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My last attempt to remove "the noise" around spark gap. First ,let me assure you I didn't thought about thyratrons. I would not put the names here because it would be immediately found by some "bots"

Now, please just open your mind....Tesla is speaking

"This [Fig. 32] is another improvement in that particular device, which was the weakness of the invention and which I tried to eliminate. This device incorporated many spark gaps in series. It had a peculiar feature; namely, through the great number of gaps, I was able, as I have pointed out in my writings, to produce oscillations without even a spark being visible between the knobs. This device is now known in the art as the "quenched spark gap." Professor Wein has formulated a beautiful theory about it, which I understand has netted him the Nobel prize. Wein's theories are admirable. The only trouble is that he has overlooked one very important fact. It is this: If the apparatus is properly designed and operated, there is no use for the quenched gap, for the oscillations are continuous anyway."


"In this form of break [Fig. 33], I changed the atmosphere in which the arc was operating. The atmosphere was mostly hydrogen, and with this device I performed my experiments before the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia and the National Electric Light Association in St. Louis. This has been used by Poulsen and it is now called the "Poulsen arc" and "Poulsen system." But, of course, there is no invention in it. I am on record with prior publications, and besides, the hydrogen does not have any other effect except that it lowers the tension under which the device can operate. It has the disadvantage of producing asymmetrical or distorted waves, and the impulses obtained are not best suited for tuning."

"(...) Owing to the fact that the oil used was a very good insulator, rapidly flowing and of great dielectric strength, these make-and-break points were very close together, and the arcs extremely short. The effects were accordingly more intense. "


Don't you see that it's so simple !? Tesla was searching for a interrupter which could not loose energy and yet capable of switching high power , commonly at high voltage . Do you know why he used magnetic quenching or many spark gaps in series ? Tesla method is resonance. Spark gap is loosing too much energy to let LC circuit to oscillate properly .
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Part 5

This completes the "free energy" part of Wardenclyffe.
There are a few extra things involved, but those are much more easy to discover.
These include: Earth resonance and making the air conductive (to make it easier to give off charge).
Earth resonance has an interesting (and overlooked) feature, which I will explain later.

Hope you enjoyed the show so far.

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That is a good question Gav.
Yet very difficult to answer.
Let's look at our water analogy. Where is that energy coming from?
In the end, it is gravity that performs the work, both in sending the hydrogen up and in making the water run down. But somewhere we managed to let the hydrogen expand from its dense packing in water, making it lighter than air. Then we managed to compress it again into water, which is heavier than air. Also we left the heavy stuff (oxygen) behind and recombined with heavy stuff that was already up there.
To find out where this energy is coming from, we have to study atomic and molecular interactions.
Back to electricity, this gets even worse, we will have to dig into the essence of matter.
I have (re)opened a door, but there is a long road behind this door.

My guess is that the vedas describe it pretty good. This energy is everywhere we just had not yet found the right plug/adapter to get access to it. In Tesla's words:
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Long ago this idea took a powerful hold on the imagination of scientific men, but an efficient means for accomplishing this result could not be devised. The problem was rendered extremely difficult by the extraordinary inertness of the nitrogen, which refuses to combine even with oxygen. But here electricity comes to our aid: the dormant affinities of the element are awakened by an electric current of the proper quality.
This energy is present everywhere in an inert form. But using an electric current we can awaken this dormant element.
some random thoughts:
Moving a mass = performing work, but a wave travels for free.
An electric current requires energy for moving the electrons. Without those electrons you can move it for free, it becomes like a wave. You can add "pseudo charges" without any resistance, creating an inbalance. Nature does not like inbalance and will fill your "pseudo charged cap" with real charges. In a way you have created a vacuum and the outside pressure will fill it up.
Make any sense?
The real, short and to the point answer is: "I don't know".

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re-reading your question.... another answer could be:

energy manifests itself at different levels:
- movement is one of the higher levels
- sound is one step lower
- heat is one step lower again
- chemical bounds, again one step lower
- electricity is near or at the bottom end

It is all the same energy, it is just a different scale and therefor complexity.

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Where do I claim it takes a long time to make?
Yes you're right, you didn't, I do apologise. You didn't say that directly, I was responding to remarks such as these which effectively tell me the same thing:

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I think it will take 4-5 parts like this for the full explanation.
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what are your thoughts?
You could equally say the same thing about a regular mountain, it's not a static object. You forgot about "time".
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Ouch!
Forgot to reply to this one.



The good thing is. I am not subject to US law. And there are another few good things.
As I said before, I am lucky in more than one ways.
About the points you make...
We have thought about #1 too and applied for a patent in a country that does these things relatively quickly. There may be some delay of course, and there probably will be, but that does not really bother us. As said before, the patent is mainly to prevent others from aquiring the right to withhold this from ... erhm.. from us.
But we are facing a huge controlling power with tons of $$$.
They can file a patent tomorrow and pre-date it to 4 years ago. They have the money and the power to do this.
They can draw up laws to prevent us from sticking metal rods in the Earth, if they want.
They have power to win in any case.
But we have more mass.
And that is where your point 2 comes in. It was my intention to put the whole idea out on the internet a.s.a.p. but my sponsor asked me to not rush things. And that is probably a wiser thing. On the other hand, as long as this info stays with a few people, these people are vulnerable. This too must be prevented.
Anyway.... the way you see it unfold now is the way we thought would be best.
As from today people are bound to understand the system very soon and with that our worries are over.

I will try your funnel someday.

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I would be glad to share a solar funnel with you.
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"As said before, the patent is mainly to prevent others from aquiring the right to withhold this from ... erhm.. from us.
But we are facing a huge controlling power with tons of $$$."
Good point! I wish you and all of humanity success as you proceed with caution.
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They can file a patent tomorrow and pre-date it to 4 years ago. They have the money and the power to do this.

They can draw up laws to prevent us from sticking metal rods in the Earth, if they want.
I believe the first stament is not true and the second is not enforceable.

Let us keep a grip on reality.
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the volcano has the same energy weather it is dormant or if it is in its explosive form, still the same amount of energy is there
we can use the dormant volcanos energy, it does not need to be explosive for us to generate energy from it
Are you talking about heat, or something crazy? Heat would be feasible but one should keep in mind the concept of evolution when building things on top of a volcano. There are better options. Unfortunately imaginary lines on maps get in the way of those sort of things. Unless you have a natural heat source in YOUR country then you're having none of this that's over in MY country. The line on the map says so.
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Part 6: response to reactions from the i-net community.

I think the concepts should be pretty clear by now, eventhough many will refuse to believe it.
I hope it will at least spark ( ) more research. (at everybodies own risk, of course)
I will leave it here for a while.


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Yesterday late, I remembered I forgot an important key to this system: Earth Resonance.
I mentioned it a few times but I did not explain how it works yet.
It is a little bit different from what I thought first, and what I believe anyone would think.
But if you understand these first videos, you are bound to figure it out.
Anyway, this is the second time that I planned a small pause in the video releases and later realised that I should do a bit more. I'll see what I can do today.

Someone from another forum (and probably another reality) is asking how I measure HV.
That is actually a very good question because he is doing it wrong.
Tesla mentions that to obtain streamers from a 38 cm (diameter) polished metal sphere, you need 3 million volts to get enough charge density.
This charge density, of course, depends on the surface of the sphere (4 PI r²) and the charge relates to the voltage and capacitance C = Q/V or Q = C V. The capacitance in pF = 1.111 times the diameter in cm. From this you can determine the required charge density to be 28 nC/cm².
So now you need 1 perfect polished sphere and you can calculate at what voltage streamers will start to appear. With this sphere you can calibrate a Tesla coil, and with that you can test other top-loads that you may have and (at a fixed power level) you can measure arcing distance with these top-loads. At a fixed power level and with a fixed top-load you can say that the arcing distance is relative to the voltage, but increasing the power or sharp edges (or radioactive material or ....) increases this distance for the same voltage.
Streamers, as I said before, are an interesting phenomenon. There is an illusion of movement, but there is none. It is like a glass plate breaking, you can see the break (right word?) growing, giving the illusion of something moving inside the glass. But there is no movement. A sharp edge ionises the air, making it conductive and thus creating a point, a bit further away, from which air will ionise. The point where the electric density is strong enough to ionise the air is moving, creating an ionised path, while loosing energy of course. So the more power you supply the longer your streamers will get and once your streamers hit a metal object a current will start flowing (=discharge).
So there is a bit more to it than just measuring the arcing distance.
In the video where he claims 1.2 MV (36 cm discharge at 1 KW), considering the many sharp edges on his top-load and the 1 KW, my estimate would be closer to 300 KV.

Enough said about that. More interesting things to do.

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part 7 and final part on generating electricity in the Wardenclyffe tower.

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remarks and stuff.

Tesla liked to brag about his inventions but the loading never saw. No pictures of lightwalls. I think he couldn't realize his sound theories with the technolgy at the time. Ernst could use a polyester bathtub or something to dump to load in.

Ernst wrote i don't understand that millions of readers don't understand Tesla's writings That should be; i seem the only one who understands Tesla.

Well i thought i had the schematic right, but the circuit doesn't deliver a watt extra. Could you repair it ?
It could be a very delicate piece of apparatus. And Murphy offcourse, tell me..I see here spherical electrodes are used. I used a sharp one. Could this be the fault ? I spent so much time in it and it looks thought thru.

I saw something from Robert Golka in my youth that made it a nice time. Look at this. Does this look like a one to one Colorado or not ? Nowadays we see alot of these powefull coils in action See pic 1.

This discription should have come earlier when the public interest was at its peak. One can't keep their attention for years and deliver nothing.
Jimmy Hendrix came to late at Woodstock and what kind of public was left there ? Most of them haven't had a decent technical education. Those people ignore important things they can't understand. And most stuff is to difficult for them. So result is nill.

This is Tesla mechanical switch. See pic 2. invention nr. 609.245
I did once use two highspeed drill machines. From the second one i removed the rotor and the stator coils. And with the commutator left i did connect two opposite ones to serve as a very high speed switch between the carbon brushes. Well the two machines coupled at the fronts with a piece of rod. And let the gearboxes do their work. I reached a mechanical switching speed of about 25000 cycles. Not bad but noise was far to loud to continue this. So i went electronic with this.

Is Ernsts pulse train nessessary ? Can it be done with a continues wave ?
How come your spark hits the ceiling and not the upper metallic contraption which is even grounded ? Tesla said something about 'they don't see each other.' Could you make some flashpictures ?

Also included is an interesting pdf i think. Well is this nice for a saturday or not ?
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hey ernst.

i watched yuor videos and today i was rereading the tesla autobiography and i discovered this little bit that reminded mme of your experiments.

"One day, as I was roaming the mountains, I sought shelter from an approaching storm. The sky became overhung with heavy clouds, but somehow the rain was delayed until, all of a sudden, there was a lightening flash and a few moments after, a deluge. This observation set me thinking. It was manifest that the two phenomena were closely related, as cause and effect, and a little reflection led me to the conclusion that the electrical energy involved in the precipitation of the water was inconsiderable, the function of the lightening being much like that of a sensitive trigger.

Here was a stupendous possibility of achievement. If we could produce electric effects of the required quality, this whole planet and the conditions of existence on it could be transformed. The sun raises the water of the oceans and winds drive it to distant regions where it remains in a state of most delicate balance. If it were in our power to upset it when and wherever desired, this might life sustaining stream could be at will controlled. We could irrigate arid deserts, create lakes and rivers, and provide motive power in unlimited amounts. This would be the most efficient way of harnessing the sun to the uses of man. The consummation depended on our ability to develop electric forces of the order of those in nature."
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Old 08-31-2013, 07:42 AM
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Much more possibilities open up. Although I have not yet fully worked it out, I can now see the possibility of wing-less airplanes.

BTW. last week our patent got approved. If anyone wants to patent an (alternative) energy idea, it is worthwhile to do some research in advance. There are 2 different "models" being used. One is the registration model, which works fast because it registers your idea first and then starts researching whether it infringes on other patents and gives you an advice as a result of this research.
The other model does the research first, before registering your idea. The latter model is the most used globally, but the Netherlands, for example, uses the registration model. Much quicker and much easier. The only drawback is that until 18 month after registration you may get an advice to withdraw your patent. (I'm not worried )

Well, just a tip for anyone else who would like to get a patent....

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Hmmm... According to these forumers, it should be getting "surpressed", as it is a Tesla free energy secret!
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Hi all,
I'm new here but I'm going to throw in my 2 cents about Tesla's wireless power.

I am going by what he said. The 1919 lecture revealed a lot.
The lecture is here.

"The True Wireless" by Nikola Tesla

In this lecture he references his previous 1892 lecture.

From what he said he intended to create a standing surface wave. We know know that these undoubtedly exist. You can call them Zenneck waves or surface plasmons or whatever.

These standing surface waves are the near field aka evanescent field.
The energy flux is orders of magnitude higher than far-field radiating waves.

So what he intended was doable.

How did he propose to do it though?

Quite simply by crating a capacitance WITHIN the wire at one end and holding it there till needed.

Read the 1919 lecture figures 3 - 6 and their descriptions as well as the patent for the transmitter.

Tesla didn't use a pump analogy for nothing.
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Did anybody else spot the discrepancy between the discription/schematic and the practical version ? And does anyone
know the patent-number of Ernst ? In this way somebody can have the schematic right and the realisation from it not working.
I know transistors all my life but to describe them in minute detail is an order to tall..
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Probably not, Hobby Eon, because there is none. In the picture you copied Ct has been removed, because otherwise you can not see Cd. I have tried various different shapes and sizes of Cd. In this picture you see a disc shape, but I am currently using a sphere of the same dimensions as Ce. This seems to give the best results, although the differences are not very large.

As to the patent I will attach part of the confirmation letter from the patent office where you can see the number: 1040320. The international number will probably get an NL in front.
After 18 months the patent will be visible in public databases, so any search for it now will be in vain. We have max 9 month during which we can make small changes in the patent text. The text is being reviewed legally and scientifically and to prevent anyone from finding holes in the text and quickly making use of it, I will not make the text public before that time.
But, I will show you the first 20 lines if you want, which is only some introduction text, stating the problem that I intend to solve.
The videos that I have put on youtube do provide sufficient information to replicate my work. And for those interested in where I got all this info from, I am working on this site.

Hope that answers your questions and doubts.

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Ps.: I noticed that when I upload an attachment, it gets compressed to such an extend that it becomes difficult to read. But anyway, as the text is in Dutch most of you can not read it anyway.
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Thanks for the constructive inputs. Question: would a copyrighted text be more handy? I've read something
about that somewhere. I want to give assistence with 'miniaturising' the devise in a compacter version.

The world was so ripe for receiving this four years ago. I have the feeling etc etc. Anyway lets not forget
our forerunner and the pioneer John Hutchinson from Canada. He is a really interesting and down to the ground
person who said some really interesting things about this field of technology. To be found on Ytube.

>I said: ..In this way somebody can have the schematic right and the realisation from it not working. <
The circuit could be sensetive to height above real ground or 'fake' grounds like groundplanes. Maybe the
device doesnt 'like' the real ground since Tesla went up a -rocky- (= isolator) mountain ?
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Earth Resonance

I don't think your animation is correct although that might be how Tesla envisioned it. Although unknown in Tesla's day, the earth is not homogeneous and this wasn't even hypothesized until the 1930's after he quit working on wireless transmission. It has distinct zones: crust, mantle, liquid outer core, and solid inner core. As one goes deeper the pressure and heat increase. Both of these are detrimental to conduction and Tesla said many times his method of transmission was true conduction. Considering that electricity follows the path of least resistance, the pulses would not travel directly through through the earth to the opposite side but through the crust. That's why Wardencliffe had extensive underground works to deliver the impulses from the tower to the crust.

The point about the timing to increase the power is, however, probably correct.

He orginally proposed transmitting power through the upper atmosphere where the air was rareified and much colder both of which are more amenable to conduction. He did a demonstration for a patent examiner where he used a vacuum tube between the transmitting and receiving terminals to simulate the rarified air at altitude. There is an image of it in the Colorado Spring Notes book by Aleksandar Marincic on page 12.

He went to Colorado springs to determine the parameters necessary to transmit power around the globe. There are notes about extracting hydrogen from the air presumably to maintain balloons at 30,000 feet as the transmission terminal. That altitude is stated in one of the transmission patents. You have to remember the times - there were no flying machines at that time so this seemed feasible. But there was another unknown that would have defeated him if he had attempted it - jet stream winds up to 250 miles an hour.

As far as I know he never attempted the elevated balloon terminal because he made a discovery which was detailed in his July 4, 1899 notes. Read it. It is enlightening, pun intended. Even at that time he believed the impulses traveled through the atmosphere and reflected back but I believe he later realized the reflection was occuring in the crust, not the atmosphere.

And there is still another problem. The theory of tectonic plates wasn't accepted until the 1960's so I'm not sure his idea would have worked. He did transmit power over some miles in Colorado but that wasn't across tectonic plate boundaries. Eric Dollard used an earth receiver to recieve signals in California from Colorado but that wasn't across tectonic plate boundaries either. If the signals were actually being reflected from a tectonic plate boundary and Tesla thought it was the diametric opposite pole of the earth, that might account for his superluminal speed of reflection calculation.

I don't have the graphics skills to do this in 3D but the following attachment will give you an idea. It's an animated GIF so it needs to ve opened in a browser. The forum converts this to a jpg file so it needs to be down loaded form here: GlobeAnimation
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Thanx thx1138 for your artwork!
There are many things that we can never be certain of and only a few that we can.
Concerning the inner structure of the Earth, I would like to ask you to do some research on what supporting evidence geologists have. I have done so in the past and I am sure you will be surprised with what you will find. I will give you one example:
We "know" the inner core consists mainly of iron and nickel because:
- we find these elements in abundance in meteorites (that is correct, you have read it right).
- it may help in explaining Earth magnetism if we vote for metals that can be magnetised.
The first reason is downright ridiculous because it has nothing to do with the Earth, the second reason would explain the absence of magnetism on the Sun
As crazy as it may sound, these are the real reasons.

Concerning the timing, Tesla was absolutely sure of his measurements of 84 ms and this 'happens' to match 2 x Earth diameter / speed of light. In my experiments (on an entirely different tectonic plate) I find resonance at 21 ms (because I have difficulties getting far enough away of 20 ms (=50 Hz) to test 42 or 84 ms). As these numbers seem to match pretty well I think I have found the same resonance that he was talking about, but I must admit I do not yet have strong evidence.

The main problem I have with conduction through the crust is how do you explain the different velocities of propagation?

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In the picture you copied Ct has been removed, because otherwise you can not see Cd. I have tried various different shapes and sizes of Cd. In this picture you see a disc shape, but I am currently using a sphere of the same dimensions as Ce. This seems to give the best results, although the differences are not very large.
In the picture we see something that resembles the Leyland-schematic more.
Does your circuit still work in that configuration ? I thought that Ct had a Faraday
function but it seems it just doesn't ?
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I don't think people are taking into account the near field when they are thinking about how Tesla proposed to achieve this feat.

Power transfer is exponentially higher within the near field. His proposed wavelength according to the "PATENT 787,412 ART OF TRANSMITTING ELECTRICAL ENERGY THROUGH THE NATURAL MEDIUM" would have been 15 Kilometers. A 100 ft receiver would have been well within the near field.

I'm not sure if people know this but it has recently been demonstrated that "vibration" can tunnel through vacuum though it has no medium to pass through.
The flux was 10000 times higher than radiative heat transfer.

In the same patent also claims the group velocity is four hundred and seventy-one thousand two hundred and forty kilometers per second.
This is faster than light obviously. This has been observed in tunneling experiments.
Resonant tunneling was not even known about by him or anyone else AFAIK.
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Old 09-18-2013, 10:12 PM
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Some more evidence that Tesla's effect was do to tunneling of charge carriers.
How the conservation of charge can lead to a
faster-than-c e ect: A simple example

R. Y. Chiao

Look familiar? i.e. Earth plus Magnifying Transmitter ...
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I also recommend reviewing this.
Near-perfect tunneling and amplification of evanescent electromagnetic waves in a waveguide filled by a metamaterial: Theory and experiments
JD Baena, L Jelinek, R Marqués, F Medina - Physical Review B, 2005 - APS

Quote:
We feel that a similar “perfect tunneling” will
take place in a symmetrical “perfect lens” experiment, when
the emitter and the receiver are identical.
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Old 09-19-2013, 08:30 AM
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@ thx1138,

Just found this in the last of the "rare notes":
Energy in strip considering superficial propagation will be similarly.
See my google-blog.

I am thinking that this kind of propagation may be an effect caused by the actual propagation which runs through the centre of the Earth. That would explain all the "anomalies".
I am referring to the effect first noticed and studied by Faraday and later by sir Oliver Lodge, that when you insert a charge into a conducting box (that means "inside" without touching it) this same charge can be measured on the outside of the box. So that could also imply that when you send a charge (current) through (the centre of) a sphere, this same charge can be measured on the outside of the sphere.

In short, I think both views may be correct.

Ernst.
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