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Old 02-11-2018, 10:29 AM
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On second thoughts 8 carefully sized and placed stops (fulcrum) can serve as the leverage point for clockwise and anti-clockwise rotation.

Im going to make this out of wood to prove it.

Not sure when as Iím out of funds for a few months.
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:35 AM
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guys you should read the new post i made. i believe you will find it illuminating

Tesla 3 6 9 is the secret of power amplification. THIS IS HOW IT WORKS!

to be honest i can't wait to see what you will come up with. Good luck!
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Old 02-11-2018, 01:29 PM
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Now this Iíve got to see! Trying to imagine the mechanism but failing lol!
Here's a little more detail to help .

Imagine 3 weights, one at the 1:00 position, one at the 3:00 position and the third at the 5:00 position. I think most would agree that at this point in time this would qualify as an overbalanced wheel.

As the wheel is turning, what I will do is remove the weight at 5:00 as the other two weights are falling and lift it back to the 1:00 position. The two falling weights provide the force to lift the single weight up.

Then the next weight to reach the 5:00 position is lifted as the other two fall.
Rinse and repeat....

I'll leave the actual lifting mechanism for you to ponder.
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Here's a little more detail to help .

Imagine 3 weights, one at the 1:00 position, one at the 3:00 position and the third at the 5:00 position. I think most would agree that at this point in time this would qualify as an overbalanced wheel.

As the wheel is turning, what I will do is remove the weight at 5:00 as the other two weights are falling and lift it back to the 1:00 position. The two falling weights provide the force to lift the single weight up.

Then the next weight to reach the 5:00 position is lifted as the other two fall.
Rinse and repeat....

I'll leave the actual lifting mechanism for you to ponder.
if you pull this one out it will be awsome can't wait to see what you come up with
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Old 02-11-2018, 02:41 PM
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Thanks V,

The operative word being 'if'....
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Old 02-11-2018, 03:36 PM
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Hopefully we will figure it out before the war starts and make it simple enough that we can build it out of scraps with minimum tools.

I live in Romania so my country will be bombarded by everyone and electricity won't be available anymore. In case i survive at least i want to have some electricity available for the night and the minimum requirements of out modern lives + it would be a good barging chip.

And yes, i'm pretty confident the war will come this part of the world in the near future. Parasites are still in control of the minds of billions.
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Old 02-11-2018, 04:34 PM
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Yes, the few control the many!

However, we have a window of time to completely pull the rug on the few and return power to the many.

If Bessler, one man, was able to invent a wheel that was capable of running on gravity.

Then collectively using todayís technology and design tools we will be able to go further as we are showing the mechanisms, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Bessler could only bounce his own ideas off himself.

We are pretty close to changing the current paradigm.....

Keep pushing this snowball and get ready!

YouTube and social media have already proved how powerful a decent video can go viral... and with multiple replications once successful we have the power!!
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Old 02-11-2018, 04:50 PM
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Here's a little more detail to help .

Imagine 3 weights, one at the 1:00 position, one at the 3:00 position and the third at the 5:00 position. I think most would agree that at this point in time this would qualify as an overbalanced wheel.

As the wheel is turning, what I will do is remove the weight at 5:00 as the other two weights are falling and lift it back to the 1:00 position. The two falling weights provide the force to lift the single weight up.

Then the next weight to reach the 5:00 position is lifted as the other two fall.
Rinse and repeat....

I'll leave the actual lifting mechanism for you to ponder.

Now that would be something. Iíve no idea how you propose to do that and keep the weights on one side of the wheel. I wish you the best of luck with this one!

Sounds like it would be ultra off balance! What would the speed limit be?
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Old 02-12-2018, 01:22 AM
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Now that would be something. Iíve no idea how you propose to do that and keep the weights on one side of the wheel. I wish you the best of luck with this one!

Sounds like it would be ultra off balance! What would the speed limit be?
Obviously I won't know until I build it. The design I have so far is timed and controlled off of the main shaft. Theoretically, it could just continue to accelerate to destruction. As I mentioned, I will start with a small model and we can go from there.

Let me also apologize for 'high-jacking' your topic. I wasn't my intent and I'll give it back over to your project!
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:45 AM
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No apology needed! We are all here to learn and bounce ideas off each other. I donít care who solves the energy generating puzzle.

Just as long as collectively we move forward into a new era, everyone benefits!

Why should anyone have to decide whether they can either eat or instead stay warm.

There have been old folks for years in UK dieing because the only choice they have is eat or heat! This is not acceptable!
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No apology needed! We are all here to learn and bounce ideas off each other. I donít care who solves the energy generating puzzle.

Just as long as collectively we move forward into a new era, everyone benefits!

Why should anyone have to decide whether they can either eat or instead stay warm.

There have been old folks for years in UK dieing because the only choice they have is eat or heat! This is not acceptable!
check this out,

90 degree spike! Simplest Generator you can build!

lol, God's been quite good with me lately, answered some old questions i got for a long time.
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:26 PM
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Bessler's Two Way Wheel - Shown falling Anti-Clockwise







Bessler's Two Way Wheel - Shown falling Clockwise






Components

1. One wheel (aka passive flywheel)
2. Eight weights
3. Eight arms
4. Eight Fulcrums
5. Eight Pivots
6. Axle
7. Hub
8. Frame


"Design of my machine is analogues to world system.

I have put eight heavy weights in my machine, which represents eight planets of our world.

The large axle of my machine represents the sun.

Heavy weights in my machine encircle around the axle to form an elliptical path, in the similar manner, as planets encircle around the sun.

Whilst moving around axle, they recede and come closer to the center.

They balance against each other and impart motion to the wheel."

Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
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Hi Paul,

I have taken the liberty of modifying your drawing with an arrow to show the rotation if I understand your drawing correctly. I also have marked the arms to make it easier to discuss your drawing. Can you explain how arm number 8 gets into position number 1? I don't see any mechanism for swinging that arm up straight so that it will fall down between the two stops.

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I guess we won't know the truth until it is built.

However, I see this:

1
2
3
4
Move together as a mass, slightly more than 3/8 of the wheels whole mass.

4 hits 5

5 hits 6

6 hits 7

7 hits 8

8 pivots until gravity slides the arm into the stops.


Also it looks like 7 will aid 8 by pushing on it in a certain place.



Granted there must be a better stop design, one that guides. I've been pondering this...

Hence why posted for input
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:56 PM
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Paul,

Does Solidworks have an animation feature? I see a tab that says, 'New Motion Study'.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:03 PM
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I tried for about 4 hours today to try and figure it out....

That program blows my head!

Need a pro!

Iím sure itís possible but Iíve not worked it out or have the time to work it out. Took a day off work to have a go.

I reckon just get two wooden battens, a wheel, some alloy stick on weights and some dowels and see what that does first.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:15 PM
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I met two guys in UK who are young mechanical engineers using a networking app called SHAPR.

Iíve just asked both of them via email if either of them could run a motion study on the design.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:11 PM
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Here's where the number 8 arm would appear to first fall. You may need to make a clearance at the end of the arm nearest the center to clear arm 7. Also if arm 8 slides down, it may not turn at all if it hits the red retaining pin. The other issue might be that at this point in the rotation, most of the mass is on the left and may slow or stop the rotation?

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Old 02-13-2018, 10:30 PM
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Iíve not drawn it yet but how about each arm has the fulcrum that is in front of its path as part of the arm.

So basically like a guide roller being part of the arm as the fulcrum.
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Old 02-13-2018, 11:44 PM
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Iíve just come up with a new design that makes the pivot the fulcrum at the same time and it works both ways.

The slot in the arm is rectangular but opens out at end furthest from axle to allow rotation.

Iíll have to draw when I have time to explain.
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i'm starting to learn spaceclaim, the good part is that it has a physics simulator and seems quite easy to use overall.

I'll be able to transform some of these ideas into computer simulations.

The bad part is that i think i'll be in hospital for several days, i might go through a surgical procedure, minor. Hopefully everything will go well and i'll recover fast but still have other health issues.
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Here is a picture to convey the new design feature which replaces the fulcrums with a new arm slot that works as a fulcrum, guide and pivot.

Working on the basis of 10mm slot.



There may be a better way to do this but for now this is what I've come up with.
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i'm starting to learn spaceclaim, the good part is that it has a physics simulator and seems quite easy to use overall.

I'll be able to transform some of these ideas into computer simulations.

The bad part is that i think i'll be in hospital for several days, i might go through a surgical procedure, minor. Hopefully everything will go well and i'll recover fast but still have other health issues.
Luck forward to seeing any simulations.

A great tool for tuning I'm sure!

Good luck with your ongoing health issues
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Modified arm and pivot design to allow arm to be fulcrum.
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Hahaha, I've drawn it backwards..... I will correct
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The corrected drawing.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:10 AM
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Thanks to your input, here are some images of the new design.



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Hi,

What causes the swinging arm to become vertical at 12:00?

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Old 02-15-2018, 01:12 PM
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The center of gravity is moved far away from the center of the axle.

The wheel acts like constantly tipping, balance scales

The previous arms hit each other and lever the arm until gravity takes over and the arm falls down the slot and onto the square peg.


The mass of the wheel stores enough energy from the decending pendulum/levers to ensure the wheel turns fast enough to bring the next pendulum into play.

There is constantly more weight on one side of the wheel. It seeks equilibrium but never finds it.
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