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Old 11-24-2012, 02:43 PM
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Tell us more please. How are they 'powering their homes' ?
normally, they use a small solar panel (20 watt) and a car battery for storage. Lots of people Don't power their homes at all, and they regularly ask for some sort of system to "light a few lights, maybe a radio"

Something int he 5-10 watt range, especially connected to a battery for storage, would be just the thing for these folks.

Anyone know of any energy devices that can do that?
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:35 PM
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normally, they use a small solar panel (20 watt) and a car battery for storage. Lots of people Don't power their homes at all, and they regularly ask for some sort of system to "light a few lights, maybe a radio"

Something int he 5-10 watt range, especially connected to a battery for storage, would be just the thing for these folks.

Anyone know of any energy devices that can do that?
That's strange.What kind of light they want to power from 5-10W power source ? LED bulbs are quite costly.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:18 PM
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They use small CFL or LEDs. 10 watts all day long is 240 watts a day, and they need lights for about 4-5 hours a day, so they could use about 50 watts an hour
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:08 PM
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Thanks all

@Gene - Please do email either here or at my slider2732@yahoo.com email address. Thanks for your feedback. Might I call on you for a small testimony write up when I get that section of the website sorted out ?

@Vela - I need to email you some details. Am especially interested in the magazine article
But also in helping the push there in Mexico for usable energy solutions.
Yes this can be scaled. I'm working on a summing system that does work already and...well...here's how to do it.

Warning - Open Source follows

Soil will give 0.7V and around 200uA, from a 6" piece of mains cable type copper and a similar piece of chain link fencing. It's all the same electrolyte, so we're stuck with just that output ?
Nope.


Make a few of the circuits as shown in the video: Thortz Energy Garden Light kit - build video - YouTube
(there are better circuits that i'm working on, but the above works for this as well as for the garden lights)
Put 1 decent copper electrode in the ground...2ft deep, biggest surface area as possible (will work with a little 2" piece of house mains cable but the amperage increases with surface area).
Put as many pieces of galvanized steel chain link fencing in the ground as you have oscillators. 6" length straight pieces work.
Connect each oscillator to the copper and each Negative input to each steel rod.
Instead of an LED on the end of the circuit this is how to sum:
Put a 1N4148 diode forward facing from the Collector of the transistor.
Connect a 10uF or so capacitor to the diode and to the Negative input of the circuit.
Use simple wire joins to each capacitor of each oscillator output.
The summed outputs can then be collected in a main storage supercap or other large value capacitor.

Using the approach above, I made 6 summed oscillators 2 weeks ago. I used a pot of soil that was brought into the house. That setup is still running without any added water and keeps a 27000uF capacitor filled to 7.5V. Charge up time can be hours, but it's just 6 oscillators in a small tub of dirt!
More circuits, stronger output.

This system is called "Earth Energy System 2012", EES 2012.
Next year will be EES 2013, year after will be EES 2014 etc.
1 oscillator has an LED, as per a conventional Garden Light. That LED shows you when water may need to be applied or the prongs cleaned. A natural system, the LED fading off or flashing slower being the indicator.
Maintenance merely extends to removing the bank of prongs every now and again for a rub down with harsher fibers type kitchen roll. Every week or so will keep them running, just like the Garden Lights (5 of which have been on continual test since July in our backyard). Omitting that maintenance will mean the use of a medium grade sandpaper, but even so, no corrosion will be seen for a very long time. Copper degrades in soils, if left fallow with no maintenance.
The chain link fencing is used because the section in our backyard has been exposed to the elements for about 10 years and some has been underground the whole time...showing no pitting or decay and is what is used within the Garden Light kits. Such fencing can also be sourced for free from old demolished buildings, industrial unit areas etc...very common.
The system will work the other way around, 1 steel and many copper pieces, but for cost effectiveness 1 copper piece is preferred.
Plans include the building of a 100 oscillator system outside, then 1000. Funding/parts are presently being sorted through to enable the 100. I'm scrabbling about for the bits at the moment.
Future plans include the LSI approach for a chip of oscillators. A ZIF socket will allow the chip to be inserted or replaced with an upgrade as time goes on and run data comes in. The prongs approach may be changed to strips on vertical boards. A connecting panel will be produced, allowing easy connection of USB devices and, one day, mains powered appliances through a converter/inverter. Tesla tower and other devices will enable wireless and 1 wire systems to be fed from the outdoor system.

Here are a couple of pics of the 2 week runner.


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Old 11-26-2012, 12:12 AM
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very interesting! So, to get up to 5 watts continuous power, how many units are we looking at?
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:30 PM
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Truthfully, I have no idea yet. That's where the oscillator quantity building comes in
If each oscillator produces a constant 0.7V and 200uA then is summed, we're looking at rapid supercap and battery storage to meet the demand. Each oscillator final field collapse output is the Wattage maths.
Here are the initial charge figures for the prior shorted 27000uF cap, from 6 oscillators.
03.23am 0.000V
03.25am 0.100V
03.30am 0.220V
03.35am 0.329V
03.40am 0.425V
03.45am 0.528V
03.53am 0.673V
04.08am 0.912V
11.30am 4.36V
03.00pm 4.60V
03.23pm 4.69V
Roughly and approximately 1V per hour for a 27000uF cap, with a loss of charge rate the higher the voltage.
However, rapid charging to higher voltage values is enabled with extra oscillators connected to the same cap.
Constants versus peaks is an area for real world testing.
LAB storage or other batteries are one route. Where power isn't fully used, the extra is stored til needed.
What may happen is that peak demand could be 20W for 30 minutes, but constant running may be 5W. Disconnect all powered devices for an hour and we're back to the peak demand total.
Most people don't have a constant drain, instead peaks and almost zero's. 6pm in Winter may be intensive, but 4am on a Sunday morning in summer may see very different run criteria...as in nearly every home.
For small devices that need infrequent charging, like cellphones, the peak demand is the built up charge during the day before you plug it in for a charge at night.
In that way, the system becomes tailored to need and runs in a normal natural daily cycle. Being a 24hr generator, it copes by natural peaks and drops of demand and so cuts the unit need for a calculated amount of individual oscillators.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:49 PM
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Hi Mark,
I have been real busy here with the snow, and it's our deer season now so taking care of the meat.
I would be glad to write a testimony for Thortz Energy, just let me know when and how.
I will be posting a PM to you latter today or tomorrow, so please watch for it.
Regards, Gene
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:10 PM
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:11 AM
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They use small CFL or LEDs. 10 watts all day long is 240 watts a day, and they need lights for about 4-5 hours a day, so they could use about 50 watts an hour
Hi
my joule ringer 1.0 limited to 200 ma output and set @ 160 mA on photocell activation used 10 pieces of 220 v ac led 5 watt lamps and had been running for the past 7 months without human intervention
1 10 watts monocrystalline panel and one 7 ah sla 12 v dc battery
lights are 70 % @ 200 mA @ 160 m A good to see your way thru in comaprison to candles tendency to burn your house ....... had been used in chest deep flood and 1 week continuos rain without any hassle
this circuit had been tested 24 hours switched on even in cloudy weather for one week.......
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:55 AM
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That's a great sounding solution and i've been watching your vids on YouTube
I'd do the same, but only have 5W total of panels, spread out, here and there lol


Been doing some updates on the Thortz Energy site.
Thortz Energy
I noticed a horrid scewed colour problem on the logo but only in Firefox (usual browser here being Chromium), so that's been addressed.
Paypal is now set up for the purchases and Donations areas.
I'll be taking the big logo area off all but the Home page.
Circuits will be added in a one stop list area, for all own developed systems and probably the common ones seen online, with credits where due.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:36 AM
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Thumbs up Great Fun

Recently Slider made his (SWES) Simple Wireless Electricity System available on his website. I got mine a week ago and have had a blast playing with it since. This project really gets the fun meter going. Here is a short video showing some of the fun I have had.
Wireless Electricity Toys
Slider, any ideas on how I can scale this up to 5 volts and run off my USB port on the computer?

Thanks,
Brad S
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:09 PM
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Brad, that is such the showcase video
It's completely the idea I had for the system. To be easy to comprehend, be completely real because you can see the wireless energy transfer for yourself at low cost and then it gets the mind going on what else can be done with own experiments. Superb !
In fact, I would like to add that video to the website, if you would be fine with that

Yes, USB powering is a project at the moment, though was sat at the back til you mentioned. It 'should' be a relatively easy thing of adding a resistor to the Base of the transistor and then using a small cap across that resistor to bring the power down, blocking oscillator style.
The PC for the oscilloscope project is set up and i'll use that for testing (that project didn't work out quite right because other than Puppy type linux i've been limited with RAM for running a live CD and i've no experience with anything newer than XP for Windows).
I've built little desktop flying things before now though, so the 500mA limit is really no problem for safety. It just has to be definitely always under that figure by a large margin because I don't want to blow anyones PC up.
Also, not many people these days use just 1 device via the USB ports, so it really should be well under 100mA.
Here's a USB powered, tethered, desk helicopter I did some years back: USB Tethered Chopper - YouTube


Say, BIG NEWS - I've received a letter that says 'Welcome to America' !!!

Also a card saying 'Permanent Resident'

Looks like the immigration woes are finally sorted and that really is great news.
Must say, the California office were so much quicker than Chicago and they only took about 3 weeks to sort through and assess the latest round of paperworks, the medical I had to have and other details that they wanted.
It's real - Thortz Energy can now fully forward products that are 'Made in America'.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:05 AM
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That must ba a huge relief

Mark
Very good thats over with,I know it was a rediculously stressfull
time for you,Congratulations to you and "yours", may the rest of your life be the best of your life.......

Chet
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I hope to get this putor updated soon so I can see your vids,
Almost done building the new shop Too [gonna get some builds going ]
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Also a card saying 'Permanent Resident'

Looks like the immigration woes are finally sorted and that really is great news.
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Slider's Valve

Hi Slider,

My apologies for the delay in getting back to you.

The valve I promised you is coming along nicely, I am uploading the video to Youtube.

Slider's Valve - YouTube

I wanted to show you the internals before it all gets sealed up and tested, and hopefully should testing go well and the valve functions as expected I'll pop it in the post if your still interested.

Hope you and your family are well.

Rob
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Old 09-23-2013, 02:47 AM
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:12 PM
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So, look at what happened... He obtained legal U.S. residency, and looked for work... Now, we may never hear from him again!
Happens to the best of us.

Slider... where are you?
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You can connect with Slider through his YouTube videos. He responded to one 5 days ago there.

slider2732 - YouTube

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Old 09-25-2013, 05:40 AM
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So, look at what happened... He obtained legal U.S. residency, and looked for work... Now, we may never hear from him again!
Happens to the best of us.

Slider... where are you?
Nick_Z
i heard from him!

maybe he's not spending so much time on the forums though.
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