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Old 10-14-2012, 05:14 PM
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If the effective torque is dependent on the relatively slow rotating speed of the current design, I'd be curious to know if moving the weights in on the ascending side would allow you run this at a slightly higher speed??
I would say yes, but it will definitely increase torque.
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4. A percentage of the money go to an engineering / CAD / finite element analysis company working under an NDA to refine the design.
I don't quite understand the point of an NDA considering everything needed to replicate is already in the public.
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Hi all

Hi Soundiceuk

Thank's very much for the very good quality pictures, very helpfull.

So i made some investigations and i have found some good quality Freewheeling bearing (clutch ) but they are quite expensive.
So before preparing my replication, which will be surely an expensive one in time ,energy and money , i would like to be some more deeply motivated .

So i propose to Mikhail to disconnect the driving chain ,which connect the upper "kicking wheel" down to the blue Motor/generator. (so the blue motor /generator is completely separated from trhe system.
Ofcourse he must maintain the chain connection between this same upper wheel and the main-wheel shaft (probably 1 to 4 speed-up multiplication).

Than he simply slowly spin by hand (hand crankshaft ) the upper "kicking "wheel until he get the main wheel to speed up and the wheights to be shifted out , creating the out of balance effect which accelerates the wheel by itself (be carefull of course not to let it accelerate too much, and perhaps be prepared for some braking systems to compensate the lack of generator drag ).

Such a video , i can assure you, will instantly let me buy all the necessary material to replicate , and share my experiment as usual.

Anyway a very big congratulation to Mikhail for its tremendous work on the wheel-.building and the generous sharing , and i deeply hope that he will agree to make a demo video as per my proposal ,so i think he will surely fix once for ever , his wheel as THE MUST .

Hope not to be too much out of subject here

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Old 10-14-2012, 10:25 PM
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So i propose to Mikhail to disconnect the driving chain ,which connect the upper "kicking wheel" down to the blue Motor/generator. (so the blue motor /generator is completely separated from trhe system.
Ofcourse he must maintain the chain connection between this same upper wheel and the main-wheel shaft (probably 1 to 4 speed-up multiplication).

Than he simply slowly spin by hand (hand crankshaft ) the upper "kicking "wheel until he get the main wheel to speed up and the wheights to be shifted out , creating the out of balance effect which accelerates the wheel by itself (be carefull of course not to let it accelerate too much, and perhaps be prepared for some braking systems to compensate the lack of generator drag ).

Such a video , i can assure you, will instantly let me buy all the necessary material to replicate , and share my experiment as usual.
I don't follow how this will show anything other than what's already been shown? Are you asking to see if the rotor will continue under its own power? Wouldn't it make sense that if it did, he would have simply shown us a working over-balanced wheel without the need for a motor-generator? I believe that there is a synergistic relationship between the two elements. Kind of, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
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Let's assume that the rotor doesn't continue under its own power. Then what? Does this mean that his design is a failure? Not worth replicating?
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Woopy am I right in assuming you want to see this chain removed so that you can see the gravity wheel deflections starting up the main wheel rotation without the aid of the motor.

Then to see how fast the main wheel turns without the generator drag.

Maybe chainmail is necessary for Mikhail!


I would like to see the deflections in slower motion too.


Please send any donations to: mfdmitriev@gmail.com

Send me a copy of the paypal receipt to paultownley@rocketmail.com and I will keep you updated with the latest schematics.

Hopefully donations are very forthcoming and Mikhail may be impressed enough to completely open source everything.

Most of us know this is the way to go to quickly shift the current paradigm.

I am respecting Mikhail's wishes though.


Maybe the NDA was a bit too much, but I do have the contacts to organise a professionally designed and packaged kit that has been subject to finite element analysis testing.

Certification is going to be an interesting area of discussion.
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Maybe chainmail is necessary for Mikhail!
If the wheel were to spin on its own, the wheel will only spin so fast as per IV. In this design centrifugal force is your enemy.
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That would be adding more external friction. A spring loaded contraption will still require the same energy to "reset" the spring. Not to mention all of the other mechanical requirements to catch the weights bring them to the top, then dump them out again. With them attached to the wheel it is much more efficient.
yea I get what you're saying and agree to some extent but at the same time making it with springs and other such things isn't that bad if the entire set up is going to be stationary and those springs would not any different energy than the wheel the only difference is that energy would be apart and separate of the wheel thus creating less stress or wear on the actual wheel

I also see keeping it as simple as possible and like I said I am learning and taking it all in
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If the wheel were to spin on its own, the wheel will only spin so fast as per IV. In this design centrifugal force is your enemy.
yea thats a very good point and something to always keep in mind. the speed of the wheel can only go so fast just like a falling man from a tall building, at some point he will not be able to pick up any more speed but just free fall at the speed he ultimately reaches

the question is though what speed it then the maximum the wheel can or should reach and that would be based on the size of the wheel right?

this thread is fascinating
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:21 AM
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Hi Purelyprimitives and Paul and all

Just to explain my proposal to separate the motor/generator from the system.

So my understanding of the machine.

-First
lets assume a main wheel with only 2 weights positioned at 180 degrees from the wheel. The weights are hanging under the freewheeling (oneway ) clutch axel
Than we rotate the wheel until one of the weight is at position about 2 o'clock.(the other weight is at 8 0'clock )
Than we manually extend the 2 o.clock weight outside at almost the same position it would have if it would have been propelled by the kicking wheel. The clutch will maintain the weight in that position
By doing so, we get a gravitational imbalance because the opposite weight hangs down without offset.

Than we let the main wheel free to spin.

So if the 2 o'clock weight rotate a full 360 degree and can reach again the 2 o'clock position = BINGO.

But i am almost sure it will be very close but will not do it, due to friction of all art.

So no cop > 1 in this case. and you can increase the number of weights , no chance, even with the best ball bearing. (Mikhail has demonstrated that with his pexiglas wheel which stops after som turns in all config without kicking wheel )
So far per my experienced, the gravity alone is not able to let a wheel spin.Please correct me if i am wrong

BUT

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now the genius of Mikhail is the kicking wheel, because by kicking the weights, the weight is violently shot out by describing a certain arc, and is subject to a centrigugal force with greatly increasing momentarely the down force of the weight.
Than (at the end of the arc ), the weight is offset and over balanced and (due to the clutch ), stays in this position as per the previous "static" case
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So the wheel is accelerated , first by the centrifugal force and than by the gravity (very clever indeed )

We discussed already such a configuration in the P.Lindemann gravity wheel some time ago. But in this case the weight was simply released from a upper position and the centrifugal force was not very strong. And all my testing with this wheel failed.

So the combination of gravity with the centrifugal force, can perhaps provide a cop>1 and provide a continuous rotation with some extra energy to overcome the frictions and even turn the generator.
And i think in this case, multiplying the number of weights, that is multiplying the number of power combinations, is greatly beneficial

So for me it is very interesting to see if the wheel can spin without the motor/generator to see if the above theory is in application.

And if the theory does not apply and the wheel would stop without the motor/generator connected, so i will have to reconsider my understanding, so please forgive me, and i will follow this thread to see if there is perhaps an amplifying effect in "the synergetics whole combination".

Will anyway order 2 of those expensive (10 euros per piece ) Modell helicopter freewheeling bearing to make some test, good or not.

Sorry for the long post, and really sorry if this theory as already been discussed here.

Good luck at all

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Old 10-15-2012, 02:57 PM
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now the genius of Mikhail is the kicking wheel, because by kicking the weights, the weight is violently shot out by describing a certain arc, and is subject to a centrigugal force with greatly increasing momentarely the down force of the weight.
Than (at the end of the arc ), the weight is offset and over balanced and (due to the clutch ), stays in this position as per the previous "static" case
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So the wheel is accelerated , first by the centrifugal force and than by the gravity (very clever indeed )

So the combination of gravity with the centrifugal force, can perhaps provide a cop>1 and provide a continuous rotation with some extra energy to overcome the frictions and even turn the generator.
And i think in this case, multiplying the number of weights, that is multiplying the number of power combinations, is greatly beneficial

So for me it is very interesting to see if the wheel can spin without the motor/generator to see if the above theory is in application.

And if the theory does not apply and the wheel would stop without the motor/generator connected, so i will have to reconsider my understanding, so please forgive me, and i will follow this thread to see if there is perhaps an amplifying effect in "the synergetics whole combination".
Hello Laurent,

Thank you for explaining your idea. I think we can all agree that the wheel will NOT continue rotating on its own without some minimal outside power source to propel it. I'm still not understanding how cranking it manually is any different from being driven by the motor. Unless you are suggesting that you start it manually and then after it is up to speed, you stop applying the cranking motion to the wheel to see if it will continue to rotate?
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I'd like to see a switch being thrown so that the generator powers the motor as well as a couple of other things so it can be unplugged from the mains.
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Hello Laurent,

Thank you for explaining your idea. I think we can all agree that the wheel will NOT continue rotating on its own without some minimal outside power source to propel it. I'm still not understanding how cranking it manually is any different from being driven by the motor. Unless you are suggesting that you start it manually and then after it is up to speed, you stop applying the cranking motion to the wheel to see if it will continue to rotate?
Yes Purelyprimitives

It is exactly what i propose to test. And this aim to check the validity of a theory which can explain precisely why and how such a wheel can reach a cop > 1.

First
deconnection of the motor/generator, but leave the connection of the kicking wheel to the main shaft (in order to get the correct correlation of the speed between the 2 wheels )

second
Slowly speedup the kicking wheel by hand or other mean, until the main wheel get the correct ideal speed.

Third
let the machine running without adding torque at the kicking wheel. And as i sayd be prepared to brake the main wheel if the acceleration's effect is too strong. Because there is no more drag from the generator, and i think that a too high speed can kill the effect and or destroy this beautifull masterpiece..

If the wheel goes on running on itself this will prove that the theory of the combination of the centrifugal and gravity IS a reality and totally usable in real life.
In this case i predict without any doubt an immense succes to Mikhail.and a monster fiesta in my house and very surely in yours too.

And if the wheel slows down until full stop, it is not a problem at all, it simply will show that the above theory is not working or is not complete enough and that i have not understood the machine and how an other "energistic whole amplification" combination is working to provide such a fantastic result as per the video.
In this case i will follow your progress and rethink from the basic of the machine, which is not a problem at all.

I have just ordered today 2 oneway- clutches. so perhaps next week i will attempt the building of a 2 weights (180 degree) small wheel with a kicking system to get some practical feeling.I have notice that when you can touch with your fingers this kind of mechanical machine you understand much faster the essence.

But ofcourse i don't want to force anybody to do this test, but i think it would give a direction how to think this technology. And perhaps Mikhail has already done this test and could communicate the results?

So go on the great work

And good luck at all

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Hi Everyone,

I don't believe the machine will run away or go too fast. As has been already pointed out the higher speed will generate enough centrifigal force to tend to keep the weights extended away from the wheel. When those weights start to stay out on the left side of the wheel the wheel is going to start slowing down because of the lack of enough imbalance to keep the speed up. And then of course as soon as the wheel slows down the weights will then begin to fall back towards the bottom on the left side and will allow the wheel to regain some of its speed.

I agree with woopy. The best way to really see what is going on is to try and get the wheel to run without the motor. By putting a large crank on the main wheel I believe you could get the small wheel going fast enough to reach the speed where it would be self running if that is possible.

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I have made the suggestion for the new video.

I think Mikhail is a little overwhelmed that there has been a few donations already.

He is not used to this set of circumstances.

If his prototype 12 is to be simpler and more efficient I am very excited at the thought of running a permanent magnet or UFO motor from it.
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With the magnetic version I thought about this for quite some time.

I believe there is an equilibrium point where it self oscillates. I think this has something to do with the 32 deflecting elements.

Could you imagine one of these the size of a small unit?

My latest notion is a sensor / solenoid could be used instead of the bike tyre to deflect. A programmable timing chip would be able to adjust to peak torque on a dynamometer.

Encase the motor frame with aluminium panels.

Have some wheels on the bottom that have two positions.

Raised and lowered, so it can be moved over terrain or safely stable on the ground.

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Hi Everyone,

I don't believe the machine will run away or go too fast. As has been already pointed out the higher speed will generate enough centrifigal force to tend to keep the weights extended away from the wheel. When those weights start to stay out on the left side of the wheel the wheel is going to start slowing down because of the lack of enough imbalance to keep the speed up. And then of course as soon as the wheel slows down the weights will then begin to fall back towards the bottom on the left side and will allow the wheel to regain some of its speed.

I agree with woopy. The best way to really see what is going on is to try and get the wheel to run without the motor. By putting a large crank on the main wheel I believe you could get the small wheel going fast enough to reach the speed where it would be self running if that is possible.

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If his prototype 12 is to be simpler and more efficient I am very excited at the thought of running a permanent magnet or UFO motor from it.
I look forward to prototype 12 as well. However, I wonder just how different it will be especially for those of us who have already started our replications? Does it make sense to wait and see the new version?
Just wondering.
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This is something I keep thinking about too and it might be a good reason to collectively work on by a worldwide team of small contributors to reduce any risk.

Infact I expressed Woopy's interest in replicating to Mikhail. Mikhail told me to give the schematics to Woopy for free.

If all the people who visited this thread and supported this technology by donating to Woopy $1 towards his replication we would have something cooking ourselves that we can modify as a team, if Woopy would accept this idea?

I will ask Mikhail which components prototype 12 has that are the same as 11.
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This is something I keep thinking about too and it might be a good reason to collectively work on by a worldwide team of small contributors to reduce any risk.

Infact I expressed Woopy's interest in replicating to Mikhail. Mikhail told me to give the schematics to Woopy for free.

If all the people who visited this thread and supported this technology by donating to Woopy $1 towards his replication we would have something cooking ourselves that we can modify as a team, if Woopy would accept this idea?

I will ask Mikhail which components prototype 12 has that are the same as 11.
Seems like the thread is unintentionally splitting into three different directions. One direction is what I call the original core of the thread where people were following the OP video and the model and discussing it.

Then others have gone off trying to replicate the OPs model and information but now hesitate since a newer version or group project is in the works.

and third is the issue of all the collections or donation needed to start off in that new direction.

I'm getting a little bit confused with it all .. anyone else feel the same way?
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Seems like the thread is unintentionally splitting into three different directions. One direction is what I call the original core of the thread where people were following the OP video and the model and discussing it.

Then others have gone off trying to replicate the OPs model and information but now hesitate since a newer version or group project is in the works.

and third is the issue of all the collections or donation needed to start off in that new direction.

I'm getting a little bit confused with it all .. anyone else feel the same way?
Please try to understand that Mikhail's work has the potential to have a massive impact if validated by several people. Those of us who been around these types of machines for a while know that more often than not, they don't turn out to be what they seem in the beginning. I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em go. This particular machine however seems unique in the sense that he has offered several demonstrations that appear to show the promise of overunity that we are all looking for. The only way to insure that promise is to replicate. I personally don't see 3 separate issues but simply 3 parallel paths to the same end.
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I personally don't see 3 separate issues but simply 3 parallel paths to the same end.

then I have to ask what the heck are you smoking?


Ha just kidding

Yea I understand what you're saying and the promise of it all. Is this the closest to free energy (with this particular wheel) that anyone has gotten?

I've read rumors others are working on similar projects in secret and read somewhere some guy was successful but then he went missing and it was rumored the men in black got him
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then I have to ask what the heck are you smoking?
I haven't had anything really good to smoke in years.....

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Yea I understand what you're saying and the promise of it all. Is this the closest to free energy (with this particular wheel) that anyone has gotten?
There have been several similar machines but they all seem to end up in obscurity after awhile. Which leads us to.......

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I've read rumors others are working on similar projects in secret and read somewhere some guy was successful but then he went missing and it was rumored the men in black got him
I'm not normally a conspiracy kind of guy but you do have to wonder when there is so much money at stake in conventional energy. They would really, really hate to have to go out of business......
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There have been several similar machines but they all seem to end up in obscurity after awhile. Which leads us to.......
and the question begs why is that ????

I mean all the people here are interested in discovering and sharing freely anything the learn or invent

Because of this lack of evidence or repeated obscurity it causes many people to feel there really isn't such thing as free energy

I have to admit I know a guy who has a cousin thats brothers sisters boyfriends boss has a neighbor who is working on something big in his garage and he is close to discovering the secrets to free energy

or so thats how it always seems to get presented
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Thanks for posting that contribution link!
Woopy has it Right,If you post a vid of the machine just running
it would open the gates of opportunity.

This is by no means a free wheeling unit that would just "spin"
By itself ,Things need to get moving first [sans input motor]
then Whallah ,design speed magic happens.

There are folks on these forums Chomping at the bit to make that case.[ hidden motor ,Cord ,air,battery,Hampsters, Mice ,ETC]


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This is by no means a free wheeling unit that would just "spin"
By itself ,Things need to get moving first [sans input motor]
then Whallah ,design speed magic happens.


Ok I understand there needs to be some sort of energy to get the wheel initially started in motion. (it wont just start to spin on its own) but the question some people have (like me) is that even after the wheel is started does it then also take a motor the help keep it running and then if so wouldn't such a motor be counter productive to the entire project, unless it does require a certain about of energy to run the entire wheel but that once in operation the wheel would then by theory provide enough energy to run both the motor and have residual energy left over to power a few other things. Am I right?

I am not on the same scientific level as many here but I am trying to learn and grasp it all. The last thing I want to do is derail a thread with my ignorance or ask too many "elementary" questions that frustrate the others senior members here because I have a lot of questions and a lot of interest in this

I tend to break everything down into simple questions trying to grasp each individual aspect of the project and then try to assimilate those components together when I understand them all but part of my problem is not having the foundation of basic science which would automatically explain some of these questions.

thanks again for bearing with me as I learn ..slower than most
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Your zeal and sincerity are commendable....After many years of participation in Forums like this and thousands of hours spent
searching building and learning,

I get where you are coming from.

I would have to say with out a doubt [no exception here]
We are seeing something no one posting here has the ability to explain.[yet]
Oh... Theories and hypothesis will run rampant.,and are the norm around these forums.

However you won't see "hey Look over here!!,,,"this is how it works,look at My self running Gravity centrifugal machine making electricity over here".""I'm gonna teach yah how to build this thing"".

You won't see that [open source] [yet].

This is a Gift My Friend ,and I personally have learned never to
look a gift horse in the mouth.

Not implying that you are,....its just a fine line we walk in these forums that has perturbed many many Open source inventers.
Annoyed many to the point they leave and don't come back....

Paul is doing an amazing Job as a liaison to inventors in this community,at Great personal expense to his wallet ,life and family.

If this machine is as it seems ,We will all have a lot to learn.
and mister you are going to get to see some of the finest human beings on this planet spend tons of time and effort so you and I can help make this world a better place for all......

Its what we do here !!
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Hi Paul

thank's very much for having transmitted my intention to replicate to Mikhail.

Mikhail is very cooperating by offering me the first shematics. So i can see that the replication at a one to one scale is a great work (imagine that each of the 32 weights weighs alone 6 kg that is only for the weights 192 kg or 426 lb) this building needs a good planning and rooming.
So i am now making the evaluation of the sizing, and material searching and workshop ability.
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I prefer not getting any donation from anybody and stay free to work at my speed. Thank's for the idea.

And be sure i will make a donation to the inventor, as soon as i start the replication , because i think it is normal to give tribute to the autor, especially if the later is opensourcing his work.

I can't wait for the next video, which hopefully will give a good direction on how to think this device.

goo luck at all

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Ok so nobody (Yet) has the ability to explain it but I feel somehow I am being called here to be a conduit for others to help spark something that will cause a light to go on and for this to finally be explainable and proven to work. I am not saying that in an arrogant way that Iím all that, but rather its more that I have discovered over my life people tend to dismiss me a lot and yet I often surprise many when I am able to solve complex problems with my very limited education.

The best way I can describe it is I am like a small child that although doesnít have years of education or social grace I am (like a child) able to point out very clear and obvious observations and call things like they are / or see things others tend to overlook because they allow themselves to be tangled in complexities.

I think this wheel is another example of that. I see myself being pulled to this project and seeing things that I cannot understand how to explain to people here who I consider much more of experts than I ever will be.
I think that when to time does come it will be open source and I wish I was able to help more than I am but I am just trying to get others here to explain the basics of this project so I can wrap my head around the entire and complete idea

I break it down into VERY simple components, such as the large wheel needs to rotate on its own (after initially getting propelled) and operate at a set constant speed that is consistent. Then when that is accomplished then it needs to be attached to a generator which then can produce energy. To me these are very simple concepts that are very possible to accomplish, so the question I have is what seems to be the problem.

Iím not sure I understand the gift horse or how some are missing this as a gift or why others would get frustrated and leave over such frustrations. This is a place to share ideas and information and to help each other, and the only way I see someone getting upset or bothered is if their heart was in it for profit or control and then I can see them getting upset or feeling threatened. If that makes any sense?

Again I am energized over this project and I have some ideas and once I am a little further along I plan to draw out a diagram and even possible make a working model once I am living on my own and ďobtainĒ the supplies and materials I need to do it.
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Do you guys mind if I post and ask some very general questions which are probably very below where you guys are at this stage?

I mean I have questions such as I understand the wheel is using these weights which extend outward to help propel it with extra momentum to help set in motion self propulsion but cant self propulsion be accomplished with using the weights in another manner? After all isnít the goal to simply get the wheel rotating on its own after itís initially been started? and if so what speed is needed to accomplish powering a small generator?

My mind keeps reverting back to a grandfather clock that needs to be wound up really good initially to start working but once in operation it keeps time and my idea is that once we can get this wheel started that there can then be a way to keep it rotating with little if no energy while the entire wheel is producing torque which will power a small generator

am I simplifying this too much?
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