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Old 12-20-2012, 11:51 PM
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Old 12-21-2012, 10:31 AM
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YEE-HA !!!!!!!!!!!! Good one Dave.

Guys; and gals if there are any here.

I wonder if anyone here has been following Eric Dollard's predicament. I don't agree with everything Eric says, but we all have our own understandings, and it is quite inconsequential as to whether anyone's intermediate understanding is wrong - if - they have a WORKING KNOWLEDGE !

Eric, I know you are pretty pissed off, and for obvious reason because TPTB don't want the World to know that which you already know could be applied. It is also far too easy to think of the majority population as TPTB do - as an unknowing people not worthy of sharing Earth's bounty, which is happening at this very moment. Eric - please go invite yourself to a Christmas dinner with someone at similar hands-on and intellectual level to yourself.

Well - This morning I too woke up feeling pretty pissed off too. I have spent over 2 years studying and brainstorming many *supposed* forms of free energy especially the Hendershot generator. I have come to learn that most of devices (on this forum too) are either hoaxes, or misunderstandings or willfull dis-information, often for purposes of fraud.
W_T_F_U guys !!!!!
Energy does not appear out of sparks, transients or space, especially not from within closed electromagnetic systems, and also not farther away either, because transducible invisible radiation always originates from an energised material source !

So this morning I wondered how I could get readers here to understand how the Hendershot generator works, because I have already stated it in this thread and no-one has yet picked up on it. It is the case that my explanations have been spread through the thread - and - maybe not everyone has read the whole thread, so I'll try again.

Everything we are and experience is down to SPIN. Matter, energy, radiation - these are all spin related phenomenon - NOT vectors, NOT mathematics.
Beyond this we know of electric charge flow, magnetism and gravity, again all spin related.

Dave. Good drawing.
When the keeper is thin, and the buzzer windings are connected to the mutal field connected Hendershot core-cap coils, the keeper field becomes reversed due to on-going buzzer coil field reversals introduced by the iron sleeve core windings. Individual core-cap windings are in phase opposition at opposite ends of the sleeve, but the field induced at the centre of the sleeve is transformerd to low source impedance and phase shifted via a series connected capacitor in order to set up a central region of field rotation within the short circuited core.

At every core to buzzer field reversal the polarisation within the keeper flips like a whip from end to end, thus maintaining core-cap synchrony, before cycling phase reversal the other way.

Morpher you have put up some interesting links.
1) That patent. Low energy electron ? All electrons are the same, so does the writer mean charge or velocity. He writes as if he there is some different particle he is utilising. Ever checked up on the 'Hoverboard' company owning that Patent ?
2) Brown utilised radioactive material - safely though - as now used by the military, but not we who pay their wages !!!!!
3) Magnetic amplifiers - clever use of technology, but these merely control a supply of already existing energy, and I am not yet aware of any such device other than Wesley Gary being used to control permanent magnetic fields as way of electrical generation, though I have considered using iron wire/ flat strip gating, and I might still try same.

Dave, please take your drawings to the next stage - make your 'fields' show the associated electron orbit spin alignments !!!!!

Electrons are like little gyroscopes.
Electrons in a magnetic field are like gyroscopes in gravity.
If you rotate (spin) an already magnetised (spinning) magnetic domain in a magnetic field it is like rotating the axis of a gyroscope in Earth's gravity, and the electron (gyroscope) experiences force on an axis normal to both spin directions.
With gyroscopes the force transfer can either be away from the Earth as demonstrated here -
Professor Eric Laithwaite gives a demonstration of a large gyro wheel - YouTube
or - towards the Earth, where the gyroscope (electron) would effectively become so heavy with respect to the Earth (atomic nucleus) that the eminent Professor Eric Laithwaite would be unable to support it.

So a spinning magnetic domain (electron gyroscope) within a magnetic field will lead to forces beyond which normal electron motion (like atomic alignment relationships as used in MRI scanning) can be sustained, and an electron could either be forced away from a nucleus as with Laithwaites gyroscope generation, or INTO IT !!!!!
Electron Capture - YouTube

Look at the Hendershot windings. They are in opposition between ends, and phase shifted close to the centre. They set up a buzzer impulse driven/ maintained spin wave within the thin Iron metal sleeve cores. In order to induce a physical domain spin the shorted turn sleeve core must physically resonate longitudinally - phonically within - magnetic phonons - this to artificially induce atomic change from Iron to Manganese within some centrally activated central region of the core, and thus with an associated gamma radiation output.

Read and check out page 10 here = 16/86 in the pdf.
http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/...1/lucassen.pdf

The 'electron capture' generated gamma radiation will pass out to and induce electron emission from the central aluminium capacitor overwind, which, if connected in the correct electrical sense, will cyclically and differentially transduce/ generate output which energises both the main output winding plus maintain generator operation. I am not sure that this capacitor represents the best conversion arrangement, but hey, it worked !!!!!

I am not learned enough to know whether there would be any harmful emanations from these assemblies, and this is why a have written that a geiger counter should be used for safety reasons. Though better than that, would not a geiger counter provide evidence of circuit tuning leading to sustained operation ? This also is why I use the expression of *core-cap* within the winding assemblies, for these are what must be exchanged as the iron becomes used up and turned into a manganese oxide almost indistinguishable from ordinary iron rust. This also relates to the description of electrostatic generator given to Hendershot's device after he died, for the electrostatic charge originates within his especially hand-made capacitors from the matter devolution artificially induced within the thin iron sleeve cores. Hence the Hendershot generator was the most important design we have witnessed being suppressed, and its energy was not magnetically sucked from the Earth, nor received from the Cosmos.

Please folks, stop imagining energy appearing from without and being impulse attracted - all energy is already within matter itself as it devolutes from large to small atomic elements after being exploded outwards from stars, and then becomes compressed back into heavier elements as new stars form within our infinite and forever continuing universe.

Folks, please get thoughts about this sorted and make 2013 a good year unbound by PTB indoctrinations and FALSE teachings.

Happy Christmas everyone.

Cheers ............ Graham.

I'll video the sudden effortless armature 'neutral zone' field reversals as soon as possible.

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Old 12-21-2012, 11:17 AM
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The problem I had studying the fields is the system is an ac system, that means the current is changing directions through the buzzer coils, therefore changing the field direction of the coils and how this relates to the magnet which does not change, this is where the iron comes into play.
With iron in between two magnets you can have n to n or any combination the iron is allowing the magnets field to be altered, so therefore when the buzzer coils fields change directions their not opposing the magnets field, it flips around the iron.
I may try to draw it up later when I have more time.


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Old 12-21-2012, 12:30 PM
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Everyone on this forum should be studying the A vortex field, this is the field that exchanges energy from one coil to another in a transformer, this field is kinetic whereas the magnetic field is static.
Im not sure if you have seen this experiment Bloch Wall - YouTube Im sure this is a coil powered with ac but it needs to be done with dc,with pulsed dc, with an iron core, with a toroid core, with a brass core, with a copper core, every configuration one can think of.
I kick myself as much money as I have spent researching this I have not bought a scope, that will change very soon its first on my list.

I agree this needs to be the year that we find and implement free energy for all.

GSM Im glad a man of your intellect is here and studying this, sometimes I have to read your words over and over, I am just a simple layman and think in layman's terms but Im trying to keep up

I agree we are dealing with particles that have a gyroscopic spin, the faster we spin these particles in a magnet-vortex field the more energy they acquire.

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Old 12-21-2012, 02:07 PM
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MAGNETIC VORTEX SPIN its against the LAW built by Magnetflip.wmv - YouTube

compare this to Hendershots self running motor

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Old 12-22-2012, 09:53 AM
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The problem I had studying the fields is the system is an ac system, that means the current is changing directions through the buzzer coils, therefore changing the field direction of the coils and how this relates to the magnet which does not change, this is where the iron comes into play.
Hi Dave.
Yes - remanence - a timed sequence of field storage-delay-release independent of other circuit characteristics.

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With iron in between two magnets you can have n to n or any combination the iron is allowing the magnets field to be altered, so therefore when the buzzer coils fields change directions their not opposing the magnets field, it flips around the iron.
Yes, though with a delay due to quantisation effects associated with the composition and domain/ grain size within the core material.
Also - the magnetically induced field is associated with every single coupled overwind turn at the same time, and with each turn in series.
Thus the charge flow induced potential at winding ends is different to that expected by simplistically (simulators) viewing that same coil-core assembly as if a plain inductor.

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Im not sure if you have seen this experiment Bloch Wall - YouTube Im sure this is a coil powered with ac but it needs to be done with dc,with pulsed dc, with an iron core,

I agree we are dealing with particles that have a gyroscopic spin, the faster we spin these particles in a magnet-vortex field the more energy they acquire.
I see nothing unusual with that video. A damped oscillating field is being sensed by another coil.

Re the gyroscopic spin.
The electrons are already orbiting; ie. they already are the 'electron gyroscopes'.

Thus it is the electron's AXIS of ROTATION (part of magnetic domain) we must additionally cause to spin/ precess, in order to exert forces upon electrons with respect to their associated atomic nucleii within the molecular lattice of iron, especially at lattice discontinuities between different elemental impurities within the core material.

It is quite possible that iron produced before our modern post-WW2 improved furnaces went on line had more impurities that suited an electromagnetically induced elemental change with associated (non-fission and non-fusion !!!) nuclear energy release; I don't know for sure though ?

That video is seriously INCORRECT.
Check out the only comment - it is correct !

Re the Hendershot motor. Yes like a modern alternator in reverse; it would run at a fixed speed from any of the Hendershot generators - as reported.
Also, being a magnet motor, it would present Back-EMF to the generator to assist tuned reactive oscillation (L or L+C) of the generated output.

There is NOT a vortex related to opposing magnets, but a uni-polar plane central to the outer poles.


Cheers ............. Graham.

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Old 12-22-2012, 11:20 AM
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That video is seriously INCORRECT.
Check out the only comment - it is correct !
I really did not listen to his comments, its the configuration I was pointing out,
he's putting current through the core kind of like the Newman motor works.
Some folks on youtube have taken the inner coil out and replaced it with a PM, I wonder if current were ran through the core.
Iv played with alternators a bit, it would be easy to check out.

Of course the collection coils and iron toroid would have to be removed but could be replaced with Newman coils or window motor coils that could be used to run current through the core-self running.

Whatever we build must be cheap and easily accessible so everyone can build it not just a few.
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:41 AM
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Iv been thinking on this, why couldnt a Newman motor be made to self run, instead of pulling energy from the system rectify it and put back through the system to make it self run.

I built a small one years back that ran and was fun to play with, I may build it again.

Hey you never know.

Coils from microwave oven transformers make good window motor or Newman motor coils

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Old 12-22-2012, 12:19 PM
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I really think folks should start looping their systems, whatever they are working on.

We take input measurements and output measurements and when we dont see overunity it gets shelved, when maybe looping the system will give us the increase needed to self run or pull out excess energy.

Make it self run then worry about pulling energy from the system.

edit: Sorry I got way out of context, just thinking out load

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Old 12-25-2012, 09:41 PM
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Wesley Gary Neutral Zone - Video Dailymotion

Here demonstrated with a 5" ferrite rod (all I could find quickly).
Works with soft iron, but with more remanence, and thus greater physical displacement required.
I find the effect better when the armature/ keeper length is at least twice the distance between horseshoe pole faces.

Cheers .......... Graham.
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Wesley Gary Neutral Zone - Video Dailymotion

Here demonstrated with a 5" ferrite rod (all I could find quickly).
Works with soft iron, but with more remanence, and thus greater physical displacement required.
I find the effect better when the armature/ keeper length is at least twice the distance between horseshoe pole faces.

Cheers .......... Graham.
Hello GSM,

clarence ,

loved your explicit video!

Question sir: to remove my lack of knowledge on the subject, is there a point determined by the depth of the neutral zone where the magnet effect on the keeper/armature just keeps alternating the field reversal or not? Im asking because I was watching the back and forth movement of the compass needle.
I may not even have asked the question in an appropriate manner, so please bear with my lack of knowledge Sir.

your considerations and efforts in answering will definitely be greatly appreciated!

mike, onward!
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A horseshoe magnet has some interesting quality's


JK Plasma Magnetics Experiment 1 - YouTube the kinetic field around the magnet

Ms paint is limited but you can see the field bends around the horseshoe magnet

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Old 12-26-2012, 03:11 PM
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And if we add the keeper
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:24 PM
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Using a coil to represent a spinning field is a mistake, I made the same.
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Lets look and see why a mag produces ac in a conductor
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Hello GSM,

clarence ,

loved your explicit video!

Question sir: to remove my lack of knowledge on the subject, is there a point determined by the depth of the neutral zone where the magnet effect on the keeper/armature just keeps alternating the field reversal or not? Im asking because I was watching the back and forth movement of the compass needle.
I may not even have asked the question in an appropriate manner, so please bear with my lack of knowledge Sir.

your considerations and efforts in answering will definitely be greatly appreciated!

mike, onward!
Hi Clarence,

It is very easy to make the compass needle spin continuously via fractional movement of the magnet backwards and forwards across the neutral zone - its all down to timing and co-ordination.

Cheers ......... Graham.
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Hi Clarence,

It is very easy to make the compass needle spin continuously via fractional movement of the magnet backwards and forwards across the neutral zone - its all down to timing and co-ordination.

Cheers ......... Graham.
Do you think the pulsing in the buzzer coils are creating this spin on both ends of the iron keeper?
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Hi Dave.

When a keeper is added the field becomes like that within a toroid - contained.

Ed Leedskalnin used the term magnetic current, and thus the magnetic energy is continuously mutual within the horseshoe/ keeper circuit, taking lines like those of speedway riders on a similar shaped circuit; ie. hugging corner apexes, broadening out through wider cross sections and intense through narrow ones like a keeper.
Thus there is no overall field outer looping the centre of the keeper and the top of your horseshoe in the drawing.

I'm not sure what all your drawings are meant to be indicating, especially the last set. Magnets cannot generate AC unles they or a conductor move, and in the Hendershot generator it is the field which is made to alternate within the keeper-buzzer circuit, thereby inducing a magnet biased Barhausen like avalanche of magnetic pulse through the keeper-buzzers cores.

The Barkhausen Effect experiment by Jean-Louis Naudin

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Cheers ............ Graham.

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Hi Clarence,

It is very easy to make the compass needle spin continuously via fractional movement of the magnet backwards and forwards across the neutral zone - its all down to timing and co-ordination.

Cheers ......... Graham.
Hello GSM,

clarence,

I absorbed completely your return answer to my question Sir and I thank you for your expeditious efforts.

awhile back I had heard that when a coil is wrapped around a soft iron rod ( the no of turns being non specific) and subsequently when the coil is energized with circuit voltage that the soft iron rod would actually grow in length however miniscule that might be. and that when the voltage was stopped that the rod would return to its normal length. drawing from your vast personal data base, would that be correct or myth Sir. again it is immensely pleasureable to have your source of experience to draw from as I am sure all other members are aware.

thanks again Sir for your graciousness and efforts!
mike, onward!
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Hi Dave.

When a keeper is added the field becomes like that within a toroid - contained.

Ed Leedskalnin used the term magnetic current, and thus the magnetic energy is continuously mutual within the horseshoe/ keeper circuit, taking lines like those of speedway riders on a similar shaped circuit; ie. hugging corner apexes, broadening out through wider cross sections and intense through narrow ones like a keeper.
Thus there is no overall field outer looping the centre of the keeper and the top of your horseshoe in the drawing.

I'm not sure what all your drawings are meant to be indicating, especially the last set. Magnets cannot generate AC unles they or a conductor move, and in the Hendershot generator it is the field which is made to alternate within the keeper-buzzer circuit, thereby inducing a magnet biased Barhausen like avalanche of magnetic pulse through the keeper-buzzers cores.

The Barkhausen Effect experiment by Jean-Louis Naudin

Hysteresis Critical Point

Cheers ............ Graham.
Your exactly right the magnet field is contained inside the toroid the field Im showing is the A vortex field not the magnetic field.
The magnetic field is compressed space - static
The A vortex field is electric - kenetic

3-D Magnetostatic Field Simulation select solenoid then field lines

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End view of the solenoid

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Im sorry I called it the A vortex field its called the A vector field.
This is the field that tranfers energy between two coils
This is the field seen spinning the plasma is this vid
JK Plasma Magnetics Experiment 1 - YouTube

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when the coil is energized with circuit voltage that the soft iron rod would actually grow in length however miniscule that might be. and that when the voltage was stopped that the rod would return to its normal length.
Hi Clarence.

It is the other way round. Check out "magnetostriction".
When charges flow in the same direction through closely positioned parallel conductors, the conductors are attracted together.
It is just the same with magnetic field aligned electron spin orbits; the unbonded electron based charge flow around neighbouring atomic centres causes neighbouring electrons to become physically attracted, which reduces the spacing between the soft iron atoms. Without magneticly induced electron spin orbit alignment, the atomic spacing returns to its random normality.

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Not correct, and I repeat - drawing field lines around coils is both misleading and meaningless, because there is not ANY field coupling until some matter interacts with the charge flow induced electron alignments within the wire !

Dave, in order to become an EM Imagineer we must think about the basis of matter itself, including electrons, their alignments, induced forces related to their spin orbits, and precessions induced by alternating excitations.

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Im sorry I called it the A vortex field its called the A vector field.
This is the field that tranfers energy between two coils
This is the field seen spinning the plasma is this vid
JK Plasma Magnetics Experiment 1 - YouTube
Thats a good video to illustrate the forces acting upon a conductor carrying a charge in the presence of a permanent magnetic field (majority of unbonded electrons having like axial spin alignments permanently aligned within the magnetic material), whether the charge motion be electronic through a conductor, or via ions and electrons through a plasma.

Cheers ......... Graham.

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Old 12-28-2012, 12:19 AM
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soft iron rod length vs coil voltage and voltage removal

HELLO GSM,

clarence,

I do appreciate your in depth explanation. I will also pour over magnetostriction as you advised. thanks again!!

mike,onward!
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Hello. I have been following with great interest your discussion on the Hendershot generator. I ended up purchasing a plan online to build one. after meticulously constructing the two basket weave coils obtaining the required capacitors, transformers, and building the magnet coils I tried it out and it did not work. I believe the instructions were meant to get you so far but leave out many necesary details. One important one seems to be the metal sleeve in the center of the basket weave coils. From your discussion it appears this is a necesary part. The video of the plans I bought is on You-Tube. I have downloaded a disc of it from the materials I paid for. It appears that the one on You-Tube was made by a Russian and when the project was finished they fired it up. It appeared to be supplying 220 voltage and powering 28 incandecent light bulbs and also an LCD tv. I am intensely interested in seeing this through. Bob
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Hi Boguslaw,

I don't think that the Hendershot generator runs at the sort of frequencies associated with spark gap technologies, and it is possible the longitudinal resonance induced within the core could be 30 to 60kHz, so although I suggested a modulated RF generator, it would need to be one running at low RF frequencies, or even be an audio generator having extended HF range. Besides, the TV frame output transformers would still be useful at this sort of frequency, whereas the cores used in mains transformers would be much more lossy.

Also whilst lamps would still run at that frequency your question about other equipment is most valid, because 'no' - a 50-60Hz modulated carrier is quite unlike 50-60Hz mains, and coiled wire heaters might have a self inductance which would effectively reduce their dissipation.

The Thomas Edison observations related to vibration are new to me and likely require further investigation, especially if this related to the vibration of 'magnetic domains'.

Hi Chris.

You know what, I have mused so much about this I find it difficult to find any starting point.

I have not heard of any works by Joseph Cater either, so obviously my studies must continue.

Re the magnet keeper; obviously to maintain maximum field when not in use, for the gap could not have been completely closed during operation.

Also yes, I believe the mass resonance would have been at a carrier frequency, with the those 40uF capacitors able to introduce phase change at such frequency.
Another reason why I think a travelling wave is longitudinally induced within the core is due to the twice phase shifted low impedance outputs of T1/2 being fed to L3 windings with respect to L2 and the single phase shifted drive to L4.

Anyone have an original Hendershot generator I can get my hands on, or even if I might directly question any owner of same to fill in some of the blanks ?

Is Mark Hendershot still alive and amenable to open source questions, for there is no way I would be willing to do this in a non-public way ?
If yes, does Mark communicate via the internet ?

Cheers ............. Graham.
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Hello. I have been following with great interest your discussion on the Hendershot generator. I ended up purchasing a plan online to build one. after meticulously constructing the two basket weave coils obtaining the required capacitors, transformers, and building the magnet coils I tried it out and it did not work. I believe the instructions were meant to get you so far but leave out many necesary details. One important one seems to be the metal sleeve in the center of the basket weave coils. From your discussion it appears this is a necesary part. The video of the plans I bought is on You-Tube. I have downloaded a disc of it from the materials I paid for. It appears that the one on You-Tube was made by a Russian and when the project was finished they fired it up. It appeared to be supplying 220 voltage and powering 28 incandecent light bulbs and also an LCD tv. I am intensely interested in seeing this through. Bob
So everything you paid for was FREE on the web.
The sale of this bogus "plan" is a rip-off.
I don't want to discourage you from this hobby, however. It is fascinating.
The instructions explained nothing and people on this forum, and other places, are trying to work out what might be going on with the Hendershot devices. He had several iterations ranging from a toy that powered his son's toy plane (seen in a newspaper article Feb. 27, 1928.

Interestingly, the chronology here is:
2/24/1928 - first articles start appearing about Hendershot's fuelless generator
2/27/1928 - Many newspapers have the article now...
2/28/1928 - ONE-DAY-LATER, it is already being debunked and Hendershot
is accused of fraud, etc.
3/9/1928 - newspaper articles appear that Hendershot is in hospital after
receiving serious SHOCK. He is paralyzed, can't speak,
especially can't speak to reporters.
more debunking... what Hendershot is doing
has already been attempted by folks in the late 1800s with
prior art, patents, etc. They mention "electrometer", and
Tesla is asked about it and Tesla is skeptical. Hubbard is also
mentioned. Debunking is real "THICK" at this point.
3/10/1928 - more articles about him in hospital
3/26/1928 - more "debunking" articles
.... after this date ... silence about Hendershot....

I find it amazing that in such a short time Hendershot goes from being a "genius" with amazing invention to a fraud with a carefully constructed debunking campaign, showing off devices that don't work, and hiding Hendershot from the press, etc.

So Bob, I'm starting to come to the conclusion that what we really need to figure out is not how to build this device "as Hendershot did", which is interesting, but "painful" and "primitive". What we are really after here are principals that can be applied to the construction of a more modern "self-powered" generator.

With step-wise refinement, we might be able to achieve that goal, but we shouldn't LIMIT ourselves to old-school approaches. For example, Hendershot was not using DIODES. Pretty amazing ... but we should restrict ourselves to doing it the same way as him. Hendershot struggled with reliability and had to "cheat" with little batteries. I find that not be such a "cheat" because you probably do need to provide power at first to get it to move into higher-levels of magnetic fields. Hendershot had a crazy circuit that doesn't really make sense in terms of conventional circuit design. He wasn't "educated" in circuit analysis, but I can tell that he WAS educated in induction-compass, Earth's field, formulas for solenoids and number of turns, etc. and how to best wind a coil to reduce self-capacitance (basketweave and honeycomb, etc.). These are state-of-the-art RADIO engineering practices of his day.
Find "Wireless Magazine" from 1926, 1927, 1928, etc. and honeycomb coil TABLES and long discussions about them can be found. Obviously Hendershot was reading this stuff, or exposed to engineers who know about coils.

So here are some of my thoughts about a modern approach:

* need low-power to start the effect. The best circuit I've found for this
is the "TATE" ambient power circuit which uses germanium diodes,
and capacitors and an antenna and ground. Very easy... works great.
* need an oscillating "chopper" circuit. It needs to be square-waves and
not sign-waves to produce "fast" pole-reversals in the solenoid with
narrow pulse-width, and very low-power duty cycle.
The 555 timer can do this with pretty low power. To get the solenoid
to produce a LARGE magnetic effect towards the keeper and magnet,
you will need to match the solenoid coil with the strength of the magnet.
So of the magnet is say 20 milliTeslas and you want 20 milliTeslas out
of your solenoid with a certain current, you can "derive" the number of
turns you need -- given other solenoid geometry.
The "TATE" circuit and your antenna might not provide enough juice
for the solenoid, 555, etc. ... so instead use battery power @ first
to prototype this.
* need "tuned" circuit for pick up of the oscillations created by the magnet.
Unlike "radio" tuned circuits, we are tuning for oscillations much lower.
The oscillations can be 40 to 180Hz if we are taking "buzzer" frequencies
or can be 1.3khz to 3khz if we are talking Earth's NMR frequencies ...
or can be much much higher such as 1.4Ghz if we are talking
full-wave reception into metal cylinders inside your coil. I think Hendershot
was using high-frequency reception to create magnetic field oscillations --
"beat frequencies" that could then be harnessed using lower-frequency
tuned circuits. Hence, various "stages" are tuned various ways
with consideration for "phase" and other things. These are non-trivial
circuit analysis problems, but not "impossible" to figure out. A good
circuit simulator might help. One thing lacking in circuit simulators, however,
is the accounting of the all the "mutual-induction" and the notion of
"positive-feedback" using energy "received" from the outside of
a closed circuit.
* need "low resistance" load "in-circuit". It becomes just part of the circuit
adding the the "R" in an "LRC" circuit. If you keep R small enough,
oscillations can continue. Be too greedy with "R", such as trying to run
some HEATER that you sit by when its cold ... oscillations stop, circuit
doesn't work. So lighting is possible because bulbs are low resistance.
Heating elements ... much more difficult ... much more juice.

Unlike "radio", a large magnet may be a sort of "magnetic field antenna".
In radio, to receive long-waves down in the 2khz range, you would need a very very very long antenna ... even if that antenna was Quarter-Wave.
Yet a MAGNET ... and a BAR ... and a COIL ... may be a different sort
of antenna that is long-wave and can couple with the Earth's field
since METAL responds to the Earth's field. I.e. you can provide a
quick magnetic pulse and make the electrons and protons in the metal
spin for a time ... As these spins start to settle down, feeling the drag
of the Earth's field, they start to adjust and spin with the Earth's magnetic
field. So all around us we have a magnetic field -- kinda weak though -- that will take what we have done SPIN-WISE ... and alter it into what it wants to do SPIN-WISE... We provide a little power ... the Earth undoes our power ... and puts things BACK to what it wants restoring balance.
Resonance matters because like pushing a child on a swing, we need
our pulses to be exactly right so that we can HARNESS the Earth's field
properly.

I think many of us have been working out ideas like this ... and the real challenge here is building a machine to do this that is self powered.
I feel, however, the design of this machine need not be Hendershot's original schematic (given we can't find that ... there are several alternate schematics and a disinfo campaign to contend with). Rather, we need to understand what is going on here and make NEW machines that harness energy this "new" way.

This challenge needs to be approached with great respect too because if it is indeed "easy" to do ... the geo-political ramifications of this are non-trivial ... and "change" comes with great risk and resistance.

You can either "share everything you do" freely with the world and not swet it ... or have really really good security and keep your notes under lock and key.

Welcome to the puzzle.
-morpher44

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The Hendshot Motor was designed for use in the air (after the plane had taken off on a conventional engine). Possible that the generator output increased with altitude i.e. position in the earths magnetic field. Also the flight was almost exactly East-West (New York to Paris) - The orientation of the generator itself within the Earths magnetic field (itself the power source) is a major factor in obtaining a reliable output. You should perform any testing at altitude if possible and facing East-West
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Hendershot generator

Hello Morpher
Obviously I was victimaized because the stuff I paid for left out much. It was by no means detailed and inquiries to the supplier were not answered. What I received was not exactly available for free on the net either. It is very convincing though as the video walks you through step by step and at the end the guy plugs in a light bank and it lights as well as an LCD tv. If there is any external power it is not detectable.

We all realize what Mr Hendershot did worked. As you mention the rub is how to duplicate it. I believe it is your videos on You-Tube I watched last night. I see you lined the coils with a metal of sorts. I also have been reading the considerable posts between Graham and Chris. They too mention a core in the coils. What did you use? Is it necesary?

I believe we all have the same goals of producing our own electricity. I got considerable written material downloaded from what I bought. It contained the newspaper articles as well as the history of what Lester did. It contained a schematic and with the help of a friend of mine I built the device as shown in the video. I have also last summer tried to make a device Nicola Tesla used to pull energy out of the air using a 4x4 ft aluminum collector on a 14 foot pole on top of my garage roof. It also has a 4 ft by 4 ft steel plate buried 4 feet deep for a ground. I built a simple device I found on the internet of capacitors and diodes and managed to draw 30 volts dc and a 10th of an amp. Back to the business at hand. I wound the basket weave coil with a base of copper enamaled wire 18 g. 12 times. The next level I used insulated 14 ga. wire 6 turns topped by another winding the same just a different color. As you have all mentioned there are tons of variables. I chose to use the two 500 mfd caps inside the basketweave coils and four 1000 mfd caps on the outside with two five to one transformers. Are you aware of anyone else that has gone this route? Anybody out there had any success?

I am very aware of the dangers of spreading this information of any success. I do not wish to have a couple of guys in black suites banging on my door wanting to see my device.

Bob
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So everything you paid for was FREE on the web.
The sale of this bogus "plan" is a rip-off.
I don't want to discourage you from this hobby, however. It is fascinating.
The instructions explained nothing and people on this forum, and other places, are trying to work out what might be going on with the Hendershot devices. He had several iterations ranging from a toy that powered his son's toy plane (seen in a newspaper article Feb. 27, 1928.

Interestingly, the chronology here is:
2/24/1928 - first articles start appearing about Hendershot's fuelless generator
2/27/1928 - Many newspapers have the article now...
2/28/1928 - ONE-DAY-LATER, it is already being debunked and Hendershot
is accused of fraud, etc.
3/9/1928 - newspaper articles appear that Hendershot is in hospital after
receiving serious SHOCK. He is paralyzed, can't speak,
especially can't speak to reporters.
more debunking... what Hendershot is doing
has already been attempted by folks in the late 1800s with
prior art, patents, etc. They mention "electrometer", and
Tesla is asked about it and Tesla is skeptical. Hubbard is also
mentioned. Debunking is real "THICK" at this point.
3/10/1928 - more articles about him in hospital
3/26/1928 - more "debunking" articles
.... after this date ... silence about Hendershot....

I find it amazing that in such a short time Hendershot goes from being a "genius" with amazing invention to a fraud with a carefully constructed debunking campaign, showing off devices that don't work, and hiding Hendershot from the press, etc.

So Bob, I'm starting to come to the conclusion that what we really need to figure out is not how to build this device "as Hendershot did", which is interesting, but "painful" and "primitive". What we are really after here are principals that can be applied to the construction of a more modern "self-powered" generator.

With step-wise refinement, we might be able to achieve that goal, but we shouldn't LIMIT ourselves to old-school approaches. For example, Hendershot was not using DIODES. Pretty amazing ... but we should restrict ourselves to doing it the same way as him. Hendershot struggled with reliability and had to "cheat" with little batteries. I find that not be such a "cheat" because you probably do need to provide power at first to get it to move into higher-levels of magnetic fields. Hendershot had a crazy circuit that doesn't really make sense in terms of conventional circuit design. He wasn't "educated" in circuit analysis, but I can tell that he WAS educated in induction-compass, Earth's field, formulas for solenoids and number of turns, etc. and how to best wind a coil to reduce self-capacitance (basketweave and honeycomb, etc.). These are state-of-the-art RADIO engineering practices of his day.
Find "Wireless Magazine" from 1926, 1927, 1928, etc. and honeycomb coil TABLES and long discussions about them can be found. Obviously Hendershot was reading this stuff, or exposed to engineers who know about coils.

So here are some of my thoughts about a modern approach:

* need low-power to start the effect. The best circuit I've found for this
is the "TATE" ambient power circuit which uses germanium diodes,
and capacitors and an antenna and ground. Very easy... works great.
* need an oscillating "chopper" circuit. It needs to be square-waves and
not sign-waves to produce "fast" pole-reversals in the solenoid with
narrow pulse-width, and very low-power duty cycle.
The 555 timer can do this with pretty low power. To get the solenoid
to produce a LARGE magnetic effect towards the keeper and magnet,
you will need to match the solenoid coil with the strength of the magnet.
So of the magnet is say 20 milliTeslas and you want 20 milliTeslas out
of your solenoid with a certain current, you can "derive" the number of
turns you need -- given other solenoid geometry.
The "TATE" circuit and your antenna might not provide enough juice
for the solenoid, 555, etc. ... so instead use battery power @ first
to prototype this.
* need "tuned" circuit for pick up of the oscillations created by the magnet.
Unlike "radio" tuned circuits, we are tuning for oscillations much lower.
The oscillations can be 40 to 180Hz if we are taking "buzzer" frequencies
or can be 1.3khz to 3khz if we are talking Earth's NMR frequencies ...
or can be much much higher such as 1.4Ghz if we are talking
full-wave reception into metal cylinders inside your coil. I think Hendershot
was using high-frequency reception to create magnetic field oscillations --
"beat frequencies" that could then be harnessed using lower-frequency
tuned circuits. Hence, various "stages" are tuned various ways
with consideration for "phase" and other things. These are non-trivial
circuit analysis problems, but not "impossible" to figure out. A good
circuit simulator might help. One thing lacking in circuit simulators, however,
is the accounting of the all the "mutual-induction" and the notion of
"positive-feedback" using energy "received" from the outside of
a closed circuit.
* need "low resistance" load "in-circuit". It becomes just part of the circuit
adding the the "R" in an "LRC" circuit. If you keep R small enough,
oscillations can continue. Be too greedy with "R", such as trying to run
some HEATER that you sit by when its cold ... oscillations stop, circuit
doesn't work. So lighting is possible because bulbs are low resistance.
Heating elements ... much more difficult ... much more juice.

Unlike "radio", a large magnet may be a sort of "magnetic field antenna".
In radio, to receive long-waves down in the 2khz range, you would need a very very very long antenna ... even if that antenna was Quarter-Wave.
Yet a MAGNET ... and a BAR ... and a COIL ... may be a different sort
of antenna that is long-wave and can couple with the Earth's field
since METAL responds to the Earth's field. I.e. you can provide a
quick magnetic pulse and make the electrons and protons in the metal
spin for a time ... As these spins start to settle down, feeling the drag
of the Earth's field, they start to adjust and spin with the Earth's magnetic
field. So all around us we have a magnetic field -- kinda weak though -- that will take what we have done SPIN-WISE ... and alter it into what it wants to do SPIN-WISE... We provide a little power ... the Earth undoes our power ... and puts things BACK to what it wants restoring balance.
Resonance matters because like pushing a child on a swing, we need
our pulses to be exactly right so that we can HARNESS the Earth's field
properly.

I think many of us have been working out ideas like this ... and the real challenge here is building a machine to do this that is self powered.
I feel, however, the design of this machine need not be Hendershot's original schematic (given we can't find that ... there are several alternate schematics and a disinfo campaign to contend with). Rather, we need to understand what is going on here and make NEW machines that harness energy this "new" way.

This challenge needs to be approached with great respect too because if it is indeed "easy" to do ... the geo-political ramifications of this are non-trivial ... and "change" comes with great risk and resistance.

You can either "share everything you do" freely with the world and not swet it ... or have really really good security and keep your notes under lock and key.

Welcome to the puzzle.
-morpher44
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The Hendshot Motor was designed for use in the air (after the plane had taken off on a conventional engine). Possible that the generator output increased with altitude i.e. position in the earths magnetic field. Also the flight was almost exactly East-West (New York to Paris) - The orientation of the generator itself within the Earths magnetic field (itself the power source) is a major factor in obtaining a reliable output. You should perform any testing at altitude if possible and facing East-West
Hi MetalHolly.
Actually, Hendershot was interested in aviation and induction compass, etc. The toy plane he made for his son could SIT stationary on a table-top and SPIN. No flying involved.
Re: cutting east-to-west
Hendershot found that you can CUT a magnetic field accross the east-west direction to create a SPIN. You can do this with any magnetic field -- including one provided by your OWN magnet. The Earth's field is pretty weak -- 40uTeslas to say 60uTeslas. A household refridgerator magnet is say 1mTesla (16x or more times stronger). He appears to have wound a coil around a magnet -- in a very magnetometer is sort of way. How he fit this into a motor that "self powers" is a bit of a mystery. The motor had a magnet (or 2) inside, though, you can be sure of that.
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