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Old 10-06-2012, 01:28 AM
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Hey GSM
Great bit on metal detectors I own a couple of minelabs great machines, I have been planning on winding some specific coils for it but havent got around to it yet.
Very interesting discussion.
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Old 10-06-2012, 04:41 AM
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A guy can't change his mind?

Greetings, Graham...

"As to how C1 gets charged: TWO ways, now that I think about it."

What, a guy can't change his mind around here?

Interesting article about the metal detectors, but I kept tripping over the phrase "very weak field" where an object (or person, for that matter) is "pinged" by a coil at a certain field strength to get it to precess, then the coil becomes the receiver to detect the very weak precession signal.

So you're saying the core is being rattled at the molecular level by the resonant field in L2+L3+L4, resulting in electron motion/charge separation in the capacitor, which is then transferred to L1, right?

Seems to me that's pretty much what I described quite a while ago, minus the NMR portion of it, and if at NMR a material emits a WEAK signal, it seems like a lot of trouble to go through to obtain it, unless you can somehow REALLY rattle the hell out of the core to obtain a STRONG signal, in which case it WOULD be worthwhile.

NMR in a 6" diameter, 3" tall coil? REALLY?

I'm not saying Lester DIDN'T manage to do precisely what you're suggesting (unwittingly, of course), but I have to remind myself that his work was performed between the late 1920s and early 1950s. Given the REALLY simple materials of the time, in the hands of a patient, highly observant and creative individual, well, let's face it: he did it! Without semi-conductors, oscilloscopes, DVMs and all the other fancy tools we have in our modern-day world.

Lawrence Rayburn once said (paraphrasing) that we (collectively, who are involved in FE research) spend too much time thinking and analyzing, and not enough time cutting and trying. You know, I think the old guy was right! He once told me that one day he "saw" how the TREC worked, and he then went off and did it. After a whole lot of cutting, trying, tuning and tweaking, he was pulling down 14KW from an antenna connected to a whole lotta cleverly wound coils. Pretty damned impressive for a retired electrician and ham radio operator!

If what I'm seeing in my mind's eye is accurate -- and I'm pretty sure it is -- I think it's time for me to follow ol' Larry's advice. I'll be reporting findings and progress along the way.

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Old 10-06-2012, 06:25 AM
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Hendershot's Ideas....

Hi Graham and others.

I was fascinated by Lester Hendershot's Fuelless Generator, and learned that Mr. Hendershot had other clever gizmos as well.

We have to read up on him and see that he first:
* made a TOY plane that appeared to power itself (for his son)
* worked on a LARGER model that was demoed to dignitaries
including Charles A. Lindgergh.
* worked on many variants of his so-called Fuelless Generator.

These were NOT the same things ... but may have used some interesting principal that Hendershot found.

I was trying to break this down more simply and was inspired to do this:
Hendershot's Compass Discovery (more carefully done) - YouTube

Later, I did this which was fascinating:

Magnet - Compass - Solenoids (Hendershot Mystery) - YouTube

You have to realize that Hendershot was not attempting to make a generator. What he was attempting to improve upon was the so called "induction compass", a device used in planes to navigate. It had a crude meter than would tell you to turn left or right to stay on course. Air coming into a special pipe on the plane would SPIN a rotar and the EARTH's magnetic field would be used with a coil to induce a current. You could set a course and stick on it -- like Charles Lindburgh used. Problem was, this was not ideal for airplanes because on different parts of the globe, the Earth's field is different, and their are great big curving fields, etc.

Hendershot was looking to "tweak" things for a more accurate measurement.
There is a little generator in these induction compasses to MOVE THE NEEDLE. This is lower-power stuff. So how do you get more power?

I'm sure he reasoned that you can either have a moving coil in a stationary magnetic field (to induce current), or you can have a moving magnetic field near a stationary coil. This is a rather obvious relativity idea.

Wouldn't it be cool, if you could easily create MOVING MAGNETIC FIELDS, and just have your coils sitting their making power. There is NO MECHANICAL WEAR. NO INTERTIA? A Rotor in a wind generator has horrible FRICTION ... and wear ... and must physically spin up .. and is slow... etc.
Magnetic fields, on the other hand, are invisible and are only affected by nearby massive objects or other fields, etc.
So the geometric challenge and electrical engineering challenge here is to architect a geometric field that spins or wiggles NEAR a coil.

So now we look at Hendrshots interesting horseshoe magnet - SLASH - RELAY - SLASH -- CLAPPER -- SLASH -- WATCH-YOU-MA-CALL-IT.
What is that thing?

A horseshoe magnet BENDS a magnet so that NORTH and SOUTH faces can be presenting to the same side.
Let us say that the LEFT side is NORTH and the RIGHT side is SOUTH.
If you put a coil opposite the NORTH and another opposite the SOUTH,
you could induce in those coils an opposing or attracting force.
With that device you can further BEND the natural magnets fields
OUT to the side of the magnet and not at the face.
You can further enhance this effect by putting metal BAR in-between
this arrangement.

Now if you had larger PICK-UP coils for generation that were on the sides of the magnet, you could induce a PUSH-PULL -- WIGGLING magnetic field near these coils and make them oscillate, inducing current ... brought back over to push and pull against your natural horseshoe magnet.

This system, you would think, when left in a faraday cage, and left to quiet down, would not oscillate ... because nothing is shaking it.
I think that is probably true.

So I suspect that Hendershot has made an oscillator that has LARGE coils, all connected in series to boost "L" -- the inductance -- up to a large value. You also have to use larger gauge wire so that resistance is low. You have to be very clever mechanically.

What a great hobby.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:49 AM
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magnetic tuning...

this was fun too:

"Hendershot Fuelless Generator" - Relay Pulsing (Part 2) - YouTube
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Tuned L-R-C

In basic electronics we learn that the most power can be obtained if your L-R-C circuit (or circuit equiv.) is resonant with whatever frequency your trying to do. For something like a mechanical buzzer, we are talking frequencies that are very low ... 20Hertz .. upwards to 120Hertz. Buzzers can't go much faster.

Further, Hendershot was able to power some household appliances w/o damaging them so his device must have be near 60Hz.

So as you work out your circuit, you want to impedance match that part of it that is low frequency.
I suppose there could be multiple oscillations across the spectrum ... harmonics ... which certainly happens in nature with many things.
But the buzzer thing is low frequency.

I just wanted to pass along that insight so that some of you don't waste time creating coils that are going to DAMPEN your results.
Think LARGE inductance here ... low resistance, LARGE capacitance... and practice safe-circuits with this stuff. Hendershot zapped himself silly many times.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:46 AM
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Hey GSM
Great bit on metal detectors I own a couple of minelabs great machines, I have been planning on winding some specific coils for it but havent got around to it yet.
Very interesting discussion.
Thanks

dave
Hi Dave,

When I first built the ferrite sleeve inductors I became amazed at how intense the magnetic fields were, also how well coupled with free space they are too. The resonant RF magnetic fields generated by a larger diameter of one of these loops (up to 24" known constructed within a wreath case) can invisibly boost AM radio reception by inductive coupling through walls from another room.

Where resonance is of prime importance then solid inductor cores, and sleeveless plain wire inductors too, are so long overdue in becoming ancient history ! (Except for UHF+ and impulse technologies.)

Notice in that video I linked -
7" Longwave Ferrite Sleeve Loop Antenna Demonstration - YouTube
how Gary has his FS Loops mounted 4 to 5 feet above ground level on plastic frames in order to keep the magnetic fields generated by the sleeve from becoming degraded though imbalanced loss effects, for any nearby metal objects significantly shift the resonant peak. Not hard to imagine that these would work excellently with phase discriminating metal detector circuitry. Hendershot generators need to be similarly raised above ground too, and kept away from wires; they would never work on a metal workbench, nor even on a wooden bench or table with drawers beneath full of metal tools or cutlery !

I'm not trying to respond especially to you here Dave; merely trying to encourage everyone to become 'hands-on', and start constructing 'coils', for the way the non-elected ones who give themselves rights to decree are closing more and more power stations, and knowingly heading us into trouble by not first organising alternative generating capacity to be available through the colder chemtrail winters they are also causing, means we are going to need to look out for out individual selves, families and communities !

Gary shows the FS Loop RF field being inductively coupled into his portable receiver, and yet of course even his radio is creating field disturbance and transduction loss.

The best way to couple with the energy of any resonant coil is electrically via feeder cable to another winding centre balanced over the energised coil/ core, or, via planetary winding(s) on other (or many) external satellite core(s) in symmetrical parallel alignment, such that a fixed mutual coupling arrangement may be established with minimum impingement upon core field congruity through disturbance of spatial fields.
Both techniques being used by Lester in his generator, and so what might a ring of six or eight synchronously cross coupled Hendershot cylinder assemblies generate ?

If a 3 to 8" diameter FS Loop is wound with say 20 to 10 turns and tuned with a 100pF variable, their 'Q' is so high that they can still be peak tuned upon a single AM broadcast carrier frequency in the 49 metre band !
Also if but one end of such a tuned assembly is short crock clip lead connected to the collapsed telescopic antenna of a SW portable, with the other tuning capacitor connected coil end left free in open 'air', then in urban surroundings this is better than having a full size external antenna with ATU, because these compact antennas not only generate output with respect to their local noisy free space environment, but they retain full figure-of-eight capabilities for deep computer PSU noise nulling etc.

Sleeve core inductors are a most interesting way of learning about electromagnetic relationships, though not the other scalar/ longitudinal EM radiation relationships. Kapanadze has been using sleeve cores too - to energise NMR within a centred (concealed) shorted turn metal ring, whereas Lester's core material was appropriate for both functions.

Also, as Kapanadze and the powerful MRI Unit inductors already do, I think we should look towards running Hendershot investigations with the coil axes horizontal so that any LF core fields do not unipolarly penetrate and locally vibrate the Earth's mantle with respect to free space.

Wow the Sun is out, so I'll be back later.

Cheers ......... Graham.

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I am indebted to 'Crusty' who forwarded this file link today. Thank You Crusty.

http://www.overunity.de/downloads/sa/downfile/id/14/

Check out the C1 long foil tabs emerging from the bottom of both coils !

Is this the foil which collects internally radiated charge and maintains oscillation ? Thus being both an essential input trigger terminal, as well as for observing feedback via a HiZ scope probe ?

See Crusty's own circuit drawing which he traced from the photos of this Aho generator, that might have been a self runner, if only temporary.

Is that a radio or amplifier to the right of the main board, used to listen for oscillation start-up and tuning ?
An AM radio is something I have used in the past to show whether an audio amplifier output stage is momentarily 'squegging' reactively on transients.

Good to see your links too Morpher. I studied your Hendershot vids back in 2009-10, and yes there is much to consider in relation to Lester's NOT simplistic buzzers.

Cheers ............ Graham.
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If coil is stationary what is rotating and moving through cosmos ;-)
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If coil is stationary what is rotating and moving through cosmos ;-)
The coil in a synchronous motor is stationary !
What is rotating - the field;
so physically moving - the rotor.

The field wave along the Hendershot coil is cycling longitudinally (capacitors and L2.L3.L4), but also with coincidental standing wave oscillating (L1) phonically related to physical length of core, and the shorted turn.
so physically moving - the molecular/atomic domains of already precessing electron orbits.

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Let's look bigger scope.... Earth is rotating, someone says its magnetic field is rotating too, but the fact is - it doesn't matter if it's rotating or not, because here we are all bond to gravity field and are in the same point of reference so any current induced in wire by Earth field is not visible unless.... you know what Hendershot,Hubbard,Ed Leedscalnin, C.Amman, Clemente Figuera (known as Figueras) knew in period between 1900 and 1939, and of course thousands of other inventors later....

From all those I think Hendershot gone far in explaining the principle. Levitation inside wires . Most probably related to standing electric waves, because Tesla described how he thought about a metalic ring rotating above equator around Earth...
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Let's look bigger scope .... Earth ... here we are all bond to gravity field ... I think Hendershot gone far in explaining the principle. Levitation inside wires ... Most probably related to standing electric waves ...
Yes and no !

Instead of gravity field - yes - think atomic relationships;
levitation inside wires - no - inside the core;
standing electric waves - yes - plus phonic vibration within core;
and energy released - yes - like an electromagnetic earthquake !

Cheers ........... Graham.
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Hi Chris,

Apologies for delay in getting back to you. I am trying to catch up on posts after replying first to some other recently introduced communications.

Re your last - I might sometimes be wordy, but I'm no academion, and managed to not use 10,000 words replying to Boguslaw !

I think that finding suitable core material and thickness is crucial in this design.

Hendershot is reported to have used an old fashioned tin can in earlier versions of his generator. It was better known in the 1930's than now that tin can be electromagnetically induced to become artificially radioactive, whereupon that radioactivity could empower surrounding circuitry in much the same way as if radium had been used.

Lester's tinned cans 'stopped working'; we are told he thought this due to moisture from his hand-made capacitor affecting the can.
Did he not have any celluliod already available ?

Artificially induced radiation is however via an irreversible atomic change of the atoms within molecules; ie; the 'active' tin is consumed in a manner which might well make it appear as if corroded, and thus it would actually need to be replaced with fresh tin, just as in nuclear generators.

So if his tin cans had stopped working, then this was proof that ordinary thin sheet steel would not work either because it was not the iron atoms/ molecules alone powering his own specific arrangement.
Maybe this is why Lester moved on to the chromium-steel, seeking another electromagneticly resonatable/ energisable crystalline composite ?

Using your terminology of "rattled" - yes that was exactly what was happening to the core (not the wire), and is this not exactly what Aho reported feeling when he squeezed a core assembly in order to tune a generator into life ? !!!

The length of L2 - I'm guessing is circa 65 feet, only. On both halves of the circuit diagram these L2 windings are connected directly to a high impedance transformer primary; hence with the core being a shorted turn and the L2 not capacitively tuned, these L2 windings are a transducer rather than resonator. The capacitor tuned L1 core overwind is likely to have a much greater influence upon L2 than other aspects. L2 then works in association with L3 and L4 via the phase shifting capacitors.

That hand wound capacitor.
As you say - a real biggie - for us anyway.
Also as Crusty has noted - its third long C1 element electrode terminal WAS used, and as other drawings clearly show it was paper insulated from the metal core.

As you wrote about this Hendershot device Chris - "the next step is in experimenting ..."

However you then mentioned a TREC (?), and if some arrangement can already pull 14kW out of the 'air' then we are wasting our time here !
Any validated leads on that one ?

Regarding your mention of Lawrence Rayburn - I disagree.
I have witnessed people wasting literally countless hours empirically trying and re-trying experiments because they have not known what they are doing.
We need to understand what we are doing before we can make any device work - like Lester did via his own unaligned thought processes.
That 'toy' aeroplane of his (which set all of this off) was an imagineering masterpiece, and I wonder where it is today.

Cheers .......... Graham.

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Old 10-07-2012, 06:34 PM
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"Where's the Beef?"

Hi Graham,

For now, it might be best if we simply agree to disagree on the importance of the core material. Devices like the TREC use no core at all, yet capture and make available thousands of watts of usable energy. With ALL such devices, one MUST ask the question, "What, precisely, *IS* the energy source?" It doesn't just manifest out of thin air (unless you're on the Board of the Federal Reserve -- sorry, couldn't resist that one), so to put it another way, "Where's the Beef?"

Many of the so-called FE devices, including those by Hubbard, Stubblefield, Perrigo, Moray, Perrault and others, have been linked with the use of mildly radioactive materials. Whether by natural means or artificially induced, those various isotopes ARE the fuel, and like any other form of fuel, must be periodically replaced. The next questions then become, at what level of safety, and at what cost?

The TREC takes a different approach. Here's a simple experiment you can try: stick an antenna up into the air and connect to it a spectrum analyzer. What do you see? You see small "bits" of energy all across the spectrum. You see electrical "noise" in the atmosphere, generated by both natural and man-made sources, across an enormous range of frequencies. THERE'S THE BEEF. So how do you tap into that? The short answer is "with miles of wire, in the form of coils tuned to certain bandwidths. A complete answer requires a protracted explanation, which I must reserve for another time, but suffice to say that it can and HAS been done.

One fascinating aspect of the TREC is that it BUILDS UP that energy over a relatively short period of time, which then CIRCULATES through the device AND THE LOAD, while simultaneously adding a small amount of energy back into the system as it's operating.

Now I ask you: Is this not exactly what the Hendershot device is doing on a much smaller scale? You have two resonant LCR circuits, constructed in such a manner that it cannot help but operate in a resonant, see-saw kind of way, that receives an energetic boost via the magnetic circuit, at LEAST once, if not twice, per AC cycle, which then flows through the load, and continues BACK into the system. Further, if the energy being added to the system exceeds the amount being used, has our goal not been reached? If you're adding, say, .003 watts PER CYCLE in a system operating at 100KHz, do you not have 300 watts of available energy? And assuming you're using just a bit less than that 300 watts, is not enough energy available in the system to sustain its oscillations, AND to then add another .003 watts of energy per cycle back into the system?

No, my friend, Lester's ingenious device is no longer a mystery to me in terms of how it operates, but as how to best construct the circuitry for optimal performance. It does not require deep thinking of modern physics, spin precession, radiation, et. al., ad nauseam. In essence, Lester's device is nothing more than a sharply tuned oscillator which adds a bit of fresh "juice" with every cycle. One's WiFi router or a nearby radio station's transmitter could provide enough initial energy to get the oscillations going (though it might take a while to get started). The "secret" is in his magnetic "buzzer." It simply needs to add a feeble pulse of energy induced by the magnet's flux through the buzzer coils, every time a wave passes through those coils, which causes a make and break of the magnetic circuit. THERE'S THE BEEF. So pull up a chair and enjoy your steak.

The "devil," as always, is in the details. Hairline adjustments of the various components, impedance matching EVERYTHING, etc. -- but it's not magic, it's simple, if not ingenious, electronics, of the level that a sharp high school student could achieve. I can now hear the roar of the crowd in the forum: "Okay, Chris, put your money where your mouth is! Build it! Let's see it work!"

As Tony DiNozzo (NCIS, Tuesdays on CBS) would say, "Workin' on it, Boss."

Chris
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:48 PM
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Oh Chris - I think you are in for a head slap !

Those cored buzzer coils are likely to be in the 10mH inductance range, each, thus with impedance circa 16,000 ohms at 100kHz !

Do you have a link for that 'TREC' device, for no matter how many uV/m spikes you can see on a spectrum analyser, there is no POWER to be had from any such received signals !

Sadly so much disinfo abounds with the deliberate intention of engaging classically educated minds !

Cheers ......... Graham.

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Thwack!!

Hi Graham,

Sure, it's possible that his buzzer coils may have had a fairly high impedance, we just don't know the wire size, number of turns, etc. so we have no way of knowing fore sure. Nor do we know how often the buzzer contributed to the overall energy. I did a quick calculation just to see what might be possible. I came up with .5 volts at 6mA to reach .003 watts, which came out to 83.33 ohms - which might be reasonable, I'd have to investigate to see what wire size could produce those values.

As for the thwack on the back of the head, yeah, it dawned on me that there's no way in hell the mechanical buzzer could operate at 100KHz, so indeed, thwack! UNLESS, the buzzer did NOT operate in a mechanical make/break fashion, but instead operated PURELY by an increase in flux density, which is ENTIRELY possible, e.g., like the MEG, Flynn, or similar. It's entirely possible that the two buzzer coils could be injecting one helluva big spike, far less often. I still say it's a sound concept. "That's my story and I'm sticking to it."

As for the TREC, send me your e-mail address in a PM, I've got a sizable RTF file with all the posts collected over several years relating to the project.

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"And now about circuit: The device has two generators. One generator excites inverter for powering up second generator of nanosecond pulses and powers up main coil. Next - the coils. The coils is winded on plastic core material and contain 3 windings: First with wire about 0,25-0,3mm (will say exact measurements when I will unwind coils. It is ex-Tesla coil with additional windings added in later experiments). Next coil is on top of first is resonant coil with wire diameter 0,65mm (will call it resonant coil because it has connected only capacitor with capacity 1,5 micro farrads x 400V). Next coil is 50 Ohm....
SOUND FAMILIAR??? (despite its "Russian accent")

Found at overunity.com:
Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

Sounds to me like the concept of having a resonant LC on the same form with other coils is essential in these types of devices.

Just food for thought....
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:32 AM
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TREC - I do not wish to deal with any item which is not already *open source* on the 'net. We move forwards only by free publication and open sharing so that everyone can try/ use and provide hands-on feedback for improvements etc.
The other links you provide mention NMR too - as I suggested happens here within the core of the Hendershot device, though resonantly and without sparks.

Those 'buzzer' coils were likely 110Vac capable; the same Hendershot environment in which they must not overheat.

Please note that whilst I have proposed possible activities within the device I am not stating your concept is wrong; we need conclusive evidence in order to establish a modus-operandi.

Cheers .......... Graham.

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ChrisW you are correct about the input bit of energy. GSM you are correct about core, but what is a core anyway ? Take a coil with iron core, isn't a core also a secondary like in Tesla coil ?

We could better precise : a source of electrons generated inside by induction of rotating Earth. Add ground also , the same.

The main problem is the efficient receiver. We have to construct a closed loop system with resistive load (or inductive but it complicated a lot of things) which do not deplete resonant condition, only slightly damp. Then antenna or core and/or ground connection to receive a bit of energy or/and electrons.
With currently used types of circuits it's impossible because resonance is strictly "stiffen" by connection to power source which damp or disturb natural oscillations. The same about Lenz law.
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Hi Graham and others.

I was trying to break this down more simply and was inspired to do this:
Hendershot's Compass Discovery (more carefully done) - YouTube

What a great hobby.
Hi Morpher,

So pleased to hear from you !
I'm still trying to catch up with posts, and value yours greatly.

Re your linked video.
After I saw it in 2010 I superglued two neodi magnets with like poles together. I had to make a screwed wooden clamp in order to keep them from spinning or sliding apart.
I had two Norths lengthways off the 'magnet' ends, with the South equatorial, such that when the composite magnet was rotated, a compass sensed the N and S poles, and spun twice per 'magnet' revolution.

Then I overwound a coil such that when DC was passed through the winding over the magnet the compass could be made to gradually deflect angularly in different directions according to direction of current flow, or be induced to spin via pulsing as you demonstrated, and thus an applied single phase AC would generate fully rotating but oppositely spinning fields for equatorially positioned compasses either side of the long N-S-N poled centre line !

Your video just made me think about Hendershot's bipolar magnetron magnet. He was bound to have had everything about this in his head all those years ago.

My imagined modus operandi for the Hendershot generator relates to longitudinal HF phonic (domain) resonance about a circumferential centre line half way along the core length, with phased longitudinal LF field, tuned resonant field and shorted turn effectively generating a mutually rotating and coupled field between like coils.
There has though been considerable excess energy which I think could relate to simultaneous NMR when tuning characteristics match core material.

Yes, and hobbies are even better when they are made to pay for themselves.
(Was looking for a smiley with knowing wink, but don't see one.)

Cheers ............ Graham.

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In Morphers vid I suppose he is using the same solenoid both wound the same way I wonder what the effect would be if the solenoids were wound opposite, would the compasses rotate opposite?

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ChrisW you are correct about the input bit of energy. GSM you are correct about core, but what is a core anyway ? Take a coil with iron core, isn't a core also a secondary like in Tesla coil ?
A core is normally of matter where electron spin orbits within are induced to align, but where electron (field) activity is also controlled (light speed limited) by the atomic structure of the matter.
A Tesla coil does not have a core other than the free surface congregated electrons and the winding itself, so not all of Tesla coil/ electrode activity is light speed limited.

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We could better precise : a source of electrons generated inside by induction of rotating Earth. Add ground also , the same.
Source of electrons ? Or movement of electron charge through a closed system ? I wonder.
Source of energy being generated for the load to dissipate ???

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The main problem is the efficient receiver. We have to construct a closed loop system with resistive load (or inductive but it complicated a lot of things) which do not deplete resonant condition, only slightly damp. Then antenna or core and/or ground connection to receive a bit of energy or/and electrons.
With currently used types of circuits it's impossible because resonance is strictly "stiffen" by connection to power source which damp or disturb natural oscillations. The same about Lenz law.
+/- 90 loading current from L2,3,4 overwinds, out of phase with 0/180 degree buzzer regenerating input.

Experimentation is essential, and yet I too wonder like Chris if beforehand we might be able to establish a better starting point; for example what about using a variable frequency square wave driven transformer secondary in place of the magnetic buzzer ?

Morpher, you have studied Hendershot buzzer characteristics, do you think this could be worth a try, or would the nature of induced current/ voltage phase relationship be wrong such that we would need reactive (tuned series or parallel C-L) drive ?

Cheers .......... Graham.
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Graham,

The TREC is indeed open source on Yahoo group OneSmallStepForMan. My compilation simply boils it down to the most pertinent facts. My offer still stands.

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ChrisW you are correct about the input bit of energy. GSM you are correct about core,

We could better precise : a source of electrons generated inside by induction of rotating Earth. Add ground also , the same.

The main problem is the efficient receiver. We have to construct a closed loop system with resistive load (or inductive but it complicated a lot of things) which do not deplete resonant condition, only slightly damp.
Hi Chris,

I answered Special Agent Boguslaw's earlier above post with this comment -

"Source of electrons ? Or movement of electron charge through a closed system ? I wonder.
Source of energy being generated for the load to dissipate ???"

I wrote that purely as a reply, but it resonated with repeated thought synchronicity, until it came back as a head slap this morning.

Everybody is seeking a replacement for electric power - whether via electrons or ions, or alpha or beta energisation, or plasma release - in order to provide energy - to consume energy - the bi-products of which eventually pollute our home planet.

But (forgetting grammar) Hendershot was not making energy by generating new electrons, he was merely moving charge via a closed circuit of electrons which already exist, and the only mechanism he had for doing this was via those buzzer mechanisms.

And (forgetting grammar again) that head slap made me realise this - when buzzer coils are tested for inductance, exactly as any investigating scientist would, their cores are NOT polarised !

The core of a Hendershot buzzer has temporary remenence - like a magnetic short circuit - so the buzzer coils simply cannot have the same high impedance as is measured on the test bench, and as arises in real-world Hendershot device operation just prior to their instant of core field collapse and then reversed sequence repeated when vibrating in the magnet field !

Which brings me more to your way of thinking Chris, for Hendershot's buzzer cores were to a magnetc field as like capacitors are to an electric field. The electron spin orbits within the core (domain alignments) were aligning with the magnet's already polarised (and polarising) spin orbit, then, as the core spin orbits returned to molecular normal (field collapse) the windings transduced an energy pulse - this with an active electrical time constant related to the length of the buzzer winding and its electrical characteristics at the instant of field collapse, and not merely the passive inductance of the winding, which would be more like an HF high impedance (virtual OC) for any cyclic momentary period during which the core was not energised.

Did the flip-flop tank cores need to be tuned to the buzzer pulse width, this being of much higher frequency that the buzzer's mechanical vibration frequency - and yet - with both of these frequencies subsequently needing to be mechanically/ electrically synchronised ? !

Which brings me back to my last post, for maybe a LF square wave output drive, via a series capacitor, which HF pulse resonates a transformer, could replace the buzzer for experimental purposes, whilst a 180 degree phased/ balanced/ coupled twin HF oscillating tank coil arrangement, is tuned to the energising transformer resonance, and AC load tested with +/- 90 degree series capacitor phasing at LF.

(Makes me think of spark energised arrangements like Don's, though there, any phase shifted loading was not apparent.)

Cheers ......... Graham.

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Greetings, Graham,

Shame on you, starting sentences with "And" and "But" -- surely, the Queen would not approve! Long live the Queen! (from the roar of the crowd comes a voice "And all who sail in her!" )

Funny, just as I was also coming around to your way of thinking! On more than one occassion, George Bugh mentions a "weak, static, magnetic bias field" to achieve spin resonance.

Looking at Lester's earlier designs, three things jump out at me. 1) He had a coil surrounded by a magnetic "yoke," the precise definition of which remains uncertain, but at the bottom of this coil is a RING MAGNET. 2) Looking at his amplification system, one sees four coils (page 33 of Hilton), two of which are turned at 90 to the other two, and 3) his consistent use of a strip of metal, which Hilton calls the "resonator strip."

In (1) and (2), do you not see a means of providing a BIAS field? In (3), is not the suspended metal strip mechanically equivalent to the Mark 3 version's spring-loaded metal strip (on the end OPPOSITE the permanent magnet)?

Whilst his mechanical design varied slightly from one creation to the next, the underlying principle remained consistent throughout the years.

At its core (pardon the pun), every Hendershot device is a magnetic amplifier within a resonant system (with the possible exception of his motor, which I perceive to be a predecessor to Bedini, sans battery -- perhaps worthy of future discussion), in which all of the energy in the system is recycled and is used to build an ever increasing amount of energy, limited only by the physical ability of the system to carry the current (e.g., wire sizes, capacitance, etc.).

"Oscillators amplify, and amplifiers oscillate," Lawrence once told me. The Mark III is a magnetic amplifier embedded in an oscillator.

To momentarily digress:

You mentioned previously that you didn't think there was any POWER in all that EM noise all around us. Google "ambient energy antenna" and see how many hits come back. Now imagine such a system on a LARGE scale, using copper tubing and wire no smaller than 8AWG in the inductors and antenna system, wherein the energy is compressed into increasingly smaller bandwidths, where the voltage is raised to several kV, then allowed to jump a spark gap, thereby creating oscillation. If that's not enough to whet your imagination, look up Art Bell's loop antenna, built from 10AWG cooper wire, elevated to a height of 65 feet. He (stupidly, IMHO) paid someone to SUPPRESS the energy on the antenna so he could safely plug it into his ham radio equipment without blowing out the front end electronics.

Interview With Coast-to-Coast's Talk Show Host - Art Bell - C. Crane Company (800) 522-8863

Oh yes, make no mistake, the energy is there, it's real, and with a bit of work (and significant expense), very much usable!

Back to Hendershot:

There is undoubtedly a high frequency component, as I see it, at the L1/C1 and L2 level, and I suspect it's tied into that "virtual ground" idea that we've been kicking about. I further suspect that the lower 40uF cap serves as a capacitive coupling point to L2. In other words, the additional and recycled energy is fed to that cap, which then releases it into the oscillatory part of the system, similar to the way in which a cap is used to feed the base of a transistor. I'm not solid on this point, but that's where my intuition is leading me at the moment.

Okay, my brain is now depleted. Time to get tuned back into the universe...

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Ufff...sorry cannot help more because I'm not following Hendershot devices history or even remember his circuits. However I'm fully aware that magnetic current can flow infinitely inside iron core and we can re-use it continously to create charge separation when we know how. Ed Leedscalnin knew for example.
Charge separation seeks to balance and ....
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Let's look bigger scope.... Earth is rotating, someone says its magnetic field is rotating too, but the fact is - it doesn't matter if it's rotating or not, because here we are all bond to gravity field and are in the same point of reference so any current induced in wire by Earth field is not visible unless.... you know what Hendershot,Hubbard,Ed Leedscalnin, C.Amman, Clemente Figuera (known as Figueras) knew in period between 1900 and 1939, and of course thousands of other inventors later....

From all those I think Hendershot gone far in explaining the principle. Levitation inside wires . Most probably related to standing electric waves, because Tesla described how he thought about a metalic ring rotating above equator around Earth...
according to some theory, the field... is what is turning the earth

the weight of the earth, spinning at about 1000miles per hour...

if i recall correct, the available power is about 100 million horsepower, basically what Tesla said in 1900
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Okay, some of the remaining fog is beginning to clear.

Let's look back at the history, and thus the evolution, of Hendershot's devices. We begin with the Mark I.

Note: All references are to Hilton's research.

Hendershot states that his first "fuelless generator" WORKED ONLY WHEN THE DEVICE WAS PLACED IN A NORTH/SOUTH ORIENTATION.

That's the OPERATIVE (SOURCE) MAGNETIC FIELD. Earth's magnetic field. Although a magnet was located elsewhere in the circuit, the four primary coils, in their alternating positions, amplified a signal sourced by an ANTENNA, and that feeble amount of energy was enough to start the oscillations within the circuit, which then continued to build on itself. I believe it's safe to say that this device is the first derivation of his compass work, and that it's output was likely quite small.

Because Hendershot, or someone interested in the device, found the North/South alignment requirement objectionable, Hendershot set out on development of the the Mark II. In this version, Hendershot dispensed with the planet's magnetic field and devised a new "front end" using a RING MAGNET. Note that the "resonator metal strip" was STILL connected to an ANTENNA to provide the initial energy to set it into oscillation. It is likely that this version was a substantial improvement over the Mark I.

Note that in the Mark II, Hendershot was utilizing only one pole of the ring magnet, the field of which penetrated into the "tuning coil," as Hilton calls it.

Years later, the Mark III emerged. In this version, the resonator was improved by the use of horseshoe magnets, and now TWO "tuning coils" with the ever-present resonator strip, allowing Hendershot to take full advantage of the dual polarity and additional energy gain of a complete, optimal, magnetic circuit.

In summary, both the Mark I and Mark II utilized only ONE magnetic pole, yet still produced a usable current. It wasn't until the Mark III that serious power was developed, an estimated 300 watts worth.

Note that Hendershot's early compass work is what LED to the development of the Mark I, but that ALL later versions utilized MAGNETS, and NOT Earth's magnetic field, as the primary energy source.

Interestingly, Hendershot seems to have dispensed with the antenna in the Mark III model, as Hilton makes no mention of it in the text or the drawings. This could account for the start-up difficulties in that model, leaving me to think that its omission wasn't such a good idea after all.

In closing, it is apparent that Hendershot remained true to his METHOD, while making significant progress with each evolutionary step. It is up to us now to follow in his footsteps and bring this wonderful device back to life. Let us not permit the name Lester Hendershot to fade into historical obscurity!

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Let us not permit the name Lester Hendershot to fade into historical obscurity!

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I agree with everything in your last post Chris, and you know what, we are already bringing his name to the fore. Actually this is as if we are trying to reverse engineer some newly found alien equipment, except it is really a deliberately 'lost' technology, and one that is difficult to understand due to the way we bypass analogue fundamentals in today's hurried way of digital living, where we use devices to satisfy needs without questioning the 'how' of why they work.

I had mentioned the possibility of replacing the magnet/ buzzer assembly with an electronic drive to an energising transformer, and was thinking of something like this (which I already have - somewhere?). This offers an adjustable mark-space ratio and thus a tunable HF pulse width upon the AC drive waveform, whereby the adjustable generator may be tuned to a pair of matching coils, instead of two coils being brought into tuned operation with the still unknown and variable characteristics of a magnet buzzer. This would be like optimising spark duration on an already timed fuel injected engine, instead of having to do the same as well as choose jets, balance carbs and set up timing on a 'V' engine by ear.
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Then this morning I considered the likelyhood of a phase shifted (delayed) feedback loop BACK into the the buzzer/ cores from the output windings (to which the buzzer is connected), and this being what maintains core vibration.
I also thought about that vibration, for the coil induced voltage amplitude from a static magnetic field would relate to the amplitude-frequency-velocity of the oscillating core. Potentially the buzzer coil voltage could become considerable, and present considerable back-EMFs if the lamp were to unexpectedly blow and suddenly become open circuit whilst an operator was manually adjusting for peak tuning of a running generator, as per simultaneously pressure tuning both cores with one hand on each coil assembly !!!
Could easily be 2000V - Hendershots electric shock ?
Hence the clamps !

So I was wondering how to replicate the 'buzzer' and I recon we could use a high power Alnico horseshoe magnet with a pair of old 50Vac score unit pinball coils to make for 100Vac working (still available new as replacements from pinball repair shops), their matching plungers being affixed to a piece of soft iron bar cut to suit !

I know there are many other 'free energy' designs Chris, but I like Hendershot's because;-
it is completely self contained,
can be used anywhere (as in an isolated greenhouse),
and is EMP proof !

Thus investigative work must continue ...........

Cheers .......... Graham.

PS. I have the Australian Nutech pages and don't know of the Hilton notes, are they available on the 'net ?
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Greetings, Graham...

I've been giving considerable thought to the buzzer and how to begin. It may not be possible to move forward without retracing Hendershot's steps, i.e., recreating the phenomenon observed in the Mark I and Mark II. This is the metal resonator strip inside the coil in the latter device. Once the "wiggle" is seen on the scope, that first-hand knowledge and experience will be the guiding factor in recreating the Mark III.

At present, I'm inclined to say that it can be done with a ring magnet, a coil, the resonator strip and a frequency generator. The goal is to obtain an increase in voltage, i.e., amplification of the input signal. Once it is understood how the ring magnet, coil and resonator interact with one another, the rest becomes quite academic. Without taking this first step, successfully, I'm afraid the whole experience in recreating the Mark III will be an exercise in frustration and futility.

Thus, the use of a power pulse modulator would be premature, if not altogether unnecessary. After all, did Lester have such a device? On this note, I must also retract my concept of a transistorized drive circuit, even for testing purposes. I now believe we must make every effort to follow faithfully in Lester's footsteps, learning as he did along the way.

Your idea of phase shifting one full cycle is brilliant and accurate. This is much akin to phase conjugation, but at the RF level. Reintroduce the signal, in phase, at the input, and voila! Amplification!

As for Alnico magnets... well, if you can find one that's big enough! Since it's highly unlikely that we'll find the exact materials Lester used, we'll have to do the best we can with modern materials. What might work is simply two rather weak ceramic magnets on the ends of a U-shaped ferrite core. The dimensions of the core will be the trick. Short magnetic path, but ample space between the legs.

Finding bell ringer coils isn't as easy as it used to be, either. I do like your idea of pinball machine coils, though! Very creative thinking!

I, too, like Hendershot's design for the same reasons you do, plus the relative simplicity (once we fully understand what he did and how he did it).

Lastly, Hilton's book is titled "Secrets of Perpetual Power - The Hendershot Mystery." I'm sure it's still out there on the web in PDF form. It's about 30MB in size.

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Little off topic..... do you know if permanent magnet field strength was tested outside Earth magnetosphere by any Apollo or other moon project ?
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