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Old 09-12-2012, 01:50 AM
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Setting the record straight: the true biblical account of "aliens"

Setting the record straight: the true biblical account of "aliens" and my theory on what the hell is going on!

I realize that the following is a lot of reading but please bear with me. If you are not willing to listen before you make up your mind about the following information, then please move on, this is not for you. if however you are willing to see something truly beautiful then please read on...

a lot of people do not believe in god, religion, or biblical accuracy. many of these people have been truly disappointed by religion and it's leaders and because of these self appointed ambassadors of god on earth, most have never read the bible.
in the past, i had always found peace and rest in God. i have been a student of scripture since my early teens, spending time in many different denominations, and in my early 20s i even inherited the role of minister in a small protestant church.

life however has many ways of robbing a person of their faith and after much persecution from the local Greek orthodox church and the government, a shattered engagement to a "spiritual" woman that cheated on me twice, and the abandonment of the members of the ministry, I struggled to spiritually stand and gave up the ministry and abandoned Christian churches.

Years later, after the dawning of the age of information we are living in now, I came across many many many bits of information that led me down the proverbial rabbit hole with no bottom in site! For years i learned of the atrocities brought about by the "global elite"! The path to knowledge is one that can drive most people insane, and i nearly reached that destination!

I prayed to the defunked version of the "God" that had been programmed into my DNA by mainstream religion. The same religions that keep people in darkness with the promise of light! Religion is not light. Religion is the opium of the world. But what is God?

So I prayed some more. Prayed for knowledge, wisdom, but most of all, love! My heart felt so numb that I was an emotional concrete slab. I prayed for that god's blessings so that I can feel the warmth that I felt when I first discovered that the god of the Bible was not the God of religion.

What happened next some might interpret as God answering my prayers. I received an amazing revelation. And I would like to share this with you. You see we all ask God for his "blessings"! But what is a blessing? For years I thought, like most people, that it was some mystical, almost magical exhibition of god's power.

Thankfully, as you shall now see this is hardly the case!

One of the things I realized during my studies and research is the importance of communication! Communication is language, whether it be a verbal, bodily, digital, or whatever! In order for language to have reception "tuning in" or understanding of language is KEY! The westernization of the globe is here with the English language being the most prominent of verbal languages, although perhaps not the most popular.

But the Bible, like many ancient texts is not written in English, and although we can take the jist of the meaning of the texts, many key words are literally, lost in translation. The tower of Babel story readily indicates the outcome of a breakdown in communication. And religion, which brought us its unholy TRADITIONS, has for centuries led people astray through the constant spoon-feeding of information, through its Sunday masses, icons, statues and whatever other monstrous ideals they shove down people's throats. But the scriptures themselves speak of constant and diligent study of scriptures required by practioners of faith. This sadly is not the case and apparently it nothing has really changed.

Having discovered the writings of Thomas Paine left me with a very definitive strength of the power of the mind and applying reason and logic to all aspects of life. Logic is such a beautiful tool and I have strived to always apply it in all areas of my life. This mindset led me to my first discovery.

The translation of the word bless in the original Greek is Ευλογία) Ev-logıa. By definition, Evlogia, literally means to "receive logic»! God's first blessing on humanity then is his bestowment of common sense and reason to the world! And if you think about it, most people can hardly be considered as logical and rational. Most people will do what they feel, and rarely use common sense to make decisions.

Now when I came to this realization, I wondered if it was true that there was the rumored "hidden message" encrypted within the bible. I’ve read the bible many times. Front to back sometimes, and other times in depth studies about various subjects, checking out historical references, even different translations. I never saw any hidden messages of the sort. Religion had truly dug deep.

Eventually it dawned on me that the intertangled web of misinformation, disinformation, tradition, and lies, stemmed back as far as recorded history existed. It was driving me crazy! The greatest shock however was when I realized that the farther back into history the more confusion existed! Building lies upon lies upon lies the truth about civilization seemed almost gone. People on this site are hardly ignorant of ancient civilizations which possessed amazing technologies, understanding, perhaps even "super human" powers! None of these concrete evidences fit into any version of religion that I studied. Combine that with the notion that there is enough archaeological evidence to suggest that perhaps we were truly visited by an advanced race, made religion seem like fiction! What the hell is going on?

While researching a man named Ron Wyatt and some of his discoveries, I stumbled upon his claims of finding the remnant of Noah's ark. For those that don't know, the story of the biblical deluge is present in over 120 cultures, suggesting that a man and his family survived it using a boat. Much scientific evidence also suggests that a global flood did happen at some point so I figured the story of Noah was a great place to start as that instance in history was the jump off for modern history.

Noah’s ark, genesis chapter 6... I figured let's go back to a few more chapters. The creation story. Adam and eve. Cain and able. Cain’s banishment which led to him building the first cities. The original patriarchs of the Adam’s bloodlines which included Enoch! I even read the book of Enoch during this time for the first time. Marvelous!

Before I go on, I want to show you the results of the programming which we have all undergone. I know it sounds extreme but please just bare with me!

When I say Adam and eve you probably think of something like this:

This is the result of the programming! What actually happens is that when you read the scriptures about Adam and eve or the flood of Noah or the tower of Babel, a similar mental image pops into your head which "downloads" the programming. Instead let's try to apply logic and see if there is a different, deeper message.

Genesis 1 is the creation story. I’d urge everybody reading this to go read it either in your bibles or on a website like biblegateway.com

Besides certain scientific revelations that I have understood by reading this, I want to concentrate for now on the "alien" agenda.

Day one is the "big bang" and the separation of day and night. Day 2 is the creation of atmosphere through separation of water. Day 3 the unveiling of land masses and production of plant life. Day 4 the organization of celestial bodies and the introduction of time. Day 5 the creation of birds and water living creatures.

Day 6: after the creation of land animals,

«26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
In the image of God he created them;
Male and female he created them."

And immediately the controversies begin. With this passage, immediately I would get that famous image referred to above as Adam and eve in front of a tree holding an apple, fig leaves covering their genitalia and a mean looking snake hovering above them...

However this is far from the truth!

The creation account does not end in chapter 1. It continues to chapter 2, and then at some point the writer goes back into the story of the creation.

"4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

At first it seems, because of the programming that it is just an expanded version of the 6th day. But let's look closer:

First thing to do is figure the time frame. Verse 5 refers to a point in time where «no shrub ... and no plant" had appeared on the earth. So, this is referencing DAY 3 not day 6!!! (And here are 2 of those 3 "magic" numbers 3, 6, 9!)

Secondly these are 2 completely separate creation accounts. On day 6 there is a verbal command and the it simply happened. Also, in verse 26 notice that "god" is speaking to someone, using a plural form; "let us, our image, our likeness". Where as in the second account, there is a physical act being done, using dirt and spirit to activate life.

Thirdly, where as Adam (day 3) is referred to as a living being, day 6 refers a man-kind, or a kind of man! I didn’t think much of this at first until I picked up another English translation of the bible; I think it was a newer version of the NIB and the word "mankind» simply became "man". It wouldn't mean much if you didn't catch the day 3 creation.

Am I right in my analysis? You decide. If I am though, imagine that Judaism, Christianity and Islam all take the fundamental principal that God created man ONLY on the sixth day. There whole religious view is based on this! If they got the creation wrong then the whole foundation will send religion crumbling to the ground. And let it crumble. I refuse to believe a lie.

So then, where does this leave us?
1) Adam was NOT created on day 6 contrary to popular belief
2) There is a biblical reference to a second creation of a “kind of man” perhaps THESE beings are the true so called “aliens” that the elite have come to program us, through their propaganda machines, that they come from some other galaxy. Perhaps these are the beings referred to as angels, demons, devils and fallen ones. Perhaps some of these beings are the ones who are referenced in ancient texts and myths, the same ones we believe wielded these awesome technologies that today we are trying to rediscover and reproduce. Think about it? if we are ALWAYS being lied to by the elite through disinformation, would they not use the same tactics for a similar, i.e. aliens, existence? Would it not make sense that these beings originated here and that they probably never left?
3) There is more knowledge locked up in the Vatican vaults than anywhere else on the globe. What are they hiding?
4) What else are we missing? What is religion hiding from us? Does not this then help us why religion is TRULY so ungodly?

I stand by my discovery. This is simply the tip of the iceberg. It’s late and more will come soon

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They say we will reach a point where the people living will equal all the people that have ever lived, after the flood of course, Im sure we are close maybe even exceeded that number.
The deceiver has been laying his trap from the very beginning, Sumerian star gods, Egyptian gods, Mayan gods, all point to star gods - aliens, it all leads to a point in time when the end shall come.
Dont let yourselves be deceived, The Bible speaks of a great falling away, the trap is set, it will come.
Dont be dazzled by technology, dont be fooled by lies.
Study and ask the Creator to guide you.

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Not sure how this relates to "free energy" but I will try to help your confusion.

Brother, if you are using anything else other than the KJV Bible, that is one big source for your confusion. God is all powerful and he promised to keep his word pure, that is the KJV.

The "newer" bible versions are Satanic corruptions of God's word, written by pagans to mislead people to not trust the the word of God in the Bible. They are full of contradictions and errors. You can read "New Age Bible Versions" and "Hazardous Materials: Greek and Hebrew Study Dangers" if you want to learn more.

Throw those bibles away and stick to the KJV.

New Age Bible Versions (Riplinger, The Prophecy Club) - Full Length - YouTube

First, there are no contradictions in the Bible that I've ever seen - only lack of perfect understanding for all of us.

A couple of points on what you stated:

1) The idea of the "trinity" is a pagan idea, nowhere in the Bible is this idea or word ever mentioned - The Trinity is where the bodies of God (God the Father, God the Son & and the Holy Spirit) are melded into one big blob of Godliness. So the idea of one single God is what the trinity idea preaches, this is not what the Bible teaches so it is NOT valid.

God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit are 3 different beings PERFECTLY united in thought and understanding. But they are independent of each other and perform different functions.

The one talking in Genesis 1:26 is Jesus since Jesus created everything Colossians 1:16 "For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him." He is talking to God the Father and the Holy Spirit. He is not talking to Adam and creating "aliens" on day 3. Sorry but your idea is really stretching things and relies on the unBiblical Trinity concept.

2) Adam was created on the sixth day. So when God is talking to Adam, it is the 6th day, not the 3rd. I see no proof from what you said that proves otherwise. The events you mention are sequential and there was no need to specify the days again when it was already stated.

Nowhere in the Bible is there any mention of 'aliens'. Sorry. Wish there was.

If you hate organized religion, join the group! They are all a bunch of Satanic ran organizations today. I can't find a church that is not wicked. But the Bible already stated this would occur, if you read Revelations properly - so the Bible is correct again about Babylon and her *****doms.

Organized religions have a lot more damning points against it than the misapplied idea of aliens. So why not point out the obvious - 501c3 tax status, clergy response teams, false & misleading application of Biblical prophecy, child sex rings, murder... you name it.

But if you are trying to destroy the Bible (which I am not sure this is your objective), you are way off and you will only end up destroying yourself. Because there is not one error in the KJV Bible and it is the ONLY book to have 100% accurate prophetic fulfillment - even to the day in some cases. Because it is the Word of God and you'd be better off believing it than to think you can outsmart God.

The Bible does NOT equal religion. Most of those people in the church don't even read their Bibles regularly! Over 50% of the Catholic traditions are NOT found in the Bible.

Most people do not really follow the Bible, they actually follow their preachers and whatever they say.

99% of the churches DO NOT even tell their followers to obey all of the 10 Commandments!

Ron Wyatt was so right on. His messages should be listened to because he has the hard physical PROOF to back up his claims.

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Ilike your Thread...

Hello,

I like this Thread...
That it relates to Free Energy?...Of Course it does.
That Aliens exist?...Of Course They Do.
That God exists?...Of Course God exists.

But We all got it all twisted, from "day one"...to now.
The oldest scripture there is...is NOT the Bible, any Bible...BUT
The Sumerian Texts.
All other related "Books" are just cheap and modified, twisted and altered copies of those texts...

That Aliens are not mentioned in the Bible(s)...?
Of course they mention them back and forth...
"The Gods came from the Skies..."
The Merkaba...
Ezequiel Dream?
All the ancient paintings?

First Religions do not like Aliens...Why?

Everything will be known/revealed ...that was just a big Scam...to control people...to inject fear...then more control..."In nomini dei Spiriti Sancti...Amen"...I will burn you and condemn you to the purifying fires from heaven..."
Many Scientists were condemned that way...
The Saint Inquisition...Catholic, Roman...and Apostolic...killed/assassin more people than ALL the worst catastrophes on this Planet...plus summed together to all the Wars we had..."In the name of God" ...They were "on power" for more than 900 years...

Humanism was prosecuted...
Science was prosecuted...
Technology was prosecuted...

Now Aliens are not allowed either(prosecuted)..why?

Free Energy...

Or you guys really think there are CHEVRON, MOBIL ,TEXACO as BP Gas Stations all over the Universe?..and they travel like "The Cartoon the Jetsons?

If they release Alien Disclosure...They know Oil and Nuclear is over...
They won't...

We will


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Not sure how this relates to "free energy" but I will try to help your confusion.
thank you for your comment silvertogold. this absolutely relates to free energy since many people are all looking towards ancient civilizations in order to decode the blueprints for learning and rediscovering the methods used in the past. if we can go past religions' interpretations of the bible, which is not dealing with any of the real issues, then we can see that things like "the wheel within the wheel" from jeremiah, the ark of the covenant, the mentionings of the book from the book of enoch, are referencing some forms of technology, and NOT alien tech, but tech that is completely relevant to technology that originated on earth, or at least perhaps, in our solar system.

when tesla speaks about the magnificence of the 3,6,9 and his referencing to the bible, just look at the first 3 days of creation. vs, 3,6,9 of Gen 1 is the formation of our ecosystem. (vs3)the big bang giving light and energy creating the first oscillations, ie.e day and night, (vs6)the "seperation of the waters from the waters" which produced the "vault" of skies/atmosphere, which before it filled with air, was a vacuum and (vs9) the formation of vegetation which produced the gases that filled the vault. maybe this isnt what tesla was refering to but it is STILL sound science, as this would have to be the natural order of occurence. the whole point of me writing this is to get as far away from religios interpretations and use God's "Evlogia",
the logic that he gave me to perhaps take in something more moeaningful from the scriptures.


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Brother, if you are using anything else other than the KJV Bible, that is one big source for your confusion. God is all powerful and he promised to keep his word pure, that is the KJV.
KJV Gen 2:

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

vs 5 still refers to the point in the creation, i.e. before plants appear on the earth...


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The "newer" bible versions are Satanic corruptions of God's word, written by pagans to mislead people to not trust the the word of God in the Bible. They are full of contradictions and errors. You can read "New Age Bible Versions" and "Hazardous Materials: Greek and Hebrew Study Dangers" if you want to learn more.

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i agree that most bibles are unfortunatly corrupted. but i think that it was a gradual process mainly relating to the catholic churche's monopolization of the texts before the invention of the printing press. the way i see it, history repeats itself, and as with the industrial revolution's ability to help people break away from the stranglehold from religious oppression, so the age of the internet is and will do similar, wonderful things.

Throw those bibles away and stick to the KJV.

New Age Bible Versions (Riplinger, The Prophecy Club) - Full Length - YouTube
First, there are no contradictions in the Bible that I've ever seen - only lack of perfect understanding for all of us..
amen! so let's use the blessings( common sense) god gives us to understand.

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A couple of points on what you stated:

1) The idea of the "trinity" is a pagan idea, nowhere in the Bible is this idea or word ever mentioned - The Trinity is where the bodies of God (God the Father, God the Son & and the Holy Spirit) are melded into one big blob of Godliness. So the idea of one single God is what the trinity idea preaches, this is not what the Bible teaches so it is NOT valid.

God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit are 3 different beings PERFECTLY united in thought and understanding. But they are independent of each other and perform different functions.

The one talking in Genesis 1:26 is Jesus since Jesus created everything Colossians 1:16 "For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him." He is talking to God the Father and the Holy Spirit. He is not talking to Adam and creating "aliens" on day 3. Sorry but your idea is really stretching things and relies on the unBiblical Trinity concept.
i am making no references at this time to trinity or any other doctrines of faith. this is a person's personal beliefs and i am not one to mock presonal issues of faith. i am simply stating that the origins of the world that god created are being purposefully misinterpretted so that the vice of "religion" can enslave the masses. religion is truly the opium of the people.

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2) Adam was created on the sixth day. So when God is talking to Adam, it is the 6th day, not the 3rd. I see no proof from what you said that proves otherwise. The events you mention are sequential and there was no need to specify the days again when it was already stated.

Nowhere in the Bible is there any mention of 'aliens'. Sorry. Wish there was.
here i must disagree with oyu brother. if you consider the "aliens" as E.T.s then yes you are correct. but if you look at the fractured pieces of history and ancient civilizations that remain, whether in sumerian or other ancient texts, the archaeological remains, or even oral traditions and myths, then, by Biblical example, the beings that were once referred to as "gods" and today many believe them to be "aliens" are in fact the religious interpretation of angels and demons. beings with extraordinary powers that appeared and continue to appear people( ron wyatt said so himself right before he discoverd the ark of the covenant!), possesed amazing knowledge now almost lost to the world, technologies far greater than ours today, manipulated genetics, and perhaps even instigated the rise of empires thorughout history. try to look past the programming. there are so many examples of "glitches in the religious matrix". these institutions have the sole purpose of keeping people in a state of de-evolution. the bible itself references that these "beings" came to earth and had children. so you see, the BIGGEST question is where the hell are they? where did they go after the flood? are they still here silently pulling strings? we HAVE evidences that they were once here, the archaelogy, the giant humanoid skeletons that have been found referenced in scripture as giants that even existed AFTER the deluge, the hierglyphics and other ancient texts that refer to them as "gods", annunaki
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If you hate organized religion, join the group! They are all a bunch of Satanic ran organizations today. I can't find a church that is not wicked. But the Bible already stated this would occur, if you read Revelations properly - so the Bible is correct again about Babylon and her *****doms.

Organized religions have a lot more damning points against it than the misapplied idea of aliens. So why not point out the obvious - 501c3 tax status, clergy response teams, false & misleading application of Biblical prophecy, child sex rings, murder... you name it.
amen!

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But if you are trying to destroy the Bible (which I am not sure this is your objective), you are way off and you will only end up destroying yourself. Because there is not one error in the KJV Bible and it is the ONLY book to have 100% accurate prophetic fulfillment - even to the day in some cases. Because it is the Word of God and you'd be better off believing it than to think you can outsmart God.
i am not attacking the bible! i am actually re-enforcing it! nothing that i am saying is contradictory to what the bible says.

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The Bible does NOT equal religion. Most of those people in the church don't even read their Bibles regularly! Over 50% of the Catholic traditions are NOT found in the Bible.

Most people do not really follow the Bible, they actually follow their preachers and whatever they say.

99% of the churches DO NOT even tell their followers to obey all of the 10 Commandments!
amen!


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Ron Wyatt was so right on. His messages should be listened to because he has the hard physical PROOF to back up his claims.

God Bless
God bless you too brother!
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I agree with the King James Version. The original translation of the mark of the beast was changed to "upon" the right hand or "upon" the forehead. The original was within the right hand or within the forehead. A very big difference.
The first audio communication was Ezekiels wheel. Its also the first recorded "machine" as it were. There were no beings inside. Its configuration follows the "right hand" rule as far as electricity is concerned. Magnetic field 90 degrees to the electric field. Ampere stated that magnetism is two opposing electric fields. Ed L said basically the same thing but called it Magetricity. Two opposite magnetic currents of North and South.
Toroid windings can increase voltage. Ed Ls Pmh is similar to a toroid with the keeper on. My thoughts on Ezekiels two intersecting toroids is that the radiant field is being used.
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Hello,

I like this Thread...
That it relates to Free Energy?...Of Course it does.
That Aliens exist?...Of Course They Do.
That God exists?...Of Course God exists.

But We all got it all twisted, from "day one"...to now.
The oldest scripture there is...is NOT the Bible, any Bible...BUT
The Sumerian Texts.
All other related "Books" are just cheap and modified, twisted and altered copies of those texts...

That Aliens are not mentioned in the Bible(s)...?
Of course they mention them back and forth...
"The Gods came from the Skies..."
The Merkaba...
Ezequiel Dream?
All the ancient paintings?

First Religions do not like Aliens...Why?

Everything will be known/revealed ...that was just a big Scam...to control people...to inject fear...then more control..."In nomini dei Spiriti Sancti...Amen"...I will burn you and condemn you to the purifying fires from heaven..."
Many Scientists were condemned that way...
The Saint Inquisition...Catholic, Roman...and Apostolic...killed/assassin more people than ALL the worst catastrophes on this Planet...plus summed together to all the Wars we had..."In the name of God" ...They were "on power" for more than 900 years...

Humanism was prosecuted...
Science was prosecuted...
Technology was prosecuted...

Now Aliens are not allowed either(prosecuted)..why?

Free Energy...

Or you guys really think there are CHEVRON, MOBIL ,TEXACO as BP Gas Stations all over the Universe?..and they travel like "The Cartoon the Jetsons?

If they release Alien Disclosure...They know Oil and Nuclear is over...
They won't...

We will


Regards


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thank you for your comment Ufopolitics

although i know that many people are looking to the stars for answers, perhaps the givers of these answers are not so far away.

the overmounting evidence of a parallel species that "coexisted" (and i use this term very loosely) is not something that is in much need for debate among freethinkers like ourselves. however, where as the idea that these beings are ETs is relatively "new", because for thousands of years they were considered gods by the citizens of the world! and the whole concept of followers of "multiple" gods slowly gave way to the idea of one TRUE god. how? well hopefully because it was true!! and to prove it, logic MUST have been used! but this left a vacuum for the meaning of WHAT god was, how to "harness" god and who taught these teachings!

"god is love" and "the angels attend to God" ! think about it! and although angels were sent to earth to do god's work, a faction of them revolted setting themselves up to BE gods. this is not more evident than in the rise of empires that ensued over the course of millenia! men setting themselves up as gods! this is simply a repeated historical structure!

i think that whatever God is, it really cannot be revealed in our current mindset. there is too much pollution and distortion from millenia of oppression to really figure it out at this time.

however if we can once again tune into the ultimate reality then perhaps, like many biblical and other historical figures, we can "walk" with these beings again who taught the true meaning of love ot the world! !

would it be so difficult to assume that the maker of humanity also created another race of beings that walked among the earth, taught humans many things, and that at some point there was a revolt among them? theysplit into 2 camps, (good guys and bad guys?) and perhaps they were the reason that there was a global deluge to begin with?

with respect to UFO politics, just look at the shady history of the "ufo cover up" it almost seems orchestrated, from orson wells infamous broadcasts of an alien invasion, the manipulation of viktor schauberger's work by nazi germany and then by the same scientists working in the US, the roswell "cover up" which really served to advance america's war technolgies and perhaps they even captured one fo these beings i am referring to (see the scripture from 2 peter below but who knows?), to the worldwide acceptance of much of the earth's population of ET's instigated through hollywood and other propaganda machines! all of this however is farther from what i am claiming is to be true. that the beings that are reffered to as ETs are in fact the religious interpretations of angels and demons, also represented in the past by the sumerian anunakis, the mayan sun gods, and whatever other interpretations of "THEM" that exist!

my discovery simply amplifies that fact that the creation story in the book of genesis is a true mirror to the sumerian texts where as the religion institutions would call this blasphemy and heretical! F**k 'em! the ancient history of the world would have been known to ancient peoples the same way 9/11 is known today and will be known in the future. why? because the whole world was a witness to it!

so the writer of Genesis perhaps oversimplified the writing simply because the info was at the time common knowledge! for example, where the writer says that there was no rain on the earth at the time would have been an immediate disqualification to the text if this wasnt true! but the text endured! why? because most probably this is EXACTLY how it was on the earth at some point! ancient peoples were not stupid as mainstream knowledge is saying but they were probably a hell of a lot smarter and more in-tune with history then we are!

2 Peter 2

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False Teachers and Their Destruction

2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[c] and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from[d] the Lord. 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish
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For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV

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carroll, thank you for your comment

exactly, remember that the new testament scripture are now 2000 years old and because of the lack of access to the scriptures during the first millenia, the catholic church was able to interpret the scriptures to the masses however they saw fit inorder to continue it's stranglehold on humanity. crusades, plagues, and other events during this time all served to help slowly forget our true history.

the true orders of god recorded in deuteronomy 4:9 was thus abandoned
"Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the things your eyes have seen or let them fade from your heart as long as you live. Teach them to your children and to their children after them."

this absence of verbal teaching thus allowed the "church" to inject SO MUCH disinformation into the world that the our true heritage has been buried under a mountain of lies while in the meanwhile the "rulers" placed themselves in a postion of ultimate authority. the modern day representatives of god on earth
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I agree with the King James Version. The original translation of the mark of the beast was changed to "upon" the right hand or "upon" the forehead. The original was within the right hand or within the forehead. A very big difference.
The first audio communication was Ezekiels wheel. Its also the first recorded "machine" as it were. There were no beings inside. Its configuration follows the "right hand" rule as far as electricity is concerned. Magnetic field 90 degrees to the electric field. Ampere stated that magnetism is two opposing electric fields. Ed L said basically the same thing but called it Magetricity. Two opposite magnetic currents of North and South.
Toroid windings can increase voltage. Ed Ls Pmh is similar to a toroid with the keeper on. My thoughts on Ezekiels two intersecting toroids is that the radiant field is being used.
RADIANT ELECTRICITY
thanks for your comment iotayodi

you are now grasping the rason why i posted this thread here!
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Interesting thread. What does it have to do with alternative energy technology? Everything!
But, I wanted to reminds us that way before OUR known bibles, the Vimanas of India were flying around, and landing on their temples, were mentioned in their bibles, and scriptures, and more... 11.000 years ago.
Our history is so fragmented that we have forgotten who we are...

Those that can "travel" between galaxies, in the blink of an eye, have no problem producing an energy device, building megalithic temples, etz...
Check this out:
Vimana Aircraft of Ancient India - YouTube
THE VYMAANIKA-SHAASTRA-Vimanas device. - YouTube
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I was given a KJ Bible as part of my 'schooling'.
I did not like indoctrination in a place of 'learning'.

Gee, little did I realise how mind corrupting my 'schooling' was.

Please, will anyone quoting the Bible as if Truthful evidence, first check that evidence for themselves, so that they might be sure that they are repeating Truth.

And might I suggest that quoters first study the pre-Roman Sinai Bible upon which All modern Christian Bibles have been based.
Check out what is NOT there (Trinity and Resurrection), and also the wonderful teachings which were there but which have been OMITTED (Didache etc.), that is if you can find them on the 'net through all of the search engine diversions resulting from mainstream linking.

Also please check to see what 'Christian' prayers, beliefs and Jesus story texts were based upon, for exactly the same 'Christian' prayers and psalms etc. appear in millenia older (*pre-Jesus* ! ) writings inside Egyptian tombs.

So what else was I willfully distracted from learning via my 'religious education and formative education' ?
'Free Energy' of course, with a brainwashing which steers the mind from understanding the true history of humanity, and the real 'wheelwork of nature'.
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Dear Logos,

The only way I found the answers (like you I struggled) to these questions in the Word, was with Hebrew translations. From reading what most have said here it seems we all have been taught by a generation that had the same traditions and doctrines passed down to them.

The study of what the Bible was originally written in helps ALLOT.

I've planted churches in other countries, been ordained for many years, studied the Word in Japanese, english, greek, and hebrew. Hebrew words can be broken down into separate syllables and each one has a meaning.

I'm no scholar by no means. But after two visits to Israel my eyes were opened to our westernized way of ; the life of christian, the translation of Yahveys Word, and the only way is what the pullpit says. Sorry to most who may read this. I'm not bashing America or the teachers of the Bible. I try to add to others understanding- to Bless, not take away. By the way study what "Blessing" is in Hebrew.

And lastly my friend, it's not what you know, have built on this planet, religion, denomination, etc., it is your relationship with the Father, God, Yahveh and Yeshua(Jesus). If you look in the names of people in the hebrew of the Bible, Yeshua means salvation and is recorded 118 times in the Old Testiment.

Hope this blesses you, this is not an attempt to indoctrinate.
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Logos,

I do appreciate anyone that actually reads their Bible, so God Bless you brother for keeping and trying to understand God's Word. Please look into keeping with the KJV Bible as Gail Riplinger has pointed out.

Please consider my view here on your comment on your interpretation of Genesis. If what you said was true, then the Bible is lying. If he created Adam on the 3rd day, then the Bible was lying when God said Adam was created on the 6th day. This can not be true if the Bible is the Word of God. As you know, no one was around except the Godhead at creation - so Genesis was dictated to Adam from God Himself.

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4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

vs 5 still refers to the point in the creation, i.e. before plants appear on the earth...
Logos, were you aware that 1) Genesis was written by at least 10 different authors and 2) when in Genesis it says "These are the generations" - that is the signing off of one author and the start of the next?

Verse 5 is the next author (Adam in this case) going back to Day 3. Verse 7 is Day 6. It has to be this way else the Bible is in contradiction.

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here i must disagree with oyu brother. if you consider the "aliens" as E.T.s then yes you are correct. but if you look at the fractured pieces of history and ancient civilizations that remain, whether in sumerian or other ancient texts, the archaeological remains, or even oral traditions and myths, then, by Biblical example, the beings that were once referred to as "gods" and today many believe them to be "aliens" are in fact the religious interpretation of angels and demons. beings with extraordinary powers that appeared and continue to appear people( ron wyatt said so himself right before he discoverd the ark of the covenant!), possesed amazing knowledge now almost lost to the world, technologies far greater than ours today, manipulated genetics, and perhaps even instigated the rise of empires thorughout history. try to look past the programming. there are so many examples of "glitches in the religious matrix". these institutions have the sole purpose of keeping people in a state of de-evolution. the bible itself references that these "beings" came to earth and had children. so you see, the BIGGEST question is where the hell are they? where did they go after the flood? are they still here silently pulling strings? we HAVE evidences that they were once here, the archaelogy, the giant humanoid skeletons that have been found referenced in scripture as giants that even existed AFTER the deluge, the hierglyphics and other ancient texts that refer to them as "gods", annunaki, and others!
There was definitely a advance technology before the great Flood. I do personally believe that God made other life forms on other planets but I can't support that idea from the Bible.

I am confused, are you saying they did worship "gods", but these were just men (probably using demonic forces) and not aliens. Well, we're in total agreement if this is the case.

After the Flood, all land animals & people on earth died. So if there were any weird hybrids or whatever, they all died unless on the ark. But of course, demons didn't die and they went right to work after the Flood - look at the tower of Babel.

I don't see us in disagreement except the 3rd day creation of man.

Have you ever studied Kent Hovind's work? He does a great job on explaining the scientific side of pre-flood creation. Check out his work if you haven't.

Also, I think Jonathan Gray also has a lot of great work out there worth looking into. He covers a lot of "hidden" technology.

Keep up your search for truth Logos!

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GSM, while the facts you state are true, how you interpret the facts are incorrect. The Christian faith is NOT based on pagan Egyptian or any other stories. These pagan faiths were BASED from the story of the Bible.

Please consider these points.

1) The Bible was originally written by Adam, the 1st man and then added to and passed down through Noah and so forth through modern times. So it is the OLDEST book and only accurate book of human history.

2) Every known civilization in human history have ALL THE SAME GROUPING OF THE CONSTELLATIONS! Which is older, the Zodiac or the Egyptians? Obviously, it's the Zodiac since all the other civilization that did not come from Egypt had them also. This means that the story in the constellation goes back to the very beginning of ALL MEN. This is a fact.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

When Adam sinned and was kicked out of the Garden, God gave Adam the story of salvation written in the STARS and that was passed down to all men. So every "religious" entity through all time have known the story of Christ and of Salvation. They (through Satanic influence) of course copied these things BEFORE Christ came in an attempt to "nullify" the salvation of Christ.

Here is a video that clearly explains this.

Jonathan Gray - Surprising Discoveries 4 - The Truth Behind Star Signs - YouTube

3) Only Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the prophecy of His coming as predicted in the Bible/Torah. Even the Stars and Zodiac bear witness to His EXACT timing as the one true Christ. So no pagan stories can nullify these facts as to who is the one true Christ.

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NickZ, these stories may very well be true but they are NOT 11,000 years old. All the evidence point to the Earth being no more than 6000 years old.

If Vimanas of India was really 11,000 years old, can you prove that?

And, the Bible is older than any other Book. Adam, the first man wrote the first part of Genesis. It's not possible for any other book to be older.

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Interesting thread. What does it have to do with alternative energy technology? Everything!
But, I wanted to reminds us that way before OUR known bibles, the Vimanas of India were flying around, and landing on their temples, were mentioned in their bibles, and scriptures, and more... 11.000 years ago.
Our history is so fragmented that we have forgotten who we are...

Those that can "travel" between galaxies, in the blink of an eye, have no problem producing an energy device, building megalithic temples, etz...
Check this out:
Vimana Aircraft of Ancient India - YouTube
THE VYMAANIKA-SHAASTRA-Vimanas device. - YouTube
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NickZ, All the evidence point to the Earth being no more than 6000 years old.

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What evidence ?
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I do not believe in "Fairy Tales" written by Mortals...

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And, the Bible is older than any other Book. Adam, the first man wrote the first part of Genesis. It's not possible for any other book to be older.
Really?

It "happens" that The Bible (New Testament) was written in an Age defined by A.D (Latin: Anno Domini-NOT "After Death" like some say...In "English Language"...Nope...the predominating Language for Millennium was Latin...not English..sorry.)

Hebrew Bible: Psalms[citation needed] (according to late dating) Book of Ezekiel, Book of Daniel (according to conservative or early dating)
6th century BC

New Testament was written in the First Century of A.D.
1st Century AD



Now, Thousands of Years before the "Point" "A.D."...was the "B.C."...And it happens that B.C. Dates back to 8 CENTURIES...and , since We, here are "most" very good at math...should know that each century contains...100 years... , BUT before that...were "The Ages" denominations...and each Age lasted from 300 up to 600 years...So guys...please "Add Up"...

We should say The Oldest "TEXT" in Our History...On Planet Earth and not books...just because, some Text was written in Architectural Structures, that based on pretty accurate Scientific tests, dates back to more than "just" 6,000 years ago...like the Egyptian Pyramids...and many others.

The Oldest Religious "TEXTS" that We ALL "should" know about...are ...

THE SUMERIAN TEXTS


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Ancient Literature Chart

Here is a pretty good "Time Chart" related to this issue:

Ancient literature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


BUT, to make it more "Graphic" (Oh yes, I love very well done Graphics and nice colors... )
Now, note that Chart is written STARTING FROM THE OLDEST TO THE NEWEST
So, I colored the Texts of concern ...and keep scrolling down, very down til you find The Bibles...they are in Red color.
Here it is:

List of ancient texts

Bronze Age

See also: Sumerian literature, Akkadian literature, Ancient Egyptian literature, Hittite texts, Vedic Sanskrit

Early Bronze Age: 3rd millennium BC (approximate dates shown) The earliest written literature dates from about 2600 BC (classical Sumerian).[1] The earliest literary authors known by name are Shuruppak and Urukagina, dating to ca. the 27th and 24th centuries BC, respectively. Certain literary texts are difficult to date, such as the Egyptian Book of the Dead which was recorded in the Papyrus of Ani around 1240 BC, but other versions of the book probably date from about the 18th century BC.

2600 Sumerian texts from Abu Salabikh, including the Instructions of Shuruppak and the Kesh temple hymn
2600 Akkadian Legend of Etana [2]
2400 Egyptian Pyramid Texts, including the Cannibal Hymn
2400 Sumerian Code of Urukagina [3]
2400 Egyptian Palermo stone
2350 Egyptian The Maxims of Ptahhotep
2270 Sumerian Enheduanna's Hymns
2250-2000 Sumerian Earliest stories in theEpic of Gilgamesh [4][5]
2100 Sumerian Curse of Agade
2100 Sumerian Debate between Bird and Fish
2050 Sumerian Code of Ur-Nammu
2000 Egyptian Coffin Texts
2000 Sumerian Lament for Ur
2000 Sumerian Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta

Middle Bronze Age: ca. 2000 to 1600 BC (approximate dates shown)

1950 Akkadian Laws of Eshnunna
1900 Sumerian Code of Lipit-Ishtar
1900 Akkadian Epic of Gilgamesh
1850 Akkadian Kultepe texts
1800 Egyptian Story of Sinuhe (in Hieratic)
1800 Sumerian Eridu Genesis
1800 Akkadian Enűma Eliš
1800 Akkadian Atra-Hasis epic
1780 Akkadian Code of Hammurabi stele
1780 Akkadian Mari letters, including the Epic of Zimri-Lim
1750 Hittite Anitta text
1700 Egyptian Westcar Papyrus
1650 Egyptian Ipuwer Papyrus

Late Bronze Age: ca. 1600 to 1200 BC (approximate dates shown)

1700-1100 Vedic Sanskrit: approximate date of the composition of the Rigveda. Many of these were not set to writing until later.[6]
1600 Hittite Code of the Nesilim
1500 Akkadian Poor Man of Nippur [7]
1500 Hittite military oath
1550 Egyptian Book of the Dead
1500 Akkadian Dynasty of Dunnum[8]
1440-1400 Hebrew Torah, also called the Pentateuch or Five Books of Moses[9][10][11][12][13] with a final redaction between 900-450 BC.[14][15] Some give an alternate date of 1320-1280.[16]
1400 Akkadian Marriage of Nergal and Ereshkigal
1400 Akkadian Autobiography of Kurigalzu
1400 Akkadian Amarna letters
1330 Egyptian Great Hymn to the Aten
1240 Egyptian Papyrus of Ani, Book of the Dead
1200-900 Akkadian version and younger stories in the Epic of Gilgamesh[17]
1200 Akkadian Tukulti-Ninurta Epic
1200 Egyptian Tale of Two Brothers [18]

Iron Age

See also Sanskrit literature, Chinese literature

Iron Age texts predating Classical Antiquity: 12th to 8th centuries BC

1200-1100 BC approximate date of books RV 1 and RV 10 in the Rigveda
1200-800 BC approximate date of the Vedic Sanskrit Yajurveda, Atharvaveda
1100-800 BC date of the redaction of the extant text of the Rigveda
1050 BC Egyptian Story of Wenamun
1050 BC Akkadian Sakikkū (SA.GIG) “Diagnostic Omens” by Esagil-kin-apli.[19]
1050 BC The Babylonian Theodicy of Šaggil-kīnam-ubbib.[19]
1000-600 BC Chinese Classic of Poetry (Shījīng), Classic of Documents (Shūjīng) (authentic portions), Classic of Changes (I Ching)
950 BC date of the Jahwist portions of the Torah according to the documentary hypothesis
900 BC Akkadian Epic of Erra
850 BC date of the Elohist portions of the Torah according to the documentary hypothesis

Classical Antiquity

See also Ancient Greek literature, Syriac literature, Latin literature, Indian literature, Hebrew literature, Avesta
See also: centuries in poetry: 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st

8th century BC

Greek Trojan War cycle, including the Iliad and the Odyssey
800-500 BC: Sanskrit Brahmanas
722–481 BC: Chinese Spring and Autumn Annals (Chūnqiū) (chronicles of the state of Lu)
Oldest non-Pentateuchal books of the Hebrew Bible (the Book of Nahum, Book of Hosea, Book of Amos, Book of Isaiah)

7th century BC

Greek:
Hesiod: The Theogony and Works and Days
Archilochus
Alcman
Semonides of Amorgos
Solon
Mimnermus
Stesichorus

6th century BC

Hebrew Bible: Psalms[citation needed] (according to late dating) Book of Ezekiel, Book of Daniel (according to conservative or early dating)
Chinese: Sun Tzu: The Art of War (Sūnzǐ Bīngfǎ)
Sanskrit:
Sutra literature
some Mukhya Upanishads (Katha Upanishad, Maitrayaniya Upanishad)
Greek:
Sappho
Ibycus
Alcaeus of Mytilene
Aesop's Fables

5th century BC

5th century BC to 4th century AD: Sanskrit: Epics (Mahabharata and Ramayana)
Avestan: Yasht
Chinese:
Confucius: Analects (Lúnyǔ)
Classic of Rites (Lǐjě)
Commentaries of Zuo (Zuǒzhuŕn)
Greek:
Pindar: Odes
Herodotus: The Histories of Herodotus
Thucydides: History of the Peloponnesian War
Aeschylus: The Suppliants, The Persians, Seven Against Thebes, Oresteia
Sophocles: Oedipus the King, Oedipus at Colonus, Antigone, Electra and other plays
Euripides: Alcestis, Medea, Heracleidae, Hippolytus, Andromache, Hecuba, The Suppliants, Electra, Heracles, Trojan Women, Iphigeneia in Tauris, Ion, Helen, Phoenician Women, Orestes, Bacchae, Iphigeneia at Aulis, Cyclops, Rhesus
Aristophanes: The Acharnians, The Knights, The Clouds, The Wasps, Peace, The Birds, Lysistrata, Thesmophoriazusae, The Frogs, Ecclesiazousae, Plutus
Hebrew: date of the extant text of the Torah

4th century BC

Hebrew: Book of Job, beginning of Hebrew wisdom literature
Chinese:
Laozi (or Lao Tzu): Tao Te Ching
Zhuangzi: Zhuangzi (book)
Mencius: Mencius
Greek:
Xenophon: Anabasis, Cyropaedia
Aristotle: Nicomachean Ethics, Metaphysics
Plato: Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Theaetetus, Parmenides, Symposium, Phaedrus, Protagoras, Gorgias, Meno, Menexenus, Republic, Timaeus
Euclid: Elements
Menander: Dyskolos
Theophrastus: Enquiry into Plants

3rd century BC

Avestan: Avesta
Etruscan: Liber Linteus Zagrabiensis (Linen Book of Zagreb)
Sanskrit: Panchatantra by Vishnu Sarma
Tamil:
3rd century BC to 3rd century AD: Sangam poems
Tolkāppiyam (grammar book)
Hebrew: Ecclesiastes
Latin:
Lucius Livius Andronicus (c. 280/260 BC — c. 200 BC), translator, founder of Roman drama
Gnaeus Naevius (ca. 264 — 201 BC), dramatist, epic poet
Titus Maccius Plautus (c. 254 — 184 BC), dramatist, composer of comedies: Poenulus, Miles Gloriosus, and other plays
Quintus Fabius Pictor (3rd century BC), historian
Lucius Cincius Alimentus (3rd century BC), military historian and antiquarian
Greek:
Manetho: Aegyptiaca

2nd century BC

Avestan: Vendidad
Chinese: Sima Qian: Records of the Grand Historian (Shǐjě)
Aramaic: Book of Daniel
Hebrew: Sirach
Greek
Polybius: The Histories
Book of Wisdom
Septuagint
Latin:
Terence (195/185 BC — 159 BC), comic dramatist: The Brothers, The Girl from Andros, Eunuchus, The Self-Tormentor,
Quintus Ennius (239 BC — c. 169 BC), poet
Marcus Pacuvius (ca. 220 BC — 130 BC), tragic dramatist, poet
Statius Caecilius (220 BC — 168/166 BC), comic dramatist
Marcius Porcius Cato (234 BC — 149 BC), generalist, topical writer
Gaius Acilius (2nd century BC), historian
Lucius Accius (170 BC — c. 86 BC), tragic dramatist, philologist
Gaius Lucilius (c. 160's BC — 103/2 BC), satirist
Quintus Lutatius Catulus (2nd century BC), public officer, epigramatist
Aulus Furius Antias (2nd century BC), poet
Gaius Julius Caesar Strabo Vopiscus (130 BC — 87 BC), public officer, tragic dramatist
Lucius Pomponius Bononiensis (2nd century BC), comic dramatist, satirist
Lucius Cassius Hemina (2nd century BC), historian
Lucius Calpurnius Piso Frugi (2nd century BC), historian
Manius Manilius (2nd century BC), public officer, jurist
Lucius Coelius Antipater (2nd century BC), jurist, historian
Publius Sempronius Asellio (158 BC — after 91 BC), military officer, historian
Gaius Sempronius Tuditanus (2nd century BC), jurist
Lucius Afranius (2nd & 1st centuries BC), comic dramatist
Titus Albucius (2nd & 1st centuries BC), orator
Publius Rutilius Rufus (158 BC — after 78 BC), jurist
Quintus Lutatius Catulus (2nd & 1st centuries BC), public officer, poet
Lucius Aelius Stilo Praeconinus (154 BC — 74 BC), philologist
Quintus Claudius Quadrigarius (2nd & 1st centuries BC), historian
Valerius Antias (2nd & 1st centuries BC), historian
Lucius Cornelius Sisenna (121 BC — 67 BC), soldier, historian
Quintus Cornificius (2nd & 1st centuries BC), rhetorician

1st century BC

Pali: Tipitaka
Latin:
Cicero: Catiline Orations, Pro Caelio, Dream of Scipio
Julius Caesar: Gallic Wars
Virgil: Eclogues, Georgics and Aeneid
Lucretius: On the Nature of Things
Livy: Ab Urbe Condita (History of Rome)

See also: Pahlavi literature, centuries in poetry: 1st, 2nd and 3rd
1st century AD

Chinese: Ban Gu: Book of Han (Hŕnshū)
Greek:
Plutarch: Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans
Josephus: The Jewish War, Antiquities of the Jews, Against Apion
The books of the New Testament
Latin: see Classical Latin
Tacitus: Germania
Ovid: Metamorphoses
Pliny the Elder: Natural History
Petronius: Satyricon
Seneca the Younger: Phaedra, Dialogues

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I was brought up as a Catholic, went to Catholic school when I was 5 years old, but, not by choice of my own, and have been reading and listening to these stories, all my life.
The "religious programing" did nothing more than cause the confusion that you speak of.
The "Bible" is only a very small fraction of the whole story and history of this planet, which is not just 6000 years old. And which is not even believed in or followed by the mayor part of humanity, to this day. Each continent has it's own "story". Each tribe has their own version. Some, like the Hopi Indians remember where they came from, and it wasn't Iran. The Australians, the Black race, the Yellow race, and Red races, are all different "HYBRIDS" which have nothing to do with the "Bible", or that version of the "truth", or even that part of the world.
This programing that we are mentioning is one of the things that is about to end at this year's end. Yes, that program has been going on for a long long time, from the time of UR. We now need to have the truth, not the fairy tales. Not the "RIB" and "Adam and Eve" story. Noah's Ark, etz...
No need to repeat what we've heard many, many, many times before.
Programming--repeat the program, more programing, repeat it again, and again, and again, and same old thing, as if there is nothing more to tell, nothing more to know, nothing more to learn. Fear based religions.
The gig is up... time to wake up and come out of the dream, or nightmare. No more "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" "I have not come to bring peace"... but, the sword is all we've ever had.
How many souls have died, in his name? Christian soldiers, Holy Wars, Holy Cows.
Sorry, but I can't take it any longer. Not me, I never did.

There is another Bible, one that you've probably never heard of, one written in the English language. Yes!
It was written in 1882 by Dr. John Ballou Newbrough. It is called "OAHSPE", It contain over 900 pages of information concerning our planet, its 24.000 years of human history, and all its mayor religions, etz...
For those interested you can downloaded it from the Internet.
There is several chapters dealing with cosmogony, prophesy, energy, light, vortex, and creation, in general.
This book is channeled information, not his personal opinions, theories, or deductions.



FOR THE PAST
TWENTY-FOUR THOUSAND YEARS,

BEING FROM THE SUBMERSION OF THE CONTINENT OF PAN IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN, COMMONLY CALLED THE FLOOD OR DELUGE, TO THE KOSMON ERA. ALSO A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE PRECEDING FIFTY-FIVE THOUSAND YEARS,

TOGETHER WITH

A SYNOPSIS OF THE COSMOGONY OF THE UNIVERSE; THE CREATION OF PLANETS; THE CREATION OF MAN; THE UNSEEN WORLDS;
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This is an interesting discussion.

I've read as much as I could about our ancient history. It seems that a lot of stories in the Old testament were copied from Sumerian text. Many of the stories are very similar even the story of Adam and Eve. But, the scary part is when they start talking about how we were supposedly genetically engineered to be slaves.

Lloyd Pye made a lecture about human origins. He's an anthropologist who researched about the differences in our anatomy compared to the previous humans and the anomalies in our DNA. He quoted that even the scientist who discovered DNA doubt that modern human evolution was anything but normal.

Lloyd Pye - Everything You Know Is Wrong - YouTube
This is about a 2 hour lecture, just fast forward it to the part where he starts talking about DNA. It's quite interesting.
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Sumerian Creation Myth and Flood Myth

The earliest record of the Sumerian creation myth and flood myth is found on a single fragmentary tablet excavated in Nippur, sometimes called the Eridu Genesis. It is written in the Sumerian language and datable by its script to 2150 BC,during the first Babylonian dynasty, where the language of writing and administration was still Sumerian.

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The gods An, Enlil, Enki and Ninhursanga create the black-headed people and create comfortable conditions for the animals to live and procreate. Then kingship descends from heaven and the first cities are founded: Eridu, Bad-tibira, Larsa, Sippar, and Shuruppak.

After a missing section in the tablet, we learn that the gods have decided not to save mankind from an impending flood. Zi-ud-sura, the king and gudug priest, learns of this. In the later Akkadian version, Ea, or Enki in Sumerian, the god of the waters, warns the hero (Atra-hasis in this case) and gives him instructions for the ark. This is missing in the Sumerian fragment, but a mention of Enki taking counsel with himself suggests that this is Enki's role in the Sumerian version as well.

When the tablet resumes it is describing the flood. A terrible storm rocks the huge boat for seven days and seven nights, then Utu (the Sun god) appears and Zi-ud-sura creates an opening in the boat, prostrates himself, and sacrifices oxen and sheep.

After another break the text resumes: the flood is apparently over, the animals disembark and Zi-ud-sura prostrates himself before An (sky-god) and Enlil (chief of the gods), who give him eternal life and take him to dwell in Dilmun for "preserving the animals and the seed of mankind".
The remainder of the poem is lost...

... However, the "other part" of Noah's Arc Fairy Tale, ...the Hebrew Bible writer assigned on that Chapter...had a very "Creative Imagination" to finish the whole "SEQUEL" of the "MYTH TALE"...just a "Few" Thousands of Years later...

And YES...Let's get The Record VERY Straight!!


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I grew up catholic. Went to a catholic school, however I dont believe in religon.
I am glad my parents sent me to catholic school, I would do the same for my kids, simply for the morals and education that I was taught.

I have no real evidence one way or another and everything I say is my own personal belief. Dont take it personally. Its not my intention offend you or incite an angry response.

I dont believe in god, heaven, or hell. What evidence has shown is that its human nature to want to feel comforted.
Human beings are very emotional and insecure creatures. Spend a couple days alone and you will immediately feel lonely. People spend theyre lives in abusive relationships because they are too scared to be alone. People join gangs in large part to be apart of a brotherhood and have a second family.

The point is, people go to extreme measures to make themselves feel special.

Why would anyone pray to a god? Do you realize how many perfectly innocent people are hurt, raped and slaughtered everyday? Only a tyrant would stand by and watch that happen. No one is watching over you or protecting you. The greatest strength a person can have, is not to depend on a relationship with jesus to get you by the day but to have the fortitude to know you are the king of your own life and that no matter what comes your way you have the power to overcome all adversity.

The ONLY person you have to answer to is yourself and that should be enough. You do not have to be a "slave" or "follower" of some higher power to have something to live up to or to have someone to answer to. Your OWN standards should be the highest standards that you need to live up to. You are your own master. Never feel that you are anything less.

It really astounds me that people not only believe in god but they also believe that human beings have souls and animals do not. There is no logic behind it. I truly believe it is a form of collective mass insanity. What is it that makes anyone believe we are any different than animals? Take off all your clothes and take a look at yourself in the mirror. You have every part that every other warm blooded mammal has. Open your eyes. We are animals. We have such a long ways to go as a species. We have a lot of growing up to do.

I normally avoid religion talk, anything I say wont change the culture, only time and evolution as a species will do that. I also dont go around telling little children the tooth fairy isnt real. My own mother is a devout christian, I have no intention of convincing her otherwise.


As far as free energy goes, I believe its a certainty that it exists. As a species once again we show our collective insanity by actually believing we have laws on physics.
We know so little that we dont even know...how much we dont know. Not only will energy one day be produced for free, there will be a day when we no longer need a cut down a tree to get wood, or dig in the dirt to get gold. Human evolution may have been advanced by ETs but we were never slaves to them.
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The Oldest Religious "TEXTS" that We ALL "should" know about...are ...

THE SUMERIAN TEXTS


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George Merkl did extensive research about the Sumerians and their advanced technology.

George Merkl -- Chondriana & Life Crystals -- Synthrophic Transducer

George Merkl was a maverick within his lab. He often thought "outside the box". Even his methods in the lab were "outside of the box." It has been stated that George was light years ahead in his way of thinking. That kind of thinking is what led his intuition in the directions he went, which finally led him to the rediscovery of the Sumerian Technology from 7000 years ago. We were left with a legacy of technology it seems.

The Sumerians were a culture, which had scientists and was of an advanced nature. They certainly had the potential to view subatomic particles, which meant they had devices and instrumentation for accomplishing this feat. They knew how to scan molecules and atoms by "string photon scanning," a term coined by George Merkl. String photon scanning is the viewing of single file non-transverse-wave photons.

Pictured below is George Merkl giving a lecture and explaining the Sumerians left us with educational glyphs explaining their advanced technology. Here he is point out the Sumerians educating about super lattice order. George learned a process to restore life and it was called "Life Crystals". George was heavily attacked and suppressed over this technology and it went to the grave with him.



George developed an advanced fractal technique of taking a dot from a picture and processing it in such a way as to reveal what it represented as a whole. Here he has processed a dot to reveal the crystal beings/people of Mercury.



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Many different people and races in the world have at least verbal recollection of a Flood. Somewhere between 12.000 and 14.000 years ago. Sumerian texts or tablets were from an era after the Flood. The sunken continent of Pan in the Pacific ocean where the Hawaiian Islands, Easter Island, Australia, are practically the only remnants left of this original submerged continent. There are no records or tablets, or much of anything left to draw conclusions from. Except clues from things such as the Easter Island megalithic statues, that were found buried up to their necks. There are also several sunken cities found under the ocean waters, in several places in the world that may have been from those times, or later times.
There are people like the Kahunas from Hawaii and others as well, that do recall previous eras, prior to the Flood, as well the as Hopi that still have yearly reunions in Hawaiian Islands, where they mention that they had come from, and migrated from originally, being their mother land at one time.
The Yellow and Red races may have had little or nothing to do with Ur, and Mesopotania. They have different histories and back grounds, and hydridezations, but may have all originated from the sunken continent in the Pacific and migrated in many boats, or Arks (not just one), to the different areas of the world to populate them. And have been mixed with several different alien races.
The are also many similarities having some things in common, from peoples living in areas very far apart.
Our written history is not "all there is"... There have been several cycles of husbandry on this planet. Not to mention other planets containing human like life forms, and mixes of animal to human DNA, or angelic to human DNA.
We can not know what we have not way of knowing, but our planets fragmented history may reveal itself to us after all, by those that do know, As there are beings and records that are older than this Earths few thousand years of written or unwritten history.
Exciting times ahead.
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I do appreciate anyone that actually reads their Bible, so God Bless you brother for keeping and trying to understand God's Word.

Please look into keeping with the KJV Bible as Gail Riplinger has pointed out.

Please consider my view here on your comment on your interpretation of Genesis. If what you said was true, then the Bible is lying.

If he created Adam on the 3rd day, then the Bible was lying when God said Adam was created on the 6th day. This can not

be true if the Bible is the Word of God. As you know, no one was around except the Godhead at creation - so Genesis was dictated

to Adam from God Himself.



Logos, were you aware that 1) Genesis was written by at least 10 different authors and 2) when in Genesis it says "These are the

generations" - that is the signing off of one author and the start of the next?

Verse 5 is the next author (Adam in this case) going back to Day 3. Verse 7 is Day 6. It has to be this way else the Bible is in

contradiction.



There was definitely a advance technology before the great Flood. I do personally believe that God made other life forms on other

planets but I can't support that idea from the Bible.

I am confused, are you saying they did worship "gods", but these were just men (probably using demonic forces) and not aliens.

Well, we're in total agreement if this is the case.

After the Flood, all land animals & people on earth died. So if there were any weird hybrids or whatever, they all died unless on the

ark. But of course, demons didn't die and they went right to work after the Flood - look at the tower of Babel.

I don't see us in disagreement except the 3rd day creation of man.

Have you ever studied Kent Hovind's work? He does a great job on explaining the scientific side of pre-flood creation. Check out

his work if you haven't.

Also, I think Jonathan Gray also has a lot of great work out there worth looking into. He covers a lot of "hidden" technology.

Keep up your search for truth Logos!

God Bless
thanks for your comments again Silvertogold, and everybody here. i really appreciate all the debate happening.


firstly, i took some of this information to lots of "learned" religious types, asked them to overlook it, critique it, and tell me if my theories don't add up biblically. it's been 9 months and no word from them. i've followed up with them too and they said that they found nothing.


in regards to the bible actually stating that adam was created on the sixth day, i did a keyword search using the KJV as you requested silver.



http://http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?

search=adam&searchtype=phrase&version1=9&language1 =en&spanbegin=1&spanend=73&startnumber=26



the word adam shows up in 27 different verses of the bible, not one actually stating that he was created on the 6th day. if there was


such a reference then yes i'd put my tail/tale between my legs and apologize for my mistake. the truth is i never checked it this way until now. so thanks


i have stopped using other people's interpretations of things long ago to advance or guide my own studies simply because that i believe the bible, if TRULY inspired by god, is perfectly capable and complete and should hold all the answers in itself. so i am not going to address other people's findings on this thread. i am not looking to pick a fight with anyone either i have as of yet, found NO contradictions in the biblical texts, nor do i expect to find any other than purposely altered bits of translation.


and just fyi, the greek orthodox church recognizes the book of enoch as cannonical text i.e. inspired by god. i will get into a theory of mine in regards to the essenes at a later date.


to help my theory along, using biblical text, i found another glitch in the matrix which i will now share with you all. my theory is as such:


there are 9 (there's one of those numbers again!) generations from adam to lamech (the father of noah) that lived through the creation until the deluge, noah being the next "first" father of the world after the flood!


so please keep in mind if you will, the biblical context of the bibles record of genesis chapter 6 in reference to the state of things on the planet, these being perhaps the direct events that led to the flood.


if we take the genesis book as an "accurate" historical record, (for the non-believers bare with me!) then there should be a cross reference showing that there is a hidden/evil force still at work throughout the texts.


now this part is really cool!


according to the bible, the nephilim/giants were created by the sons of god ("angels" turned bad guys) mating with the daughters of men . (genesis 6) some believe that this is a reference to genetic manipulation and there is a very sound base for this.


so by all accounts, there should be not one trace of any of these beings after the flood. but the COOLEST thing is that the bible ACTUALLY states WHO the sons of god were! or at least, what they were known as!


fast forward to the generation of moses.

in the book of numbers 13:33(there's those numbers yet again!) when the israelites returned from a scouting mission, they reported that they saw the Nephilim/ Giants there! this is about 1000 years AFTER the deluge! and WHO were the nephilim? the israelites refer to them as the descendants of ANAK! (ANNUNAKI?!?!?!)

Numbers 13 (KJV is actually a MUCH BETTER translation here thanks silver )

25 And they returned from searching of the land after forty days.

26 And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran, to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and shewed them the fruit of the land.

27 And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this is the fruit of it.

28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.

29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.

30 And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.

31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.

32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

so how the heck did these giants survive the deluge? the bible says that everything was wiped out! (genesis 7:21-23) the only REAL logical answer is that the Anak/ anunaki restarted there genetic modification programs (probably in the area of sumeria) after the earth was repopulated!

can we find any more evidence in the bible to help support the influence of angels/fallen angels on man?


yes we can!


let's scoot to the new testament!


the letter to the hebrews is believed by scholars to probably have been written by the apostle paul although for some reason, he never states his name in the letter unlike all his other letters found in cannonical text.


regardless though, the MAIN issues that are talked about and referenced in the letters to the hebrews is first and foremost angels!

why? well if we follow the OT which is the story of the nation of israel then it would be obvious that there teachings were based on there interactions with the angels from days of old! it was a HUGE issue to them because their laws and decrees were passed to them by prophets and angels! so it was harder for them to grasp a lot of the facts about the messiah's teachings!

there are about 290 references to the word "angel" in the bible. many of these references refer to angel in the singular form, i.e. angel of the lord, angel of death, angel of light, etc. however there are about 90 references to "angels" (plural) most (not all) refering to them as a "species" of sorts, and 13 of these references are found in the letter to the hebrews.

what is an angel?

Hebrews 1:14
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

so keep sharp people, the enemy has never been far away at all!
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Really?

It "happens" that The Bible (New Testament) was written in an Age defined by A.D (Latin: Anno Domini-NOT "After Death" like some say...In "English Language"...Nope...the predominating Language for Millennium was Latin...not English..sorry.)

Hebrew Bible: Psalms[citation needed] (according to late dating) Book of Ezekiel, Book of Daniel (according to conservative or early dating)
6th century BC

New Testament was written in the First Century of A.D.
1st Century AD



Now, Thousands of Years before the "Point" "A.D."...was the "B.C."...And it happens that B.C. Dates back to 8 CENTURIES...and , since We, here are "most" very good at math...should know that each century contains...100 years... , BUT before that...were "The Ages" denominations...and each Age lasted from 300 up to 600 years...So guys...please "Add Up"...

We should say The Oldest "TEXT" in Our History...On Planet Earth and not books...just because, some Text was written in Architectural Structures, that based on pretty accurate Scientific tests, dates back to more than "just" 6,000 years ago...like the Egyptian Pyramids...and many others.

The Oldest Religious "TEXTS" that We ALL "should" know about...are ...

THE SUMERIAN TEXTS


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small correction here brother...

the bible was not "written" in AD. it was started to be compounded together at the council of nicene i believe in the 3rd cetury by the "Church leaders" and they decided what would be "doctrine" i.e. inspired by god!?!? and what was not!

btw i LOVE your analysis on the timeline of ancient texts! can you please send me your references so that i can have them too!
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