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Old 10-11-2012, 05:37 PM
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Slider's light is infinitely more interesting to me, and you, than a solar powered led light from China... but it is not infinitely more interesting to 99.9% of the population who do not understand it, and have no desire to do so.

A product such as a wireless DC transmitter would demand a much higher price while catering to the needs of the community. Should China decide they want a piece of that pie then it would be mass produced and start appearing on the shelves, disseminating the technology far and wide, which would be a good thing for this community...

If you cannot compete with vast economic power you must stay one step ahead of it, and this is something the community can do, becoming a driving force of technological evolution and innovation.

Just my view, feel free to disagree.

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Old 10-11-2012, 07:19 PM
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If you cannot compete with vast economic power you must stay one step ahead of it, and this is something the community can do, becoming a driving force of technological evolution and innovation.

Just my view, feel free to disagree.

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@Rob, while this statement is very true, for many it is also very frustrating. My wife is a vendor in the Arts & Crafts circuit and does several shows a year. Due to licensing her product is not replicated by others without license, but we see others stuff copied all the time. Someone will introduce a new product that sells extremely well and by the next show, several vendors are peddling their version of that new product. Those people do not even have the courtesy of purchasing the product from the person who came up with the idea, they will sketch, photograph, etcetera the item and sell it cheaper than the original at the next opportunity. It is such a shame for the person with the original idea, but it is the way the marketplace works. I know Slider has spent considerable time developing his products, possibly selling on ebay or a private site where quantities sold is somewhat private would be a good direction for the short term. Once a product is shown to have consumer appeal, it will be duplicated and sold at a price that the originator cannot compete with.

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Old 10-11-2012, 08:49 PM
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Very valid Rob, no problems from me about your outloook.
To me, that is the delightful paradox of the experiments we all do. To be copied, emulated, beaten at the sale price point by a mass marketing concern has its joys in this field. Most people have no wish to sell anything and for some, those of better financial means perhaps, it can be a relaxing weekend hobby affair of learning and gaining insight into interesting projects.
We have little chance of shaking the masses off the corporate tree of micro progressions, like PC's, cellphones, WiFi technologies...so a push is a marvellous thing. I'm of the opinion that what we see on the shelves of Walmart certainly did not leave the R+D departments last month as their latest and greatest. If the latest and greatest were the situation, several huge conglomerates would live or die by their latest product. Market timing is more likely the way it goes.

There is an unwitting alliance in the nefarious replication arena. One wihich a 'one trick pony' would suffer from, but not neccessaily being the same case for generally inventive types. Having a license is a great fend off and knowing of your wife's business Brad, that area needs to have such safeguards. I don't think that future energy needs require such protection...more that it needs expansion by the very means that normally throttles other ideas.


I must mention an omission that i'm embarrasingly guilty of so far in this thread, that is the help and support of Prof Steve Jones. Without whom, I wouldn't have had the same confidence levels in projects currently underway. He has tested the garden lights, along with Brad, and been of such a supportive kind and helpful nature...along with Brad
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:41 PM
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@rob: I strongly disagree. I am one of the 99.99%. I don't believe anything unless I see it and I can see this.

I wouldn't discount the feelings of the 99.99% just because we do not believe anything some random guy says. I think you'll find that we are receptive of demonstrable stuff. Like these lights. That will (if my Googling is correct) keep functioning for decades.

Now THAT is f**king great stuff. Particularly if someone found the way to harness the combined power of these energy collectors. Imagine this....



.... festooned with 1,000,000 of these lights!!! Imagine this...



... surrounded by 1,000,000 floating lights!!!

And imagine a child, or an adult child (yes, we are) planting something in the ground and see-ing... seeing SOMETHING. Seeing something that will plant a seed that will grow in a way greater than the seeds planted by the even best teachers could possible hope for.....

"What if?"
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:46 PM
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@slider2732: you might have missed the international shipping thing. To be honest I'd much, much rather you priced this as a sciency project thing than anything that would get you working at a loss.

Think about it... When priced so that you make a wage, it doesn't matter if you sell one or 1,000. You're making a profit. Do ebay, do amazon. If YOU are making a wage then someone else can make a wage if/when it gets bigger. Forget China. Do China (if you like) if/when the time comes, but don't let silly stuff hold you back.

And if you can't be arsed with the hassle of selling to the UK I, of course, understand.

edit: and if any of that comes across as anything other than positive then that is not my intention.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:06 PM
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Haha no problem Regster and, yes, sorry I completely missed your post, being the last one on the other page

I can ship anywhere that the Post Office can, it's just that VFM would start to suffer. If someone wanted to pay the shipping, then i'd ship to the undisclosed folks on Mars if they wanted !
(Ramble time - that takes some thinking about but they do say that black budget technologies are years ahead...and we already have shiny metal pieces being found on the surface by Curiosity...or bits of the rover are falling away if we take NASA's theory on it. Anyway, if it was part of the rover then I hope they keep scooping and finding more bits of rover. Once those shiny bits total above the total weight of Curiosity then NASA will have to rethink their excuse. Personally, I hope they live stream the scoopings and discover a Coke can).
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:15 AM
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No worries, I've just sent some money... is that enough?

btw the whole posting a YouTube vid every time you made a light wouldn't be necessary if you just used ebay or Amazon. It's obviously hilariously unlikely that you'd spend this much time on a forum like this just to rip someone off for a few sheckles. What you can't do here is build a reputation/history.

And when push comes to shove, although I wouldn't mind touching one of these gizmos, if you really have issues with sending stuff back home (to the home of the rightful monarchy of the UK that is) then I wouldn't mind if you planted a couple of them in a place where children and/or old people hang out near you.

edit: but I would like to see a video of that... as in the placement.
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:22 AM
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Hey cheers Paul, i'll PM you, there have been some comical postage calculations ! But I will post them

I fully agree about reputation and whatnot. Am intending to get going on the website side to things while there's interest in sales. Can showcase up and coming prototype products for feedback too.
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:48 PM
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Wireless Floating Lightbulbs

Ok, some people agree with me and some don't, that's fine.

I have grabbed a few ideas and put them together to show you the potential I see in my personal outlook.

Take the principle of wireless power transmission, here the first replication done by TK of Marco's system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PHea4pIaG0

Combine it with the principle the voice coil operates on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXKLa8vyIXc

A version of which is also being discussed here currently:

UFO levitating magnet - YouTube

What you will end up with is a wireless powered floating lightbulb. I don't think anybody is selling floating lightbulbs yet, so opportunity there for the little guy. Should it be copied and mass manufactured cheaply then the technology would spread rapidly, which quite annoyingly for the little guy would cut him out of the market as mentioned, and he would have to move onto a new product. It's not a perfect solution I know, but it would steer technological development in the way you want it to go.

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Old 10-12-2012, 01:42 PM
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Fellows
Some of the best men on the planet here.
Very Good to see this "bouncing Ideas around"

Mark
Your plight torments me no end ,Have you ever considered relocating to the east Coast {NYC area]? you have A gift that needs a venue!
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Thx for the recent info ,Will touch base Manana.

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Old 10-13-2012, 04:52 PM
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I hadn't considered it, though at this time am open to such ideas.
Main thing for my wife and I is that we own our house outright and so any move would be difficult.
Was part of the moving criteria from Minnesota, this one costing 13K in 2008. We got rid of the mortgage on the other with the sale and were able to buy in full. We did however get what we paid for, but do intend to fix it up...and always have.
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:18 PM
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just found your contact

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I completely understand,I just sent you a contact.
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circut

Hi Mark, I found this circut , I think this might be what I'm looking for, but I don't understand its' operation.
Monitor caps and dump to batteries?
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:13 PM
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Have you thought about selling home made oscilloscopes? the ones that connect to a PC? You could sell them complete with USB sound card. Lots of people don't have a scope it seems, but really could use this. Well, at least I'd definitely buy one from you.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:17 AM
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Hi Shylo,
As I understand the circuit, it's in 3 sections. The first section sets up a transistor and MOSFET pulsing, that pulsing then goes to the second section contained in the middle, via an isolation LED send and receive block...basically seperating the output of the first section from the middle section.
That middle section is a flip flop,. alternately firing one side and then the other side of itself. Such circuts can be found in railroad crossings, to make the red lights alternately flash.
The output pulses of that section then cross once again via another LED send and receive block, to the third section.
That third section is a copy really of the first one, but here we have a motor included on the output. On both sections 1 and 3 are capacitors which charge up with each energising of the transistor/MOSFET stage and release the energy when the section has finsihed firing, back into the batteries.
Much would depend on my interpretatioon of the I/R LED seperator stages, with the thoughts on power handling being a concern. They may not be I/R isolation stages though.

Hey wonza...interesting idea. I've heard of them, but never seen a circuit diagram of one. Well, not yet lol, I have a feeling that may change. If it can be built with readily available parts then heck, why not
I'd like to build and test such a thing myself, because my Protek 6502 seems to only sense AC mains hum right now ! I know they'll probably have an upper limit of 20kHz or so, due to soundcard input, but is that the type you mean ?


Working on the website at the moment. Filling 2 orders and uploading a video for one of them.
Bonus Bags are something i'm wishing to gauge interest about. With any order at the moment i'll be sending out random components parts that I know I find useful and that you guys may too. Transistors, MOSFET's, HV caps, ferrite toroids, LED's, resistors, that sort of thing. Completely free, as a thanks.
Much more info when I get the website sorted in the next few days
Thanks again to Aaron, for allowing this thread for direction discussions.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:57 PM
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Hey wonza...interesting idea. I've heard of them, but never seen a circuit diagram of one. Well, not yet lol, I have a feeling that may change. If it can be built with readily available parts then heck, why not
I'd like to build and test such a thing myself, because my Protek 6502 seems to only sense AC mains hum right now ! I know they'll probably have an upper limit of 20kHz or so, due to soundcard input, but is that the type you mean ?
John Stone posted on UFO's RE thread:
My Motors got me to Tap into Radiant Energy

It seems pretty simple to make, but if you bundle it with a soundcard you've tested, maybe even burn the software onto CD too, I'm sure you'd get lots of people interested.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:00 PM
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Thanks for the info
That is a project on the must do list. I've got Xubuntu Linux here and have no idea of anything above Windows XP (BIOS on this PC says 2002). But have found an oscilloscope piece of software in the Ubuntu Software Center. There are a few PCI soundcards out in my shed
It could turn out that the gear is too old for modern PC's, or, that it gives another use for an old spare PC that people may have.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:12 AM
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Thanks for the info
That is a project on the must do list. I've got Xubuntu Linux here and have no idea of anything above Windows XP (BIOS on this PC says 2002). But have found an oscilloscope piece of software in the Ubuntu Software Center. There are a few PCI soundcards out in my shed
It could turn out that the gear is too old for modern PC's, or, that it gives another use for an old spare PC that people may have.
You can get USB sound cards for peanuts on ebay: USB 2 0 to 3D Audio Sound Card Adapter Virtual 5 1 CH Green | eBay

If you let me know how much you'd charge to build the adapter +labor +postage I'd buy one from you.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:19 PM
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Wow, amazing deal that !
I noted they don't support Linux, so had a hunt around for discussions about such devices. This looks promising: HOWTO: USB Audio device - Ubuntu Forums
In any case, i'm going to have a go at all this as a weekend project, now that the 2 orders so far were posted out today.
Can probably get a spare system board to run XP (PIII processor) and i'll see what the oscilloscopes are like on that. Then see if the Linux side to it works.

If I have the bits here and I get a Windows version running, then you'd just pay postage. Sure I value my time and parts, but I also value being given the heads up about something like this and will have learned something very useful.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:27 PM
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I want one too!

Slider, you get the o-scope working, put me down for one. I have an older laptop I would even be willing to reload with linux. PM me if you need parts or anything to get started on this project.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:34 PM
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Thanks Brad, maybe i'll start on this right away then !
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Old 10-21-2012, 09:01 AM
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Update:
So far, i've got what's simply called Oscilloscope to run native on this PC and have got TrueRTA software to run under WINE.
Built one cable, but used 100K and 20K resistors for extra safety...and seems I overdid it. On connecting up, I get a quick blip type of signal from a blocking oscillator, but nothing more. The resistance will have to be lowered.
Got a spare system board running with a HDD that had XP on it. It had that hooky TinyXP on it but works and probably why it worked with the system board instead of throwing up a stop message at boot.

I've uploaded a video for building the Thortz Energy Garden Light.
It gives at least the knowledge, step by step, of how they are constructed but is intended as a pause and do building video.
The logo which will be used on the website is also shown.
Thortz Energy Garden Light kit - build video - YouTube
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Old 10-30-2012, 12:58 AM
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Cheers, I received my gizmos safe and sound! Nice one.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:31 PM
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Bit of an update..

The website is here: Thortz Energy

Work on it has been slow, due to trying to sort out our car and the Immigration requests.
The upshot of all is dire.
I have a medical appointment booked in Tulsa tomorrow at 11am, results to be picked up on Monday. All forms and results have to be with the Government by the 24th. My wife and I don't mind the mad requests like a picture of us holding a recent newspaper together, but have struggled with all this for the past 5 years since we were married !
The car still overheats after anything financially possible has been tried and we have no way of renting a car for the two trips.
Today was supposed to have seen a flu shot, which the doctor requires before the visit...not that i've had the flu since teenage years (my regular videos prove general good health in fact) and know all the rumours about mercury being added to such jabs and the ineffectiveness.

To outline the car:
2001 Ford Escort SE 2.0L. 82000miles. Warms up over about 5 miles and then rattles like a diesel.
We've only allowed that to happen 4 times and when cold again it will drive for the same 5 miles (Tulsa is 50 miles away). The worst occasion saw the oil light come on and when walking back the next day to where it had to be abandoned the oil level was back to normal.
Cabin heat is great and helps the engine when turned to full on.
Fan works and kicks in ok.
Cooling system doesn't appear to leak anywhere.
Radiator warm top to bottom.
Top hose hot, bottom hose toasty.
No discolouration of the engine oil or water.
Before the new radiator cap, approx 1L of water would be needed each time the car overheated and is believed to have bubbled out of the expansion tank.
No oil is lost or used.

Remedies - new plugs, oil change, oil filter, radiator flush and degunk product added, reflushed with a hose from the top hose connection as well as radiator filler cap.
New radiator cap yesterday.
Current diagnosis, water pump or head gasket.

So...with no way to get to Tulsa and the prospect of removal from the country, Thortz Energy is paused.
I don't want to sound dramatic, it's just the way it is without a realistic route forward and I want to apologise if anyone was thinking or ordering or if I have been any way remiss in follow ups.

Anyone know of what else to check or have tips for overheating cars ?
We've looked through and followed just about everything found online (the ZX1 is often confused with our SE).
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:47 PM
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Have you checked the thermostat, easy and cheap to replace.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:49 AM
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Yeah..bit complicated on that one too. We bought a new one, but just 1 screw stops the housing coming away. The coil pack comes off, then the plate underneath to get to the thermostat housing. But, of the 3 screws to finally remove it, 2 come out, the other is underneath and at the back.
When the new radiator cap went on, the radiator changed its characteristics. The bottom hose warmed up where before it would still be quite cool even with overheating and the whole radiator warmed, rather than just near the top.
Yet, it still overheats in the same way as before.

I've had that flu shot. $31.99
Wifes daughter has loaned us the $150 for the medical and we're using what we had for bill money to rent the car.
After getting a couple of food items at Walgreens, the machine refused my wifes EBT card, bit embarrassing to say the least and we knew there was $80 on it. Turns out, when she rang to find out what had happened, that the computers apparently went down for a short while at whatever mission control is for such things. Nice timing !
Still, the British Bulldog spirit is going to win through.
These are really blog entries rather than posts, sorry about that

After picking up the results on Monday and posting everything off, i'll get back to the website and experiments.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:25 AM
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All done !

Thanks to a very kind hire car company, my wife's parents and daughter, plus a lot of walking..the Immigration paperworks will be there by Friday afternoon
The car is still up on ramps, the sump bolt rounded off when I went to change the oil after putting lifter Gunk cleaner in there and now has a Dremmel notch cut in it. Hoping to get a pipe wrench from a yard sale this weekend and get back on the road.
But all else is done.

Am delighted to be offering a new wireless energy product too, should people not have the materials, have no time to construct or are merely inquisitive.
I've decided to build up some Simple Wireless Electricity Systems.
They relate to this video as cleaner versions of the prototype shown: Simple Wireless Electricity System - YouTube



More details over at the Thortz Energy website: Thortz Energy - Products
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Hi Slider,
I have been very busy here so I'm a bit late in thanking you for your rapid handling of my order. All things received as promised and more. The how to videos are great.
I would like to place another order, should I PM you here or would you rather I go to Thortz Energy? I have been to the site & signed as guest but not sure how to PM or place an order there??
Thanks again, Gene
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:13 AM
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The earthlights are awesome!

Any way to use the same concept and step it up a bit to produce 5-10 watts of power? If so, let me know, cause I have been developing low energety aquaponics systems here in Mexico, and normally, we go with solar, but that adds a lot of cost to a small system.

Heck, if you could get them up to 10 watts continuous, I know a lot of people who could use that for powering their homes in the developing world.

But the way, forget Kickstarter. Go with IndieGoGo, they are better for these sorts of things.

Let me know if you need help with getting a web shop running. That's what I do for a living.
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The earthlights are awesome!

Any way to use the same concept and step it up a bit to produce 5-10 watts of power? If so, let me know, cause I have been developing low energety aquaponics systems here in Mexico, and normally, we go with solar, but that adds a lot of cost to a small system.

Heck, if you could get them up to 10 watts continuous, I know a lot of people who could use that for powering their homes in the developing world.

But the way, forget Kickstarter. Go with IndieGoGo, they are better for these sorts of things.

Let me know if you need help with getting a web shop running. That's what I do for a living.

Tell us more please. How are they 'powering their homes' ?
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