600 RPM´s (60 Hz) it continues generating a robust induction at secondaries.

Magnetic Field needs to FULLY DEVELOP in EVERY CYCLE for a determined time, in order to cause full induction at secondaries at Op Speeds.

In the case of the NN approach, the ASCENDING Field needs to reach its CLIMAX, BUT MUST STAY THERE for certain time under operational speeds or 50-60 Hz.

This is why Figuera's with resistors FAILS according to 1908 Patent Diagram, which causes the known "Pyramid Signal",granting TOO LITTLE ON Time to the Ascending Field. It should be a Square Signal, or the like, in order to have Field ON for a longer time.


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SOLUCIÓN; Trata eliminando TODAS las resistencias, si usas un commutador de 16 elementos como Figuera, que divide en approx 22.5º cada elemento, entonces usa Seis (6) elementos conectados ENTRE SI directamente a cada campo Norte...dejando libres solo dos elementos arriba y dos debajo que te dará 45º en cada "descanso".

Comienza con bajo voltaje y corrientes al excitador, comprobando la salida a medida que incrementas velocidad necesitarás incrementar watts (V+I) al excitador.

SOLUTION: Try taking off ALL resistors, if you have a 16 elements comm like Figuera's, which divides each element into 22.5º, then use six(6) elements jumped between them directly feeding each North Field, leaving free only Two (2) elements above and Two below, that would give you approx 45º on each idle.

Start up with low volts and currents to exciter, checking your output as you increase speed you will need to increase watts (V+I) to exciter.
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Hola a todos:
Gracias Ufo por su interés, yo también he probado algo similar, como mi colector tiene veinte delgas, he utilizado tres y dos a un lado y tres y dos al otro dos veces y si, en este caso podemos subir mucho mas los hercios hasta sesenta y mas, aunque tampoco he tenido sobreunidad, pero tenemos que tener en cuenta que la inducción es mucho menor que cuando es NN, ya que solo estamos excitando a la inducida por un lado a la vez, cuando en el otro caso es por los dos.
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Hello everyone:
Thanks Ufo for your interest, I also tried the similar, as my collector has twenty delgas, I have used three and two on one side and three and two on the other two times and if in this case we can raise much more hertz up to sixty and more, although I have not had superunidad, but we have to take into account that the induction is much smaller than when it is NN, since we are only excited the induced one side at a time, when in the other case it is for the two .
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Hello to All,

Even though I have issues with my PC USB to load pics...here are some off my cel phone, mailed to me and loaded here.

The progress of my small rotary switch:







Yeah, I wanted almost a 99% being able to screw off everything...in order to be able to replace parts easily...so below you could see the rear heat sinks attached together by 2-56 bolts to a fiberglass plate, while tapping the other side...:



I have already tested before adding heat sinks...and basically the coil terminals are the ones which get hotter.

Need to mount it on plexiglass base with rubber bumpers so no vibration at all, plus wire it.

I am in love with this little machine!!!...

Out of just the exciter coil spikes collection (which takes place at idle stage) on the small 45º arcs, I can run the cooling fan, using some regular cap bank...

Out of 2 amps input to exciter coil...I have got 10 amps on an outer coil made with house wire...when I short it with ammeter...Source don´t even notice I am shorting it...

I have found the best results with Low amperage (like 2 amps) and Higher Voltage on exciter, like 60V

Rotating brushes don't get even warm...they just jump circuits but do not retain nor conduct for sustained time.

This is the WAY to go guys!!


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Hi everyone,

Haven't posted for quite some time.
I guess this old man is getting lazy in his old age.

But here are a few things to think about.
As most here know, my control circuit was making a good magnetic
field between the two n-n poles but there was zero output from
the 'y' coil centered between those poles.

What we need to do is use our brain like Figueras did to study
the functioning of a conventional generator.
He seen that as the armature coil was moving closer to the field
coil, the magnetic field would get progressively stronger and then progressively weaker when it passed the field coil.This of course is the basic functioning of any rotating generator.So he tried to simulate this very action by using resistors to vary field strength by changing amperage levels.
Well this is all part of the intrinsic design of any rotating generator and
is the way it has to be for a rotating system.
But our system has nothing to rotate so we can vary the magnetic field
in just 2 steps instead of 8.
All the different patents are proof that progress was being made and I'm
sure the later designs had no use for 8 resistors.

So let's again use our brain to study the generator a little further.
If the armature has say, 6 coils then we have to build 6 units to approximate
the same output. I know Figueras was using 7.
Now the part that I was most interested in was the ONE way direction of all
those rotating coils. Each coil would put out a positive pulse each time it passed by the field coil.

But the magnetic field in my unit bounces back and forth in TWO directions.It goes through the 'y' coil first to make a positive pulse and then back through the 'y' coil a 2nd time to make a negative pulse.
So any induced voltage just get cancelled.

What to do?
Well I just wound the 'y' coil in bifilar and voila! I get enough voltage to
light up a small pilot lamp bulb.
I now have an indicator to tell me when I do something right or wrong.
Wake up people! there's still lots to do!
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Hi everyone,

Haven't posted for quite some time.
I guess this old man is getting lazy in his old age.

But here are a few things to think about.
As most here know, my control circuit was making a good magnetic
field between the two n-n poles but there was zero output from
the 'y' coil centered between those poles.

What we need to do is use our brain like Figueras did to study
the functioning of a conventional generator.
He seen that as the armature coil was moving closer to the field
coil, the magnetic field would get progressively stronger and then progressively weaker when it passed the field coil.This of course is the basic functioning of any rotating generator.So he tried to simulate this very action by using resistors to vary field strength by changing amperage levels.
Well this is all part of the intrinsic design of any rotating generator and
is the way it has to be for a rotating system.
But our system has nothing to rotate so we can vary the magnetic field
in just 2 steps instead of 8.

All the different patents are proof that progress was being made and I'm
sure the later designs had no use for 8 resistors.
Hello ElCheapo,

I am very glad to read that finally you've got some positive results in your set up!!

Now, above you have made a very close description about the way Figuera conceived the Generator (Dynamo) functioning...and so IMHO, with all due respect to Figuera's approach, and after replicating almost all possible combinations plus a very close mechanical driver based on one brush and 16 elements commutator, as the one he got made in Germany...I got to the following conclusions:

First, You are right about we only need TWO "TEMPOS" or two INPUTS to the exciter coils, and if we get back to the old generator, which is spinning say at 3600 Revolutions Per Minute...which means Rotor containing Exciter Coils in a SIMPLE Generator of just TWO POLES is revolving at 60 times per second, in which TWO Magnetic Alignments takes place, meaning 30 TIMES PER SECOND at N-S PLUS 30 TIMES PER SECOND at S-N, of course alternated in between...IMHO, there is absolutely NO TIME for picturing absolutely ANYTHING taking place as "progressively approaching" and "progressively moving away"... That IS SLOW MOTION!!...and these machines NEVER Operate at slow speeds!!

The way we must imagine this...is by very fast PULSES, which creates kind of FLASHES AT SECONDS RATES as above mentioned.

Secondly and HOWEVER, the MAIN part here is to realize that at this speeds of a very fast revolving ALL THE TIME ON FIELD, which means is FULLY DEVELOPED-and ready to go- IN EVERY FLASH on a TYPICAL, SIMPLE GENERATOR, Then we must give ENOUGH ON TIME to Field in order to be able to fully develop in every "flash"...MEANING, a type of "NEEDLE SPIKE" ON TIME will NOT generate absolutely NO STRONG INDUCTION.


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So let's again use our brain to study the generator a little further.
If the armature has say, 6 coils then we have to build 6 units to approximate
the same output. I know Figueras was using 7.
Now the part that I was most interested in was the ONE way direction of all
those rotating coils. Each coil would put out a positive pulse each time it passed by the field coil.

But the magnetic field in my unit bounces back and forth in TWO directions.It goes through the 'y' coil first to make a positive pulse and then back through the 'y' coil a 2nd time to make a negative pulse.
So any induced voltage just get cancelled.

What to do?
Well I just wound the 'y' coil in bifilar and voila! I get enough voltage to
light up a small pilot lamp bulb.
I now have an indicator to tell me when I do something right or wrong.
Wake up people! there's still lots to do!
Definitively we need to keep studying the very basic and SIMPLE Generator to then apply it to our Static Coils and Cores.
Success ONLY COMES THROUGH BIG TIME EXPERIMENTATION.

If you are now showing some induction, -which is great- because you went Bifilar on y...it means your exciter fields were doing their job fine, but you did not have enough turns, or enough copper to capture Induction properly.

I am beyond lighting small bulbs stage friend...I am powering up 120v AC Machinery like Big Fans, drills and electric saws...

Glad to see you are still working on Figuera's, plus now you are having positive results!!...


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Hi UFO,

I somehow knew that you'd be the first to respond to my post.
Even though we don't always agree on things I think we both enjoy
experimenting in technical things.

Sorry if I used the wrong word "progressively". No of course there is no
"Slow motion" involved, I simply wanted to imply that the changing magnetic
field between armature and stator wasn't instantaneous but varied up & down like a sine wave.

The strange thing about my system right now is this.
I start off pulsing the 2 coils in unison using 2 amps & 6 amps so that
total current flow stays at 8 amps, but the bulb only lights up when the
frequency is set to 350 hz. But get this. As I'm varying the frequency to
get the bulb to light, the total current drops down to 1 amp when that little
bulb is at maximum brightness!! (bulb is only 6volt .25amp)

Haven't done any more on the thing yet but I highly suspect that resonance
has much to do with it. I'll know more when I check the resonant frequency
of my 2 solenoids. I do know that when reading about all the free energy devices resonance is very important.
My present circuit is quite simple and uses just one logic chip that is
either on or off. No more counter ic's or opto-couplers.

WOW! Your system is really doing great if you can run all those things
at 115v. How much input power are you using?
That rotary switch looks very complex in using both slip rings & a commutator.
I can understand one or the other, but not both at the same time.
Is that cap just there to delay the spacing between pulses?
What's the purpose of that iron ribbon coil?
Oh well, guess I'll just have to study it more to get to understand it.

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Hi UFO,

I somehow knew that you'd be the first to respond to my post.
Even though we don't always agree on things I think we both enjoy
experimenting in technical things.

Sorry if I used the wrong word "progressively". No of course there is no
"Slow motion" involved, I simply wanted to imply that the changing magnetic
field between armature and stator wasn't instantaneous but varied up & down like a sine wave.

The strange thing about my system right now is this.
I start off pulsing the 2 coils in unison using 2 amps & 6 amps so that
total current flow stays at 8 amps, but the bulb only lights up when the
frequency is set to 350 hz. But get this. As I'm varying the frequency to
get the bulb to light, the total current drops down to 1 amp when that little
bulb is at maximum brightness!! (bulb is only 6volt .25amp)

Haven't done any more on the thing yet but I highly suspect that resonance
has much to do with it. I'll know more when I check the resonant frequency
of my 2 solenoids. I do know that when reading about all the free energy devices resonance is very important.
My present circuit is quite simple and uses just one logic chip that is
either on or off. No more counter ic's or opto-couplers.
Hello ElCheapo,

Yes, guess you and I are more likely all is left here building up...maybe some more in the background...

You don't need that much high freq, basically very low numbers should work, not even above 60 hertz.

What I believe is going on in your case, is that Induction is taking away currents from your exciters, hence reducing your input power, even though the bulb is of so low currents, still it closes the circuit on y...I have learned so MUCH on this whole deal friend!!...see, there is a "magnetic connection" (yes, could call it MAGNETIC RESONANCE) established between exciter-induced coils, once output coils are closed by ANY load, then Input starts decreasing gradually.




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WOW! Your system is really doing great if you can run all those things
at 115v. How much input power are you using?
That rotary switch looks very complex in using both slip rings & a commutator.
I can understand one or the other, but not both at the same time.
Is that cap just there to delay the spacing between pulses?
What's the purpose of that iron ribbon coil?
Oh well, guess I'll just have to study it more to get to understand it.

Regards

Elcheapo
I just need Input to be around 50-60V and like 2 Amps...

Rotary switch is not that complex at all, actually it is a result from my previous one based on Figuera's with just one brush and 16 elements comm. Actually yes, it is a mix of slip rings and commutation, but brushes are riding steady on 135ºX2=270º degrees of ON TIME, to allow fields to develop enough.

I do commutation at 45ºX2=90º just to discharge coils before entering new reversal shift, then store those spikes in a cap bank, they have very low amps, just enough to power the cooling fan and an LED as power monitor, this small output is completely separated from the Induction process, therefore not affected by it.

Exciter Coil runs on a 40uF AC Cap all the time, this takes away arcing plus increases exciting reversals as we rise to operating speed.

Forget ribbon coil...with this new way, best results takes place when core is split with a small magnetic gap at the very center of exciter coil.

Well, yeah, you know most of this tools uses low AC amps and higher voltages, like 120V and 0.8 A at idle running, now when we start putting a mechanical load, like drilling, cutting, etc...then they rise amps...while input don´t even feel it...

And that was taking the output directly from output coils...before reaching the AC to DC Bridge to take measurements from both in DC readings.


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@ElCheapo,

Forgot to suggest one small change in your coils setup...if you could do it with minor changes.

Take your your y coil off then get the two exciters coils and cores and approach them without touching iron to iron, could use a small rubber damper as gap and Idk if you have bolts on them, which would be ideal to prevent high vibrations, this gap is approx around 5 mm.

Then wrap your y coil ABOVE and around BOTH Exciters LENGTH, trying to reach both ends...normal winding, back and forth layers.

Then test it...


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You don't need that much high freq, basically very low numbers should work, not even above 60 hertz."
That's right. C.F. might have been using only 25hz. But just keep in mind.....
The higher the frequency the higher is efficiency.

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What I believe is going on in your case, is that Induction is taking away currents from your exciters"
Isn't that good? Current goes down while output to load goes up.
In both cases resonance is responsible. parallel resonance means high impedance so current WILL go down.
If you are striving for a self-sustaining system then you certainly want to have as low a power input as possible.

Now that I know that it works the small "y" coil will have many more turns added and my straight cores replaced with 2 fully wound "C" sections facing
each other for much better "B" field and with 2 "y" coils.
I have umpteen things I'd like to try but it all takes time.


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Take your your y coil off then get the two exciters coils and cores and approach them without touching iron to iron, could use a small rubber damper as gap and Idk if you have bolts on them, which would be ideal to prevent high vibrations, this gap is approx around 5 mm.

Then wrap your y coil ABOVE and around BOTH Exciters LENGTH, trying to reach both ends...normal winding, back and forth layers.
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I'm sure I'd get a much higher output by doing this.
But in my opinion that is just a transformer.
That "y" coil has to be completely divorced from the exciting coils emf. It's only the changing MAGNETIC fields between the 2 poles that can communicate with the "y" coil.
So no, I have many other better things to try. Thanks anyway.

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That's right. C.F. might have been using only 25hz. But just keep in mind.....
The higher the frequency the higher is efficiency.
Hello ElCheapo,

Yes, that's right, and as a matter of fact, I am getting full induction at around 2600 RPM's...that's somewhere around 40 Hz, it is easy to note that if you increase speed, we start decreasing induced power.

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Isn't that good? Current goes down while output to load goes up.
Not necessarily it is "a good sign" that Input Currents go down when output is loaded...the ideal device would be the one where currents drops are minimal while output delivers HIGHER Amperage than Input.

See, the "INCREASE OF THE RATIO OF CHANGE" from the exciter Magnetic Field, should be the ONLY reason that increases Output Currents (and Voltage as well)...while Input Currents remains stable.

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In both cases resonance is responsible. parallel resonance means high impedance so current WILL go down.
If you are striving for a self-sustaining system then you certainly want to have as low a power input as possible.
Correct.

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Now that I know that it works the small "y" coil will have many more turns added and my straight cores replaced with 2 fully wound "C" sections facing each other for much better "B" field and with 2 "y" coils.
I have umpteen things I'd like to try but it all takes time.
Definitively by increasing number of turns will increase output...HOWEVER, depending on the wire gauge (awg) you are working on at Output Coil "y", by increasing #turns your output currents would decrease and voltage would increase...

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I'm sure I'd get a much higher output by doing this.
But in my opinion that is just a transformer.
That "y" coil has to be completely divorced from the exciting coils emf. It's only the changing MAGNETIC fields between the 2 poles that can communicate with the "y" coil.
So no, I have many other better things to try. Thanks anyway.

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I highly disagree that it is "Transformer Effect", and am sure you know transformer basics...where the MAIN FLUX TRANSFER travels through a CLOSED CORE, while the FLUX LOSSES are located at the surrounding SPATIAL AREA around Coils.

In our case, we have a straight cylinder (or square cross section) LINEAR CORE, with Infinite Air Gap...and so, if we reconsider our geometry, we are using basically those supposed to be SPATIAL LOSSES to generate an EMF induction.

Remember Cook's Patent?...it is exactly an open straight core with secondary wrapped above exciters...

The "Side to Side" Induction with an air gap between is a plain and simple result or consequence from the mechanical rotating -Two Parts- generators structure
. And it is MUCH weaker than capturing the Rate of Change right from the aligned, CENTER of any electromagnet generating a Magnetic Field...they just can not afford to also rotate the generating field-coils...and having no static parts, because simply, it won't work...besides the similarities to the Homopolar Generator or the "N-Machine" from DePalma...


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Hello,

Besides reaching OU...with our systems we will have other "anomalies" (that I actually see them as "goodies") which comes with the "territory" of NOT FORCING MECHANICALLY an EMF Induction...

First, and I consider it as essential....is the fact that when we SHORT OUT our Output Coils to measure FULL AMPERAGE...Voltage DO NOT drop to Zero, but remains at Positive Values.

Second, when connecting whether a DC or AC Motor (whether at DC Diode filtered Output or Pure AC Out terminals) And mechanically loading it...Input Currents drops are minimal, as also this drops only last seconds till they return to previous operating levels, I believe these are Lenz manifestations which can't keep long due to a NON PHYSICAL Field super fast moving rates through Mass...

At either of above situations, output coils NEVER rise not even one degree of temperature, while exciters keep operating at normal temperatures (warm).

If we do ANY of the above tests on ANY Rotary Generator, Voltage will drop to Zero...PLUS, if we keep shorting for too long...we will burn crispy (well done ) our generator coils...and possibly our Amperage Meters will fry as well...while the ICE farting machine will start coughing to get to a final stall...

What really gets hot is our Iron Cores, which I believe is due to the very fast rate of changes in their ferromagnetic polarities orientations at molecular-atomic levels...or maybe the so called Eddy Currents....or Joules heating...which I would be testing laminated cores to see if this higher temp decrease...if not, then Heat Sink end Plates of Aluminum would do the job...and maybe a couple of cooling fans....

Who cares?...after all we have a lot of extra energy to spend right?...


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couple of questions for my dense brain

I have been doing some magnetic tests on a small primary coil wound the way you showed.
It reminds me of a dual wound solenoid and makes me wonder if there would be any advantage in having the core being able to slide back and forth?
Also I am unclear about the best way of winding the output coil as your video shows what looks to be a single coil. Your drawings show a series of coils. But I wonder if it should be wound like the primary coil.
Obviously we have moved beyond the original patents.
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I have been doing some magnetic tests on a small primary coil wound the way you showed.
It reminds me of a dual wound solenoid and makes me wonder if there would be any advantage in having the core being able to slide back and forth?
Hello Zardox, Hello to All,

Nope, there is absolutely NOTHING to be moved related to Cores or Coils.
what we are moving here is the virtual Magnetic Field while cores are completely static...actually that was the main idea on Original Patent.

If you try to pull core while system is operating, besides the suction force you will feel, you will note an alteration on the output which directly relates to a voltage decrease, while input amperage will drop as well.

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Also I am unclear about the best way of winding the output coil as your video shows what looks to be a single coil. Your drawings show a series of coils. But I wonder if it should be wound like the primary coil.
Obviously we have moved beyond the original patents.
This has been an Evolving Process from Original Patent...and so I have discovered there are no need for resistors...as it would take a simple square wave from the single positive brush (old Figuera's driver) where I tried many different TIMES ON adjustments till I found the right ANGLE where brush should be Turning ON Coils ...NOW, by pulsing TWO Exciters Coils with positive brush apart by 180º, it will DECREASE Induction, HOWEVER, if we REVERSE Coils Input Voltage it will show it DOES INDUCE BOTH WAYS...so I developed this new signal where I am REVERSING ALTERNATIVELY the Input Voltage Polarities to Exciter coils...and yes, it does work as it Increases Output considerably.

You actually could wind it any way you prefer as a test mode, a simple, back and forth wind ascending in layers will do perfectly well for BOTH, Primaries and Secondaries.

When I used the single brush driver, square wave, just one side, I wound it bifilar and I was creating an Image (Mirror) meaning OPPOSITE SPINS of the field with an LC Tank on the second wire...it works as well...but OU was not that much of a difference above Input, here I tested several different options in windings without much difference which will create doubts and a war of measurements...so I disregarded this method and kept on developing.

Now, it is a very LOUD and CLEAR difference, as there is a huge gain on Amperage and Voltage versus Input Power (V+A)

In my conclusion after all this development is that by pulsing with a single brush, always positive, I have realized we are only "pumping" energy out in a Half Cycle, which can not develop to greater outputs over input. Or in much simpler words...Figuera's "pumps" fields ONLY N-N, while it should be half cycle N-N and other S-S, so you get a closer idea.

At this time I only have ONE Exciter Coil which Pumps N-S in a half cycle, then S-N in the following cycle. Now when I have said TWO exciters, at cycle 1 Exciter 1 would be N-S & Exciter 2 would be S-N, now set them facing each others with "y" in between and we have:

Cycle1= N-S(Y)S-N

Then

Cycle2= S-N(Y)N-S

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Besides I have TWO more secondaries wound above and inside Each Exciter Coil (not shown above). So in the above arrangement I will have a total of FIVE (5) Secondaries with only TWO Exciters.

Hope this helped you somehow, sorry for long post, but this is for others as well, building the Figuera Generator...


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What is your measured power in to power out ratio, with the setup you have reported OU on?

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What is your measured power in to power out ratio, with the setup you have reported OU on?

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Hello Listener,

Btw, I wanted to thank you for your suggestion previously about connecting the AC Cap at all times with Exciter Coil(s)...It really enhances Induction!!

The Power Input I try to keep it steady around same numbers, which is around 50-60 Volts and from 1.0 to 2.0 Amps, that's from 50W to 120W.

Now related to Output I have tested MANY different output coils configurations...some give me MUCH higher Amperage, like from 7 to 10 Amps, but lower Voltages like 25 to 36 Volts, while others, the ones I have run AC Tools with, it gives me 115-120 V and like 1.5 to 2.0 Amps.

I am still not happy with the Exciter coil configuration, so I am going to change its geometry a bit without changing wire length or gauge, in order to keep using same Input. As I am VERY SURE, I could extract MUCH MORE Energy when Exciting configuration have the right Dynamic-Response to Higher switching ratios.

The System reuses the spikes from exciter at swapping-reversing times two times per cycle, which I store in a typical DC Cap Bank (10 Caps 100V/1000UF) to avoid arcing in those stages and power up the cooling fans to keep energy flowing...this extra energy is not counted to measure OU, as well as the switch motor takes around 18-20V and like 700 milliamps, not counted either as losses.

I could try to Loop System with switch motor, but then I will need a controller to adjust speed and right now I don't want to complicate things till I am happy with main system.

I have a small bank of Four (4) Ultra Caps (12V/1 Farad) and recovered-processed spikes does charge them as system runs, completely independent from main Input-Output while running fans (2), now, if I increase this Ultra Cap bank, I easily could also run the switch motor, which is what am looking forward to do in a future.


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Hi UFO,

Your input is DC so that makes power in easy to calculate.

Is the output a sinewave , i.e. can you just use AC meters to measure V & A?


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Your input is DC so that makes power in easy to calculate.
Yes, however, remember the rotary switch driver converts it to what I call an "Alternate DC" or "ADC"...

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Is the output a sinewave , i.e. can you just use AC meters to measure V & A?
Kind off but not exactly a smooth sinewave...NOT just like AC from the wall outlet...actually it is an exact "copy" of my reversed ADC Signal to Exciter...take a look:



Yellow Chanel is Input
Blue Chanel is Output from Inner Coil.

Now the whole set up is shown below, I have TWO Output coils, one on the INNER side closer to center core, which is 14 gauge and like seven layers all wound along cylinder core, same length as exciter.

The Second Output Coil is the Outer one (green-white) made out of house wire awg 12, (We could afford to use this wire since it does NOT get hot at all) but, very bulky due to insulation and it does NOT extends all along cylinder as you could see:



This Outer Coil is feeding the 12V Halogen 40W Incandescent Lamp with DC, after passing the Diode Rectifying Bridge (Black Box with Heat sink at Left), and meters on Left are showing V (6.87VDC) after fully lighting the bulb, which is consuming 2.78 Amps DC.

The Inner Output Coil is just connected to Blue Chanel Probe and no load added...it outputs around 80V and like 2.0 amps.


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Your input is DC so that makes power in easy to calculate.

Is the output a sinewave , i.e. can you just use AC meters to measure V & A?


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Sorry but my PC (still with old mother boeard is slowing down by the minute...it cost me a lot of work just to download these images...

Ok, (about your last question) yes, we could measure AC Out with regular meters, before diode bridge...as, like I wrote before, I can power ANY AC Tool running excellent.

Now, pleaseallow me to finish showing rest of Images...

Input is shown below from my Linear PSU...



Is set to 50V and not reaching 2.0A (a bit less)

On the right hand is the low voltage side with four ultra caps and driver...:



On next image (Next Post) I will show what happens when I short Bulb...


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Hello again Listener,

Now watch what happens when I short the halogen lamp fed by outer coil, (in order that Amp meter reads Max Surge Amps) ...still same meters reading VDC and Amps DC on left...



Exactly what I was writing before...First, volts NEVER drops to Zero...here is showing 863 millivolts (almost one (1) volt).

But look at DC Amps...Yes, that's right...exactly 8.05 Amps after passing diode bridge losses (of course AC Amps would be more than that)

Then look in the background to Scope...the signal (from Inner Output Coil) is still there, a bit shortened, but is there.

What do you think so far?...


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Hi UFO,

Any protracted development effort like this, is interesting.

So your DC power supply is showing lets say 50V @ 1.9A = 99W

Your outer output coil although interesting, when shorted, was only showing
6.78V @ 2.78A =18.8W when loaded

I don't know if your inner output coil was loaded for this test also.

The inner coil is the more interesting one, as you said this was capable of supplying 80V @ 2A. Without a math function on a digital scope used with a current clamp, it would be difficult to be sure about the power of that square/spikey alternating waveform.

If you get the time, can you rectify this output, smooth it with a cap and load the output then see the maximum DC power you can pull versus the DC input?

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Any protracted development effort like this, is interesting.
Thanks L192.

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So your DC power supply is showing lets say 50V @ 1.9A = 99W
Could round it up to 100W for easier comparatives, Input linear PSU would either go above the 50V to reach two amps on the Meter mark...or what I did, reach 50V exact and be under two amps line...anyways this are "nickel and dimes here, like I said, round it up.

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Your outer output coil although interesting, when shorted, was only showing
6.78V @ 2.78A =18.8W when loaded
That was a 12V/40W Halogen Bulb... however, if you connect it to a 12V Battery, reading 12V before loading it, then add same meters V&A with bulb, it will show around Ten (10) something volts OR a VOLTAGE DROP of about 2V and around 3 some amps...where voltage will keep decreasing -as Amperage- as ON time passes, since battery is NOT a constant generator of energy...in the Generator there are no decrease of energy while loaded, no matter how long it is connected.

What am trying to say above is that the Voltage read while loaded is a Voltage DROP Difference (not full output voltage) after load is consuming the power. (and -of course- this is completely dependent upon the Load Characteristics, in this case we have an "Amp Hog Bulb" which takes between 3 to 4 amps to lighten up)So IMO there should be a V Read BEFORE loading it to know Full V Generated Out.

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I don't know if your inner output coil was loaded for this test also.
Nope, I wrote before Inner Output 2 was NOT loaded, but just connected to Blue Scope Channel.

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The inner coil is the more interesting one, as you said this was capable of supplying 80V @ 2A. Without a math function on a digital scope used with a current clamp, it would be difficult to be sure about the power of that square/spikey alternating waveform.
The "ideal" way each one of this Modules from this system works... is when we connect Inner-Outer Output Coils in series, which are being Induced by the same Alternating Magnetic Field...However, BOTH Coils must be "balanced", balancing meaning having exactly same number of turns, same gauge type, in order that Induction disbursement would be equal distributed between both...and we can go here as sophisticated as measuring each coil Impedance and Inductance to make sure we are as close as possible, since there is a slight difference in the thickness of each.

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If you get the time, can you rectify this output, smooth it with a cap and load the output then see the maximum DC power you can pull versus the DC input?

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When you say, "can you rectify the output", are you referring to:

1- Before diodes with AC Caps?

or

2-After Diodes with DC Caps?

In either way...which capacitance do you suggest?...I believe should be Low Capacity, in order to have real time readings and not stored over time with higher capacities right?

Just wanted to say that the Inner Coil by itself, as is, could power up a 120V AC Drill...pretty heavy duty...without altering Input Amperage...Input Voltage will drop a bit, to then recuperate back to previous measure.

But the same exact deal applies if I set an Output Coil of the same spec's (as gauge, #Turns, etc) on the Outside of the Exciting Coil.

Understand that so far?...Which means that if I connect both output coils in series, I will have a slight amperage drop, while voltage would be about doubled.

And I have not mentioned we could also add two more Output Side Coils at each ends of core...which would have power as well...


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... it would be difficult to be sure about the power of that square/spikey alternating waveform...

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I meant to comment on your "description" about that wave...it made me laugh...

Did you ever heard about the "h wave"?:



It would be good if you do some research about it...

John Bedini (RIP) produced it on his oscillators...and below are some other Thread on this Forum about it, as there is vast info on line about it:

The "h" wave form

Also on OU.com a Thread named:

KAPANADZE COUSIN-DALLY FREE ENERGY




Only thing is...those previous waves were either Positive or Negative...very rare to see them MIRRORED on both sides of the zero line...but now we have it "alternated" and very symmetrical (even pos-neg values)...


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Hi UFO,

Sure call it 100W input.

I was thinking a full wave bridge rectifier with cap(s). 500uf should even out the ripple probably at least 200V with those big spikes. 1000uf would be better.

No one can easily disagree with DC power measurements.

Increasing the value of your exciter cap would likely reduce the amplitude of the big spikes.

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Sure call it 100W input.
Deal L192...

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I was thinking a full wave bridge rectifier with cap(s). 500uf should even out the ripple probably at least 200V with those big spikes. 1000uf would be better.
I have a 10 cap bank, 1000uF, 100v...it may work....

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Ok...

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Increasing the value of your exciter cap would likely reduce the amplitude of the big spikes.

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Exciter AC Cap is 40uF 300V one of my Meccalte Generator running caps...what size increase do you think?

These Generators running AC caps are not available on local stores, the more common ones are Motor running caps, which are based on oil and all metal outside...not sure if they will work as well on this system.

I have a few 460-552 MFD 110 VAC which are Start Caps...they are too big to work well with this set up.


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Hi UFO,

I would start at to 80 to 100uf and see how much it reduces the spike by.

This should help your rotary switch live longer too.

Oil/paper caps are usually pretty durable.

I am just thinking about the DC smoothing cap you are going to try with 100V rating. It will see half peak to peak of your waveform, after the full wave bridge.

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I would start at to 80 to 100uf and see how much it reduces the spike by.

This should help your rotary switch live longer too.

Oil/paper caps are usually pretty durable.
Ok, so I will get them ordered...

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I am just thinking about the DC smoothing cap you are going to try with 100V rating. It will see half peak to peak of your waveform, after the full wave bridge.

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So it should be 200+ V rating in order to see a full peak to peak wave... right?

Just one cap would do?


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Old 10-26-2017, 03:54 PM
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Hi UFO,

Your half peak to peak amplitude looks to be about 150V, so a 200V electrolytic would work for smoothing after the bridge rectifier.

You only need one cap but the ripple that will appear on the DC when you load the DC output will slew any power measurement, so a 1000uf would not be unreasonable for 60Hz operation.

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