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Old 01-03-2014, 11:56 PM
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Not before this week - and yes - this could be the gamechanger - especially with the Mk3.

Why was Lester's radio demo Mk3 generator board raised at an angle ?
As I questioned via my 27th Dec post here - because he used Ring magnets beneath the sleeve cores, with these magnets concealed by that baseboard construction, or a table cloth, possibly in the other 'working' photograph ?

The lore was that only Hendershot could tune up his Mk3 generators.

Yet maybe Lester used ring magnets beneath constructions and tablecloths thus ensuring controlled situation demo successes, and thus he had absolutely no concerns about letting others handle his constructions or even take them away and copy them because he knew that other 'experts' would NEVER get them running without the ring magnets they did not get !!!
I agree the ring magnet could well make the difference in the working of the MK1/2 device. But only bench tests will let us find out. Other details may be missing too in the draft patent... we'll see.

About the MK3 (device design of the late 50's) and the possibility of two hidden ring magnets that were extended by the core sleeves, yes it is a possibility, given the fact that Hendershot was threatened in 1928 and thus had become very careful not to disclose the mayor secret(s) of his device, but as an inventor still wanted to pass his invention on to humanity and be rewarded for it. For this reason I'm not trying to replicate this design (yet).

So in the end, while I'm still reading up on other devices as well, I think the MK1 device is sufficiently documented to be able to replicate. I'm going to concentrate my energy and time on the collector/resonator circuit to find out why Hendershot had built it like that. I admit I'll need to return to being an analog thinker and fiddler and immerse myself in the magic world of magnetism, induction coupling, resonance, and other related stuff.
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There is another factor relating to my reply here, and this relates to me separately hands-on investigating the fully Patented Wesley Gary magnetic generator back in Sept/Oct-2013, and me finding that effortless electrical generation does arise exactly as Wesley reported, also as had been independently witnessed and reported at that time.
Graham, can you point me to any of your (or anyone else's) published builds from Wesley Gary?

I have read the page on rexresearch but did not intend to replicate at the time.

Now seeing more clearly the relation of a possible resonance in the Hendershot devices around the neutral line Gary discovered and polarity change, together this might well bring us closer to unravel the MK1 mysteries...!
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A point to ponder

How would ring magnets (or any other shape for that matter) under the Mk III cap/coil sleeves affect the transformers that were obviously sitting on top of them if they were in fact there? I don't know enough about magnetics to venture a guess.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:34 AM
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Graham, can you point me to any of your (or anyone else's) published builds from Wesley Gary?
Hi pjotterkjen.

There are a few who have replicated Wesley's rocking magnet arrangements.
This is very difficult, especially to make a free running 'machine', and although possible, it quickly becomes obvious to anyone who tries this (me included), that it is also pretty pointless.

In the Dailymotion video I linked, that neutral zone effect demonstration was using a pathetic magnet (paperclip strength) creating field reversals within an ordinary transistor radio ferrite rod antenna, this because I needed to get the compass away from the nearest magnet pole.

That same mechanically *effortless* core field reversal as demonstrated occurs in relay/transformer type cores as well, whereby even the very *slowest* of physical movements will pulse illuminate LEDS connected to an overwind because the reversal within the metal occurs at its own independently fast and core molecule related speed, yet with a pulse output completion time period also separately related to the over-winding inductance.
So it is not just the existence of Wesley Gary's 'neutral zone' that is important, nor the lack of mechanical effort necessary in order to induce a neutral zone related core field reversal, but the high speed of the field reversal within the core, this being quite independent of the mechanical (or electrical) inducement initiating that field reversal itself, and requiring a load related over-wind inductance capable of optimising output for whatever reversing frequency is intended.

Getting back to your question about videos etc. of Wesley's generator - I am not aware of anything on the Internet in relation to this, and I most certainly will NOT be uploading anything in this regard either.

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How would ring magnets (or any other shape for that matter) under the Mk III cap/coil sleeves affect the transformers that were obviously sitting on top of them if they were in fact there? I don't know enough about magnetics to venture a guess.
Physically align the sleeve to be set just beyond or within ITS neutral zone field intensity distance w.r.t. the magnet's static field when the sleeve is additionally pulsed with an external winding induced field.
Sorry - I was talking about the tin etc. coil sleeve there, you asked about the transformers being affected - they won't be.
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Wesley Gary replication, et?

This guy claims to have "replicated" it: IceStuff.com: THE INTERFERENCE DISK ELECTRIC GENERATOR BY ALAN L FRANCOEUR from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org Geoff Egel

"I have also replicated the Gary W. Wesley permanent magnet motor from 1879, the magnet motor does seem to produce over unity but it is not connected as a self-runner yet. The neutral zone that Gary W. Wesley talked about is real and it does by pass back EMF. I felt it is worthy of reproducing this interesting device for it is related to the Interference Disc Generator that I constructed many years ago, which also by passes the back EMF."

There is some additional material that might be of interest - and use?
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Graham, can you point me to any of your (or anyone else's) published builds from Wesley Gary?
Al Francoeurs built one but not very well. It was, however, sufficient for his purposes. It led him to an idea for a Lenz-less generator. He has a system where both the coils and the magnets are stationary so there is no Lenz law effect and no need for brushes to capture the electricity. Between the coils and magnets, in the neutral zone, he rotates a plate with slots cut in the periphery that line up with the stationary coils/magnets. So rather than moving the magnet or the coil armature through the neutral zone he moves the plate which, when the plate is between the coil and magnet, blocks the magnetic field. When a slot in the rotating plate lines up with the fixed coil/magnet position the plate is no longer blocking the magnetic field so it pulses the coil and generates a current in same. It's not OU and it's not completely self-running but the motor he uses to spin the plate uses 15Amps ad 12 VDC and the device supplies 10 Amps of that so he's getting the same amount of work for 1/3 the price. I sure would like to accomplish that with my freaking air conditioner.

Overall, it's kind of like a rotary spark gap in that it produces "makes" and "breaks" but magnetic rather than electrical. Which gets me to thinking of "magnetic reconnection" again. Hmmm...

I think he did his work in the 70's so it could probably be improved with today's materials. I also don't know whether or not he was capturing both the forward and back EMF.

I didn't find any videos but I didn't do an extensive search. Here are a few links:
THE INTERFERENCE DISK ELECTRIC GENERATOR BY ALAN L FRANCOEUR from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org Geoff Egel
Zero Point Energy - Francoeur Al - MDG 2007
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter1.pdf

You might also search for "John Ecklin’s Magnetic-Shielding Generator". It's also covered in that last link, above, as are quite a few others.

So what would we get if we used that rotating, slotted plate in place of the armature in Hendershot's circuit? Seems like it would be too slow to produce much power unless the horseshoe magnet and the "buzzer" coils were scaled up substantially. Francoeurs did, however, say that it runs almost silently.
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Thank you for that excellent post txh1138.
You explained.
Magnets with cores+coils physically adjusted to be slightly closer to the magnets than is their neutral zone reversing position, then with a rotating plate repeatably reducing the field coupling such that the core fields will transducibly reverse plus reset on a cyclical basis. (Parallel to series and back to parallel field alignments.)
I cannot say anything less than - that was a very clever piece of equipment zapzap.

My thoughts were similar in that the Wesley Gary Generator could equally be made to operate without either moving the magnet or its armature, nor anything else moving either;-
ie. there is enough of a gap between a Gary type armature and the magnet polefaces after it has been adjusted to rest permanently closer than the armature's neutral zone position,
for additional turns of a separate and flat layer of spiral winding between each magnet-armature end,
to current energise two momentary single field decouplings capable of more efficiently causing the parallel>series>parallel armature field alternation,
as if the armature had been physically moved away from and then back towards its polarising magnet through its field neutral position.

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Synchronicity - it's everywhere

Thinking about Al Francoeurs' device I realised that it creates magnetic "makes" and "breaks" but that is not field reversal. So I looked at the link on Duncan's Christmas present about loud speakers and the voice coil and thinking about using that to pulse the armature back and forth.

It's not thought through all the way yet but somehow (using Duncan's H-bridge or maybe even just a frequency generator with somewhat high amplitude) attach the armature to the speaker cone and vibrate the speaker cone at 7.83Hz or an overtone of that such that the armature vibrates through the neutral zone at whatever frequency is chosen.

Researching that I went to this page about subwoofers:
Subwoofer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which led me to this page about "high-fidelity audio/visual reproduction standard for movie theaters".
THX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One of the standards is "THX" which is partially taken from movie "THX 1138" by George Lucas. It was the film he did before the first Star Wars movie and it's the basis of my handle. In the movie the protagonist breaks the chains of the totally controlled society in which he lives and attains a degree or autonomy unheard of in his day - hence my use of the character's moniker. In the movie people don't have names - they have serial numbers and his is "THX 1138".

And that's where the synchronicity reared its head. I need you guys to keep an eye on me for a while. I may start jabbering in numerology just any minute, now. Or, God forbid, string theory. They seem to be closely related.

Still, the subwoofer driver sounds like an idea - maybe remove portions of the cone so it doesn't actually make sound. I mean my house isn't nearly as strong as the Walls of Jericho and it's all I've got. Not to mention what loud subwoofer bass pounding string theory numbers around inside my garage while I'm jabbering numerology might do! I'm not sure what the safety procedures are for that circumstance but it probably involves a nap.

Edit: Save those old hard disk drives. They use neodymium magnets and voice coils to actuate the read/write head arm. Haven't yet figured out how to use the actuator arm to oscillate a armature but all of the pieces are right there in a hard drive. How to remove the magnet from it's backing plate:
How to Remove a Neodymium Hard Drive Magenet From It's Bracket - YouTube\

It works fine on the 4 I've done so far. The magnets are magnetized through the circumference so have north pole on one end and south pole on the other. Maybe stack the magnets to make the horseshoe magnet. They apparently have 60 degrees of arc so 3 arcs will make 180 degrees. Stack them 4 or 5 high and, wa la, a neodymium horseshoe magnet.
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Hi thx1138.

Talking about bass has nothing to do with this. Nor synchronicity; nor Aether etc.
My detached neighbour used to feel my stereo bass through his bum sitting 40ft away on his concrete doorstep. I shattered all the already wallpapered plasterboard joins in my lounge ceiling. Sub-bass - a long past experience here.

Please - will you get yourself a horseshoe magnet and then *hands-on* repeat my Wesley Gary demo Dailymotion video with a ferrite rod and compass.

Wesley Gary Neutral Zone - Video Dailymotion

Then upgrade to a power horseshoe magnet, or a lesser one with a neodi on each polar limb or neodis on each end of an iron/steel bar; plus an overwound core wired to reverse connected LEDs.
Even a large old fashioned relay core/coil will work if removed from its rear backing and armature.
Also possible to work would be the 'I' part of an 'E-I' transformer core with its winding slid over the 'I' section.

Do this just once and you WILL be heading in a different direction without ever looking back.

Please ................ just give it a try ..................

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It would be remiss of me not to enter here information I placed in Morpher's Hendershot thread;-

Hendershot Replications

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Hello Graham,
The heavenly intervention?
Gee, you sound just like me!
When I saw that meticulous Hendershot replication I just had to reply.

See my picture response to Wolf.
His own link failed to illustrate the centre twin coils with magnetic coupling.

I downloaded an article with several other pics like that, and some are already in the other Hendershot thread I started, but I cannot find that file still published anywhere on the Internet.
The photos were amongst Dutch and English texts, and went by Internet file names of;-
"dHendershot in Farbe" .... also .... "Hendershot in Farbe".

Sadly my EnergeticForum allowance for uploads is near full and the file size is 3.7MB so no way I can upload.

After re-studying the pics it even looks possible that each core-cap-coil assembly could have a third connection at the bottom ? !

There was a comment that Lester used a separate hook-up wire to get his generator going, so was it somehow connected to these unmentioned terminations.

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Thankyou for your Post as you have highlighted certain organisations that I have also been messing with.
'The FS Loop' looks interesting as a Moray 'front-end' and interested in your other Antennas as well.
Interesting that you mention the signal from New Zealand being the loudest or easiest to receive.
Perhaps this is due to the fact that they are sitting right along a Tectonic Plate just as you are in Washington State and hints of a Telluric association - this from Eric Dollard on the RCA Bolinas antenna site.
That was MW DXer extroadinary - Gary deBock in the video.
I live in Northern Ireland just outside Belfast.

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Have been collecting TV neck Ferrites here as they have been used in the 'DLRainmakers' and also have them inside a Caduceus wire wrapped device called a TEG (Torsion Energy Generator) which was one of the devices I built as a one off and came out with all sorts of wierd phenomena, none of which I understood at the time - 'one-wire electricity' and 'cold electricity' to name just two.
What is it that you have packed in the centre of your Coil?
Have you considered a Caduceus wrap on your Inductor with a crossing angle of 22.5º and this from George Van Tassel via Eric Dollard?
The FS Loops have but air or plastic foam in their centres.

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Reading quickly your article and I see you also have recognised the ability of a Ferrite as some sort of 'collector'.
Not going to go into the Aether bit here as this is probably not what it should be called and we need to recognise more the 'Counterspace' phenomena where we are working in another dimension just as our Sun is and probably Jupiter too (nothing Nuclear here either).
I also use Ferrite Flybacks here in high voltage work and have also noted some strange phenomena with respect to remanance and note that they use a 1mm gap but not for here just now.
'Aether' .. 'Counterspace' .. no matter what name
in that nothing happens in isolation -
always an equal but opposite reaction/response through space -
whether radial or directional in action -

but that term 'Aether' is by those who were lost for explanation of electromagnetic radiation, and because the 'teachers' do not want to reveal the Truth, the public is still being technically etherised.

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Reread Wesley Gary's Magnetic Motor and feel there to be a new understanding of how the device operates and most probably what Hendershot is also using as the BASE GENERATOR for developing a voltage and by nature of the organisation used, would be a reversing DC.
Looking for another word to describe this basic or beginning function.
The New York Times extract made me look differently at the entire construction of the device.
OK so this explains why it is not a voltage induced from outside but is developed by crossing the magnetic 'neutral zone'.
I had that NY Times article copied on my computer.
Don't see it on the 'net now ?

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Can see why this has not been attempted as a replication as the thin horse-shoe magnets would be a difficult find today.
That being said I have here an Ericcson Magneto with thinner magnets and may pull that apart and conduct some experiments - the Western Electric also here are much thicker.
Will put up some more pictures as I think this is helping others in their own mind development of the devices we mention here.
In fact, I have already been asked to do just that and probably now understand the problem as below.

I got a wake-up call this morning from one of my other Forums and the person said simply that most people do not think they have the ability to proceed with any of these devices as they are lacking in build confidence.
This is one ability that has been taken away by the use of Computers where most young people only feel comfortable behind a keyboard and what a young person used to work on, like a car for example, has been taken away by 'progress' OR, they don't want you working on your car as you might just be able to get more MPG than designed - it's called control!
1986 Toyota Seca Hatchback - 35mpg, when I had finished I was getting 49.5 mpg - that's what you are missing!

OK, so in summary, will start a Wesley replication as that is what is missing and needs to be working and understood.
Will get back when I have read your material fully and greatly appreciate the information.
Thanks.

Smokey
Yes David. We have generations following us who have been dumbed down by technological progress, highly controlled primary education and a tax system making employable adults so busy that young minds no longer receive adequate guidance and inspiration.

Thank you very much for your reply.

It is only when the magnetic field reversal fundamentals employed by Wesley Gary's type of generator are witnessed, that the necessary changes in mindset can begin to overcome those firmly already imprinted within us via 'peer' regulated 'education'.

As a next step, please try as I have implored thx1138 to do here -
Mr Lester J Hendershot's magnetic generator.

that energy does NOT come out of any Aether .................

Very Best Wishes ........... Graham.
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Maybe NOT phone _ringer_ coils

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Thats cool they could be oscillated with an external low power circuit,


just to vibrate the system. Has anyone tried winding the basket coils in opposite directions, then they could bounce a signal back and forth.
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Thats cool they could be oscillated with an external low power circuit, just to vibrate the system. Has anyone tried winding the basket coils in opposite directions, then they could bounce a signal back and forth.
An H-Bridge would be much better. You want a reversal of current not just an on/off. Note that both outputs of your circuit only return to zero and they both occur at the same time.

That reversal of field is what is missing in the magnetic machines that only block the magnetic field. They are only, so to speak, turning the magnetic field on and off while what is needed is a complete reversal implemented with reversal times as fast as possible, i.e. not a gradual reversal but as near instantaneous as possible. That's where the earlier post on loud speakers comes into play - the cores in the coils need to have as little hysteresis as possible at high frequencies and that is a facet of speaker voice coils. So the material chosen for the Hendershot "buzzer" coil cores, while almost immaterial in the coin chute telephone application, is critical for this application.
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That reversal of field is what is missing in the magnetic machines that only block the magnetic field. They are only, so to speak, turning the magnetic field on and off while what is needed is a complete reversal implemented with reversal times as fast as possible, i.e. not a gradual reversal but as near instantaneous as possible.
Hi thx1138.

I did not reply to your Double Coil Relay contribution because I was not sure why you had included it, and I was not going to make any assumptions.
This last post of yours however ..... has me smiling .....

and to which I could possibly add .....
because it is through using a magnet to induce a non-saturating bias polarisation, that a core field reversal may be electrically induced which requires less input energy than that which becomes transducible via the field reset subsequently re-generated;
and as you say - the faster the better.

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Hi David,

Good to see some new investigations beyond those stated within long ago vetted Hendershot based documents.

Yes all you need are two neodymium magnets, one for each pole end of either an old horseshoe magnet, or on an appropriately shaped iron/steel body, or even a straight piece of flat metal bar with magnets on its side-ends.

As for the armature core within our magnetic field reversal based (pre-Hendershot) Wesley Gary type tests, my thoughts are that *flat + thin metal types* would be essential (as used by Wesley) in order to ensure a fast shallow depth of penetration of magnetic reversal close to the magnet pole faces, such that the reversal is not negated/slowed by the need for an internal travelling wave of reversal diametrically into and through the body of any thicker remanent core, or say any circular core pole piece end not within an equal magnetic field all around itself as within shaped pole pieces or large iron/steel nuts/washers in series with the magnetic field!

A flat overwound ferrite rod plus plain horseshoe ???
An overwound iron sleeve within gapped washer ends on a horseshoe ???

So far I have found that modelling the plain mechanically induced series-parallel field reversals illustrated with the ferrite rod in my Dailymotion video is not as clear with solid round metal cores plus plain horseshoe magnet, though I now wonder about giving each end of a solid core a pair of field transferring flat bracket ends cut from relay bodies.

( After your reading about the FS Loop I wonder if you imagined as I did when I wrote those words - the possibilities for a pair of modern ferrite sleeves within a Hendershot type generator ?! )

Hendershot's twin sleeve cores were of course thin for fast field penetration + reversal + flip-flop repetition. Also those cores were completely surrounded by the smaller end windings which induced the phase reversed plus capacitively rolled field induction, plus the main windings for subsequent main core body field reset (induced by coaxial ring magnets beneath the board?). Further David as you have already photographed, the pulsed core field reversal operation need not require Hendershot's beguiling centre magnetic oscillator arrangement, but a substitute electronic pulse energisation.

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So rather than moving the magnet or the coil armature through the neutral zone he moves the plate which, when the plate is between the coil and magnet, blocks the magnetic field.
Thanks thx1138 for the information.

Last year I have been playing with the same idea of moving a plate instead of moving magnets or coils, and while not literally 'blocking' the magnetic field, the plate does re-align the what I call aetheric flow (since magnetism is an aetheric distortion caused by spin alignment of regions of atoms).
In other words, using the plate we move the Bloch wall (or neutral line according to Wesley Gary) around, and this of course influences the coils generating electricity on the magnetic field changes.

I'm going to take one step at a time.

In the MK1 device on which I'm concentrating, the collector is a simple metallic plate. The signal that is to go to coil #006 in the middle of the winding, is obviously a result of many very small signals picked up by the collector. In this view it works as an antenna. The signal picked up must be a result of eddy currents in the plate, generated by Barkhausen noise representing magnetic changes in specific regions in the metallic plate. The output signal must be a resulting waveform of many different signals with many different frequencies. In other words, the plate won't be resonating at all, just picking up signals continously.

So I'm trying to think what that small plate could have produced back in the location where Hendershot was doing his research. Was it maybe a lot of electromagnetic noise that was generated at that time, when big transmitters could freely emit lots of power without being filtered? I might think that today's noise is of a different kind, and maybe this collector just is not what today is needed to start the device.

So my first tests will involve a small plate connected to coil like #006, and build the #008 a/b and ring magnet around it. This should be all that is needed to try different 'antennas'. The Shape Power theory of Dan Davidson is going to help with that.

And if that doesn't work then we could generate the noise ourselves. I read that GSM picked up a lot of noise being close to LED displays, that would be one way to generate input to the circuit. Of course there are many others!

I think the resonator circuit does influence the whole device tuning of course, but is not crucial to the collector circuit. That comes later on.
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Drill template for 57 pegs Hendershot capcoil MK3

For the ones that are interested, while looking for MK1 stuff, I found a drill template scale 1:1 on overunity.de for the 57 pegs of the MK3 device, if this already has been shared my apologies.

http://www.overunity.de/index.php?ac...downfile&id=30
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Hard disk magnets

After tearing down 27 hard disks (yeah, I'm a pack rat) and finding all kinds of shapes and sizes of voice coil magnets used to move the head carrying arm I found only 7 that were the same size and shape. They don't make a good stack. It takes 3 to make the 180 degree arc so I can only stack 2 high with a third in the middle. That makes the poles about 3/4" wide and 3/16" high with a 2 3/4" outside dimension at the poles.

I did, however, find a batch of 20 of the same hard disk magnets on ebay for $25USD so I ordered them. That beats the hell out of the ~$250 for the other ones I listed in the parts document in an earlier post.

So it seems I'll be doing a build and would like comments on a couple of the notes in the "The Hendershot Motor Mystery" compiled by Tom Brown
Book page 52, PDF page54 - bottom of page. The notes are from J. G. Gallimore:

A. The size of the poles are critical
C. The size of poles determine size of coil
D. The diameter of coil determines size of poles

C and D basically say the same thing but he is talking about physical dimensions here. I guess that would be OK if we knew what the sizes of the poles were and what magnet material was used but I haven't seen those items specified other than in general terms like "radar magnet". I think what would be important would be the magnetic field strength rather than the physical size. If that is true then by his notes that would change the size of the cap/coil if we use neodymium magnets that are stronger than what was available in the 1950's.

Does anybody have any idea how to engineer that relationship using neo's? Best guess?
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My own comments in Morpher's Hendershot thread have equal interest here.

Hendershot Replications

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After tearing down 27 hard disks .....

..... I guess that would be OK if we knew what the sizes of the poles were and what magnet material was used but I haven't seen those items specified other than in general terms like "radar magnet". I think what would be important would be the magnetic field strength rather than the physical size. If that is true then by his notes that would change the size of the cap/coil if we use neodymium magnets that are stronger than what was available in the 1950's.
Does anybody have any idea how to engineer that relationship using neo's? Best guess?
Me know ? No.
My guess - all different types of magnet bodies would still have distinctly different dynamic induction/polarisation related characteristics, even if presenting equal static induction field strengths.

Another comment I should like to make here, and not directed at yourself thx1138.

There have been some suggestions relating to extremely high frequency related effects (GHz) within similar looking constructions, and these frequencies then related to Hendershot' generator.
However, it needs to be realised that his waveform phase changing capacitors have values circa 40uF, and the metal core coil overwinds are either three of 12 turns and one of 64 turns.
There is no way that a 5"dia. 12t loosely coupled winding over an iron based core and in parallel with 7.8nF (or greater) can freely oscillate even at 1MHz !

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Armature material

After playing around with the hard disk magnets I already have it dawned on me that the magnet backing plates they came off of are proably what we need for the armature.

I found one site that said, "I would think the magnet holder is made of soft iron, which has a very high permeability so the magnetic field much prefers going through the holder than air."

That would be very important in a hard drive to keep the magnetic field away from the recording surface.

A little testing with the ones I have certainly shows that they are magnetic when the magnet is attached to the backing plate and the backing plate immediately loses its magnetism when the magent is removed.

I also noted that the magnetic field on the back of the holder (the opposite side of where the magentic is attached) is very weak magnetically compared to the magnet side.

Maybe we can use them as the armatures although I'm not sure how to connect them to be as long as we need. Thoughts anyone? Anyone familiar with the magnet holder material?
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Scale 1:1 drawing template for drilling 57 pegs

Earlier I posted a link where a scale 1:1 drawing is available, but it seems the link does not work well, so I'll upload the PDF. Credit to overunity.de.
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There is no way that a 5"dia. 12t loosely coupled winding over an iron based core and in parallel with 7.8nF (or greater) can freely oscillate even at 1MHz !
Cheers ............. Graham.
Self-resonance of coil was measured to be in AM band -- 500Khz or lower.
Yet, the magnet-bar-solenoid arrangement would oscillate much lower, such as 40Hz to 100Hz (no faster). A tuned circuit for power generation would want to be down at these lower mechnical frequencies for IDEAL power.
This would imply that all the inductors connected in series are adding up to a very LARGE inductance (or a trick is being done to have a large VIRTUAL inductance), such as complex mutual induction relationships (n-Body problem). The "tuned" circuit, would be down very low in frequency, so that the power is not attenuated.

There could be a trick being down with HARMONICS, however. I wouldn't rule that out. There could be multiple frequencies and a sort of transfer from higher frequencies to lower ones by this means. Radio would have you filter away all but one FREQUENCY. But a different device might encourage all harmonics to co-exist, and TAP the power from the lower frequency.

If you had a situation where various oscillating magnetic fields were created near stationary coils, perhaps they can be vectored towards each other and added. The math here is a bit tricky. Watch out for gimbal lock. Use quaternion math - like Maxwell.

It occurs to me that two PISTON-like cylinders with magnetic fields alternately going up and down, although very CAR-like, may not be the best physical shape. I would think Stan Deyo's talk might be of interest. He mentions that UFOs can fly in certain formations. Rotating magnetic TOPS arranged in a formation of 3 (for example), can keep each other spinning for very long. It is a damped oscillation, but a very LONG one.
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Hendershot magnetic generator speculation...

1. Magnetic field is oscillated near stationary coil. Power can be had this way. No need to move the coil. No need to move the magnet. Only the field need move.
2. A bar placed between a solenoid and a horseshoe magnet causes the field from the magnet to BEND with North bent one way, and south bent another way. Solenoid can be used to OSCILLATE these bent fields. The fields are FREE in that you do not need power to create them. They are already there from the magnet. You only need a little power to the solenoids to move these BIGGER fields.
3. Hand made capacitors are "tunable". This implies Hendershot did indeed care about frequency and tuning.
4. Solenoids were physically adjustable. You could move them towards or away from the horseshoe magnet. This too implies "tuning" or a magnetic amplifier-style control.
5. Hendershot was very specific about coil diameter, number of pegs, sizes of pegs, wire gauge. He had worked out a very specific circuit.
6. Circuit diagram is BOGUS and lost to time. There are several "speculations" about this circuit, but no one can say for sure what the real circuit is. I tend to think the clues are in the components themselves, which have a more specific specification. The circuit can possibly be reverse engineered.
7. I imagine the two fields around the cylinders need to be equal and opposite. I.e. when one is going UP with RIGHT SPIN, the other is going DOWN with LEFT SPIN, and vice a versa. This has implications on coil winding direction, and how you hook things up.
8. Solenoids and horseshoe magnet are balanced. With the smallest amount of power possible to the solenoid, you need to work out how much of a field can be created to balance the magnet. This implies a great number of turns around the solenoid. There are formulas for the magnetic field around a solenoid. Make this MATCH your magnet with the "least" amount of current. You might need very low-resistance wire, high quality IRON (or FERRO material), high-Q coil. You might also experiment with different solenoid coil winding styles, and geometries. Solenoids convey a BIGGER field if the cylinder is not long, but has larger diameter. There is an "ideal" ratio of diameter to length to work out. Read up on coils and you'll start to get a sense of what the ideal shape is for solenoid.
9. Be "less greedy" about what you try to power with the generator. Start small and attempt to power an LED (Avramenko plug).
10. Don't be afraid to power with a "chopper" circuit at first to work out the best circuit, coil placement, magnet-solenoid-bar, placement, etc. You can use a "relay" very easily to make a chopper circuit - or use solid-state chopper - or Joule-Thief... Think of powered-mode as training wheels.
11. Lastly, the notion of "self-powered" is a bit misleading. The coils might need to be placed over running water with minerals, or up against a wall in your room near your house main. I had worried that Hendershot may have been coupling with the power in his own house. The real test for self powered devices is to take them far out into a field, away from all sources of electro magnetism (except for what the Earth's field might be providing).
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re: The Hendershot Magnetic Generator.

I also think, a good approach is to back up a bit and think about what power you want to harness.

Coils can pick up power from oscillating magnetic fields. Fields that don't move generate NO power. Weak fields generate NO power.

Metal cylinders (or metal) can pick up Hertzian waves, or Tesla waves, depending upon your perspective or frequency target.

These WAVES need to come from some source. Most sources are pretty weak. Radio waves are weak. Mechanical waves like sound are weak. Physics tells us there is more power in the HIGHER frequencies (toward LIGHT). Converting high-frequencies DOWN to slower mechnical frequencies for our use comes at some loss.

Magnets already have a magnetic field -- but it is not moving.
It is possible to move the magnets field with a solenoid and bar.
This can be done with "little" power. This is not unlike how a pully
can amplify the lifting power of a rope or a lever can lift a heavy rock.
You can utilize something BIG -- in this case a pre-existing magnetic field,
and lever it so that it oscillates -- with little power.

The challenge is to lever a very LARGE magnet with a very small
amount of power. You want to lever the magnet so that it sprays
its oscillating field over a coil structure for pick up.
That "receiving" coil will generate power since it sees a changing flux.
The coil need not physically move. The magnet too need not physicall move.
Anything that moves has inertia, creates heat, and takes more power
to move. So let us move something that is EASY to move -- the field only.

Further, the geometry could be such that as your oscillating field
starts to generate power, some of that power could be fed back,
positive feedback, to build a LARGER field, and so on, and so on, up
to some LIMIT. There will be losses due to HEAT and resistance, etc.
Any load you put on it will be detrimental, but if the load resistances
is LOW -- like an incandescent bulb for example -- that load could be just
thought of as WIRING in the circuit.
This is very much like the Tesla Switch notion in that current just
flows back and forth -- w/o draining batteries. In the Hendershot case,
however, the CAPACITORS are your temporary "batteries".

There can be a slight amount of power coming from the OUTSIDE of this closed circuit via mutual induction. Some have speculated that schumann resonances could be tapped for a "startup" power.
There are also "lighting strikes" around the globe, in the range of 100-200Khz, that are always present and create little spikes in circuits.
Hendershot probed around with wires, perhaps going for that quick little static discharge (via triboelectric effect), to create a bit of startup power
for the self-running circuit.
You can experiment with triboelectric surfaces to create such start-up power.
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another idea --- SUPER CARBON MIC

Hendershot was rumored to have put CARBON rods in his coil or carbon in his hand made capacitor.

It occurs to me that one interesting idea is to attempt to make a SUPER carbon microphone. The piezoelectric effect can be exploited on a much larger scale to generate a bit of power from SOUND energy.
In the old days, you didn't need much power with these guys.
Imagine a setup that makes a lot of noise from very little power.
Imagine also a setup that generates power from sound.

We are surrounded by noise pollution.
Perhaps with a coil-capacitor-carbon-mic configuration, a bit of power
could be harnessed from the noise.

Also, along these lines, if you CRUSH the crystal material within
a capacitor structure, as the electric field is intensified, the piezoelectric
effect intensifies. So capacitors and crystals are a good fit.
One likes to squeeze, the other likes to be squeezed.

From Wikipedia:
"An illustration of the amplification provided by carbon microphones was the oscillation caused by feedback, that resulted in an audible squeal from the old "candlestick telephone" if its earphone was placed near the carbon microphone."
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Hi thx1138.

I love to read of your magnet findings thx, but do I wonder if our modern magnet versions might actually make it more difficult for us to realistically replicate a Hendershot generator ?


Hi Morpher.

Wow - what a summary !!!!!
I went through every line, and there is nothing I would challenge,
so please folks this is only my positive response, if you have just come here as a last post, then do go back to here and digest the years of experience morpher has encapsulated therein -
Mr Lester J Hendershot's magnetic generator.

Yes, I too feel that Hendershot was using a magnet-bar-solenoid, back-EMF like pulse to generate a higher resonated frequency of oscillation within his specialised core arrangements, thus even after everything had been set up correctly an initial tuning would still be critical.

However there may well have been additional cap-core outputs and thus other connections I am still not aware of.
Crusty's file was made available via courtesey of N20Wolf on your own thread, and I relate to photographs therein -
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?ac...downfile&id=14

The photographs have good definition and via Adobe may be viewed in much larger sizes than those on the original file.
Check for foil capacitor like connections beneath the core overwindings - esp. near the bulb socket on the board.
Were there two hand wound capacitors ? Were they series connected ? Tuned No2 windings on Crusty's circuit ?
We have read that crock-clip leads were used to make the generators run.

Cheers ............. Graham.
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6. Circuit diagram is BOGUS and lost to time. There are several "speculations" about this circuit, but no one can say for sure what the real circuit is. I tend to think the clues are in the components themselves, which have a more specific specification. The circuit can possibly be reverse engineered.
Hi morpher44, good to see you back on the forum and with a compendium of notes to ponder over.

With respect to note 6 and the MK3 device, I do agree most of it published is BOGUS - on purpose (to distract) or not (incompetence). But we do have the pictures that crusty published in his document on overunity.de. I asked him where he got them, and he told me that a person he contacted (who received the device from Aho's widow - this device being one of five versions that Aho built under instructions of Hendershot and which supposedly all worked) took pictures of this device and crusty published them in the document covered up with letters to prevent abuse. Then he attempted to reverse engineer the circuit diagram, which we also can look up on overunity.de. The result is a slightly different circuit.

And while looking over that same forum, I found that crusty had attempted to relate his reverse-engineered circuit to the simplified (but electrically correct) circuit of Fuchs, another user on overunity.de with an excellent documentation (also a must read). The resulting circuit is at least amazing, and shows us there is a reality that this circuit is the best one to base testing upon.

I myself am concentrated on the MK1 device but follow the forums very frequently to see any advancement or comment on my own stuff.

Anyways, I'll post this circuit diagram crusty posted on overunity.de, hoping this will invite anyone to build this and publish the findings. If this was already posted my apologies.
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