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Old 08-14-2012, 01:05 AM
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Alexkor Air Core Coil Radiant Charger

Hi folks, this radiant charger is working so well and is cheap to make, thought i would start a thread for it.
Has anyone tried this setup.
Hi folks, I am trying different circuits that i see in some of patrick kellys pdfs, etc. and I am having good results with alexkor's air core coil radiant charger.
I made the air core coil (24awg.) with twice as many turns as i should have though and will make another one with the recommended turns.
Using a nte2300 fast switching npn with 1.5kohm base resistor and a .1uf capacitor across base resistor.
I initially was using a nte5817 diode and results were not that great, then i took a couple of salvaged her303 diodes, placed them in series and the charging output increased dramatically, though the input doubled to 250 milliamps, not completely sure why.
Using a 12volt, 7ah input to charge another identical battery, though i will try charging a 48 volt battery bank next, as i think it will charge well with this setup.
The coil is one layer on cardboard tube, like the slayer exciters, so the frequency is probably high.
Here is the circuit from kelly's chapter 6 pdf.
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Hi folks, in case anyone is interested, i looked up the specifications for the nte5817 diode i was using, compared to the her303's i am using now as far as max. reverse recovery time.
The nte5817 diode is rated at 2.5us and the her303 is rated at 50ns.
So that is a huge difference in speed, 50 times faster and explains why this air core coil setup is now working so well as alexkor pointed out in his improvement circuit.
And the nte2300 i am using has a max. 400ns fall time, so that helps also.
Your thoughts on this alexkor circuit are appreciated, has anyone built this circuit or intends to as i am very impressed by its performance.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:38 AM
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I took a scan through the Alexkor info in Kelly's book. It indeed looks well worth spending some time with and most of his circuits are quite simple. At the most his 555 timer is the most complex part and those are not hard to work with. Cheap too Have you done any run tests with the charged battery to see if it has real power versus just a higher voltage? If it is really being charged with radiant I believe it can take several times to 'condition' the battery. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Adding it to the 'must try' list.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:40 AM
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Good going

Yes I have bought the parts to try this also.
Its great to hear you are happy
Maybe try starting with 2 batteries nearly flat and swap them from supply to load until they are both full then you are sure of O/U.
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:47 AM
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Hi ewizard, thanks for the reply.
All the batteries i have, have been consistently charged with radiant energy, same with the ones I'm testing with this circuit.
So far the charge seems solid, as far as radiant goes.
Though, i am running charge discharge cycles to see how long the batteries will power a reasonable load compared to input, etc. testing AA's and the SLA 12 volt batteries.
I'm more surprised that this type of coil even charges this well, though the frequency is very high, so that is part of the reason i would imagine.
A single AA nimh 2000mah under charge using this circuit draws 140 miiliamps from my 13.8 volt power supply and the 12volt, 7ah SLA draws 250 milliamps.
I look forward to your results.
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edit: Hi gsmsslsb, thanks for the reply and the kind words and information to try. I have no idea how efficient the circuit really is yet, though it does seem good.
edit: wanted to add that i made my coil twice as many turns as alexkor did, mine is 4 ohms, 24awg wire, where as his is 2 ohms, i plan to make another coil half the size so it is identical to his.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:54 AM
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Hi Skywatcher - sounds pretty good. I'm fairly familiar with AA NiMH charging times using a Maha charger where you set the charge rate you want. I usually charge a 2000 mah battery at 1000 mah. Depending on how far discharged they were it can take from an hour or two to several hours. Just curious with the 140 mah draw about how long it takes to charge yours with the Alexkor setup.

Can you tell me your source for the MJE13009 and the NTE5817? I found the diode but a bit expensive from my usual source and the transistor didn't show up at all from them. Thanks !
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Hi ewizard, thanks for the reply.
The charge times for a single AA nimh 2000mah are not looking very good, 6 hours at 13.8volt,140milliamp input, though I'm sure that could be tuned for better efficiency.
Then again, these AA cells i am using, may not be fully conditioned properly to take this charge well.
I will be making more tweaks to see if i can improve the efficiency.
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edit: also, while I'm testing this circuit, I'm working on a bob boyce/yohan variant with the toroid and 3 coils at 120 degrees.
Going to try it with three separate bifilar coils using joule thief circuit for each one, signal transistors to start with, 2n4403 or the KSA928A transistors i salvaged.
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Hi folks, I finished a charge-discharge cycle with the 2-AA's with a known led flashlight load and it ran the full 3 hours that the flashlight normally lasts for when charging the cells from a standard charger, so it is definitely a solid charge, the next step is to make it more efficient if possible.
What is interesting, is that normally with other radiant chargers i have built and of course the standard wall charger, the cells become warm when charge is almost complete, though with this setup, there is no heat noticeable in the AA nimh cells.
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I need the Parts list for Alexkor circuit

I need the Parts list for Alexkor circuit which is the same as the one you mentioned in this thread. Please send me one copy to irdex@hotmail.com

Note:
Alexkor circuit only mentioned that a 2700 pf capacitor is needed but it doesn't specify what types of capacitor to be needed. I'm quite confused. When I search for the text "2700 pf capacitor", eBay return the following 9 results:

1. Philips Metallized Film Capacitor 2700pF 250V

2. 2700pf/500V Silver Mica Capacitor

3. 2700pF 15KV DC High Voltage Ceramic Disc Capacitor

4. CAPACITOR 2700PF 2000V

5. Panasonic Polyester Film Capacitor
2700pF 50V 5% ECQ-B

6. Yaego MLCC Capacitor 2700pF 50V 0402 X7R C0402KRX7R9BB272

7. Philips Metallized Film Capacitor 2700pF 250V

8. 2700pf ploy capacitor

9. 2700PF 500V 5% SILVER MICA AUDIO CAPACITOR CMR06F272JODM -JAN SANG NOS

which one should I purchase for the Alexkor circuit.

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For the 12V 8-amp-hour battery, I search for "12v 8 amp hour battery" on ebay and ebay returns 6 results as follow:

1. 12 Volt 8 Amp Hour Replaces 12v 7ah SLA Battery. SLA1075 Power Patrol Battery.

2. 2PK 12VOLT 8AMP HOUR RECHARGEABLE SEALED 12V 8AH BATTERY W 6 & 12V 110AC CHARGER

3. 12 VOLT 8AMP HOUR RECHARGEABLE SEALED BACKUP ALARM TOYS LIGHTS 12V 8AH BATTERY

4. UPG 12VOLT 8AMP HOUR RECHARGEABLE SEALED BACKUP ALARM TOYS LIGHTS 12V 8AH BATTER

5. 12VOLT 8AMP HOUR RECHARGEABLE SEALED LEAD ACID ALARM LIGHTS 12V 8AH BATTERY

6. 12VOLT 8AMP HOUR RECHARGEABLE SEALED 12V 8AH BATTERY W 110VAC WALLCHARGER


which one should I choose? (is sealed lead acid battery the best?)


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Four 12V 12AHr battery are needed for the Alexkor circuit, I found the batteries needed on ebay. Is the following item the one for being the 12V 12AHr battery (total 4 battery is needed) for the Alexkor Circuit?

ITEM: eBay: 12 Volt 12 Amp Hour High Quality Rechargable SLA Battery BSL1105 12v 12ah.

What types of diode I should buy on ebay for the Alexkor circuit (the first one not the advanced Alexkor circuit), can you do me a favor by searching on ebay and give the result for the diode? Also, how about the neon and 2000ohm resistor? Search for me on ebay and sent me the result. Thanks
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Lastly, I want to asked how about earthing on Alexkor circuit? Does Alexkor circuit need earthing for electrical safety to protect me from electric shock from electric leakage of Alexkor circuit? Or the Alexkor circuit is safe enough that no earthing is needed for Alexkor circuit?


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Old 08-15-2012, 04:32 PM
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Hi ewizard, thanks for the reply.
The charge times for a single AA nimh 2000mah are not looking very good, 6 hours at 13.8volt,140milliamp input, though I'm sure that could be tuned for better efficiency.
Then again, these AA cells i am using, may not be fully conditioned properly to take this charge well.
I will be making more tweaks to see if i can improve the efficiency.
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edit: also, while I'm testing this circuit, I'm working on a bob boyce/yohan variant with the toroid and 3 coils at 120 degrees.
Going to try it with three separate bifilar coils using joule thief circuit for each one, signal transistors to start with, 2n4403 or the KSA928A transistors i salvaged.
Actually that seems pretty good for just 140 ma input. I wonder if you can reduce the input voltage. Not sure what's needed for the transistor and for neon to fire. For charging AA's though if it would run at a lower voltage that would be even more impressive.

holtage, You sent me a PM but sorry I'm just getting familiar with the Alexkor so maybe Skywatcher or someone else can answer your questions better. I'm not up to speed on it to be giving any good answers.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:56 PM
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Hi ewizard, thanks for the reply, I'll try lower voltage for charging the AA's.
Hi holtage, i just used whatever parts i had on hand and also whatever worked ok in the circuit i have built.
I used a metal film capacitor, 50volt-.1uf, from R.S.
My diodes were salvaged from something, don't remember what now, though they are 200v-fast switching, 3A/125A peak, 50ns recovery time.
I would not use slower diodes in this setup, as they will not give you very good charging.
I have 12volt-7ah SLA's.
Got my neon from R.S. awhile back.
This particular alexkor circuit does not use earth grounding as far as i am aware, though i did notice another circuit design he has that does, in the pdf.
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Hi folks, just wanted to let you folks know, that i made a mistake when i said my air core coil is 4 ohms, each strand of the bifilar is actually 1.5 ohms, so that is what the input battery sees as ohms.
What I have found with this air coil, is that it really is nice at desulfating the battery and probably could be more efficient with better base resistor and cap tuning.
I am going to try a different coil for a few tests, it has the brooks coil geometry, plastic roll from the R.S. magnet wire 3 packs.
Again 24 awg. bifilar, though this one has 3.7 ohms per strand, so more wire and more compact and i believe from past tests with this coil, it self oscillates without any capacitor across base, though we will see tomorrow.
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Answer me........

Do the 12Volts 12 Amp hour battery you used are also SLA(Sealed Lead Acid) battery ?

What does "R.S." mean?

3. What resistor you used for the 2K ohm resistor of the alexkor circuit?

4. You said you use metal film capacitor 50 volt. But the Alexkor circuit document say that a capacitor of 2700 pf is needed. Why you use a capacitor of 50 volt instead?

5. Can you do me a favor by by giving the ebay webpage result address of each components of the parts list of the Alexkor circuit you used before/you supposed to the most suitable/ideal materials for the parts list?
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Hi holtage, I just used what parts and salvaged parts I had on hand.
R.S. is radio shack.
I used the R.S. .1uf-50 volt capacitor because it caused my coil to oscillate nicely, your coil and setup may vary due to differences.
I used a 1.5kohm base resistor, because that is the closest single value i had on hand.
I have been making more tests with this single layer air coil, it seems to be charging non-rechargeable alkaline AA cells very well.
I powered an led flashlight i used in other tests for almost 4 hours charged by this air coil setup.
Interestingly, the AA cells never became warm under load, as they normally do in this flashlight, of course the load caused a more severe voltage drop, since the alkalines cannot handle such a high load for longer periods like nimh AA cells can, which have a more flat discharge curve.
I am using a wallwart to power this setup now, it shows input, 4.5 volts under load at 74 milliamps, by measuring voltage drop across 1 ohm resistor.
I checked radiant flyback output also with 1 ohm voltage drop method and it showed 64 milliamps at 64 millivolts drop.
Of course, high voltage spikes enter battery to charge it radiantly and all cells and batteries stay stone cold.
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edit: i should state that the led flashlight load i used on these alkalines, normally draws around 420 milliamps with the 2 AA cells in series and as that load causes the voltage to drop on the alkalines, the current tapers off to around 190 milliamps at around the 4 hour discharge time period.
Though I am probably discharging these AA alkalines to low, since they were at just above 1 volt each after the discharge test.
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Hi folks, here is the led flashlight I am using as a discharge load for the 2-AA alkaline cells, it has 12 leds.
And to the right, is the rayovac type alkaline AA cells i am successfully recharging with this circuit setup.
I think these cells really prefer this high frequency pulsing, as they stay cold as ice and so far, seem to be taking the charge really well, without any signs or symptoms, that they will leak anytime soon, which is normally a problem with all other chargers I've built and tested.
Your thoughts are welcome, has anyone else successfully charged alkalines or other non-rechargeable cells, thanks.


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And to the right, is the rayovac type alkaline AA cells i am successfully recharging with this circuit setup.
That seems like a useful circuit. Do you have several AA cells in series for charging? If so how many? If you have a scope it would be good to document the pulse voltage you are using to charge the AA cells. You basically have a Joule thief circuit, so I suspect that maybe many Joule thiefs could be used to do the same thing. You can check to see how fully charged the AA battery is by putting a resistor of a few ohms across the battery and measuring the time it takes the voltage to drop to 0.8 volts. This is the standard low voltage used when calculating the mah printed on the battery.
Approximate mah = (hours) x (1000) / (ohms)
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Hi xee2, thanks for the reply.
I was charging 2 AA's in series, though i wanted to speed up the charging a bit, so only charging one at a time for now.
The non-rechargeables seem to like only a few volts over the voltage to be charged, as any higher and the voltage shoots up too quickly on the charge batteries, I'm guessing because of the impedance of the cell, though still making tests to fully determine things like this.
Don't have a scope.
This is a joule thief, with the capacitor across base, to get it to oscillate with such a low inductance air coil.
Though maybe their is a difference between the radiant pulses of air coil, compared to using a core, though certainly the much higher frequency of this one layer air coil is different than most joule thiefs charging effects.
All the cells and batteries stay cold.
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2 AA alkaline battery/cell

hi, skywatcher. The alexkor circuit do not mention about AA alkaline cells. So why you use the 2 AA alkaline batteries? What are they used for? The alexkor does not require alkaline batteries to function. Please explain.
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Hi holtage, thanks for the reply.
I read about it somewhere, though many people including myself, have charged alkalines, etc. with joule thief circuits successfully in the past.
Only thing new to me, is using an air core coil joule thief like this one to do it and it seems the non-rechargeable alkalines really take this air coil charge well, maybe because the high frequency and/or short pulse width on time.
I am charging each AA alkaline to 1.8 volts, then when disconnected, it settles down to around between 1.5 to 1.6 volts.
I will be making many charge/discharge cycles with these 2 AA alkalines, to see how reliable this charging circuit is for them.
As this would be very valuable, considering the cost of nimh rechargeable cells, compared to alkalines, etc.
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edit: here is an example thread from awhile ago.
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I've got an alkaline battery charger and in the past they were making 'rechargeable' alkalines with a special charger. However as some people figured out they made it in a way that normal alkalines wouldn't quite fit in that charger without modification. But with a little mod you could recharge regular alkalines so you didn't have to buy their more expensive 'rechargeable' alkalines which I suspect were just regular ones relabeled and made with a larger positive cap so they would fit in the charger. Someone figured all that out and came out with a universal alkaline charger that was sold through Sharper Image. It worked fine. But alkalines only were good for recharging if they weren't used in heavy amp draw devices and if they weren't run down too low. Even then they seemed to be good for not much more than about 10 recharge cycles. So yes you can to some extent recharge alkalines. Maybe if this is radiant it will work even better.
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Hi ewizard, thanks for the reply.
Yes, my tests in the past showed similar things, like not having many recharge cycles, though I am testing this radiant circuit to see if it changes anything, you never know.
Either way, if this may squeeze out a few extra decent recharge cycles, it has great value in my view.
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Hi, skywatcher! Can Alexkor circuit power an air conditioner?
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Hi holtage, thanks for reply.
I don't even have an air conditioner here in illinois, unless one considers a fan air conditioning, so it is definitely not a basic need, more of a luxury.
Though, I am sure anything scaled up enough, could power anything.
Though, if you mean, can this charge batteries, to then power an air conditioner, I don't see why not, use your imagination.
I am still on the second charge cycle testing these alkalines.
Are you testing a circuit like this or anything similar.
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Hi folks, I finished a 3rd recharge cycle of the alkalines and I used a 10 ohm resistor load to discharge the 2 AA's in series.
The resistor load ran for 4 hours at an average of .5 watts.
So around 2 watt/hours.
Each of these AA alkalines are typically rated for around 2000mah or 2.4watt/hours.
While this is useful to power loads for shorter duration, I cannot say without more recharge cycles, how long that capacity would last.
So I will continue with using SLA's and nimh, etc. for charging tests.
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Hi folks, I finished a 3rd recharge cycle of the alkalines and I used a 10 ohm resistor load to discharge the 2 AA's in series.
The resistor load ran for 4 hours at an average of .5 watts.
So around 2 watt/hours.
Each of these AA alkalines are typically rated for around 2000mah or 2.4watt/hours.
While this is useful to power loads for shorter duration, I cannot say without more recharge cycles, how long that capacity would last.
So I will continue with using SLA's and nimh, etc. for charging tests.
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Hi SKYWATCHER i have designed and built my own radiant chargers in the last couple of years so have some insite to your work on AA battery recharging. They prefer high freq as you have found out ,i to have had them leak but only inside of alum case flashlight i have powered with them , plastic dosen't have that problem .What is the cause? I don't know, just thought i would mention it to see if you saw the same thing. My design uses 24vdc @0.138 A to charge 12 vdc worth of AA cells at once that"s 3.31 watts more or less takes about 16 hrs to complete the charge and they are brighter than new ones , but it takes several recharge cycles to condition them . I don't buy batts anymore just take all of the discarded ones for other people and recharge them , have some that are more than two years old and are fine and still working good. You can also recharge lithium ions , they seem to like the radiant energy , non of my batts every get even warm . My design uses a rodin coil 8 inches in dia and 50 turns
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Hi jdove, thanks for the nice reply and good information and pics.
Yes, I can affirm, when the primary non-rechargeable alkaline C size cells leaked in the past, they were used in an aluminum casing flashlight.
Hmm, so your saying these may need more recharge cycles for conditioning purposes, I will make more recharge cycles then, since they do seem to be attaining a higher and higher standing voltage with each cycle.
I also notice, that if I give the AA cells a rest while charging, then continue later, they seem to like that also.
It seems the alkalines don't like to be pushed, they need to be charged gently and slowly in their own time.
What kind of watt/hour durations have you seen from your alkaline tests compared to the original specifications, thanks again.
Thanks for the interest.
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Hi, skywatcher! You said "Though, if you mean, can this charge batteries, to then power an air conditioner, I don't see why not, use your imagination."

But my english is not very good, what does the phrase"I don't see why not" mean? I can't get what you say. Please use simpler english to said the meaning of "I don't see why not".
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Hi holtage,to answer your question.
I am stating my opinion, that this radiant charger could charge batteries and then power an air conditioner.
What do you intend to do with this circuit.
Charge batteries or power a device like an air conditioner, directly?
Myself, I am just charging batteries at the moment, to see how these air core coils perform.
I hope that english is simple enough, as i do not know how to make it more simple.
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Hi jdove, thanks for the nice reply and good information and pics.
Yes, I can affirm, when the primary non-rechargeable alkaline C size cells leaked in the past, they were used in an aluminum casing flashlight.
Hmm, so your saying these may need more recharge cycles for conditioning purposes, I will make more recharge cycles then, since they do seem to be attaining a higher and higher standing voltage with each cycle.
I also notice, that if I give the AA cells a rest while charging, then continue later, they seem to like that also.
It seems the alkalines don't like to be pushed, they need to be charged gently and slowly in their own time.
What kind of watt/hour durations have you seen from your alkaline tests compared to the original specifications, thanks again.
Thanks for the interest.
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I haven't really done any watt hr durations tests just notice that they seem to last longer and obtain a higher charge each time i recharge them. I got into the battery recharger work as an of shoot of my ed leedsklin experiments because a very small pmh unit i built shocked my quiet a bit and i thought that energy must be of some use , but i came to understand that it really is the same thing as a tesla coil is doing . So now my tesla designs are really only an amped up version of the battery charger devices, i am working on a reverse version of the tesla coil battery charger device hope to finish it soon but each device gets more complex and in depth in design. The device i gave u pics of took me two months to build , this new one is at seven and counting. Well sorry to ramble on , nice to talk to you .

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Hi, skywatcher! You said "Though, if you mean, can this charge batteries, to then power an air conditioner, I don't see why not, use your imagination."

But my english is not very good, what does the phrase"I don't see why not" mean? I can't get what you say. Please use simpler english to said the meaning of "I don't see why not".
I'll just add a bit to possibly clarify things. This is just my opinion and Skywatcher has more experience with this but I think he is saying that it is possible to power an air conditioner BUT since air conditioners use a LOT of power it would likely take a lot of scaling up (meaning probably a lot higher expense to build) to get enough power to run an air conditioner. That again is just my guess. So what I'm saying is I don't think you can expect to run a big air conditioner using the same components shown here. It would take a lot more or higher power components and bigger coils probably to put out that much power. If I'm wrong I'm sure Skywatcher will let you know.
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Hi folks, Hi jdove, thanks for the reply.
Ok, that is good to know, i will make more recharge tests and see what happens with these alkalines, for better or worse.
Hi ewizard, yes, that is what i meant, then again, this circuit still could work and charge batteries and power an A.C. unit, it would just take awhile and probably not be very practical unless scaled up in power.
Then again, maybe some other form of more efficient air conditioning might be used, like evaporative cooling, where only a blower fan is needed.
I have a thought to build a larger one of these single layer bifilar air core coils, like the size of some of the large slayer towers, bifilar of course.
Though the frequency will probably lower a bit, would be interesting to see the effects of such a large tower coil.
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