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#31
09-24-2012, 02:36 PM
 markusbraunfe Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 10
contribute of the centrifugal force during deflection

When each weight gets deflected by the small wheel, it accelerates along a radial path (around the pivot point of the one way bearings).
Since the small wheel's linear velocity is higher than the big wheel's velocity,
the centrifugal force that appears at the pivot point of the weight should be
Fcf=m*(delta_v)^2/r
where delta_v is the difference between linear velocity of the small wheel minus linear velocity of the big wheel at a radius where the weights hang from the pivot points. I think this force should not be ingored since it will give a considerable impulse to the pivot point which increases the rotation of the big wheel.
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#32
09-24-2012, 05:45 PM
 Michael John Nunnerley Gold Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,193
NO, think again

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 Originally Posted by soundiceuk I hadn't fully studied Mikhail's prototype 11. addition 2. Input with a wheel - YouTube 3:19 As I suspected like in some of his previous prototypes, the deflecting elements have a free swing but only a certain amount of travel. When the deflecting elements reach the 11 o'clock postion the centrifugal force swings them over into the bike tyre which make them hit a stop. The weights then fall down and hit another stop. You can bet Mikhail has worked out the best angles for maximum torque.
HI, I think you need to think about it more. The weighted arms need to be able to move through 360 degrees CC wise in one rev: C wise of the main wheel. Also I think "maybe" they are mounted on one way bearings at the wheel circumference or maybe not, but he did say it would not work without this in reply to a comment on youtube!

I have done a lot on gravity wheels back on a thread which Peter started some time ago and my feelings are that this does work, but, I can't say what power output can be obtained as it would depend on the weight differencial between 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock and the velocity of the wheel, all in relation to the drag of the generator under load and the small wheel moving the weights out, but this could be calculated if we know the numbers!!!

Question.... is the motor a three phase wired as part motor and part generator!!!!!! as there are a lot of wires coming out of it! if so is there a transformer action between input and output!!! and that is why he is giving input and output power ratings!! I think so and the wheel and weights are supplying enough to counter the drag of the generator part on the motor, in other words a 1KW drag on the motor for supplying 3KW on the generator/induction side. A UFO motor would be better thinking about it
and the laugh is because in reality it is so simple that nobody had seen it, or have they!!!

So to recap, the wheel only has to overcome the generator drag+other friction, the rest comes for free.

I love it and breaks NO LAWS

Mike
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#33
09-24-2012, 09:42 PM
 soundiceuk Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,076
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Michael John Nunnerley HI, I think you need to think about it more. The weighted arms need to be able to move through 360 degrees CC wise in one rev: C wise of the main wheel. Also I think "maybe" they are mounted on one way bearings at the wheel circumference or maybe not, but he did say it would not work without this in reply to a comment on youtube!
Michael you are totally on the ball with your reply. I suspected the shaft had 90 degree cut out or there were mechanical stops.

I have studied the 4 videos again and the stills are the most telling.

You are absolutely right, the one way bearings are at the wheel circumference and if you look closely at the pic previously posted on page 1 you will see the weights are held in position with bolts and the bearing is pressed into the bracket that bolts to the wheel.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Michael John Nunnerley I have done a lot on gravity wheels back on a thread which Peter started some time ago and my feelings are that this does work, but, I can't say what power output can be obtained as it would depend on the weight differencial between 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock and the velocity of the wheel, all in relation to the drag of the generator under load and the small wheel moving the weights out, but this could be calculated if we know the numbers!!!
It looks to me that the weights are delfected and as you said, when the wheel turns, the weights do too but only in the direction that will assist in moving the centre of gravity away from the centre of the spindle.

When the weights get back round to the 10-11 o'clock position they are swung over and contact the bike tyre which because it is being turned at a higher revolution than the main spindle violently throws / bounces the weights out assisting even more.

Mikhail would describe each deflecting event as a kick.

I think that maybe the bike tyre could be replaced with some very strong diametrically magnetized neodymium magnets in the right place. Although each element would need a magnet and the cost would rocket.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Michael John Nunnerley Question.... is the motor a three phase wired as part motor and part generator!!!!!! as there are a lot of wires coming out of it! if so is there a transformer action between input and output!!! and that is why he is giving input and output power ratings!! I think so and the wheel and weights are supplying enough to counter the drag of the generator part on the motor, in other words a 1KW drag on the motor for supplying 3KW on the generator/induction side. A UFO motor would be better thinking about it and the laugh is because in reality it is so simple that nobody had seen it, or have they!!! So to recap, the wheel only has to overcome the generator drag+other friction, the rest comes for free. I love it and breaks NO LAWS Mike

He isn't using fancy bearings on the main shaft etc from what I can see.

Bones Reds Skateboard Bearings or Go skate and stop wasting your life on the internet - YouTube

Or even magnetic bearings:

Frictionless (Almost) Permanant Magnetic Bearing - YouTube

A UFO motor would be cool. Combining multiple technologies is definately the way forward.

This company makes some cool generators that may be suited too.

Wind turbine alternator | Alxion

I love it too and I'm a big fan.
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#34
09-25-2012, 08:47 PM
 soundiceuk Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,076
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Farmhand Still I don't think any conclusions can be made by using lights and ratings on the back of appliances. The thing to do would be to show the killo Watt meter reading zero with whatever load is required for it to do that. Take load off it until the killo watt meter reads zero or very little and see what load is running with no net input.
Hi Farmhand,

I am now back in email contact with Mikhail, his English is pretty good.

I know a few Russian speaking folks on this forum who may be able to translate too, if there are any problems with translation between myself and Mikhail.

I have offered to draw prototype 11 in Solidworks.

I will also get a wiring diagram too.

I am trying to work out exactly what you want Mikhail to do to demonstrate the device is making more power out than in. Please can you elaborate in detail on your ideas?

I believe if we can satisfy yourself, as I know you are quite particular, then hopefully it won't be hard to convince others and generate some funds to release the information globally as a smart phone app / pdf etc.. for global coverage.

I already have a press team in place waiting for Perreault's / Moray's Earth ION Energy technology, so best to use a technology that doesn't use any special materials as the front runner.

I don't think there could be a technology more simple to understand than this gravity wheel.

Also does anyone have any experience in animating Solidworks files or would like to help draw schematics of the components in 2D or 3D?

Also please can anyone write any suggestions / questions for Mikhail. Also if anyone would like to donate money and / or components I can facilitate this for you.

Best regards,

Paul
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#35
09-25-2012, 09:06 PM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,389
I don't "want" him to do anything in particular. I just said what my opinions
are.

But I do get what you are saying, If the machine gets to a point where it
begins to self sustain then this is one of the things I would try to do to show it,

I understand a load may be needed to get to a point where extra energy can
be shown. So if the load is the same as the video, with 1 kW input and almost
3 kW output with the machine running. Then simply remove loads starting with
the grinder then the heater then the light globes one by one until the meter
reads close to zero Watts input. When the meter reads zero Watts input and
a load is running then we could see it was being powered for free, as plain as
the nose on a face.

If the machine is driving the generator faster than the synchronous speed it
should be able to show output to it's power supply, with no external load.

I don't want to sound like a broken record or make accusations but the heater
could have it's heater element disconnected and be only powering the
fan/gearbox for movement.

I always get suspicious when power rating stickers are shown rather than
power measurements.

Cheers
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#36
09-25-2012, 09:38 PM
 soundiceuk Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,076
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Farmhand I don't "want" him to do anything in particular. I just said what my opinions are. But I do get what you are saying, If the machine gets to a point where it begins to self sustain then this is one of the things I would try to do to show it, please bear with me. I understand a load may be needed to get to a point where extra energy can be shown. So if the load is the same as the video, with 1 kW input and almost 3 kW output with the machine running. Then simply remove loads starting with the grinder then the heater then the light globes one by one until the meter reads close to zero Watts input. When the meter reads zero Watts input and a load is running then we could see it was being powered for free, as plain as the nose on a face. If the machine is driving the generator faster than the synchronous speed it should be able to show output to it's power supply, with no external load. I don't want to sound like a broken record or make accusations but the heater could have it's heater element disconnected and be only powering the fan/gearbox for movement. I always get suspicious when power rating stickers are shown rather than power measurements. Cheers
Sorry my wording isn't always the best.

There are various screens for this Voltcraft Energy Monitor 3000.

I have difficulty making it out in the video.

I notice the video quality is only 480p too.

Would 30 x 100 watt bulbs be better with the monitor next to them so they can all be removed and then put in one by one?

I can donate some money for this purpose.

Some hydroponics grow film attached to the walls too as it is 95% reflective. This will improve the video quality immensely.

I would like to capture the wheel from a sidewards shot with a decent camera so the movement can be seen in slow motion too.

Just some ideas to throw into the pot.

I have a 600w metal halide bulb and ballast I can donate, but the ballast weighs loads. It would probably be cheaper to order one from Russia!

Mikhail states that this prototype 11 is capable of 10kw.

I bet a 10kw generator isn't cheap!
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#37
09-27-2012, 11:45 AM
 Guruji Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 849
Loop

I think this guy should try closing the loop and see what happens.
Thanks for sharing.
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#38
09-28-2012, 05:45 PM
 darkwanderer Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4
Great work congratulations first.

Maybe mikhail should change to permanent magnet generator... Because asynchronous motor doesn't have magnetic field itself to create electricity. Because of that without powering asynhronous motor you cannot produce electricity...
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#39
10-11-2012, 12:11 AM
 soundiceuk Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,076
Here is Mikhail's latest video. I see he has taken some of your advice.

Apart from a better camera and painting the walls white, what does anyone think could be done better to demonstrate the device?

What about 10kw generator and 100 x 100w bulbs?

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This type of frequency inverter (Prostar PR6000) has maximal load of 1500 W.

This model of the inverter (chastotnik) has a maximum power of 1.5 kW. Under a heavy load protection triggers. Shows the connection of a purely resistive load (incandescent) 2 kW and 3 kW for fixed wheel (overload) and a rotating wheel (no overload).
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#40
10-11-2012, 04:25 PM
 drak Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 271
I wonder if anyone has attempted to replicate this yet.
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#41
10-13-2012, 02:07 PM
 soundiceuk Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,076
I don't know if anyone has but it is gaining interest.

I am very interested in using an electromagnet for the deflection and some very high quality bearings for the main shaft.

I have the schematics and Mikhail would like me to sell them for a small amount of money per interested person to help perpetuate the research and development.

Even though my financial situtation isn't too good at the moment I have donated Ł15 via paypal to pay for some brilliant white paint for the walls, and some labels for the wiring.

I await a response.

Questions:

a. Is the mass of the rim critical in relation to the weights?

b. How many degrees of movement are the clutches allowed in between bites?

c. Is the mass of the weights critical, could they be 500gm lighter or heavier and the machine still work, or is there a critical relation between mass and centrifugal force/wheel diameter?

a. Mass of the rim not critical in relation to the weights. It creates a moment of inertia, but does not create additional torque.

b. Good clutch virtually no movement in the counter rotating.

c. The mass of the weights creates inertia and torque of the wheel. It selected as the maximum for a given size and speed of rotation of the wheel.

Best regards,

Paul
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#42
10-13-2012, 03:25 PM
 iflewmyown Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 60
schematics

How much does he want for a copy of the schematic. I assume you mean the drawings and sizes of the various parts.
Thanks
Garry
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#43
10-14-2012, 02:40 AM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,389
I must say those pictures are much better than the video. It sure is a nice creation.
He has done a good job, just looking at it I can see how it could work (I think).
Because my trade is metal fabrication the first thing I look at is the welding,
which is a bit rough, but if it holds together it's all good. The rest of it looks
quite good.
The second thing I thought was I wondered if the effect could be increased by
kicking the weights toward the center on the other side as it goes up to
unbalance it further, I think maybe if the weights were kicked in near the
bottom on the other side (with another kicker) then by the time the weight
got to the top it would be hanging down and ready for another kick. Not sure.
Maybe a way to increase the power for the size of the unit though.

One concern is it looks like a real mangler for children or the unwary, a
dangerous machine indeed.

It does look like a machine that works.

Cheers

P.S. An electrical drawing would be nice to see how the load is powered.

..
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#44
10-14-2012, 03:01 AM
 5150 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Near downtown Posts: 273
Im new here

Man I just came across this cool site and thread after looking up free energy on the internet

I got a question 4 u all who was the first person to have this idea of a energy wheel cuz I was trippin that it was that artist dude Da Vinci can anyone tell me if I am write?
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#45
10-14-2012, 03:15 AM
 drak Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 271
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Farmhand The second thing I thought was I wondered if the effect could be increased by kicking the weights toward the center on the other side as it goes up to unbalance it further, I think maybe if the weights were kicked in near the bottom on the other side (with another kicker) then by the time the weight got to the top it would be hanging down and ready for another kick. Not sure. Maybe a way to increase the power for the size of the unit though.
I believe you are correct, I thought of that too.
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10-14-2012, 03:18 AM
 drak Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 271
Quote:
 Originally Posted by 5150 Man I just came across this cool site and thread after looking up free energy on the internet I got a question 4 u all who was the first person to have this idea of a energy wheel cuz I was trippin that it was that artist dude Da Vinci can anyone tell me if I am write?
I believe Da Vinci drew some gravity wheels, but not this exact design.
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#47
10-14-2012, 03:27 AM
 5150 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Near downtown Posts: 273
Quote:
 Originally Posted by drak I believe Da Vinci drew some gravity wheels, but not this exact design.
that dude drew some F-uped sh*t and he new what he was doing! He was like super smart and way ahead of his time.

I think if he drew it or thought of it that it will work, everything else that man invented worked in time.

I get the concept of this wheel working on gravity and gravity can manipulate weights to move faster and I get the overall idea of this wheel but I also wonder if like a water wheel there is some way to add weight to the rotating side of the wheel on the down side that can be released at the bottom and then circulated back to the top under another separate system thats run off the same energy the wheel produces

sorry just thinking aloud ... but its better than farting aloud
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#48
10-14-2012, 12:17 PM
 soundiceuk Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,076
The undecided monetery figure would provide the contributor with everything that Mikhail has to offer.

As well as the rough pictures shown above I have 2D CAD drawings for the majority of the components.

I've sent Mikhail a guessed wiring schematic for him to amend and send back for me to tidy up as well as operating instructions.

I believe anyone willing to perpetuate this research via a financial contribution should receive as a minimum:

a) Parts List
c) 3D CAD Drawings (when available)
d) Wiring Schematic
e) Retailers details for off the shelf parts
f) High Quality Videos (when available)
g) High Quality Pictures (when available)
i) Technical Support
j) Operating Instructions
k) Assembly manual (when available)
l) Torque Settings (when available)

Mikhail agreed with me that any major decisions will have to be agreed by me and him, so for now I am going to bounce a few ideas around to find a way that best suits the members who are following this thread so far.

I couldn't decide what to call this idea:

a) "PIMP MY GENERATOR"

or

b) "PIMP MY GRAVITY WHEEL"

1. A visable money pot for contributions that can be fairly controlled by the contributors. This money pot should also should be visably accounted for.

2. A percentage of the money go to Mikhail's prototype 12 which I am told will be simpler and more efficient.

3. A percentage of the money go to a contributing member of this forum designated by the members contributing. This could be decided depending on members skill sets and amount of free time they have to spare to replicate prototypes.

It could also be a collaboration if possible.

4. A percentage of the money go to an engineering / CAD / finite element analysis company working under an NDA to refine the design.

I welcome everyone to enhance / expand / refine these ideas.

Best regards,

Paul
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#49
10-14-2012, 12:27 PM
 soundiceuk Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,076
Quote:
 Originally Posted by drak I believe you are correct, I thought of that too.
I think this is good idea too.

Regarding the safety of the device maybe a good idea would be to use perspex / acylllic panels fixed to the box section.

Another idea would be to use box section aluminium and tube connectors instead of welding steel box sections.

EasyFix Aluminium Tube Connectors

This would make it easier to offer a gravity wheel in kit form.
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#50
10-14-2012, 12:49 PM
 RAMSET Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NYC and Conn USA Posts: 1,333
Ouch

A gravity wheel ....Oh ,that's gonna sting!

The holy grail of all "free energy" devices ,our pursuit of which, convinces the sceptics we are whacko's,out of our minds....delusional.

The chase you around with nets ,kind of crazy.

I made a tartget out of myself many times with Gravity wheel "beliefs".
And I always have "believed". {@Dusty Where are you??]

I have too many pans in the ou oven at the present to build this ATM.

Please put up a place to donate to the cause ,like your self I am of limited means ...but this ....this inspires.

The most passive ,environmentaly friendly energy anyone could ever imagine,
not possible to legislate against for pollution ,RF emmisions,radiation etc etc.
nor would it require the usual paperwork nightmare of "safety investigation
to evaluate hidden issues"!
the biggest thing being the need for an inclosure [imagine your internal combustion engine with out an inclosure}.
A non issue.......

Ouch
this is gonna sting.................

Bliss
Thx
Chet
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#51
10-14-2012, 01:29 PM
 5150 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Near downtown Posts: 273
I’ve had to read this thread like 4 times and I’m still trying to wrap my head around a few ideas but I appreciate you guys letting me post here and take it all in.

Last night I couldn’t get this sh*t off my mind and I hope my questions and ideas are welcome here.

Someone in the thread earlier said

Quote:
 I believe the math involves quantum physics, so good luck with that.
Man that’s some heavy sh*t and all I got is a GED level basic math but did da Vinci have or use quantum physics or does that sh*t just come natural for those smart people? I mean I picture him at a drawing table sketching out ideas that come to his mind and mentally seeing how it all works without having to do a lot of math equations or using a slide rule. I hope so because if I have to do that kind of math then I’m already Fu**ed

Here are thoughts I got

Doesn’t having the weights affixed on the wheel regardless of them popping out while in a downward cyclical motion still cause it to have weight on the upward cycle? Which means that any advantage of the weights on the downward motion which would be taking advantage of gravity then would then be counterproductive on their way back up as they are still weights and are causing drag?

I can see the argument that while in motion at a certain speed the argument of counter drag might be negated but I’m just asking. I hope my question is able to be understood.

Also using this same wheel design without the affixed weights wouldn’t it be possible to create a way of adding the weights to the one side of the wheel while in the downward motion and then have the weights drop off at the bottom. Kind of like water in a water wheel where the water is used only on the downward side to propel the wheel and then the wheel is able to move and produce free energy as long as there is a supply of water or in this case our wheel is not using water but instead weights.

My idea is the same regarding the weights, as long as the wheel has a constant supply of weights being added in a regular stream (like water on a water wheel) then wouldn’t this work as then the wheel would be propelled at a regular speed without any counter drag, thus causing it to move faster and producing more energy???

Now before you guys go asking me about the “source” of all the weights needed to propel the wheel like as in regards to a water source for a water wheel where that is a source of water like a river or a regularly running stream my idea is to create a stream per say of weights that is constant.
Imagine if you will as the weights drop off the wheel (as would water on a water wheel) that instead of washing downstream the weights are actually caught in some type of simple spring loaded contraption that works off the laws of physics and propels the weights back up top of the wheel to then be used again as weights taking advantage of gravity on the wheel to keep it perpetually moving to create the free energy

I could try to draw a diagram of what I’m thinking but unlike da Vinci
all I can do is stick figures and my sh*t is primitive so imagine some type of mechanical device like a watch or a clock that operates of springs or such that could propel the weights back up to the top.

Damn I hope I’ve made sense
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#52
10-14-2012, 01:56 PM
 darkwanderer Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4

There's no need for quantum or something . Basic Physic Law's are enough for this system. İt's possible to build a system like that. I attached the CAD draw. You can calculate the machine forces from the drawing.

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10-14-2012, 02:07 PM
 5150 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Near downtown Posts: 273
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 Originally Posted by darkwanderer There's no need for quantum or something . Basic Physic Law's are enough for this system. İt's possible to build a system like that. I attached the CAD draw. You can calculate the machine forces from the drawing.
Thanks dude!

So looking at your drawing can you explain then to me if the weights simply extend outward at a 45 degree angle when the wheel is in motion, and that is sufficient to counterbalance any drag on the other side?

I really trying to grasp it all and my apologies that math and sh*t like that doesn't come easy for me, I just see this wheel as taking too much energy to start in movement and then limiting itself with the need of more energy to keep it operations,

basically it produced enough electricity to operate itself and have about the same amount of produced energy left over to power a few things. I'm wondering if this energy ration cannot be drastically improved to the point that the actual wheel takes very little if any energy to get started or to operate and thus allowing a great output of energy on the delivering end.

just thinking out loud
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10-14-2012, 02:45 PM
 darkwanderer Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4
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 Originally Posted by 5150 Thanks dude! So looking at your drawing can you explain then to me if the weights simply extend outward at a 45 degree angle when the wheel is in motion, and that is sufficient to counterbalance any drag on the other side? I really trying to grasp it all and my apologies that math and sh*t like that doesn't come easy for me, I just see this wheel as taking too much energy to start in movement and then limiting itself with the need of more energy to keep it operations, basically it produced enough electricity to operate itself and have about the same amount of produced energy left over to power a few things. I'm wondering if this energy ration cannot be drastically improved to the point that the actual wheel takes very little if any energy to get started or to operate and thus allowing a great output of energy on the delivering end. just thinking out loud
appearantly yes but I'm not a physicist. With my calculations this system seems to work but we need more accurate calculations. The system produce more torque on the right side. As I speak with the drawing here's the result of my calculation F ~= m * a *17,68. m*a is the weight of the ball in Kg.

in Mikhail's design the asynchronous motor works as a generator. To generate electricity with the asynchronous motor you should put some power to the motor. When he use permanent magnet generator we will be able see how much power this system can get on the output.

you can increase the output power with increasing the length of the legs carrying the weights.
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10-14-2012, 03:20 PM
 5150 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Near downtown Posts: 273
Quote:
 Originally Posted by darkwanderer appearantly yes but I'm not a physicist. With my calculations this system seems to work but we need more accurate calculations. The system produce more torque on the right side. As I speak with the drawing here's the result of my calculation F ~= m * a *17,68. m*a is the weight of the ball in Kg. in Mikhail's design the asynchronous motor works as a generator. To generate electricity with the asynchronous motor you should put some power to the motor. When he use permanent magnet generator we will be able see how much power this system can get on the output. you can increase the output power with increasing the length of the legs carrying the weights.

well any wheel that is in motion can be connected to a generator to produce electricity right? as long ans there is motion to turn the generator. I mean thats simple basic elementary physics right?

ok moving on,

so in theory the longer the arms are with the weights the more power output that can be generated? But the flaw in this is that at some point the wheel itself will have to be enlarged to handle the extra gravity forces so that means at some point the theory basically indicates that you are still limited to some degree.

also you mentioned there being more torque on one side, does that off balance torque then create other issues such as unbalanced wear or stress on that one side or over the entire system?
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#56
10-14-2012, 03:21 PM
 purelyprimitives Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 159
Quote:
 Originally Posted by darkwanderer There's no need for quantum or something . Basic Physic Law's are enough for this system. İt's possible to build a system like that. I attached the CAD draw. You can calculate the machine forces from the drawing.
This is a great CAD drawing but from what I've seen in some of his other videos, the weights will extend even further than the 45 degrees shown (between 3:00 and 5:00 o'clock) thanks to our friend, centripetal force. So the overbalanced force is even greater.
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10-14-2012, 03:38 PM
 darkwanderer Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4
Quote:
 Originally Posted by 5150 so in theory the longer the arms are with the weights the more power output that can be generated? But the flaw in this is that at some point the wheel itself will have to be enlarged to handle the extra gravity forces so that means at some point the theory basically indicates that you are still limited to some degree. also you mentioned there being more torque on one side, does that off balance torque then create other issues such as unbalanced wear or stress on that one side or over the entire system?
The system seems to have limitations cause of the size. Mikhail's system was very big. That's why it generate lot of power. So for more output the system must be enlarged...

Yes that's another problem. System has to be strong enough to handle the stress etc...
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#58
10-14-2012, 04:37 PM
 drak Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 271
Please don't forget this, especially number IV.

Quote:
 By increasing the effective speed resulting torque is reduced, because the wheels on the side where the goods go down, the weight is reduced, and on the other side of the wheel where the goods go up, their weight increases (a manifestation of the inertial mass). The centrifugal forces of goods increases with increasing speed, also have a negative effect on the performance of HP, until the complete violation of his performance.
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10-14-2012, 04:52 PM
 drak Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 271
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 Originally Posted by 5150 Doesn’t having the weights affixed on the wheel regardless of them popping out while in a downward cyclical motion still cause it to have weight on the upward cycle? Which means that any advantage of the weights on the downward motion which would be taking advantage of gravity then would then be counterproductive on their way back up as they are still weights and are causing drag?
True, there is weight on the upward side, but not as much as on the downward side. Two kids on a seesaw.

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 Originally Posted by 5150 Now before you guys go asking me about the “source” of all the weights needed to propel the wheel like as in regards to a water source for a water wheel where that is a source of water like a river or a regularly running stream my idea is to create a stream per say of weights that is constant. Imagine if you will as the weights drop off the wheel (as would water on a water wheel) that instead of washing downstream the weights are actually caught in some type of simple spring loaded contraption that works off the laws of physics and propels the weights back up top of the wheel to then be used again as weights taking advantage of gravity on the wheel to keep it perpetually moving to create the free energy
That would be adding more external friction. A spring loaded contraption will still require the same energy to "reset" the spring. Not to mention all of the other mechanical requirements to catch the weights bring them to the top, then dump them out again. With them attached to the wheel it is much more efficient.
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10-14-2012, 05:07 PM
 purelyprimitives Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 159
If the effective torque is dependent on the relatively slow rotating speed of the current design, I'd be curious to know if moving the weights in on the ascending side would allow you run this at a slightly higher speed??
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