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Could we make something that feeds a low impedance directly and still works o.u. ?
I do not think we could do this per say. When we connect a high impedance to a low impedance, the low impedance effectively acts as a dead short to the high impedance. Thus any energy in the high impedance source would be quickly dissipated, lost or otherwise negatively effected. Thus we use matching transformers.

The extra coil is very much an impedance matching transformer, between the high impedance of the Secondary coil, and the low impedance of the Earth, in Wardenclyffe's case anyway.

If we assume the drawing you link is accurate, you can note that connecting coils in parallel ( say 4 coils ) is an excellent means of further reducing impedance.
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If we assume the drawing you link is accurate, you can note that connecting coils in parallel ( say 4 coils ) is an excellent means of further reducing impedance.
The drawing on the left is from a patent, the one on the right is from the 'rare notes'.
These are NOT equal for a number of reasons. The main reasons being:
- the patent drawing does not have the 'plasma' connection
- the patent drawing has no indication that the supports are conducting. In fact, if you read the accompanying text, you will find these are insulating supports.

There is another important key that you should note about those 4 parallel coils; The outer 2 have less windings than the inner 2 (17 vs 20). This is a means of creating 2 frequencies in this system that are relatively close to eachother. These 2 frequencies generate a low frequency beat.

It is obvious from all Wardenclyffe designs that Tesla was trying to generate a low frequency signal in some way or another. The final design does so in a very beautiful way.
It is a relaxation oscillator.

In a number of documents you will read that the magnifying transmitter basically is a freely vibrating secondary, with a high induction and low resistance. (Tesla in 1905, if I remember correctly. If necessary I can supply a full quote)

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The uneven coils were discussed by the Corum brothers years ago and they claimed that uneveness could generate
those fireballs talked about in the patent. So i thought to avoid unevenesses in the coils. I think in practice one always
has a few cycles off beat. So in practice i think must builts will work ?

Another thing. I was experimenting with a Tesla plasma globe toy. I had made a wire on the circuit board minus and
in the other hand a screwdriver to draw a spark from the glass. It was an intens spark from an only 4 watts adapter input.
But the glass melted at the sparkpoint and a strange shock went thru and thru me. I mean a strange shock. And i'm used
to shocks in my hobby. That shock felt very different than direct from that h.v. tranformer inside.
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Wardenclyffe, The Unknowable

1) Nikola Tesla constructed the Wardenclyffe installation with the intent of establishing a Telluric transmitter site. J.P. Morgain gave 150,000 dollars into this project, expecting a basic Telluric telegraph link between the new and old worlds. Tesla failed to produce this system but instead he spent Morgans money on further experiment. The rest is history.

Nikola Tesla had many fascinating ideas in his mind, and thereby utilized the Wardenclyffe facility for a wide variety of experiments. We will never know the full extent of Tesla's ideas. Hence, in this regard the "Wardenclyffe Idea" is unknowable, like the inside of the sun, or God. Wardenclyffe as an idea is an enigma.

It is a characteristic of the human mind that when looking into the unknowable, the mind forms a projected image of itself upon the edifice of the unknowable. Verily this is a rampant condition on the EG forum. Wardenclyffe is now a myriad of projected phantasies. The Wardenclyffe tower of Babylon.

However, to the experienced transmission engineer the Wardenclyffe transmission station is a basic, engineerable, Telluric transmission system. This is evidenced by the massive Telluric terminal which served as the "roots" of the tower structure transformer. As a transmission engineer I see the ability for commercial, or military application, hence RCA Bolinas. Telluric transmission is an engineerable reality, there is no Art Bell.

The Telluric system as visualized by Nikola Tesla is very basic. Tesla, through various statements, provides most of the important principles necessary to achieve a working system. This system would serve as a sort of Non-Maxwellian transmission medium, for maritime and naval applications.

With the existence of such a system more detailed understanding can be gained through scientific observation. This is what I propose for the Wardenclyffe of today, now ready to be cleaned up and put into Telluric transmission service. Fat chance that will ever happen. I am explaining why on the other EG forum Wardenclyffe channel. These will be my final writings on the EG forum.

It is not in my best interest to provide technical information relating to any project in which I am seeking a commercial, or military, application. To do so is not such a good idea. Further, I have absolutely no interest in providing such information to parties which do not present their findings in a scientific manner. The only scientific work on this subject is that of Dr Green, and a queek calls him a shill. Welcome to the Greyhound Bus depot, Fresno, California. This route ends here.

The "Rite of Passage" into basic Telluric transmission is the Crystal Radio Initiative. The proposition is simple, who can draw the most energy from their local AM broadcast station, free energy as Tesla envisioned. But it is not free for the AM station, your load now appears on their power bill.

Tesla never claimed his Telluric system was a so called free energy development. In fact, his article in Scientific American on the new Van De Graaf generator confirms Tesla's belief in the Law of COnservation as a basic immutable law of nature. So let us dump this idea overboard here and now.

Tesla shows in diagrammatic form, and testifies in COurt that Telluric transmission does not utilize the Earth Ionosphere condenser. We are told of the Earth Ionosphere waveguide, and Schumann Resonance. Not only does this have no meaning in Telluric transmission, the Earth-Ionospher does not even have the proper geometry to support any waveguide mode. This too goes over the side, it can rest with Bin Laden.

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Wardenclyffe, The Unknowable

1) Nikola Tesla constructed the Wardenclyffe installation with the intent of establishing a Telluric transmitter site. J.P. Morgain gave 150,000 dollars into this project, expecting a basic Telluric telegraph link between the new and old worlds. Tesla failed to produce this system but instead he spent Morgans money on further experiment. The rest is history.

Nikola Tesla had many fascinating ideas in his mind, and thereby utilized the Wardenclyffe facility for a wide variety of experiments. We will never know the full extent of Tesla's ideas. Hence, in this regard the "Wardenclyffe Idea" is unknowable, like the inside of the sun, or God. Wardenclyffe as an idea is an enigma.

It is a characteristic of the human mind that when looking into the unknowable, the mind forms a projected image of itself upon the edifice of the unknowable. Verily this is a rampant condition on the EG forum. Wardenclyffe is now a myriad of projected phantasies. The Wardenclyffe tower of Babylon.

However, to the experienced transmission engineer the Wardenclyffe transmission station is a basic, engineerable, Telluric transmission system. This is evidenced by the massive Telluric terminal which served as the "roots" of the tower structure transformer. As a transmission engineer I see the ability for commercial, or military application, hence RCA Bolinas. Telluric transmission is an engineerable reality, there is no Art Bell.

The Telluric system as visualized by Nikola Tesla is very basic. Tesla, through various statements, provides most of the important principles necessary to achieve a working system. This system would serve as a sort of Non-Maxwellian transmission medium, for maritime and naval applications.

With the existence of such a system more detailed understanding can be gained through scientific observation. This is what I propose for the Wardenclyffe of today, now ready to be cleaned up and put into Telluric transmission service. Fat chance that will ever happen. I am explaining why on the other EG forum Wardenclyffe channel. These will be my final writings on the EG forum.

It is not in my best interest to provide technical information relating to any project in which I am seeking a commercial, or military, application. To do so is not such a good idea. Further, I have absolutely no interest in providing such information to parties which do not present their findings in a scientific manner. The only scientific work on this subject is that of Dr Green, and a queek calls him a shill. Welcome to the Greyhound Bus depot, Fresno, California. This route ends here.

The "Rite of Passage" into basic Telluric transmission is the Crystal Radio Initiative. The proposition is simple, who can draw the most energy from their local AM broadcast station, free energy as Tesla envisioned. But it is not free for the AM station, your load now appears on their power bill.

Tesla never claimed his Telluric system was a so called free energy development. In fact, his article in Scientific American on the new Van De Graaf generator confirms Tesla's belief in the Law of COnservation as a basic immutable law of nature. So let us dump this idea overboard here and now.

Tesla shows in diagrammatic form, and testifies in COurt that Telluric transmission does not utilize the Earth Ionosphere condenser. We are told of the Earth Ionosphere waveguide, and Schumann Resonance. Not only does this have no meaning in Telluric transmission, the Earth-Ionospher does not even have the proper geometry to support any waveguide mode. This too goes over the side, it can rest with Bin Laden.

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so say we have a 50meter tower with a 1/4 wave stick antenna on top, swr=1:1, effective rms radiated rf power output of 1000 watts at 10 mghz what is the ideal maximum power that one would expect to extract from such a radio station with a crystal radio of whatever size, conditions, parameters etc that you choose to use for the example?

I am just stating a starting point not limiting it to any particular parameters, so if you need more like distance whatever please add in whatever it takes that I may have left out to drive this toward a working solution.

I always like to start with a theoretical ideal target to design toward.
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Hence, in this regard the "Wardenclyffe Idea" is unknowable, like the inside of the sun, or God.
You say this then say:

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to the experienced transmission engineer the Wardenclyffe transmission station is a basic, engineerable, Telluric transmission system.
So basically your saying Wardenclyffe is "unknowable" except to someone who is an "experienced transmission engineer". So by your own admission, your experience in transmission actually gives you no extra ability with which to explain Wardenclyffe. I do not think you nor anyone else, has the real answer. Hence, we have a forum upon which to openly discuss possibilities. Yes, some theories are more fanciful and less grounded in physics than others, but nevertheless all should be open to contribute.

Some feel there is a further component to Tesla's work, which allowed him to utilize some other source of power we are not aware of, so be it. Is your mind so closed that you cannot even consider such an idea? Is it you do not posses enough imagination to think of things outside what is known? Some do not fear to explore the unknown, whereas others seem to prefer the security and stability of staying safe at home beside the fire, with their same old books. I for one am not afraid to consider those ideas which may appear outside science, for who has enough knowledge they can judge which new ideas have merit and which do not. All of science has been one retraction after the next, throughout history. It seems we can be more certain our ideas are always approximates and half truths, then we can be certain we know anything.
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so say we have a 50meter tower with a 1/4 wave stick antenna on top, swr=1:1, effective rms radiated rf power output of 1000 watts at 10 mghz what is the ideal maximum power that one would expect to extract from such a radio station with a crystal radio of whatever size, conditions, parameters etc that you choose to use for the example?

I am just stating a starting point not limiting it to any particular parameters, so if you need more like distance whatever please add in whatever it takes that I may have left out to drive this toward a working solution.

I always like to start with a theoretical ideal target to design toward.
That's actually a good question. But the idea I think is to use AM transmitters in the 1000 to 2000 Kc range. Not a 10 mHz transmitter.

Here's another one.

What would be the minimum grounding array needed for the projected possible
power received ? Any idea of the magnitude of the currents exciting the
receiver at a given distance (perhaps 30 klm) from say a 50 kW 990 kHz
transmitter ?

What would be the amplitude of the voltage fluctuations at that given
distance from the transmitter ?

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As to the "crystal radio initiative".

This seems a joke to me. A contest to see who can get the most power from an AM radio transmitter, which of itself was never designed to transmit usable power, only signal. Most definitely this serves to detract from any real research into an actual power transmission system, rather than teach us anything new. Typical engineers who allow research into anything you like, as long as it stays inside their box of known theory.

This contest seems a further joke to me, because its just a matter of money to win. The one who builds a receiving coil, whose actual dimensions are closest to that of the AM radio transmitter, will receive the most power. However, this requires kilometers of wire. Somehow I think the radio station would frown upon you setting up such a huge coil right next to their tower.

People seem to forget we can have circuits at different scales, which still operate on the same frequencies.
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Your ideas of beat frequencies seem logical to me.
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It also depends greatly on the money and space available for the ground array.
I have acres of land and a tractor, I've built several crystal radios which are
just Tesla coils no outside antenna and they work pretty good, I imagine if I
drill about 50 x 6 foot deep holes and bury a good ground array I could
receive more than a person who uses a single stake in the garden.

Like everything, to go big costs money. Considering the energy is not free, is the expence worth it ?

If an AM transmitter can be received from at 30 klms away then why couldn't
I receive from my ground connected Tesla coil working at 750 Khz with the
receiver at 1/4 WL away ? I can pick up a Morse message on a hand held
radio at a distance, not even ground connected. If it is illegal to that then all
Tesla coil use is also illegal without a licence.

It produces a couple hundred kV but is some way off working in continuous
wave mode, I hope to change that by using a valve (vacuum tube) supply
soon. I can get a break rate of over 1400 BPS with the rotary gap, Q is pretty good too.

Here's a quick test of my terminal for leaks just to see what it can hold how it is.

Power level leak test - YouTube

My old 12 volt solid state setup could be heard on a car radio from klms away
when out of tune.

Cheers

P.S. It's a funny thing being able to do some of these things even though I'm
told by some that I have no idea what I'm doing or talking about.

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Some feel there is a further component to Tesla's work, which allowed him to utilize some other source of power we are not aware of, so be it.
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It is possible, and even probable, that there will be, in time, other resources of energy opened up, of which we have no knowledge now.
"So be it", to what end?

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... I simply went there because in Colorado my system of power transmission was introduced. All around the plants in the mountains, my three-phase system, and the induction motors were employed. All the mines surrounding Cripple Creek and Telluride were operated by them, and I had friends there who were only too delighted to give me all the power I wanted, and not charge anything for it.
There's his power source. What use will thinking "what if" get you, if you can't even make what is known and well described by the inventor himself and get that to work i.e. telephony, and you can't even receive a radio signal of a known frequency from a transmitter of tens of thousands of watts? And yet you propose to utilise some unknown source of energy that isn't even known to exist with a device of which you have no understanding of its operation?

In other words, people propose to pick up where Tesla left off, and do even better than he did, without even going through the same basic learning process that Tesla did. How successful might this endeavour be?
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That's actually a good question. But the idea I think is to use AM transmitters in the 1000 to 2000 Kc range. Not a 10 mHz transmitter.

Here's another one.

What would be the minimum grounding array needed for the projected possible
power received ? Any idea of the magnitude of the currents exciting the
receiver at a given distance (perhaps 30 klm) from say a 50 kW 990 kHz
transmitter ?

What would be the amplitude of the voltage fluctuations at that given
distance from the transmitter ?

Cheers

I am just trying to get a reasonably ideal starting point where how well the ground conducts and the sky match can all be somewhat arbitrary as long as it within obtainable boundaries.

So under those circumstances the freq does not become a large factor, otherwise just scale it to whatever ever freq is desired.

I just want to know what the expected power is that we believe is obtainable from a radio station with a crystal radio.
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i can not get radio or mobile phone recetion here and i can still make alot of energy, the energy does not come from radio stations and will never turn up on their bill energy is in our earth and atmosphere and can be made usable, quoting patients will get us nowhere, either will closed minds
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Let me first say I feel both grateful and sad to read T-Rex's contribution here.
The grateful-part is obvious, I am happy with any well founded contribution here.
But it is sad to read that it is his last contribution to this forum.
I agree with most that he writes, but there are a few points where we have different thoughts.

- US patent 1.119.732: This is a telluric transmission system, NOT the magnifying transmitter. Wardenclyffe WAS a magnifying transmitter. The difference can be seen in the 'rare notes', these show besides a HV-generating system an extra system on one end coupled to the HV-end of the HV-generating system and the other end connected to the ground.

- Now that we have established that the patent and the 'rare notes' show a different system, we must find out which of these did Tesla refer to as a magnifying transmitter.
The answer can be found here:
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This seemingly impossible feat can now be readily performed by any electrician familiar with the design and construction of my "high-potential magnifying transmitter," the most marvelous electrical apparatus of which I have knowledge, enabling the production of effects of unlimited intensities in the earth and its ambient atmosphere. It is, essentially, a freely vibrating secondary circuit of definite length, very high self-induction and small resistance, which has one of its terminals in intimate direct or inductive connection with the ground and the other with an elevated conductor, and upon which the electrical oscillations of a primary or exciting circuit are impressed under conditions of resonance.
This establishes beyond a shadow of doubt that the 'rare notes' show the plans for a magnifying transmitter, and so Wardenclyffe was a magnifying transmitter.
More or less the same lay-out can be found in various experiments in the CSN.

Also one should note the various means of creating a beat frequency in these plans. This seems to be essential to the workings of the magnifying transmitter.

As I have said before on many occasions already, that the 1900 article which describes a method of obtaining energy which I strongly believe is related to Wardenclyffe, and that it seems illogical to build a machine that distributes something with a limited availability, let me now present new evidence that Wardenclyffe should have produced energy.

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The first of these central plants would have been already completed had it not been for unforeseen delays which, fortunately, have nothing to do with its purely technical features. But this loss of time, while vexatious, may, after all, prove to be a blessing in disguise. The best design of which I know has been adopted, and the transmitter will emit a wave complex of total maximum activity of ten million horse-power, one per cent. of which is amply sufficient to "girdle the globe." This enormous rate of energy delivery, approximately twice that of the combined falls of Niagara, is obtainable only by the use of certain artifices, which I shall make known in due course.
I think this is a pretty clear indication. How would he transmit twice the energy of the Niagara falls from Shoreham? Give me 1 good answer to this one and I will drop the idea of Wardenclyffe as a generator of electricity.

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On your video I see what I tried to capture on video in my experiments but could not.
Between 6'00" and 6'20", you see the light still flickering for a while after the power has been shut off. The length of this effect seems to be proportional (to some extend) to the time the power had been switched on. The frequency of this flickering seems to be the same even when different coils are used.
Does anyone have an explanation for this?

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How would he transmit twice the energy of the Niagara falls from Shoreham? Give me 1 good answer to this one and I will drop the idea of Wardenclyffe as a generator of electricity.
I would say via the principle of magnification. You can put more than twice the sun's energy on a certain spot by focusing the scattered light with a magnifying glass. More energy didn't enter the system, it's just a lot more intense where you want it.
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On your video I see what I tried to capture on video in my experiments but could not.
Between 6'00" and 6'20", you see the light still flickering for a while after the power has been shut off. The length of this effect seems to be proportional (to some extend) to the time the power had been switched on. The frequency of this flickering seems to be the same even when different coils are used.
Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Ernst.
I didn't really notice that, one of the reasons I like to show video's in case I
miss stuff. Do you mean the quick flash just after switch off or the slow glow
down of the tube. The quick flash I think is a late spark input to the primary
the glow down I think could be related to the level the phosphorescence
inside the fluro was energized to ( I think it was a bit over driven) or maybe
the drain off of capacitance.

Not sure. just my first impressions.

I do notice a late spark sometimes, the spark gap doesn't have perfect
spacing. Those break rates were only in the order of 800 or 900 BPS I think
1500 BPS sounds pretty neat.

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I would say via the principle of magnification. You can put more than twice the sun's energy on a certain spot by focusing the scattered light with a magnifying glass. More energy didn't enter the system, it's just a lot more intense where you want it.
More energy DID enter the system in this example. You focus the energy caught on the area of the magnifying glass, which is larger than the point that you focus it on and thus it receives more sun light (= energy).
Read the rest of the quoted article and you will see that the Wardenclyffe MT takes 10,000 HP, but emits 10,000,000. The output is 1,000 times the (electrical) input.

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More energy DID enter the system in this example. You focus the energy caught on the area of the magnifying glass, which is larger than the point that you focus it on and thus it receives more sun light (= energy).
It's still the same amount of energy. Now the area surrounding the spot in the middle has less. Hence a lot more intense where you want it, and less intense elsewhere. No more energy, only a relative measurement in the given area. Notice that the magnifying glass causes a shadow.
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It's still the same amount of energy. Now the area surrounding the spot in the middle has less. Hence a lot more intense where you want it, and less intense elsewhere. No more energy, only a relative measurement in the given area. Notice that the magnifying glass causes a shadow.
True, it depends how you look at it.

But how would this apply to Wardenclyffe? How is the 10K HP input 'focussed' into 10M HP output?

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Energy is the same but not the instantaneous power (or activity like Tesla described it). Now to convert instantaneous power to increased energy we have to control the work done in long time and let it attract more energy from external source. It's like winding up a spring which released move a hammer which in the end struck the bell. The small energy in one period of time used to wind up the spring is released in short period of time to struck the bell, but the bell vibrate very long time producing high amplitude sound (then sound amplitude fade)...
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Calculations asked.

Can somebody say how many watts and how long it takes to melt titanium ?
And maybe also from aluminium and stainless steel ?
Enlarge this pic 200% to see the dimensions of them.
With your technical skills this must be an easy task for you.
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Can somebody say how many watts and how long it takes to melt titanium ?
And maybe also from aluminium and stainless steel ?
Enlarge this pic 200% to see the dimensions of them.
With your technical skills this must be an easy task for you.
Easy indeed, if only I knew just how much titanium was melted, how hot the not-melted part had become and how much titanium was involved.
Example:
suppose we had 10 ml titanium of which 1 ml melted and the remainder gained half that temperature.
1 ml titanium is 4.54 gr has reached a temperature of 1940 K. (melting point) starting from 20 C that is a temperature rise of 1647 K. It needs 520 J/K.Kg so that is 3888 J.
9 ml titanium is 40.86 gr has reached an average temperature of 970 K, a rise of 677 K, so 14384 J.
To change to liquid an additional 20.9 KJ/mol is required. 1 mol is 47.867 gr so we have 0.0948 mol requiring 1982 J.
So we need a total of 3888+14384+1982 J = 20255 J.
1 Watt is 1 J/s so if you would apply 20 KW, it would take little over 1 sec. Supposing no energy is lost elsewhere.

You can do the same calculations for other metals and or quantities.

Now, I only wonder how this relates to Wardenclyffe.

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Energy is the same but not the instantaneous power (or activity like Tesla described it). Now to convert instantaneous power to increased energy we have to control the work done in long time and let it attract more energy from external source. It's like winding up a spring which released move a hammer which in the end struck the bell. The small energy in one period of time used to wind up the spring is released in short period of time to struck the bell, but the bell vibrate very long time producing high amplitude sound (then sound amplitude fade)...
To emit a short pulse of say 1 s of 10 M HP, the tower would have to 'charge' for about 20 minutes, meaning that it can not supply any power or information (telephone/telegraph/what have you) during 99.9% of the time. I am sorry but I just can not believe that that is what Tesla had in mind here.

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When you use hammer , do you assume that it hit a nail for as long as 1 second ????
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"So be it?" to what end?

The end is to discover new sources of energy to free humanity from our addiction to fossil fuels and other hazardous sources of power we are dependent on today.

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if you can't even make what is known and well described by the inventor himself and get that to work i.e. telephony, and you can't even receive a radio signal of a known frequency from a transmitter of tens of thousands of watts?
I fully agree you do need background in electrical engineering and a fundamental grasp of electricity in order to make and understand what Tesla was doing. I assure you, I have such a background and yet I am not afraid to consider new ideas either. I once built a 20 KV Tesla coil, the discharge of which I intentionally, without fear or hesitation, stuck my bare finger into. It seems to me, it takes a tremendous amount of faith in ones understanding of Tesla's work, to risk ones life, ignore all teachings of the hazards of electricity, and stick ones finger into a noisy, obviously high voltage arc spraying into the air. Yet here I am. That is faith and trust in ones comprehension of the theory, which few people have.

One thing for certain, is modern electrical science is incomplete, and if you think otherwise you are simple not as well read as you believe. We can use our theory to design amazing complex electrical systems, and yet on the other hand no one can really say "What is Electricity?" Thus physicist and scientist continue to explore new theories and ideas, to change and evolve. What we held as absolute one day, becomes complete falsehood the next.

Tesla was forced to develop his own theory of gravity, because he must have found shortcomings in the current theory of the day, of which he was fully versed and aware. Tesla needed a much broader and all inclusive concept than what he had available, to explain the results of his experiments. The purpose of such a theory is to better understand our Universe and the forces at work there in. If such a theory can lead us to freedom of dependence on fossil fuels, by better understanding the natural sources of energy already at work within, upon and around our Earth, then so be it. We should be open to such possibilities, and not stand firm upon theory which we know is incomplete.

Colorado Springs was powered from the local generators, no one here argues against this. However, in experimenting with this power, it is very likely as Tesla himself states many times, he discovered new and remarkable properties of our Universe, which if applied, would greatly improve the condition of humanity. Interpreting Tesla's work within the bounds of modern electrical theory, only takes from Tesla what is deemed acceptable and true under modern electrical theory. Whenever anyone, Tesla himself included as well, speaks or spoke of things outside this box of acceptable concepts, then the standard and trained response is to ridicule and ignore.

Tesla's Peirce Arrow Electric Car is just such an example, which must be ignored in order to sustain any argument against Tesla's discovery of an alternative energy source.
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To emit a short pulse of say 1 s of 10 M HP, the tower would have to 'charge' for about 20 minutes, meaning that it can not supply any power or information (telephone/telegraph/what have you) during 99.9% of the time. I am sorry but I just can not believe that that is what Tesla had in mind here.

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Had Tesla thought of synchronous reception with replacement of a missing carrier as per an energy efficient SSB transmission, whereupon only timed ERP peaks might be continuously radiated and received by a resonantly tuned circuit capable of generating transducible energy ?
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i can not get radio or mobile phone recetion here and i can still make alot of energy, the energy does not come from radio stations and will never turn up on their bill energy is in our earth and atmosphere and can be made usable, quoting patients will get us nowhere, either will closed minds
Hi Gav,

I wonder how you can make a lot of energy. You happen to have a waterfall near to your house or furnished in solar cells, maybe wind generators? Or you tapped into geothermic energy perhaps.

Thanks, Gyula
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@ boguslaw,
the 1 second was only an example to bring it into a time domain that we can perceive.
The fact is of course that the system is idle for 99.9% of the time.

@ TeslaSecrets,


@ GSM,
I wish I could answer that question. I wish I knew what exactly he had in mind with this project and how he intended to accomplish this. I have some ideas, that I believe are well founded, but until now no proof. The best approach seems to be to just build what he intended to build as good as we can, and see what happens. Yet, this approach too has a good chance to fail as long as we do not understand Tesla's original intention.
My hope, there for is not on immediate success, but on a step-by-step better understanding of the processes involved. And here is the added value of this forum, because we all have been trying things among these lines and we all have our experiences in this field. By sharing our thoughts and combining our efford the chances of success increase dramatically.
This of course requires constructive cooperation and open mindedness.

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"So be it?" to what end?

The end is to discover new sources of energy to free humanity from our addiction to fossil fuels and other hazardous sources of power we are dependent on today.
Is that really what it's about?

How come no one is building or using wind or water turbines, or solar panels, geothermals etc? These are the things Tesla was talking about. He speaks clearly of harnessing the energy of the sun. Why isn't anyone doing it?

That's not against you personally because you're not the only one, but you're the one who brought it up, and the logic makes absolutely no sense. In the meantime you are dependent on fossil fuels, you are ignoring the known sources of free energy, because you are trying to look for free energy?! What's the point of "new" sources of energy if you are not bothering to use what's already there?

If I was a conspiracy weaver then I would say that the oil companies are the ones promoting "Tesla's free energy". It keeps the money rolling in that's for sure.

By all means search for new sources of energy if that's your thing, someone will have to at some point, especially if they continue to ignore the truth, but the nonsense thing about it is refusing to acknowledge existing sources of energy, and continuing to be dependant on fossil fuels anyway. So nothing is being accomplished in the meantime. The whole endeavour is self-defeating.
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