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Old 11-23-2016, 03:29 PM
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I have around 40 winds in the torroid that I showed the wave form of, and using normal multi strand pvc coated wire with cross sectional area around 1.7mm.

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As I wont go into the other Thread (except if I receive more insults) I just want to highlight this sentence above from the post done by Netica there.

I agree with Netica. Simple household wire should do the work fine. I think everyone who want to get a try should do it first with this thinner wire in order to have the possibility to adjust the number of turns (and thus the inductance). If you do it with thick wire it won´t be so easy to change the number of turns.

Which resistance may have a household wire of 3 or 4 meters long ? Maybe 1 ohm. Maybe even less. Who cares of 1 ohm in the wire if you are having 25 or 50 ohm of overall impedance in the whole system (electromagnets inductance)? This is just my point of view.

I am glad that Ufo is getting great results. Thanks God that Ufo and Netica got involved to fix the design. Good luck !! Go Figuera! Go!
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No CW and CCW winding...at Toroid

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Thank YOU Netica! But be prepared for the STORM!

See also my very first post here on EF it's still valid. http://www.energeticforum.com/292732-post1103.html
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The windings on the "G"-toroid between terminals to N and S needs to be
CW AND CCW
to maintain the inductance in the toroid.
With all turns CW (or CCW) around the hole toroid NO inductance can be measured between the N ans S terminals or between the rotating connector to any of the N and S parts.

The Eagle

About your cited post above...You are wrong, the winding at Toroid follows exactly same direction at all times...So no CW and CCW at Toroid Core!!

What constantly changes here (reverses) is the Current direction at Toroid Core between both end terminals...even though brush is spinning through comm at same direction.

It is similar to a circular "Wipe Sweep".

Watch my video when I upload it...


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As I wont go into the other Thread (except if I receive more insults) I just want to highlight this sentence above from the post done by Netica there.

I agree with Netica. Simple household wire should do the work fine. I think everyone who want to get a try should do it first with this thinner wire in order to have the possibility to adjust the number of turns (and thus the inductance). If you do it with thick wire it won´t be so easy to change the number of turns.

Which resistance may have a household wire of 3 or 4 meters long ? Maybe 1 ohm. Maybe even less. Who cares of 1 ohm in the wire if you are having 25 or 50 ohm of overall impedance in the whole system (electromagnets inductance)? This is just my point of view.

I am glad that Ufo is getting great results. Thanks God that Ufo and Netica got involved to fix the design. Good luck !! Go Figuera! Go!
Hanon,


1.7 square mm or cross section area is equivalent to a 15 gauge wire in awg (1.67 mm2), while 14 awg is about 2.0 mm...and so 40 turns like you have said wont reach even 1.0 ohms.

This system does not work based on resistance...but Reluctance, increasing or decreasing due to the MMF (Amp-Turns)...and so Flux Density which here is the "Magnetic Circuit Current" (I) equivalent in Ohm's law.

Ohms is R=V/I...and Hopkinson's is Reluctance= MMF (Amp-Turns)/ Flux in Webers

So, from here works exactly as Ohm's Law...

My Toroid have exactly 0.3 ohms total ohms...based on 20 turns of 8 awg wire...and works perfect...cold temperature.

We will eventually need to forget about Ohms Law and interpret this whole System through Hopkinson's law...which is just Ohm's applied to magnetic circuits.


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No storm at all Seead...maybe a "Storm of Happiness"...

About your cited post above...You are wrong, the winding at Toroid follows exactly same direction at all times...So no CW and CCW

What constantly changes here is the Current direction at Toroid Core between both end terminals...even though brush is spinning through comm at same direction.

It is similar to a circular "Wipe Sweep".


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Hi Ufo,

Seaad is correct, as was I, in predicting zero inductance (due to zero flux in the toroid core) when MM continuous self closed coil is used. When that continuous coil is broken and the ends connected to the primary coils, current enters the toroid's coil from the brush (+) and splits left and right around the toroid enroute to the primaries (coil end connections). The split current in the toroid's coil will yield CW Ampere-turns to the left and CCW Ampere-turns to the right, or vice versa. So this effectively gives you the CW & CCW windinds on the toroid although, without the brush and rest of the circuit, the toroid's coil is in fact wound in a single direction, CW or CCW.

And I believe the current is always in one direction in the circuit. *

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{edit} (*) Does not apply to all currents in the circuit.
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Hi Ufo,

Seaad is correct, as was I, in predicting zero inductance (due to zero flux in the toroid core) when MM continuous self closed coil is used. When that continuous coil is broken and the ends connected to the primary coils, current enters the toroid's coil from the brush (+) and splits left and right around the toroid enroute to the primaries (coil end connections). The split current in the toroid's coil will yield CW Ampere-turns to the left and CCW Ampere-turns to the right, or vice versa. So this effectively gives you the CW & CCW windinds on the toroid although, without the brush and rest of the circuit, the toroid's coil is in fact wound in a single direction, CW or CCW.

And I believe the current is always in one direction in the circuit.

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Hello Bistander,

Sorry but I disagree about Seaad statement...he clearly states that the winding at toroid must be wound CW and CCW...and that is completely confusing and so far away from reality.

As I also disagree with you about current traveling only one direction...only if you would have built this system, then you will realize what is going on here.

Remember when you posted a while back about your opinion on the Figuera method to joint comm elements in that fashion?

Your answer was that it was just "saving" some conductor wires...which we could interpret that by doing it in a continuous order was exactly same thing...negative.

But do not feel bad...there I also agreed with you and did not see what Netica carefully observed and built following EXACTLY the Patent Guidelines.

If you take a closer look at the set up...you will notice that positive brush riding on Comm wired at Figuera style...is FORCING Currents to Reverse every Half Cycle, kind of a Wiper Movement from end terminals.

And NOT following a Sequential Orderly Fashion, in which case Current will flow only one way..plus split as you are writing above.

The splitting of current is done previously by the way upper and lower terminals on comm are joint (or right and left, depending on your end terminals line positioning at comm).

As this is also the way Netica sees this...


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UFO; Toroid with continuous winding and N+S taps, No ends => CW + CCW between N and S taps!
Toroid without continuous winding, Having ends to N+S => CW OR CCW

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And I believe the current is always in one direction in the circuit.
Hi Ufo,

I went back to the original patent drawing and it appears that current direction in the elements in "R" can change depending on the brush position. But the current(s) in the primary coils and source do not change direction.

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Hi Ufo,

I went back to the original patent drawing and it appears that current direction in the elements in "R" can change depending on the brush position. But the current(s) in the primary coils and source do not change direction.

Post will be edited.

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Hi Bistander...

About your bold statement from above...

Bingo!!...Vualá!!..Yes!!...and so could we please refer to "R" as Part G Toroid Core and windings...could we?


Absolutely right about Source not changing directions...now, about primaries...not sure yet...when I get there I will let you know.

Thanks Bistander


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1.7 square mm or cross section area is equivalent to a 15 gauge wire in awg (1.67 mm2), while 14 awg is about 2.0 mm...and so 40 turns like you have said wont reach even 1.0 ohms.

This system does not work based on resistance...but Reluctance, increasing or decreasing due to the MMF (Amp-Turns)...and so Flux Density which here is the "Magnetic Circuit Current" (I) equivalent in Ohm's law.
I agree totally with you. What is the neccesity to reduce even more the resistance when it is already quite low with even a household wire? This was a constraint imposed by MM which I never understood. The wire just need to withstand the maximum amperage. Just that.

As you know my aim from the begining was to make/promote the easiest design. Thus why I promoted the resistors: it is easier for many people. But if finally the toroid is cracked and put in simple words it will be much better. Thin wire is the easiest way to tune the toroid for most people. If we get the easiest design more and more people will get involved and they will replicate this system. If we do it too complex then it will never go viral into the world. KISS Phylosophy remember!!

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I agree totally with you. What is the neccesity to reduce even more the resistance when it is already quite low with even a household wire? This was a constraint imposed by MM which I never understood. The wire just need to withstand the maximum amperage. Just that.

As you know my aim from the begining was to make/promote the easiest design. Thus why I promoted the resistors: it is easier for many people. But if finally the toroid is cracked and put in simple words it will be much better. Thin wire is the easiest way to tune the toroid for most people. If we get the easiest design more and more people will get involved and they will replicate this system. If we do it too complex then it will never go viral into the world. KISS Phylosophy remember!!

Good work!!
Thanks Hanon,

MM was trying to build a Part G which could be capable to drive Huge Amps towards the Primaries...also huge of course...and so, that is why he started trying with much heavier wire.

By being able to drive Currents at "Cold Fusion" temperatures, without absolutely no heat expense...I am sorry Hanon, but this device goes way beyond Figuera Machine my Friend.

The applications are beyond imagination...and I mean for every mean of electrodynamic machine out there...even in the electricity and electronics regulations systems...and then some more...

IMHO Marathonman has developed a completely new, novel system of controlling currents...

And so I could care less that was Doug the one who first did it...Doug obviously got afraid because he knew exactly what he was working with here...and hide away...while MM kept here, in the open...over and over and standing all kind of BS.

Marathonman deserves all the credit here Hanon.

You keep saying fine wire and high resistance...we do not need that anymore...is over and done.

The only reason why I see that we need some resistance depends upon the type of power source we are using...if its Output is "regulated" based on Ohms Law...then yes, unfortunately we need to play with resistance values...BUT NOT because this system requires any resistance at all.


Thanks and take care


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IMHO Marathonman has developed a completely new, novel system of controlling currents...

And so I could care less that was Doug the one who first did it...Doug obviously got afraid because he knew exactly what he was working with here...and hide away...while MM kept here, in the open...over and over and standing all kind of BS.

Marathonman deserves all the credit here Hanon.
I try to congratulate each one for his merits, and of course that the merit of bringing it to the open is all merit of MM and I thank him for that. But he later got excited with the idea of the toroid and he started to say that it was mandatory. And this is false. This is my only point to argue with MM. Believe me, it is not mandatory.

IMO he put constrains to the building making it more complex: he said the toroid was mandatory and that it needed a very very thick wire. I do not say fine wire. I say that if you are going to use 6 amperes, then use the proper wire for that amperage. Or if not you should also be using that same thick wire in any common transformer. But not, the wire is adjusted to the amperage for that specific use. Even more I think that also a close core composed of a "U" and a "I" together will work also. Just common sense and less constrains.

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I try to congratulate each one for his merits, and of course that the merit of bringing it to the open is all merit of MM and I thank him for that.
Great Hanon!!...way to go...

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But he later got excited with the idea of the toroid and he started to say that it was mandatory. And this is false. This is my only point to argue with MM. Believe me, it is not mandatory.
So, You still think resistors would work as well?

Let me say this...I tested my system with resistors...it does Induce on Secondaries based on Figuera's approach of Hi-Lo Virtual Fields displacements...but at what cost?

In my tests I smoke resistors...and heat was sky high...my PSU started its Fan...everything was going south...but I tested main principle...Induction was achieved...that is the only reason I did not post any tests videos...

Resistors was cited by Figuera as an example...but it is definitively not a viable way to go here.

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IMO he put constrains to the building making it more complex: he said the toroid was mandatory and that it needed a very very thick wire. I do not say fine wire. I say that if you are going to use 6 amperes, then use the proper wire for that amperage. Or if not you should also be using that same thick wire in any common transformer. But not, the wire is adjusted to the amperage for that specific use. Even more I think that also a close core composed of a "U" and a "I" together will work also. Just common sense and less constrains.

Regards !!
Thick wire at Toroid makes this system work super cold...with high wattage spending...but there is more still to be shown here...guess what?...The Primaries do not even get warm as well, no matter how low on resistance you wind them (thick wire)...and that is completely beyond comprehension.

I do not know if you knew this...but with a high amperage running through a thick wire and pretty good number of Amp-Turns and Big Iron Core...can you imagine the size of magnetic fields built there?

Anyways...thanks !...gotta lot of work ahead...


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The admin does not allow me to post in the other thread so I copy below the post I did there yesterday and that I have just deleted tgere to show how an incredible "serious builder" works:
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In the 21st of november of 2016 Marathonman posted this:

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we need to get these devices built before crap hits the fan. as i understand it the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers are planning to crash the market now that Trump is in office. i just hope we are finished with this device by then.



MM


In the 24th of March of 2016 Marathonman posted this:



Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE



Two posts. Eight months between them. Judge for yourselves.

Facts are facts.

Thanks God that Netica corrected his wrong theoretical design, thing that he might have done during those 8 months if he had worked a little harder instead of waiting for others to do the dirty work.
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Last "Figuera" sim LT-spice XVII Dual G-part

Simulation 66% efficiency. Here with TWO separate G-cores. Sine wave 1000Hz
The same N,S,y transformer parameters. Load 130 Ohm.



I have tried the same concept at 50Hz also with different inductance values. That seems to be a much tougher task to solve. My best result so far is a power factor just below 50 percent.

Compare that with the flip flop version post # 1325 => 67% Square wave
http://www.energeticforum.com/293595-post1325.html

It will be interesting to see if any test on the forbidden thread can outdo my simulation* power factor values with open G-part coil(s) ends as in UFOpolitics latest video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXWLV76XfFw , of course.

With a MM continuous closed coil G-part** that is no trouble at all to achieve >100% because of the resulting OU- effect! MM quote: i will still pursue my style of winding just for my own sake
*) with normal laws of today
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and so...i been thinking that doug may have even given you the wrong info on purpose...at some point..."to joint the end windings looping the system in a "perfect short circuit"

...in order that you do not see success .
...at some point...
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Now they are on the right track. Thanks God now they have great builders there to advance. I guess those builders will succed soon or later.

I just wanted to show that MM has been promoting all his interpretation from his theoretical understanding of the device. Never from tests.

Theoretically the toroid needed a unique shortcircuited winding. Wrong

Theoretically the toroid needs a thick wire able to power a building. Wrong. Netica did it with household wire.

Theoretically the toroid is mandatory. Waiting...
Theoretically the toroid recycle back the energy, and if not it will never be selfsustaining. Waiting...

We will see. The patent does not tell anything of that. Time will tell...theoretically.
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? ? ? ? ?

Is MM a reincarnated MuhaMmed ??

quote: God said to me, "Do not quit Donald" so i stood tall and i will reap his rewards.
as for the thanking, well, i can't lie, it is nice to be told "thank you" but in the long run i am just Gods messenger.


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Hi Ufo,

Since I'm forbidden on the other thread I'll drag your post over here. Kinda silly but that's MM.

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Hello to All,

I have been trying to put all Functions of Part G together...along with Primaries.

And, like I wrote before...being studying pretty deep all Magnetic Circuits Calculations related to Toroids...as Hopkinson's Law and Ohm's Law...

Some diagrams below I believe will assist Us in understanding how to build our Wave Signal even better:

Below Diagram shows Primary N at Max Output:

[IMG][/IMG]

And so I have set a few Parameters to have in mind...:

Total Amp-Turns, which is equivalent to Total MMF disbursed at Max on both ends. This Number of Turns on our Toroid will dictate the Raise and Fall distances in our Scopes Signal...as it will Increase the Primaries Magnetic Field Strength, therefore their Spatial expansions and Contractions.

Notice on this IMG I have set the Positive Brush Arrow delivering Max at N Primary.

Please note Brush Rotation Direction on Top of Toroid

I have reflected on IMG Left side all Parameters following their respective Directions...

Electric Circuit: is showing Current and EMF direction following Red Circular Arrow Increasing Values within Toroid Core.

Magnetic Circuit: MMF is also following Red Arrow direction Increase as is Flux Density.

Based on either Hopkinson's or Ohm's Law we all know that MMF/EMF and Current/Flux are Directly Proportional...meaning as one increases...so the other one.

But not so with Resistance/Reluctance...which are Inversely Proportional according to the Law's Equations...

So we have the Opposite Increase reflected by Black Arrow within Toroid, moving away from Red Arrow (Opposite Directions)

Which concludes that as MMF/EMF/Flux/Current are moving with red arrow direction, the Resistance/Reluctance Increases Opposite based on Black Arrow Direction.

The Result is that we get Higher Potentials Values (MMF/EMF/Flux/Current) delivered at Terminal going to Primary N.

As We get the Highest Resistance/Reluctance at Terminal going to Primary S. Which means Minimal Currents...as the other Parameters Increasing at N.

Now the Opposite Image is shown below:

[IMG][/IMG]

Brush is delivering Max at S Primary...which means that ALL Output Parameters on previous Image REVERSE.

Note Red-Black Arrows within Toroid are now opposed than IMG 1...

While Brush Rotation is the same...

All Equations from both Laws are in agreement with my writings above...

Reluctance = L/uA

Where L is the Total Length of the Magnetic Circuit (Our Toroid Windings) and uA is the Magnetic Permeability (Conductivity) of Iron Core Sectional Area...which tells Us all that by Increasing L which round up to be also Number of Turns...will increase our Reluctance...but CAREFUL here!!...since they are Inversely Proportional to MMF/Flux...too much Resistance will lower our MMF/Flux Rendered Potentials.

And here is where I see the reason why to work with heavier gauge wire...which means that we could increase L (Length=A-T) without increasing Ohmic Resistance...plus allowing better path for higher currents flow.

Therefore, We keep a Balance of both Opposed Magnetic Parameters here (MMF/Reluctance) which we need to create Higher Raise as lower falls at Signals Peaks.

Anyways, this is my take on this...My two pennies worth...


Regards to All


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It appears that you show one of the primary coils wound backwards. Is that right? I like to see that you're taking an analytical approach. I have to go but will study this later.

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Since I'm forbidden on the other thread I'll drag your post over here. Kinda silly but that's MM.



It appears that you show one of the primary coils wound backwards. Is that right? I like to see that you're taking an analytical approach. I have to go but will study this later.

Regards,

bi

Hello Bistander,

I just did it to keep wiring connections "Symmetrical" and so prettier...between G and Primaries.. ...nothing important...we all know it is the other way around. or N-N...that is why I painted Blue both arrows at N-S Max...

But now can you see what looking for Symmetry makes Us all do?...

Very observative like always Bistander!!...But you've missed that I had Battery terminals polarity symbols wrong...

I got a technical question for you about my switching PSU...but I will post it on the Open Thread later on...

I know either Citfta or You will have the right answer.


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Ants Noise...

By the way...I could slightly hear some kind of very low , almost imperceptible low sound...like coming from a very tiny ant?

Anyone of you could hear it?

By the way, I had Turkey yesterday...but what about my steak supposedly to be done with some resistors flames???!!!

So far my Toroid Part G is sooo cold that only serves me to store veggies and salad...


Electronic Taste...





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The same proof of principle done by Netica and Ufo was time ago shown in this video regulating two lightbulbs in the range 0-100%. But it went into deaf ears. Bistander and Seead also pointed to this kind of design.

https://vimeo.com/178144785
1- The video shows a variac . Variac have a open winding. MM was telling that a continuous close winding was mandatory, and he was....wrong.

2- As in any variac the brush movement was back and forth between both outlets. MM was describing a continuous whole rotation around the toroid. And he was again...wrong

3- The winding in the variac has a normal thickness. MM was telling thar the winding must be very very thick. Netica proved him to be wrong when he built his device with normal household wire.

4- I say that the toroid do not make any energy recycling function between the toroid and the electromagnets. Time will tell if they can disconnect the battery just by using a toroid or use just a small input to compensate heat losses (very small in the toroid). Time will tell and will prove that MM is ....
I see in MM a virtue , and that is his big commitment with this project, and this is really good in some points because he at least has bring into light the toroid as a great efficiency current regulator. But please do not accept other self imposed design restrictions, as saying that the toroid is mandatory or that it needs a wire able to power a whole building, which is also a guess coming from his own interpretation. This device should work with any method which would be able to move the two fields. The toroid is not the only way.

It is a pity that this forum is not really open. As no disident opinion is accepted in the other thread, nobody can read there some constructive critics as the one from Bistander and Seead, who finally were proved to be right. The other thread is a kind of "just those accepting ang replicating my views are allowed here". I do not know if in the future Netica and Ufo will be accepted there if they discover any other disagreement with the "Theory". I hope they stay there, they are the only ones with real hability to bring that thread onto the right track.
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Exclamation Open thread

While this is an open thread i choose to not post here except to confront your BS.
my thread is closed because of people like you that constantly attack me for no reason other than pissed off that i took your lousy 15 minutes of fame away.
you have been riding off your translation of the patent since 2012 and have done NOTHING since to promote the Figuera device. even your translation was wrong with missing translations and sentences. you have NO research of your own except the NN fields and that is it. your attempt at constructing the primaries and secondaries ended it a COMPLETE DISASTER and NOTHING WORKED. all the information i have was given to you but you have NO ability to understand it.
YOU ARE WRONG HANON.
all you do is post different patents in an attempt to fool people that you have your own research, in which you have NONE. you have even been to my research photos and graphs to many times to count copying my research because you don't have the ability to figure it out on your own. YES HANON I KNOW YOU VISIT MY RESEARCH ALMOST DAILY. talk about a HYPOCRITE TO THE THIRD DEGREE.

YOU ARE THE FRAUD HANON not me. every thing i post has come true. SO WHAT pert G needed a little tweek, WHO CARES.
you are JEALOUS like no tomorrow and can't stand it that I have pushed this device to the next level NOT YOU.
i get email's and pm's all the time about people saying YOU ARE WRONG and DO NOTHING TO PROMOTE THE DEVICE. all you bring to the table is a mouth full of BS.

LEAVE ME AND MY RESEARCH ALONE AND GET A LIFE. my thread is for people that agree with my findings. maybe not 100 % but they still agree and we are working together to complete this device.
all this thread does is bad mouth me with NO RESEARCH AT ALL. WOW ! now that is so sad and says a lot about you and the other thread members. YOU ARE SICK IN THE HEAD AND NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP.

I DON"T CARE ANYTHING ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SILLY BS AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ON MY THREAD OR MY FOLLOWERS.

so please stop EMBARRASSING YOUR SELF AND ENTERGETIC FORUM like you have been. try acting like an adult instead of a drama queen and get to work on this device.
DO NOT POST ON MY SITE IN RETALIATION. just get on with your life and quite being a COMPLETE COWARD if you can.

NOBODY WANTS YOU OR NEEDS YOUR BS especially on MY THREAD so please STOP THE BS TODAY, RIGHT NOW !
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If anyone read my previous post and yours they can judge for themselves who is the mental unbalanced person.

Admit you were wrong, and stop telling BS about me and anyone who criticise you. All we are waiting is some technical reasoning to defend your proposals, but you only know how to insult.

If you insult me again please do it in the other thread. Write there your crap.
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If anyone read my previous post and yours they can judge for themselves who is the mental unbalanced person.

Admit you were wrong, and stop telling BS about me and anyone who criticise you. All we are waiting is some technical reasoning to defend your proposals, but you only know how to insult.

If you insult me again please do it in the other thread. Write there your crap.
If you got a notice you were temporarily banned for 7 days, disregard that. We thought Marathon Man's complaint was for you posting in his thread. Your membership is active.
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While this is an open thread i choose to not post here except to confront your BS.
my thread is closed because of people like you that constantly attack me for no reason other than pissed off that i took your lousy 15 minutes of fame away.
you have been riding off your translation of the patent since 2012 and have done NOTHING since to promote the Figuera device. even your translation was wrong with missing translations and sentences. you have NO research of your own except the NN fields and that is it. your attempt at constructing the primaries and secondaries ended it a COMPLETE DISASTER and NOTHING WORKED. all the information i have was given to you but you have NO ability to understand it.
YOU ARE WRONG HANON.
all you do is post different patents in an attempt to fool people that you have your own research, in which you have NONE. you have even been to my research photos and graphs to many times to count copying my research because you don't have the ability to figure it out on your own. YES HANON I KNOW YOU VISIT MY RESEARCH ALMOST DAILY. talk about a HYPOCRITE TO THE THIRD DEGREE.

YOU ARE THE FRAUD HANON not me. every thing i post has come true. SO WHAT pert G needed a little tweek, WHO CARES.
you are JEALOUS like no tomorrow and can't stand it that I have pushed this device to the next level NOT YOU.
i get email's and pm's all the time about people saying YOU ARE WRONG and DO NOTHING TO PROMOTE THE DEVICE. all you bring to the table is a mouth full of BS.

LEAVE ME AND MY RESEARCH ALONE AND GET A LIFE. my thread is for people that agree with my findings. maybe not 100 % but they still agree and we are working together to complete this device.
all this thread does is bad mouth me with NO RESEARCH AT ALL. WOW ! now that is so sad and says a lot about you and the other thread members. YOU ARE SICK IN THE HEAD AND NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP.

I DON"T CARE ANYTHING ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SILLY BS AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ON MY THREAD OR MY FOLLOWERS.

so please stop EMBARRASSING YOUR SELF AND ENTERGETIC FORUM like you have been. try acting like an adult instead of a drama queen and get to work on this device.
DO NOT POST ON MY SITE IN RETALIATION. just get on with your life and quite being a COMPLETE COWARD if you can.

NOBODY WANTS YOU OR NEEDS YOUR BS especially on MY THREAD so please STOP THE BS TODAY, RIGHT NOW !
Please do not send us any more complaints because you disagree with someone. That is not the purpose for the option to report a post. If Hanon posts in your thread, that is a different story since Hanon was asked to not post there, but this is not your thread.
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I guess you guys are so confusing me, I don't know what the experiment is.
It is no wonder everyone is frustrated with the next man's viewpoint. It
would be very helpful if once in a while someone would take the time to
be generous enough to slow down to make clear.

I see all different designs which is commendable amounts of work and
everyone is building hardware. So the question is, who can show any
extra?

It looks like the waves overlap or cancel and this moves lenz out of the way
long enough to get something else?

I don't really know, so please explain the goal one more time.

If I could see an experiment that gives any extra I might consider it, but
all of this talk of who is the biggest and who has a screw loose makes
no never mind without the proof.
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Well, we see how you are. Trying to get rid of any different opinion to yours. Typical from dictators. I did not know you were working to get me banned from this forum.

Marathonman, you are an snake.

From now on you are for me SnakeMan.
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I see the opposite wound coils in so many inventors claims and
out of all of these threads I can't find one good video that shows me
that I would get some extra energy.

Yeah, I would be interested in seeing a real live device that works
and if this is not done then we all need to move on to something practical.

I see coils and more coils with no rhyme or reason why, I see endless
wiring patterns with all sorts of pulses, spaces, duration's, rest periods
it's ridiculousness. All good for an exercise I suppose.

People building devices that function should be so consumed for so long
that a repeated explanation will come second nature in order to shed
light on a subject. When the expression of basis of a working unit is not
present it makes people wonder if anyone building really knows what they
are looking for.

Re-inventing the wheel is a frustrated title of itself where the impossible
is done without any outside help and is a slam. In other words I must do
everything myself from scratch as I am getting no help. This is the
basic thought of the thread.

It is every man for himself and no one can tell me anything mainly
because no one understands the next man's reasoning.

It is a lost feeling coming out of the title, a free for all, every man on
his own with many boasting that they have all of the answers while
showing no proof.

If I have missed any ideas on this thread please feel free to show me
the error of my ways. For me a single demonstration could put it all to
bed but no one is able to deliver.












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Meanwhile we are waiting for the minute of truth to be reached in the forbidden thread we others have to search what is causing OU in the Figuera concept.

UFOpolitics have some wild idea about (quote)

"" Spatial Magnetic Field Fluctuations ,Wake up!!, main point here is that Virtual Fields Fluctuations Displacement DO Generate an Induction on Secondaries...""

Any wild idea HERE, guys??
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I see the opposite wound coils in so many inventors claims and
out of all of these threads I can't find one good video that shows me
that I would get some extra energy.

Yeah, I would be interested in seeing a real live device that works
and if this is not done then we all need to move on to something practical.

I see coils and more coils with no rhyme or reason why, I see endless
wiring patterns with all sorts of pulses, spaces, duration's, rest periods
it's ridiculousness. All good for an exercise I suppose.

People building devices that function should be so consumed for so long
that a repeated explanation will come second nature in order to shed
light on a subject. When the expression of basis of a working unit is not
present it makes people wonder if anyone building really knows what they
are looking for.

Re-inventing the wheel is a frustrated title of itself where the impossible
is done without any outside help and is a slam. In other words I must do
everything myself from scratch as I am getting no help. This is the
basic thought of the thread.

It is every man for himself and no one can tell me anything mainly
because no one understands the next man's reasoning.

It is a lost feeling coming out of the title, a free for all, every man on
his own with many boasting that they have all of the answers while
showing no proof.

If I have missed any ideas on this thread please feel free to show me
the error of my ways. For me a single demonstration could put it all to
bed but no one is able to deliver.












Hey BM,

This has to be the most coherent post I've seen from you. The new meds must be kicking in

Where did you get the pics? Your own? Russian blog? Did the guy run it and record output from secondary coil?

Thanks,

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