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Old 07-27-2017, 05:08 PM
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Talking Magnetic fields

unlike Richard Willis's device the Figueras device the fields are not distorted at all and while they are in repulsion their spin direction is in the same direction as one is increasing and the other is decreasing. the lenz law keeps the pressure between them in repulsion.
completely different set up and have nothing to do with Figueras device.
also in the Figuera device the magnetic fields reside outside the primary cores not in them.

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Uhuuu! . . My life is ruined! . . I can't anymore go on waiting and see if MM;s own overunity contraption comes true. . .
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A Slip Ring and Commutator, One Brush...

Hello to All,

I have come up with a simpler solution for the ones who are making the power rotary switch...:



On the drawing above I am just adding an outer slip ring which in the Figuera case would be connected to the positive from Source.

I am currently using 1/8 thickness copper plate and cutting it on the Lathe. But I highly recommend to use 1/4 inch, in order to be able to tap some small screw to make a solid, mechanical connection. (On the 1/8 inch I had to solder it, then epoxy).

Flat alignment with -existing- Commutator Surface is very important, so setting a provisional even gap material in between, (which would be removed after resin is still in a soft "jelly" state), and just putting both (comm and ring) against a flat and smooth surface (preferably glass) is the best way to make it. And of course, you DO have to bend the elements tabs straight.

I use JB Welding (steel) and nope it does NOT make electrical continuity as it can stand very high temperatures. So, in order to bond both components may use a molded outer ring wall to shape and contain more resin at the edges.

The advantage of this design is that we would be just using One Single Brush which reduces considerably the mechanical drag from the typical two brushes system...Plus it makes all the switch assy much more compact.

I just wanted to share this method, and even though I am not using the exact design as above...I am using one, which is based on the same principle of slip ring and commutation system, BOTH in the same plane.

So, when I make that disclosure, you guys are already familiar with it...


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EDIT ONE: Could you guys let me know if you ALL could see the image?...Am using another picture site, and want to make sure that ALL have access to it, EVEN NOT BEING LOGGED IN (Guests).

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As I have said earlier. My eyes are open. I can see your pic. But my brain enjoys the summer holiday. Anyhow, clever idea!
But, but when you get OU who bothers of some small brush drag.

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As I have said earlier. My eyes are open. I can see your pic. But my brain enjoys the summer holiday. Anyhow, clever idea!
But, but when you get OU who bothers of some small brush drag.

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Hello Arne,

Thanks,

But it is not just about having less mechanical drag...but less maintenance, less worries of contact failures, etc, BUT MAINLY to RIDICULIZE the EXISTING HUGE farting machines...as much as we -possibly- could... utilized as the ONLY mechanical rotation providers so far...where in reality...we just need to demonstrate that a very small and compact...little rotary switch assy...can do the replacement of the huge and stinking machines... capisci?


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Twin PWM sine generator

All builders on this thread.

Attached you will find an Arduino sketch. Just rename the .txt to .ino and then upload to Arduino board. Ensure the two libraries required are present in the library folder. You will find a setting for frequency in the sketch which is defaulted to 50Hz. This is not my sketch but one commonly available.

You can use the twin PWM sine outputs on pins 3 & 11 to drive two sets of two transistor forward converter, one set for each coil. This type of switch automatically recovers positive or negative switching transients to rail, which. I am using 200V 58A MOSFETS, which in this type of converter allows the devices to be run with a rail very close to this rating.

My driver scheme is complex with individual isolated +15V supplies for 8 switch drivers. The optoisolater drive board, is one I designed to be rugged & repairable.

This will provide almost 0V to DC rail max PWM sine. One will be the inverse of the other. When driving the coils the current waveforms have a sine like distribution, as shown in the attached scope shot.
I only have one current clamp of low current range (60A), my others are 200A or 400A, so I used a shunt measurement on the other coil.

At the moment the switching frequency and some very long connecting leads to the coils are causing a few problems with the waveform. some experimentation is required with the minimum current, as the 30V rail currently being used has a hard time with some of the narrow on periods , to get current to rise in the coil.

A little secret here is to isolate the power supply with diodes and only have a small value capacitor i.e. 4uf, for the switches to recover into. This can raise the cap voltage to levels well above 100V even for a 12V supply. The higher voltage can then achieve the fast rise times for the narrow pulses. Anyone interested is this can find the MERS patents online. Be careful with this, as it is easy to exceed the max voltage rating of the switches.

The exciter coils are some from another project hence the low turns. The output is using a MOT coil, which being narrow, works better than a coil similar to the exciters. The exciter cores extend into the output coil and have a small gap.

This setup draws about 7.5A from a 30V supply and the load is 45W average power, as measured by the math function on the scope.

One area of experimentation would be to decrease the arduino clock rate to decrease the sine resolution. This would produce wider pulses.

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All builders on this thread.

Attached you will find an Arduino sketch. Just rename the .txt to .ino and then upload to Arduino board. Ensure the two libraries required are present in the library folder. You will find a setting for frequency in the sketch which is defaulted to 50Hz. This is not my sketch but one commonly available.

You can use the twin PWM sine outputs on pins 3 & 11 to drive two sets of two transistor forward converter, one set for each coil. This type of switch automatically recovers positive or negative switching transients to rail, which. I am using 200V 58A MOSFETS, which in this type of converter allows the devices to be run with a rail very close to this rating.

My driver scheme is complex with individual isolated +15V supplies for 8 switch drivers. The optoisolater drive board, is one I designed to be rugged & repairable.

This will provide almost 0V to DC rail max PWM sine. One will be the inverse of the other. When driving the coils the current waveforms have a sine like distribution, as shown in the attached scope shot.
I only have one current clamp of low current range (60A), my others are 200A or 400A, so I used a shunt measurement on the other coil.

At the moment the switching frequency and some very long connecting leads to the coils are causing a few problems with the waveform. some experimentation is required with the minimum current, as the 30V rail currently being used has a hard time with some of the narrow on periods , to get current to rise in the coil.

A little secret here is to isolate the power supply with diodes and only have a small value capacitor i.e. 4uf, for the switches to recover into. This can raise the cap voltage to levels well above 100V even for a 12V supply. The higher voltage can then achieve the fast rise times for the narrow pulses. Anyone interested is this can find the MERS patents online. Be careful with this, as it is easy to exceed the max voltage rating of the switches.

The exciter coils are some from another project hence the low turns. The output is using a MOT coil, which being narrow, works better than a coil similar to the exciters. The exciter cores extend into the output coil and have a small gap.

This setup draws about 7.5A from a 30V supply and the load is 45W average power, as measured by the math function on the scope.

One area of experimentation would be to decrease the arduino clock rate to decrease the sine resolution. This would produce wider pulses.

L192

Hello Listener,

Nice set up you have there!!



I like your two signals to Primaries, nice

As also your Coils-Cores...



It would be great if you could share with Us, your Output results, versus your Input so far...

Also would like to see your output signal with just one of the Primaries...setting both probes at same attenuation and spec's.


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PWM Sine modulator

Hi UFO,

Well its about 50W average output for 300W DC input. Those current waveforms have some phase shift and do not cancel, so a loose coupled transformer action is occuring, somewhere in the order of 5A Pk-Pk out of 20A Pk-Pk swing.

A minimal change in input current when shorting both output coils does really prove anything if it is operating as a loose coupled transformer.

I could make scope power measurements and post them but they are not even in the ball park.

I have tried shifting the sine in code, also reducing the modulated amplitude. the distortions remain although operating into a resistive load produces a perfect current sine.

I have also tried twin single ended MOSFET switches but that needs a flyback diode and the distortion is worse. Possibly a PWM system with a feedback correctional loop would produce a clean sine.

Anyway... still thinking about it.

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Hi UFO,

Well its about 50W average output for 300W DC input. Those current waveforms have some phase shift and do not cancel, so a loose coupled transformer action is occuring, somewhere in the order of 5A Pk-Pk out of 20A Pk-Pk swing.

A minimal change in input current when shorting both output coils does really prove anything if it is operating as a loose coupled transformer.

I could make scope power measurements and post them but they are not even in the ball park.

I have tried shifting the sine in code, also reducing the modulated amplitude. the distortions remain although operating into a resistive load produces a perfect current sine.

I have also tried twin single ended MOSFET switches but that needs a flyback diode and the distortion is worse. Possibly a PWM system with a feedback correctional loop would produce a clean sine.

Anyway... still thinking about it.

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Got You, Thanks, Listener192,

Ok, but you must realize Your Coil-Core size ratio of your secondary versus your two primaries...I would say the Sec Length is about 1/3rd off One of your Primaries...

However, Generally speaking, Your results are EXACTLY what I have explained to Netica on the other Thread...this set up (NOT meaning yours, but related to Figuera Patent Main Design, BASICALLY of Primary-Secondaries alignment and positioning) will NOT DO IT, meaning going OU.

Your two sines are almost perfect...

Thanks for sharing it!!


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Load I & V single and twin primaries

Hi UFO,

Attached are scope shots of Load current (yellow) and voltage (blue)

Single primary and twin primaries.

Probe is a differential type on x 50. Scaling setting to read actual volts.

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PWM Class D single rail amplifier

I think that the attached Class D amplifier arrangement may provide the solution to a symmetrical sine. A commercial single rail D class amplifier could be used, just leave out the output capacitor that normally provides the DC isolation.

Perhaps a cheap medium power amplifier with upgraded MOSFETs or even paralleled MOSFETs.

One you would be feed with a zero degree sine and the other a 10 degree sine.
Phase corrections could be easily applied to the sines to achieve perfect cancellation.

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The DC Exciter Sinewave I am working on now...

Hello to All,

I am still working on the development of the driver (Rotary Switch, mechanical) which would render the following Sinewave:



So far this is a winner wave am working on, and what it does, is to REVERSE the TWO COIL TERMINALS VOLTAGE, used as the EXCITER, or Primary.

It does an "IDLE TIME" of exactly, 45 every HALF TURN (Half Cycle), which I use those TWO contacts to discharge to an AC Cap, as the Coils reverse spikes when is Switched Off takes place every half cycle.

This is a Development "Upgrade" from my previous rotary switch with the 16 elements commutator and a single brush, the 135 was the best timing that the exciter coil was On...or Six (6) elements from a 16 divisions Commutator (360/16=22.5 each div. angle), then it would be 22.5X6=135).

The Exciter worked out fine (same output results) whenever I reversed the Magnetic Field by switching the Input Polarities...but it reduced its output whenever I added another positive switching to a second primary with a common ground (typical Figuera way)...And these testing results made me move into this new form of switching.


The question to all Electronic developers here, like El Cheapo or Listener192...

Could this same scenario be reproduced on a Solid State Switching Electronic Board?

I know MOSFET's only either open or close like a switch...BUT, BASED on the SAME V Input Polarity which is supplied to their Sources (N or P Channel FET's)...so I believe it would be way complex than just an OFF-ON Scenario to reproduce this same, exact Sinewave.

But this is the winner SIGNAL so far guys...and so, the positioning of Primaries-Secondaries will not "necessarily" be based on a Sandwiched fashion of TWO Primaries and one CENTER Secondary...BUT, the other way around...and then more...a THIRD Secondary that could be added.

And the Idling Time of 45 MUST BE THERE!!...It can NOT BE one REVERSED switching after the other continuously at zero time...or else Fields would cancel to zero...Idle Time allows for the Collapsing Field to "FADE OUT" or Discharge into the Cap, while the Reversed one would be rising UP.


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The Switch Contacts and Rotating Brushes...

Hello to All,

In order to have a more solid, real idea...

This is the Mechanical Way, I am achieving the previous Signal...:



I have TWO CENTER OFFSET ROTATING BRUSHES shown, which are NOT Connected to absolutely nothing...All they do, is to close Arcs Segments, exactly at 180 apart.

As You all could see, on Image above, the Coil Terminal 1 (Left) is receiving a Negative Voltage, while the Coil #2 Terminal is receiving a Positive Voltage, by Right Brush closing contacts between Coil#2 Arc and Inner Positive Arc Segment.

These switching provides as well, a CURRENT REVERSAL, since we are FULLY reversing voltage Input at each terminal in every cycle...which maintains a steady Input SUPPLY at Exciter Coil. Same, exact deal as we get in a Symmetrical Brushed Motor...where BEMF is controlling by Current being back-forward directed alternatively.

The Upper and Lower Three elements are connected to an AC Cap, which collects ALTERNATIVELY the Off Times Spikes, PLUS, the ALTERNATED Input for a very short fraction of contact time (45 above-below).

This switching generates a FLASH POINT of N-S Reversed Spirals on each end of the Exciter core (more specifically, from Center of Core Outwards) alternatively...

Then We "MIRROR" this same signal with an LC Tank Circuit, same winding spec's as exciter coil, which smooths this square signal PLUS AMPLIFY IT...Hence the Exciting Magnetic Field INCREASES IN STRENGTH (for the price of one...)...Which gets Induced (FED) by Switched Exciting Magnetic Field.

Can't find a CLOSER APPROACH to the way a Rotating Generator Exciter Field works at FULL OPERATIONAL SPEED...


We are getting closer every day more...


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D class amplifier

It took a little time but I have one D class amp built. Its based on the NCP5106 Dual MOSFET driver, which allows the use on N channel devices.
It also provides the shoot through prevention. I am using 2 x 600V 53A MOSFET's. This driver is one I gave up on several years ago as MOSFET failure takes the driver out every time. In this case the application is fairly benign.

This one takes its PWM from the arduino, after TTL to CMOS 15V signal conversion.

I did some testing with square waves (no PWM) and it seems to drive a coil OK at 20A Pk-Pk.

Once have a PWM sine feeding it I will see what the sine current distortion is like.

Of course it could be driven with a PWM square wave, that would just control the amplitude of the square wave.

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Hello to All,

I am still working on the development of the driver (Rotary Switch, mechanical) which would render the following Sinewave:



So far this is a winner wave am working on, and what it does, is to REVERSE the TWO COIL TERMINALS VOLTAGE, used as the EXCITER, or Primary.

It does an "IDLE TIME" of exactly, 45 every HALF TURN (Half Cycle), which I use those TWO contacts to discharge to an AC Cap, as the Coils reverse spikes when is Switched Off takes place every half cycle.

This is a Development "Upgrade" from my previous rotary switch with the 16 elements commutator and a single brush, the 135 was the best timing that the exciter coil was On...or Six (6) elements from a 16 divisions Commutator (360/16=22.5 each div. angle), then it would be 22.5X6=135).

The Exciter worked out fine (same output results) whenever I reversed the Magnetic Field by switching the Input Polarities...but it reduced its output whenever I added another positive switching to a second primary with a common ground (typical Figuera way)...And these testing results made me move into this new form of switching.


The question to all Electronic developers here, like El Cheapo or Listener192...

Could this same scenario be reproduced on a Solid State Switching Electronic Board?

I know MOSFET's only either open or close like a switch...BUT, BASED on the SAME V Input Polarity which is supplied to their Sources (N or P Channel FET's)...so I believe it would be way complex than just an OFF-ON Scenario to reproduce this same, exact Sinewave.

But this is the winner SIGNAL so far guys...and so, the positioning of Primaries-Secondaries will not "necessarily" be based on a Sandwiched fashion of TWO Primaries and one CENTER Secondary...BUT, the other way around...and then more...a THIRD Secondary that could be added.

And the Idling Time of 45 MUST BE THERE!!...It can NOT BE one REVERSED switching after the other continuously at zero time...or else Fields would cancel to zero...Idle Time allows for the Collapsing Field to "FADE OUT" or Discharge into the Cap, while the Reversed one would be rising UP.


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Hi UFO,

Yes you could generate this waveform with an H bridge, just like a sine inverter with a + & - rail, except in this case you delay before switching the polarity via the second set of transistors in the bridge.

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Trailing edge dimmer

Hi UFO,

As you are now generating AC, a simpler option may be to use a trailing edge dimmer, see attached.

If you try to generate a square current waveform, now you are using AC on the coil, complete magnetic reset and reversal will mean that the full inductance of the coil will be seen, unlike the DC method. Your current wave shape will be closer to a sawtooth.

With a trailing edge dimmer, the leading edge will be a sine and your 135/45 degree waveform could be easily set. A variable tap transformer or variac could be used with the dimmer to control current amplitude.

The only reason for using PWM, would be if you wanted to control the current amplitude while generating the square waveform from +& - DC rails.

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Hi UFO,

As you are now generating AC, a simpler option may be to use a trailing edge dimmer, see attached.

If you try to generate a square current waveform, now you are using AC on the coil, complete magnetic reset and reversal will mean that the full inductance of the coil will be seen, unlike the DC method. Your current wave shape will be closer to a sawtooth.

With a trailing edge dimmer, the leading edge will be a sine and your 135/45 degree waveform could be easily set. A variable tap transformer or variac could be used with the dimmer to control current amplitude.

The only reason for using PWM, would be if you wanted to control the current amplitude while generating the square waveform from +& - DC rails.

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Thanks Listener192,

I have seen, and own some Three Phase BLDC Motor Controllers...which I know work based on an "H Bridge", however this is a Basic Single Phase Signal (so far).

You are right I have now an AC Signal, BUT, remember it is generated by DC, and so please note the Flat Line On Times whether at negative or positive peaks, this is highly required to allow for Magnetic Field FULL Development by being Fully ON for that time.

In the Mechanical Rotary Switch, the brushes RIDE CONTINUOUSLY through TWO Solid ARCS of Copper, which turns ON Field for the whole 135 Angle. And no matter the speed, this ON Time would be present, so the Signal would NEVER make a sharp peak.

Sharp ON Peaks will NOT allow for field development.

On the Image I have displayed about the mechanical Slip Rings Commutator, I have set just Two Brushes (one on each side) for sake of simplicity on the explanation...but in reality I have Two on each side, jumped by pairs, this way I have one (Supply) AHEAD of the Coil Brush, in order to allow Coil being OFF, to discharge to Cap while it is disconnected from source.

As soon as I finish tuning up the switch, I will make a video of the tests, so you could see the REAL Signal.

Real Signal is NOT as neat as shown on my CAD, it gets a bit distorted when Cap charges by the Coil spikes resulting from disconnection at the OFF Times.

The main purpose of this running cap, charged in every cycle is to be able to retro-feed the main supply, becoming a Self sustaining system. However, Cap also allows Coil to discharge and enter "pretty clean" to next reversal, hopefully this would reduce to almost zero any commutation arcing.


Regards and thanks again for your help!!


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D class Amplifier with PWM sine input

Attached are some scope shots, showing the results of a resistive load and an inductive load.

As you can the sine current is pretty good in both cases however there is a 10A offset in coil current. I need to think on this problem.

Experimenting with a UPS filter took out one of my MOSFET's, my mistake as it effectively shorted the 31KHz pulses. I may have got away with this but I only had a temporary heatsink attached to the MOSFET mount rail, so I think they just cooked.

So now need to get replacements.
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The Rise of Output Amperage...above Source.

Hello Listener192 and All,

The Figuera's Signal, which was actually assumed, based on the Interactions from the Patent Images, based on its graphics with commutator and Resistors...does NOT offers a Strong Induction on Secondaries which could render a Higher Amperage which would be ABOVE Input Amperage.

Remember Figuera cited this Diagram with Comm and Resistors as an EXAMPLE for the Patenting purposes. And it DOES Generates an Induction on Secondaries...but...

...ONLY with an ABRUPT and RADICAL, Constant Magnetic Field Spiral Reversals, EFFECTED from Exciter to Secondaries Coils, will definitively "PUMP" a MUCH Higher Amperage than what we are Inputting through our Source.


You can or can not believe me, or you could keep trying with the Original Assumed Signal...it is up to you...however, time will tell the final answer...


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Coil to Cap Discharge Momentum...

Hello to All,

Below is a better view of the way brushes are positioned related to Slip Arc Segments, as I am showing BOTH Discharge Times in One Cycle from Coil to Cap




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Note that supply brushes are Off from supply arc, by the time Coil Brush is discharging to AC Cap on both positions...


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Hi UFO,

My efforts so far are just to verify that the balanced sine current waveforms cancel flux linking, leaving only the flux cutting component.

I have doubts that this will be the case but in deference to the project I thought I would give it the benefit of the doubt.

With your new waveform is this applied to two exciter coils N-N in antiphase, or just to a single exciter coil?

You mention recovery to a capacitor, could you show a schematic of your setup?

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Hi UFO,

With your new waveform is this applied to two exciter coils N-N in antiphase, or just to a single exciter coil?

You mention recovery to a capacitor, could you show a schematic of your setup?

Thanks

L192

L192,

Just One Single Exciting Coil, which based on this new signal it becomes NS and SN in ONE cycle it does one magnetic pattern...PLUS I have a second Exciting Coil which is based on an LC Tank (closed circuit), however, same spec's as turns, wire gauge etc as the Single Exciter Coil...actually is wound as a Bifilar kind with primary one, sharing SAME Core.

The AC Cap (A Generator AC Running Cap), am just reading energy gain Input with different frequencies, meaning, just connected to the center terminal short (45) arc segment shown on above two images...where it reads "CAP".


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Hi UFO,

My efforts so far are just to verify that the balanced sine current waveforms cancel flux linking, leaving only the flux cutting component.

I have doubts that this will be the case but in deference to the project I thought I would give it the benefit of the doubt.

L192
But you could've check that by making Two Air Gaps between Three Separate Cores, separated by whatever thin insulation...no more " flux linking" there...right?

It would still Induce friend...it's called "Spatial Induction"...


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About Secondaries (Generating Coils)

Hello again,

Now, about secondaries...I believe I have NOT left out ANY possible Spatial Positioning available around One Single Exciter Coil, 360 Spherical Volume around it...and guess what?

The BEST STRUCTURAL form of Secondary(ies) that I have tested so far as best Output... is when they (coils) are wound INSIDE EXCITER COIL or between the Exciter Coil and the Core, meaning INTERNALLY of Exciter Coil, and actually, RIGHT around the Only One Center Core...but...NOT just a Single wound coil from end to end (I did that one as well)...NOPE, not that easy!...INSTEAD, I made GROUPS of Coils with very short length (10-13 mm) and height as allowed by exciter coil inner walls (First Layer)...and so, between each single coil I wrapped a steel ribbon insulated by tape of about same spec's in height and Length as of Inner Secondary coils.

All Inner Secondary Coils connected in SERIES, of course.

I have made this Model very easy to take apart , in order that I could dis-assemble it, completely...right in front of Camera while filming it for a few minutes...

More or Less a pretty similar structure approach as Cook's "Magnetic Battery" Patent...


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Hello again,

Now, about secondaries....and guess what?

The BEST STRUCTURAL form of Secondary(ies) that I have tested so far as best Output... is when they (coils) are wound INSIDE EXCITER COIL or between the Exciter Coil and the Core, meaning INTERNALLY of Exciter Coil, and actually, RIGHT around the Only One Center Core...but...NOT just a Single wound coil from end to end (I did that one as well)...NOPE, not that easy!...INSTEAD, I made GROUPS of Coils with very short length (10-13 mm) and height as allowed by exciter coil inner walls (First Layer)...and so, between each single coil I wrapped a steel ribbon insulated by tape of about same spec's in height and Length as of Inner Secondary coils.
Hi UFO
Seems that you comes closer to my best geometry. See pic two here: http://www.energeticforum.com/293596-post1326.html

And near to or similar an AC-signal... Ooouh . .

But my coils were in . ant - size . . . . according to You . .
And I only had one secondary coil as a small compact lump.

Good luck !
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But you could've check that by making Two Air Gaps between Three Separate Cores, separated by whatever thin insulation...no more " flux linking" there...right?

It would still Induce friend...it's called "Spatial Induction"...


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Hi UFO,

Please see attached scope shot and supporting arduino sketch. This provides the waveform you require.

All the airgap does, is reduce the flux linkage not eliminate it, assuming that the exciter coil/cores do not totally cancel out variations in the flux level in the cores.

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Flux Cutting or Linking?...To be or not to be...

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Hi UFO,

Please see attached scope shot and supporting arduino sketch. This provides the waveform you require.
Thanks L192!

I honestly have to go first by my mechanical rotary switching to do the testings...then scope signal to see the REAL wave it is showing with a fully operating system...like I said, I am pretty sure the fact of constant reversed discharges of coil to cap will cause the signal to distort a bit, not only on the particular points of contact, but I believe it will modify the whole sinewave.

It has happened before.

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All the airgap does, is reduce the flux linkage not eliminate it, assuming that the exciter coil/cores do not totally cancel out variations in the flux level in the cores.

L192
I really believe that falling into the "Theories" and discussing the differences between flux cutting and flux linking...all they will do is get us all behind in our development...Confusion would then be our MAIN Discussions.

A Transformer works based on Flux Linking...linking through what?...through a CLOSED LAMINATED IRON CORE.

If You OPEN JUST ONE GAP in ANY Transformer Core...it will considerably decrease its performance becoming USELESS for whatever application it was designed for.

A Generator Exciter Field, whenever its geometrical positioning reaches the Stator Generating Coils POINT of MAX Induction, We all could say that it is "linking flux" there, at that particular SPACE/TIME POINT...

The Magnetic Field is just ONE and ONLY ONE PHENOMENA...whether we move it along with its CARRIERS or make CHANGES ON ITS DENSITY THROUGH TIME, ALL are RESULTS OBTAINED FROM THE SAME, EXACT Magnetic Field INFLUENCE.

Then We all have concluded that basically ONLY when we are Changing the Spatial Geometry Positioning of either Magnetic Field or Conductor by a Physical Mechanical Movement is considered "Flux Cutting" based on Faraday discovery...Then Flux Linking would be "applied" ONLY to all Static Fields and Conductors.

But the thing is that NONE of the above Conclusions to "categorize" Flux cutting or linking, CONSIDER MOVING JUST the MASS-LESS Magnetic Field through Space/Time and through other masses...leaving STATIC ALL other Physical components.

Bottom line...all am saying, is that all this arguments bring is confusions PLUS waist our Precious Time to keep developing our REAL EXPERIMENTS.

Magnetic Fields posses a VORTEX or SPIRAL COMPONENT, which is very stupid to think it works just like a Rotating Fan Blade...constantly spinning...it DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!...Magnetic Field is composed of SEVERAL Curvilinear Vectors, where each one travel outwards (centrifugally) to then travel Inwards (centripetally)at a specific INCLINED ANGLE ...Therefore, JUST ONE VECTOR DOES NOT take much GENERAL SPATIAL ROTATION when observing just One Vector, related to the embodiment (magnetic carrier, whether PM or EM) geometrical center axis, ONLY a GREATER AND NOTICEABLE SPIN is achieved when the WHOLE FIELD DISPLACES SPATIALLY THROUGH TIME.

Like Herman Minkowski refers to as a "Corkscrew" similar Movement, on his Magnetism Space-Time development.


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Hi UFO
Seems that you comes closer to my best geometry. See pic two here: http://www.energeticforum.com/293596-post1326.html

And near to or similar an AC-signal... Ooouh . .

But my coils were in . ant - size . . . . according to You . .
And I only had one secondary coil as a small compact lump.

Good luck !
Regards Arne

Hello Seaad,

I really would NOT like to depend on a REAL AC sinewave from an AC Transformer connected to MAINS to conduct my testings...Why?

Mainly because we are NOT allowing Field FULL development by using a Lump or a curve WHICH reaches peak Energy Supply (whether Positive or Negative) in a VERY limited time.

It is NOT the same as having a FULL AND STEADY ON TIME (FLAT LINE UP AND DOWN), which allows Field Development enough to cause a VERY STRONG EMF Induction on the Generating Coils.

And I am talking about Volts AND Amps ABOVE SOURCE.

Besides, I can -ANY TIME- use a straight and simple connected Battery to become the main Power Source...with an AC Transformer you can NOT, unless you fall with the Inverter loop, which is not either a true sinewave...so, the results you obtained with Transformer-Mains will NEVER be the same as Battery-Inverter-AC Transformer.

I do NOT need ANY Inverter or UPS to make my tests.

The results of your tests are shown -below- at the end of your cited post...6.7V In to 0.65V Out:

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Figuera test from February 23 2016 100(+) % ? (Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy)

Input freq; about 5kHz. Input voltage V1, V2; about 6,7 Volt Input current; about 2 mA over Rpi1,Rpi2. Phase angle; 83,2- 83,5 deg. (cos ~= 0,1) Output; about 0,65 Volt .

Arne
R U Serious?...Do you really consider the above, based on your results..."your best geometry"?


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