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Old 02-15-2018, 01:22 PM
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Hopefully this explains it better!
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:29 PM
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Saw this and thought it was cool!

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Sorry Paul,

I still don't see any way for arm number 8 to get into position of arm number 1. Either with your Cad program or in your mind rotate the wheel only 22.5 degrees. What do you see? Don't move arm number 8 in relation to the wheel just rotate the wheel and all the arms 22.5 degrees. Do you see arm number 8 still leaning far to the left? Actually it will be almost horizontal at that position. Do you see any force at all that would cause that arm to want to go upright so that it can fall down and stop on the square peg?

Now rotate it again another 22.5 degrees. Now the square peg for arm number 8 is at the 12 o'clock position but arm number 8 is still leaning to the left. As I visualize it the peg for arm number 8 is going to have to get all the way to a position between arm number 2 and arm number 3 before arm number 8 will begin to move. Then it may just flop on over instead of sliding down the peg.

Also you need to look at arm number 4. As you have it drawn in the number 4 position it is going to slide down the peg and thus be free to rotate and end up parallel to arm number 5, just like arm number 6. So it will no longer be aiding in the movement of the wheel.

I am not trying to be overly critical. I am just trying to get you to look at the whole picture.

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Old 02-15-2018, 02:45 PM
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Number 8 needs to move a lot but youíve got 3 lots of the weight on the right exceeding the weight on the left.

I think there is a max speed which will keep number 4 in place for long enough.

I did consider small holding magnets.

Iím just going to have to build something basic out of wood and see what happens.

Just one arm would be telling.
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The rise of 7 flicks it over is what I see.

The reality is unknown....

If the weight of the right heavily exceeds the left, 7 doesn’t have a choice and flicks 8
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Hi Paul,

Even if you rotate your picture 90 degrees, you are left with only 2 weights on the right and 5 on the left with one straight down. Yes, the 2 on the right will be further away than the 5 but this doesn't seem sustainable.

You need to come up with a way to quickly rotate each arm prior to reaching the 12:00 position to keep it rotating.

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Old 02-15-2018, 07:31 PM
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My Animation:

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really good find, seems like the water falling gives some of the inertia naturally also helps out as it oscillates naturally when falling but calms down when goes back on top.

So bigger would mean more torque i guess, speed is not that great. Torque probably not that great either. Still, a really go find.

Been to hospital today, seems no surgery was need it but they can't figure it out what was wrong with me. Hopefully i'll get better in the next few days.

Also i've been messing with "PHUN", interesting software. I found some interesting things that i will report into tesla 3 6 9 regarding oscillations. Need to do some recordings as well.

If my suspicion is correct and somehow i can confirm it i might have found some very simple ways to produce mechanical amplification. More about this later.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:42 PM
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It works using the same basic principle of the version I posted.

The centre of gravity is constantly on one side of the axle.


The comments on that video make me laugh!

People need educating!

Hope to see some replications of this to stick it to the naysayers!
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how about this one?


this guy has some itnresting concepts.

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Hi Paul,

You know that I'm with you on this build. I slowed your video down and I'm still not seeing the mechanism that will move the horizontal arm pointing at about 9:00 and flip it up to 12:00??

Can you explain how that is happening?

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Hi Paul,

You know that I'm with you on this build. I slowed your video down and I'm still not seeing the mechanism that will move the horizontal arm pointing at about 9:00 and flip it up to 12:00??

Can you explain how that is happening?

Cheers!
If you look at the arm underneath and look where it is levering and the one underneath and the one underneath.

After the weights drop off at 6 o'clock they start levering the left side upwards. Not through swing but through rotation of the wheel.

The speed of the weights falling on the right hand side slingshots the weights on the left hand side up at 9 o'clock with centrifugal force assisting.

Look at the elliptical path the weights are moving too.
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https://www.dropbox.com/home/Alterna...07dmitriev.pdf





Mikhail got a patent on the basic principle of more torque on one side of the wheel.
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@soundiceuk

i figured it out, lol. I was trying some other stuff but it lead to this. Bessels 2 way wheel.

i know why all the bangs and noises and all that stuff. I know what is going on in the box. I'm not sure how much power you can get out of it but it can definitely self sustain. Funny enough, this also works on the 3 6 9 principle.

It plays hot potato with gravity and inertia. Throwing weights from one side to the other. But not like you have in your drownings. Done some simulations, i'm 99% convinced that this is how it works.

it works in a way also like a pendulum but with wheels...anyway, i will show you it's quite easy in principle not that hard to build. You don't need any special parts

Check your PM's i will show you.
I'll make it public but i want to show you first
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You need to ask yourself something about this video. Why is the wheel not turning until he starts it by hand? If it was truly overbalanced he would not have to start it by hand. On another forum this video and others showing this wheel were proven to be false.

They make the wheel turn by blowing air on it from a nozzle that is out of the picture. In one of the videos you can even see the shirt of the guy demonstrating it being blown by the air. They edit the sound so that you don't here the air blowing.

I am not saying an overbalanced wheel is not possible. I really don't know. Apparently Bessler was successful. And I think Mikhail's wheel also is very likely to actually work. But posting fake videos is not helping the research any.
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It does look convincing and apologise if it is fake.

Has anyone here actually built one?

It does actually look like the weight is kept more on one side of the wheel. Which would move the centre of gravity and allow it to keep turning albeit not very good for taking a drive off this version.

Where is the proof this is fake?
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Here's an analysis from Peter Lindemann from another topic:

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Hey vidbid et al,

Yes, the YouTube videos look good, but a simple "center of gravity" analysis of the device shows that the center of gravity moves in a tight, uniform oval just below the axle. It shows that the weight of the moving fluids are distributed evenly on either side of the axle, strongly suggesting that the wheel is never heavier on one side or the other. Here's an image of the simple analysis:



So, the wheel is most likely not "driven" by gravity. That leaves the possibility of the wheel being "driven" by the differential of the liquid "sloshing" to the outside on the left side of the wheel producing more force than the liquid "sloshing" backwards to the inside on the right side of the wheel. I consider this "unlikely" as well.

Considering these two realities, it strongly suggests that it "shouldn't work" because we cannot identify a non-uniform force acting more on one side of the wheel than on the other. In the absence of this force, I believe that it probably doesn't work.

If it doesn't really work, then the films are cleverly faked.

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Old 02-17-2018, 12:33 AM
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These fake videos do my brain in!

When we figure this out we can flood youtube with truth!
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The answer has been starring us in the face!

Letís forget Bessler for a second. This can be something so much better with todayís technology.

Tesla designed a perpetual motion machine in his head. He knew it was possible and told us the two things the machine needs to function.

Mikhail has furfilled the 2nd part of the equation and showed us the mechanical one way diode using a combination of active and passive flywheel.

Now the only thing left to do is furfull Teslaís first requirement.

Passive magnetic bearings.

The aim of the game is to design the most stable passive magnetic bearing possible.

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"It is possible, and even probable, that there will be, in time, other resources of energy opened up, of which we have no knowledge now. We may even find ways of applying forces such as magnetism or gravity for driving machinery without using any other means. Such realizations, though highly improbable, are not impossible. An example will best convey an idea of what we can hope to attain and what we can never attain. Imagine a disk of some homogeneous material turned perfectly true and arranged to turn in frictionless bearings on a horizontal shaft above the ground. This disk, being under the above conditions perfectly balanced, would rest in any position. Now, it is possible that we may learn how to make such a disk rotate continuously and perform work by the force of gravity without any further effort on our part; but it is perfectly impossible for the disk to turn and to do work without any force from the outside. If it could do so, it would be what is designated scientifically as a "perpetuum mobile," a machine creating its own motive power. To make the disk rotate by the force of gravity we have only to invent a screen against this force. By such a screen we could prevent this force from acting on one half of the disk, and the rotation of the latter would follow. At least, we cannot deny such a possibility until we know exactly the nature of the force of gravity. Suppose that this force were due to a movement comparable to that of a stream of air passing from above toward the center of the earth. The effect of such a stream upon both halves of the disk would be equal, and the latter would not rotate ordinarily; but if one half should be guarded by a plate arresting the movement, then it would turn."

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I love this!

I wonder if I can get him to do a perpetual motion video once these passive magnetic bearings are built.

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Hi,
On this video guy uses some permanent magnetic bearings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKz1Y3UayHw
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Iím part way through my first passive magnetic bearing build.

Iíll see if I can get it working today and post a video.

It uses ferrite ring magnets.

Much safer playing around with ferrite to learn.

Iíve got some 50kg neos and theyíre scary!
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