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Old 10-04-2012, 08:54 PM
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An open invitation, idea and furtherment concept for people interested in this field.

The overall idea - is that if you or a person you know has little time, family commitments, or due to advancing years can no longer build intensive fiddly projects, I will build them for a reasonable fee.

The idea came from an email sent by a good friend, Bobby, in which he raised such issues as the above and felt it to be a situation that could be addressed, by persons such as myself.
We're all here, reading, experimenting, taking notes of changes and advancements. But some have perhaps not the electronics skills or time to actually build what is being discussed.

As a background - My wife and I are struggling as many are. The ongoing lengthy battle with immigration fees and the expectations within has become one of inability to meet many costs. For example, a medcal appointment by the end of this month, our car is off the road with overheating issues, never mind simply the gas to get to Tulsa and back. An example of the odd demands, they want us to send a picture with my wife and I holding a newspaper to show the date. Our March 2007 Marriage Certificate is apparently not good enough.
We have 4 boarded up windows, no running water, no TV service, cellphones or much else and the internet/phone/electricity are hanging by a thread...the unemployment figures are down, because, we hear, people have given up looking. And that was within mainstream news, not alternative sources just yesterday ! What realistic chance has an Englishman to find employment, when many around believe jobs should only be with American born citizens ?
I don't qualify for anything and my wifes Food Stamp allowance is shared between us.
My wife has several medical issues and she at least needs the peace of mind that her prescriptions can be filled.

So things must change and, I believe this country can reshape and evolve by the concept of support for enterprising small business and the individuals within.
Innovations, creativity, the willingness to help others.
In that light, I formed Thortz Energy a couple of months ago. Intended to sell renewable energy products, There were very favorable reports from friends and work colleagues of a member here on this forum, whom a dozen lights were sent to. But, without the capital to buy the components for making the products, or to further refine it's fallen flat. Stupid huh, a couple of dollars of components per light and even there it can't compete with China. Never mind the fact that they run on Earth energy, no batteries, fresh clean 21st century products, Made in America.
Those inital products have been Earth Energy Garden Lights and an Earth Energy HeliPad.
Videos here:
Earth Energy Garden Lights - Free Energy Garden Lights - YouTube
Prototype HeliPad - HeliPad Prototype - YouTube
Kickstarter rejected the project and why? they never said, even on appeal. The lights were at that time called Free Energy Garden Lights. Free energy huh? doesn't exist.

Have I built for others before ? Yes.
This 6 coiler version of the Bedini 3PM energizer was built up for a member here and shipped to him: Bedini 6 coiler - YouTube
He supplied the parts, I built it.

My build quality has improved greatly over the past year and I hope I am in good standing with you guys here. You know me, i'm here and can answer any questions by PM or directly at any time.
Got a project you'd like to have built ? let's talk about it
If I have the parts, i'll build it. If I don't then we can work something out, i'm not going to fly off to the Bahamas.
Want to buy anything seen in my YouTube videos ? shoot me an offer


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Thanks for reading...let's move forward.
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:03 AM
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Hi Mark, I might send a little work your way. PM me and lets talk.
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:48 AM
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:07 AM
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Hi Slider
were on the same boat but just like you we tend to have a better life
The competition is tough with made in China just as Im planning to build solar lighting projects in my country comes cheap dirt China made solar products
So Now Im going for plan B my friends and relatives wanting to save energy bills who are more than willing to pay at whatever cost for their survival

My ideas I can share to you like for example kits , like Energycreator has done and some paypal donation accounts
circuit board designs with your electronics wizardry Recycling and how to videos
hope this help....

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I empathize with you...
We must continue doing what we think is best with the hope that the solution will come. Even if there is no light at the end of the tunnel, yet.
I feel that the answer to our prayers is right around the corner.

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Time to help out a good neighbor.

@ALL:
Fist let me start out my saying that anyone here that fully discloses their work and then offers that work as a finished product for sale ~ KUDOS. The Slider2732’s and John Bedini’s of the world are to be commended, as well as the majority of people that participate in these threads. The problem I have is the ones that come here claiming something special and want pay to release information.

I have purchased some of the “Earth Energy Garden Lights” from Slider and will tell you, it was worth every penny and more. These were high quality and professionally built. I gave 10 away to coworkers and friends with the caveat that they tell me what they thought about them. All responses were positive, but here are some of my favorites.

Gave one to a grandfather – 3 granddaughters with the oldest now taking an interest in doing science experiments with grandpa. The youngest two believe it is an alien ship sent to make certain they behave when visiting grandpa. Grandpa is thrilled.

Gave one to a CPA (certified public accountant) and one of my best friends. CPA’s are very analytical and when I explained to him what a blocking oscillator is and how the light works ~ you can see the delight on his face as he shows it off to others and explains how it works.

Gave one to a coworker who cares for an elderly parent. That elderly parent now goes out onto the porch every evening to check on the light when before, would not leave the house.

The point here is that everyone loves the lights, young, old, highly educated, and even me. I use mine to tell me when to water the house plants.

Life is way to short to not make lifetime friends and help out a good neighbor. The rewards will be far more valuable than the investment.

Slider ~ I apologize that we have not spoken for a while, but you know my trade and how busy this time is for me. Should lighten up soon though and look forward to reconnecting.

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Old 10-05-2012, 05:51 PM
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@Totoalas - I like the story of fine watches and what happened, seeing a parallel to my own view of future energy and the people within it. Also to your fine endeavours and wish to help those around discover a different mindset.

From: Swiss watches
"In the middle of the 19th century, America started mass production of watch components that were precise and compatible with a wide variety of watches. The effect of this on the Swiss export market was devastating as the export of Swiss watches to the US dropped by 75% in a span of 10 years. The Swiss had to regroup and let them to embark on the precision machining of Swiss watch parts."

There is our China link, the way the market changed.

"By the early 20th century, Swiss watchmakers, in order to make the Swiss watch more attractive to buyers, added extras such as calendars and stop watches. The first quartz Swiss watch was developed in 1967 but the Swiss failed to capitalise on the new technology opening the doors for Japan and the US to improve on the discovery.
The Swiss diverted most of thier effort in improving mechanical watches which proved to be another blunder as it destroyed the Swiss watch industry in the mid 1970's. The bottom fell out of the market for traditional watches."

Let's not be the Swiss of that time and ignore what is developing. We are exporting knowledge. Our experiments produce quartz type innovations all the time.
There is nothing wrong with Chinese mass manufacturing of what we have developed, think of it that way. If they push forward by being copycats, it would both help their economy and show that others are leading. We can produce the 'real' projects and products, China can spread the technology faster than we ever could. China then becomes an ally and how's that for a different take !

"Switzerland was no longer a major player as far as watches were concerned during this time but they fought back in an unusal and unexpected way. They called in a business consultant and came out with an idea that revolutionized the Swiss watch industry.
The consultant brought up the idea of marketing the Swiss watch as a fashion statement. The cheap electronic Swiss watch called Swatch has sold millions and put the country back to the top of the world's exporters in 1995. The success of the Swatch is credited with turning around the fortunes of the Swiss watch industry as a whole. It boosted confidence in Swiss watch making and showed the Swiss how to sell their products."

Expensive centralised systems won't work. Nuclear is only good til the next major X flare or major earthquake. I love the sound of a burbling V12 engine, but if a Tesla Roadster knocks the car it sits in for six then what really is going on ?
All just talk ? no. I'm sure if anyone shows a blocking oscillator (such as Lidmotor's 'Penny', Lasersaber's similar circuit or Zee2's uA oscillator), puts a piece of copper as positive electrode and chain link fencing as negative then sticks it in the ground...noone can tell you that isn't free light coming off that LED !
Then, just hold that same device in your hand and watch the LED begin to flash and ask how that circuit running and light flashing isn't free either !
Does it need millions of R+D research dollars to show that technology in action ? nope.

Well, that was a rant in the end lol, but change is what we are part of and China really has an infrastructure to offer us a large amount of help. Look what people are doing with the circuits from solar dancing flowers these days
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:03 PM
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@Nick - Oh there's a light at the end of the tunnel...and it's not an oncoming train light

@b_rads - Thank you so much for the Beta testing and for being so helpful. The lights and other earth energy products are fully intended to be furthered and built, when times improve.
The stories of the lights, even so far, have been a joy to read and i'm overwhelmed by those positive results. Please do forward my fondest regards to the elderly parent...that is so heartwarming to have helped produce intrigue and fun little trips to the porch
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:24 PM
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Slider,

I can relate to your situation, experienced similar myself.

I am finishing off the design for an AC electrode boiler steam dump valve which will hopefully be released in pictorial form this weekend and a youtube video of a working prototype soon thereafter. Time permitting.

The parts I needed to finish the prototype arrived today so I will be putting it together asap. I have a surplus of the necessary parts, collected over time from many different prototype designs. I will perform all custom work requiring tooling (minimal thread cutting). PM me where to send them and I will send them, no obligation, no cost to you. If you can replicate my system by building it yourself you can do whatever you want with it, sell it if you wish. If you do replicate successfully and sell it to help ends meet, I will send you another set of duplicate parts for yourself.

That is my promise to you, pending successful prototyping of course. However, as most of my stuff is built upon known technologies, I have little doubts about it working, it's just a matter of tuning at this point.

Let me know if that offer interests you,

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Old 10-05-2012, 08:35 PM
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Setup an ebay account and post your lights this will give you a paypal account that can be used to interact without paying for a website.
There are some that could donate a small amount to help, I know you didnt ask but there are some great folks here who would help.
10 dollars times 100

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Old 10-05-2012, 09:32 PM
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Thanks Slider
Just to add on more ideas for BEGINNER REPLICATOR ON A STRING BUDGET
Ive spent alot from 2009 since ive joined this forum and only 2011 had my 1ar usable replication SLAYER SJR AND MINOLY FOR HOME LIGHTING BATTERY CHARGING
your expertise will come in handy that will be cost saving for anyone on a budget SO REPLICATORS AND NEWBIES HERE IS SLIDER THE MCGYVER OF ENERGETIC FORUM
GOOD LUCK AND MEMBERS KEEP IT FLOWING

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Old 10-06-2012, 12:50 AM
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@Rob - Very interesting, very worthwhle too. I hope to see that project in action !
I've got a problem here though, no running water and our boiler hasn't for quite some while lol, so ermmm. However, having been recently quite involved with the Davey bells system i'm intrigued by this. I'll know better when you do the YouTube video. Thank you very much for the offer in any case

@Dave45 - That was indeed part of the plan for anything coming from Thortz Energy.
However, without the funds to build up more finished lights or refine the HeliPad, things crunched to a standstill (lights to sell at $5, HeliPad for $20 until 'picked up' and made to compete better with China with mass production).
Btw, the HeliPad features a USB input for the power rods section. The power rods are intended to be used across a range of Earth energy products and feature 1 Positive electrode, 4 Negative electrodes. Kinda novel. Different Thortz Energy devices could then plug into it, just like we use USB ports traditionally. Only now, it's free energy.
That was after the Kickstarter debacle, where, funds are supposed to be used to kickstart such a venture. People would get their products and onward would go repeat orders, R+D, new lines and a renewable energies 21st century business would be off to a good start.

@Totoalas - LOL, McGyver. A piece of tinfoil, some chewing gum and a couple of coils..uhuh, maybe
Thanks for your encouraging comments !
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I though that this video might be helpful in these times...

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Old 10-06-2012, 07:19 PM
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Hi Slider,

The Peter Davey bells were quite significant to me, because they led to the Savic sonic boiler, which is when I discovered AC electrode boilers. It did not take me long to realise that the infrastructure I designed for DC hybrid turbines was suitable for AC without modification. This actually solved some very difficult problems I was having with the original SEC design, which was completely redesigned as a result.

The integration of a dump valve onto an AC electrode boiler is something I was thinking about as a logical next step in development as a self governed steam injector for a turbine.

The main application I intend for it is based around a system I am developing for the 3rd World, the basic premise is light a fire to create a static steam head of pressure, desalinating the salt and impurities, which can then run a Pulsometer for land irrigation. Eventually I am aiming to run a steam turbine with the salt free water, which when condensed at the exhaust will provide drinking water as well as electricity from the PMA. So basically it is a low tech system requiring only an open fire to grow food, heat, provide electricity and drinking water. The use of seawater instead of drinking water from the underground aquifers solves the problem farmers are experiencing with a falling water table in places such as India.

The difficulty for me is in the "off the shelf" parts for the Everyman principle, a custom designed system is easy, just needs lot's of money. But hey, I like a challenge!

The AC electrode dump valve gives me easy on/off control of the heat source for prototyping and kills two birds with one stone for the Davey/Savic system. Later I can build upon the basics to integrate functions such as superheating steam for maximum power of the turbine to PMA conversion, and implementing a gasifier instead of an open fire for efficiency of fuel consumption.

If the planned destruction of modern civilisation continues at current pace it will be a system for the 1st World as well as the 3rd...

Leave it with me, I will get there, and when I do get there I will provide you with the materials to join me.

Peace brother...

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Yer not kidding ! But, if you put a nice plastic surround on it, a few blue LED's and a name like 'Apple' on the front, they'd sell here anyway.

Ya know, it reminds me of a system I came up with back in the mid 90's, the Camping Generator. Only loosely of course, but with similar aims.
Here's a quick pic of where I was up to, lot of fun sticking the prototype on the electric cooker and lighting bulbs:

Readable larger version: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a129/slider27/TCC.jpg

It was around the time of the wranglings with an alledged inventors help company that advertised on TV. I've mentioned this before, but it's pertinent to the thread. I used them for The Electronic Book and was at Patent Form 10/77 when all broke down. Didn't get past the first stages of the Patent application, but it's still there as some kind of intellectual property history and is shown on the following page:
Espacenet - Bibliographic data

Here it is, 15 years later: Kindle - Best-Selling Ereader - Only $69
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I hear ya man!

I looked into the "inventor help" companies as an option when formulating strategy, I rejected them for the exact reason you have demonstrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XYZ97izIdA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en2UeWw5FXQ

Look at the wasted energy in that cloud of steam. By manipulating phase change principles and the different properties of water as a liquid and gas I am attempting to virtually eliminate that waste. Efficiency will hugely increase as a result and added benefits such as increased mass flow through the engine will be incorporated. My eventual Everyman system should be quite interesting...

Not to mention data still to come in from the community on my other work, the implications of which is potentially... interesting...

Time is an issue for me at the moment, I don't have enough of it.

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Automatic Pressure Differential Governed Dump Valve

Here is what I am working on Slider:

Wood Gasification

I'll send you one when it is confirmed to work.

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a circut

Hi Mark, I like this thread since I have very little time and knowledge in many area's .
I would like a circut that is similar to pulse charging, I'm not sure how that even works
I'd like to charge caps ,then pulse electro-magnets with them.
I'd charge the caps with my own generator, and it would be nice if I could power the circut as well.
Pretty vague I know ,but I hope you get the idea.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:34 AM
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@Rob - Very cool. I've an interest in steam projects and especially the Traction engines of the UK. Once owned a tabletop steam engine as a kid and i'd like to understand even Stirling engines a bit more. Will read your link properly in the morning. I've seen trucks and cars running on wood and it's always been of interest. The Tesla turbine is another that, as you said, can suffer from steam leakage heavily...hmm, something for the future most certainy.

@Shylo - I think I see what you mean lol. Much depends on the driving power. For small such setups there is the SS1CC from sMartcreations2010 that sounds similar, or something like Lidmotor's 'Penny'. Both are on YouTube. Larger may include the Bedini solid state version of the SSG motor. Feel free to PM me and we can chat about your envisaged system...there might be something out there already that suits what you have in mind and then it would be a simple enough replication.
Pulse charging mostly is used to describe a system that doesn't supply voltage and current constantly to a battery or capacitor. Instead, the output of perhaps a collapsing coil is used every time a transistor fires. The firing energizes the coil, the transistor stops, the collapse is routed to the battery or capacitor. If a bridge rectifier is used (4 diodes) then the sent out energy can't come back to the circuit. It charges with those blips of energy, pulsed each time the circuit fires and in so doing the voltage and current rise.
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RotoMax Phase Change Hybrid Turbine

Slider...

I have moved a little beyond basic steam engines, I have worked for many years on designing a new breed of hybrid turbine engine that operates on phase change principles... it potentially will use 4 working fluids, HHO, steam, ambient temperature liquid water, and air. All 4 fluids will be injected sequentially within a single rotation of the rotor and perform specific complimentary functions with rotor efficiency approaching 100% due to the elimination of back pressure.

The dump valve injector I have offered to send you a working model of is the first stage in the actual build of my 4" micro RotoMax, here is the housing I will be using:

BSPP 150 LB Equal Cross | 4.00" BSPP 150LB EQ CROSS 316 | stainless steel

I am no longer doing any theoretical development, purely concentrating on build with off the shelf parts, I intend to demonstrate my phase change hybrid engine one day.

If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask, I will help you if I can.

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So where can I buy an earthlight? ebay?
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I know you answered that, but surely you can do them on a per order basis until things pick up? edit: and once they do, it would make a great "sciency" thing at Toys r Us etc.
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Hi Regster.

I hope Aaron is ok with prices being mentioned, if not, i'll edit and direct to PM me.
It's wise to post though, in case people think i'm some rip off rogue !

I'll be setting up a website as a forward direction and needed thing to do (something like Lasersaber has and thanks to b_rads for the initial setting up).
Got half a dozen made and parts for a dozen more at the moment.
$6 each, including postage to the CONUS.
Kits for building the circuit for $4 - including transistor, 2x capacitors, resistor, superbright LED, pre-tinned wiring to the correct length for LED and input connections and 6" galvanized steel and house gauge new copper electrodes, circuit diagram and instructions.
New components will be included where possible, but at the moment I salvage mostly from what I have, selecting and testing the highest hFE transistors etc as I go. For example using C1815-GR over C1815-Y designation.
An 'Unlisted' YouTube private video will be made for any order, to show the exact lights or kits being ordered, for peace of mind and verificaton that it's what you ordered.. Ordering is fine for any quantity, from 1.
Payments by Paypal to cougarloverjrv@yahoo.com for the moment (wife's account due to being a USA citizen and the name is from being a John Mellencamp fan, not a predatory middle aged woman lol)

Each takes about 2hrs to make and the price is fair, without a thought to any wage. Though, the wish is to have them mass made to bring them in line with Chinese solar setups.
Shipping will always be at cost for any larger order, can be verified when order arrives on your doorstep - when things straighten out !
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Hi Mark,
I sent you a PM.
I found your camping generator to be quite interesting for I have been thinking along these similar lines for some time. I have an idea that may work well along side of your generator. Perhaps we can bump heads on this a bit in the future.
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Being unemployed and without perspective for any job I have crazy idea. Why not invent a light source for third countries but novel one in many aspects and then find a way to produce it and distribute by the help of some humanitarian organization like UNESCO ? Of course we will be employed to improve , develop and assembly devices from parts with salary partly based on actual assembly work but also partly as a license kind of fee. At least I had a hope something like that is possible....
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Wireless Electrolysis

Hi Slider,

I see solar led garden lights in the £ shop all the time over here in the UK, so it is pretty hard to compete with that.

Maybe a niche market catering specifically to the energy research community would be more helpful to you.

For example, I need wireless electrolysis for my experiments and TK recently invented a very effective way of doing this:

Wireless Power: Wireless DC Electrolysis Demo First Trial - YouTube

Testing the TK Tar Baby

The circuit he uses has been open sourced and it is not expensive parts wise, so if your interested let me know and I will try and dig through the thread and find the schematic and parts list.

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@Gene - Thanks, yes, have replied
The Camping Generator has a place and does work. A ceramic casing to the motor was where I was up to with it. Very simple thing really, an electrical steam engine.

@boguslaw - Indeed and very much a drive for me too. A lot of people here have the wish to rebalance the world society, make it a fairer world without politics and banks stomping on progress. It's up to us, for them and for ourselves. While there may not be true overunity devices around, there are certainly a lot of efficient circuits to help many people with the basics of light and heat.
For another thread, we could do a list of devices with parameters. The least energy required, cost to build, ampleness of supplies and more. Something like a Top 10 for each criteria and leading designs would have the most points. Something lke the way that distrowatch.com handles Linux operating systems. From those results, the leading design is built and distributed.

@Rob - Intriguing, especially the effect to the neo magnet in the jar !
I've been following Dr. Stiffler's videos on YouTube and his SEC versions of something similar. Science kits of such experiments would be a good route once the effects and observations have been collated. Interestingly, the pancaked coiled copper has been how i've been running Earth energy collector experiments, for surface area.

Must mention, the China factor. People over here in the USA complain about nothing being 'Made in America'. But, when it is, they find it's cheaper from China and so buy it from there !
Look at todays story of the success of the iPhone 5 and how the Foxxconn factory is having labour issues with the Chinese workers !
As Millions Buy iPhone 5, Chinese Workers at Apple Plant Foxconn Protest Work Conditions | NationofChange
The Chinese people, quite rightly, are demanding fair conditions.
If Apple won't invest in America and help to create a Silicon Valley 2.0 for pioneering innovation, then what's the message ?!
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Hi Regster.

I hope Aaron is ok with prices being mentioned, if not, i'll edit and direct to PM me.
It's wise to post though, in case people think i'm some rip off rogue !

I'll be setting up a website as a forward direction and needed thing to do (something like Lasersaber has and thanks to b_rads for the initial setting up).
Got half a dozen made and parts for a dozen more at the moment.
$6 each, including postage to the CONUS.
Cheers, would you post to the UK?

btw, just because solar lights sell cheaply here/there doesn't mean this isn't a cool product that can demand a higher markup. Look at this piece of crap that was for sale in Toys r Us....

Science Museum My Mystery Mid Air Floating UFO: Amazon.co.uk: Toys & Games

.... which is literally a piece of cardboard that you suspend between your hands with two pieces of string!?!?!?! I'm sure it was £14.99 in TrU!?!?!?!

Your light is infinitely more interesting.
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