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Old 07-20-2012, 02:00 PM
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Open discussion for projects on this forum.

I am starting this thread for open discussion for those people who would like to discuss projects that are going on on this forum. There are at least a couple of projects where the builders do not want to be bothered by discussions about the merits of their projects. Technical questions and others have resulted in flame wars and serious name calling. This thread is for serious discussion ONLY! There will be no flaming or name calling. If you disagree with another poster please state why you disagree with your technical discussion only. We can disagree without being disagreeable!

The Don Smith device thread is one of those has been subject to discussion and consequent flaming because of the discussion. I personally have problems with that device because I feel it does not do what is claimed based on my knowledge of electronics. I am open to anyone that would like to discuss it with me and show me where I am in error about the device.

Another device that has had a lot of attention lately and also a lot of flaming involved is the Assymmetrical Electrodynamic Machine of Ufo Politics. I haven't come to a conclusion on that one yet. The idea of combining a motor and generator on the same housing is nothing new. I have worked on many dynamotors which work the same way. However Ufo has come up with a rather unique way of winding the armature and taking the power off the generator side. Will it do what he says? He incorrectly calculates the COP using only the voltage in compared to the voltage out. There are several replicators working to build one according to his specs. So we should soon be getting some hard data to prove or disprove his claims. We really need to see the current in and out as well as the voltage in and out. He also is claiming that once we start pulsing the motor's armature and field we will see even more improvement in performance. PWM (pulse width modulation) has been around for several years now and is a proven technology for improving the performance of a motor. I have never seen it applied to the field windings also as Ufo is planning to do, so that should prove to be interesting to see the results of that.

Please feel free to comment on either one of these projects or any other project you would like to discuss. Remember this thread is for technical discussion only, NO NAME CALLING OR FLAMING.

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Hi Carroll,
I am looking forward to this thread. There are so many ideas floating around this forum that it is hard to keep track or know what is real and actually works. (proven to work ie replicated by others)I think that is the true standard of a working idea.
If we can consolidate workable ideas it would give new people as well as those of us who have been here a while a good reference point where to start.
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Hi Bizzy,

Thanks for the words of support but apparently no one else feels the same way. I thought this thread would give those people who had doubts or enthusiasm for certain projects a chance to express in a technical explanation why they felt that way. Maybe they don't really have any technical reasons for why they believe in a certain project. Maybe they just have a "gut feeling" it ought to work and can't really explain why they think so.

Another project I have just spent some time looking at is the thread by soundiceuk about the ION Energy receiver. That circuit is just the beginning of a radio receiver. The only difference is it is not using tuned stages for the input or output so maybe that will increase the power received somewhat. I am having a hard time believing any useful power can be obtained that way. For anyone interested in the radio principle used here just look up "superheterodyne receiver".

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I had a gut feeling and still kinda have a gut feeling the DS device works, but have no means financially to really peek inside. Dealing with high voltage requires some nice equipment and expensive parts. I stopped working on it because all of the tests I ran on it yielded no cop > 1, and without good equipment, its a lot of guess work. Maybe Don left something out, I dunno. I've moved on to a lower and more controlled environment.
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Hi Carroll, As far as motors go I think they are already quite efficient, there
is benefit to recovering the coil collapse from switched coils, but from what I see
if the motor is pulsed the max power is reduced, and when loading a
pulsed motor if the motor tries to maintain speed the input power will increase
and the recovered energy will be more. When a pulsed motor with recovery is
accelerated by increasing the voltage input, the recovered energy is less.

This all tells me there is no free energy in a motor, all that is possible is closer
to 100% efficient. Motors are for delivering shaft power and if we reduce
maximum input power we reduce maximum shaft power, it's the in between area's where
people see what appears to be extra energy because they reduce the input
by pulsing or removing windings and recover some energy, but under full load
at full power they cannot perform as a regular motor would in my opinion, only
slightly or partially loaded motors can afford to lose "on" time to get the
recovery in my opinion and I doubt it will ever be more out than in in a modified motor.

To improve a motor I think it needs to keep the same shaft power or more
and reduce input. Testing shaft power is not simple, using a generator could
work for testing but won't give a hard figure to compare so I have little
expectation any improvements will be made unless to already inefficient
motors. Almost a waste of time trying to improve on 97% efficient.

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Hi drak,

Thanks for joining this thread. I have a few problems with the DS device as I posted earlier. I watched a couple of videos where Don was describing his device. He claimed it was not using any new technology just applying what we already know in a new way. He went on to say the way his transformer circuits were working came right out of the Radio Amateur's Handbook. I am a radio amateur and looked up the references he gave. They had nothing to do with what he was talking about. His explanations also didn't match up with any thing I have been taught. I know we have to keep an open mind about what we think we know and I have spent a lot of time and money looking for the device that will give us free energy. But his explanations just didn't make any sense to me at all. Another problem with his device is the spark gap. Most people don't realize how much electrical noise they are putting into the air when they are running a spark gap. If you have any close neighbors you are likely messing up their TV and stereo reception. So any device with a spark gap is just not practical. And after just a few hours of run time the gap has to be adjusted again as it burns away the end of the electrodes.

If you don't mind sharing, what kind of device are you working on now?

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Hi Farmhand,

Most of what you said about motors is true. On a lot of the machines I worked on we had to have motors big enough to get a large mass moving. Once that mass was moving then we didn't need all that power. So at that point using PWM we were able to power the motor as if it was a smaller motor than it actually was. This is the case with a lot of motors used in industry. They are almost never run at full power. So in those cases pulsing the motor with a PWM controller is really a good idea and lets the motor run cooler and uses less power. The PWM also lets us control the motor speed more easily than some of the older systems that used the thyratron tubes. The PWM also lets us control the torque in cases where we don't want to overly stress the motor or other components with a too rapid start up.

Now the question still remains is pulsing the motor a good way to try and get OU. I agree with you that we probably are not going to get more from a motor just by pulsing it. However as Bizzy has shown we can pulse the motor when it is tied to a very efficient generator and get a machine that appears to be doing the same thing as the Watson/Bedini machine.

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If you don't mind sharing, what kind of device are you working on now?
Looking closely at the inductive collapse of a coil.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:33 PM
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Hi drak,

Very good, Farmhand has also studied that quit a bit. When you feel you have a handle on that please come back and share what you have learned. Also if you need any help just ask. I have over 50 years experience in electronics. And I am still learning.

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Very good, Farmhand has also studied that quit a bit. When you feel you have a handle on that please come back and share what you have learned. Also if you need any help just ask. I have over 50 years experience in electronics. And I am still learning.

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Well, I could have someone check my math before I finish this first test run. Can I pm you a pdf to look over and tell me if my equations are correct before I post the results?
Or Farmhand, he seems to be good with the math.
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Yes drak feel free to PM me and I will look at what you have. My math in electronics is a little rusty but I have a lot of reference material and can use it to check what you have.

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Hi Carroll,

I would like to support your initiative. It has been very hard for me to get to the design details that I am seeking in building replications of some of the devices discussed here in the broader forum. Some builders are very positive and excited but reluctant to be specific. I can understand that. They either want to profit financially or are afraid of the established energy players. They can do whatever and believe whatever. I don't want to call them names, say they are cowards, or whatever. I think those of us that are a bit more open can still have a reasonable discussion. My electronics, physics and science background make me rather sceptical, but I am open to the possibilities. I have experimented with magnet motors and copper coils of various configurations. If I had OU results to share, I would do so. But, as of now, the general rules of physics, thermodynamics, electricity, magnetism, etc. have held true.

My beef with standard physics and math is that as scientists we have observed the physical universe around us and created a mathematical model of how the universe operates. That is appropriate, well and good. What we as scientists do next is conjecture and speculation. We take our math and models and assume that as a whole construct these things are accurate and true and we stop doing basic research to find ways around the issues that prevent us from reaching our goals. We need to break out of that mindset and do some basic testing. In that way we will get REAL results and real knowledge and understanding of how the universe operates. Instead of assuming that we know everything, we should test the limits of what we think we know.

When I do a web search for formulas for building coils and finding resonant frequency, etc. I am astounded at the limitations and qualifications that go with the formulas. For example, a formula may only be applied in a vacumn or at certain frequencies or temperatures. Charts and graphs are inappropriately scaled or interpolated.

When I look at reports in this forum, voltage, energy, work and power are confused or used inaccurately. One needs to be well versed in physics and engineering. Both are needed to discern what is actually happening. Are the reported results accurate and useful? Is enough being revealed to enable the builder to approach a design from the basis of an internal model of how things should work?

For example, you can find an electronic circuit to "control" a windmill or solar array and charge up a bank of batteries. This is an example of true free energy, no expenditure for the energy, only for the equipment to collect the energy. You will find people collecting energy in a variety of unusual ways. You can find an explanation for why Don Smith insists that his device have a good, reliable earth ground. Why is that needed? Is the given explanation reasonable? There is a well known difference in electrostatic potential between earth ground and an elevated point some distance above ground. Is this the secret of Don Smith's device? Where does Don Smith talk about an antenna being required? Is there some other source? If it works, why does it matter? I think it DOES matter, and I would like to be able to back up my idea with some experiments.

Excuse the length of this rant, but I'm not quite done. Another technology that is fascinating to me is the replications around the work of Stanley Meyer. I have not seen any basic research around the relationship between electrolysis and temperature, pressure or electric field. For example, if an electrostatic field were created around an electrolysis cell, could one alter the amount of the gases produced? And, would the total energy input per unit of gas produced be constant?

I don't have the finances to do anything about it, but I am also curious about LENR and the work of Rossi.

To me, these are technical questions that fall within the guidelines you suggest for this topic. I don't live 24/7 on this forum, but I look forward to your thoughts.
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Good observations and I agree with some of your sentiments wayne.ct. The details are very important. It has recently become obvious to me that the main reason there's confusion over replicating the "greats" accurately is due to the fact that everyone is free to attribute whatever terms they like to what they have in front of them, so like Chinese whispers the message gets distorted at every step of the way. Then you end up with thousands of devices, with none of them being able to replicate what they set out to do. Then all the sources of "information" over the internet repeat the same information, people making web sites based on information they've seen on youtube and so on, and the whole thing spreads out of control. Then there's just total confusion with people in awe of how someone managed to do it in the first place, because no one else out of the thousands is able to do it even though they apparently have all the information, they saw it all on youtube, so it doesn't make any sense! Hehe.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:37 AM
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Hi wayne.ct,

Welcome to the thread. I finally decided to start this thread for some of the reasons you have stated. I also believe we need to be educated if we are ever really going to make any real progress. I have seen several instances on this forum where someone comes along and starts talking about this great discovery they have made. A lot of the time it is really only a normal effect they just weren't aware of before. I have tried to help those individuals by pointing them to info that will help them understand what they are seeing. Sometimes I have been thanked and sometimes told to mind my own business. And sometimes I have been accused of being a naysayer. I do believe in the possibility of free energy or OU but I have only seen some brief glimpses of it so far. But I have seen enough to convince me to keep trying.

There are some threads on here that I think might really be onto something but only time will tell for sure. One of the most promising is the 3BGS or three battery generating system. I have seen some strange things working on that one. But still haven't achieved OU yet.

As I posted a couple of days ago I am still undecided about Ufo's motors and machines. His designs look interesting but his silly references to witchs and all that other stuff about assymetrical this and that just turn me off.

Looking forward to your participation and thanks for joining us.

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Old 07-22-2012, 03:18 AM
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Searle-Carr gravity generators.

Hi Carroll, There is a PDF attached which might be interesting to all you guys.
The effects produced remind me of the effects claimed by Otis T. Carr in the
50's during a radio interview. I see it as "planetary" or "solar system"
technology. I think the Searle device supports the viability of Carr's device
being real. The Seale device would appear to be a real deal free energy
machine. I think the principal is the very best kind but Searle uses permanent
magnets Carr did not.

I started a thread about Otis T. Carr not long after joining this site, he is what
got me on the free energy hunt. This is how open minded I am, I think Otis's
craft was legit. But I think the teleporting claims by Ralph Ring are bogus and I
think he may have been "bought" to discredit Carr by making fantastic
unbelievable fantasy type claims. If there was no suppression and he knows
how it was build why would no one be asking him to help build one and why
would he not want to.

Otis T. Carr

I think I am beginning to understand how it may have worked as a machine.

If anyone needs any incentive to continue research I think the PDF has it.

AS far as I can tell some of the effects produced by the Searle generator in
Russia are not explained by known or accepted physics. The description of
the carona kinda reminds me of the carona envelope i got around one of the
extra coils I had on my Tesla transformer. I think I have a picture if I find it i'll
post it in the Otis thread. It comes out of the top and bottom turns of the
extra coil like two umbrella's one inverted and they can meet to form an almost complete
envelope like a donut. Very difficult to photograph or film though.

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The main problem is : expectations. Everybody has some expectations, even Don Smith had when he said "he is not talking about "peanuts"" (meaning a financial benefits lower then $500 000 000 - personally I would say, give me just 1/5 of that and every problem is resolved yesterday ).

So, expectations is the bad "witch" messing around.

Second is the "noise level". There are groups and individuals everywhere who don't ant to change "current paradigm" .

Another one : lack of resources and support. Some inventors live in countries where everything they could expect from others is the attempts to steal invention and sell it.

Do you see any oscilloscope in Tariel Kapanadze videos ? Even so called "electrician" measuring output from Kapanadze device with digital multimeter


This is the reality, we need to change, not even mentioning all those political reasons keeping us in perpetual motion of buy-throw-buy-earn money system.

Don Smith devices were real but IMHO Don was not original inventor , rather like a brilliant story teller on the first front of war. Maybe there was a team behind him or maybe I'm wrong.

I planned to write more but sorry I'm just tired, if you research what I posted here and on overunity.com there is like a good book of various concepts. Now I'm tired on theoretical discuss but being it the similar situation to other inventors with lack of resources it was my only activity last years
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Another device that has had a lot of attention lately and also a lot of flaming involved is the Assymmetrical Electrodynamic Machine of Ufo Politics. I haven't come to a conclusion on that one yet. The idea of combining a motor and generator on the same housing is nothing new. I have worked on many dynamotors which work the same way. However Ufo has come up with a rather unique way of winding the armature and taking the power off the generator side. Will it do what he says? He incorrectly calculates the COP using only the voltage in compared to the voltage out. There are several replicators working to build one according to his specs. So we should soon be getting some hard data to prove or disprove his claims. We really need to see the current in and out as well as the voltage in and out. He also is claiming that once we start pulsing the motor's armature and field we will see even more improvement in performance. PWM (pulse width modulation) has been around for several years now and is a proven technology for improving the performance of a motor. I have never seen it applied to the field windings also as Ufo is planning to do, so that should prove to be interesting to see the results of that.
Hmmmm Maybe I need to take a look at UFO's work some time, I have been working on this principal for a long time, Including winding special armatures although I'm now not sure it is necessary.

Assuming no losses PWM could double the energy in the system. With motors it is current and not volts that creates mechanical power, using resonance we can make the volts go off the scale but the current remains the same in the motor and so the motor power remains the same. I have tested this and in reality the current actually drops somewhat. when the volts times amps is calculated we do seem to have an overunity in the power oscillating in the coils of the motor even though the motor power is down. The heat in the motor went up but with my equipment I could not tell whether the heat gain was in proportion to the motor drop in mechanical power or in proportion to the volts times amps gain, I think it was the latter but cannot be sure. As this is low grade heat and difficult to harvest I gave up on that one.

Continuing with my Lockridge device research, I have come up with several ways of utilizing the inductive kickback but because of motor and efficiencies a self running device is still not anywhere near. I then combined the generation in the same unit so now we have only 1 iron loss but again this isn't good enough so now I have added a third factor. Motor coils have transformer interactions, that is how the induction motor works. We can set a motor up in theory to to not only act as a motor and generator but as a transformer as well. With a 70% efficient motor we can return 49% from the generator section but also have our transformer effect. If this transformer action is better than 51% then we have the chance of making the motor self running. I have had transformer actions better than 51% in motors. The problem now seems to be geometry to make these outputs work together. By the way this has all been patented in the dynamotor patent, Its just that no one has worked out how to do it.

I have also included aspects of the Gray motor into the circuit and guess what? on simulations I get an input to output ratio of 1 to 2.7 and that is after the losses.

So why haven't I done it? I haven't got the geometry right and I ran out of budget.

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As far as motors go I think they are already quite efficient, there
is benefit to recovering the coil collapse from switched coils, but from what I see
if the motor is pulsed the max power is reduced, and when loading a
pulsed motor if the motor tries to maintain speed the input power will increase
and the recovered energy will be more. When a pulsed motor with recovery is
accelerated by increasing the voltage input, the recovered energy is less.

This all tells me there is no free energy in a motor, all that is possible is closer
to 100% efficient.
I believe this to be absolutely true when recovering energy from a motor that is working conventionally but when we combine the three functions I have previously discussed there can only be one set of losses. with a motor, generator and transformer all on one core the iron losses will be equal to only the least efficient of the three and not all three added together. The same goes for the friction. Farmhand has helped me a lot in my research and deserves praise for it. The problem of flux reduction in a loaded transformer that Farmhand told me about, seems again to be down to geometry and I think I might have that one sorted.

I keep away from the threads that have the fighting but if what i have posted about is similar to UFO's work I will start to read it
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Not need to make motor self-running, I have a feeling that it's enough to run it many days on small 7Ah like 12V battery or something like that. And I'm talking about a few HP motor. Good thoughts, this is the way to go.Ufo is also on right path. All that was made years and years ago and patented
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Hi mbrownn,

Thanks for adding your input to the thread. I started this thread for the same reason you avoid some of the others. I also was tired of all the infighting and name calling. My sincere hope is that we can discuss different aspects of the projects and learn from each other without all the drama.

Have you looked at Bizzy's thread about the Watson/Bedini machine. After a couple of years worth of work he seems to have it going now. If I remember correctly he is pulsing an off the shelf motor and driving his own special alternator which is charging a cap which he dumps back to a battery and cap which is then pulsed to the motor. He had it running for 9 days before he turned it off. It is not a Lockridge device but it appears to be doing the same thing.

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Hi boguslaw,

I agree if we could run a 1 or 2 HP motor for a couple of days off a 12 v 7 ah battery that would probably be all we need to be energy independent. We could always use some of that power to charge up a couple of other batteries during that time. Do you know of any circuit or device that will let us do that? Thanks for sharing your ideas.

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Thanks for joining us. Are you working on any projects or just trying to learn?

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Tesla Secret Energy Receiver

Another project that shows up on this forum from time to time is the Tesla Secret Energy Receiver. If you are not familiar with it, it is basically an antenna and some diodes and capacitors and a ground connection. And of course there are the poster's favorite modifications to the circuit that will make it "really" work this time. I have tried a couple of them just out of curiosity and never got more than a few millivolts and certainly not enough power to do anything with other than maybe light a single LED. Has anyone actually been able to get any usable power from this basic circuit? I just can't see anyway to get much power from this unless you live next door to a strong radio or TV station. I anyone has had any luck with this please share it and tell us how you did it.

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I agree if we could run a 1 or 2 HP motor for a couple of days off a 12 v 7 ah battery that would probably be all we need to be energy independent. We could always use some of that power to charge up a couple of other batteries during that time. Do you know of any circuit or device that will let us do that? Thanks for sharing your ideas.

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UFOPolitics is working on it I believe. The last I saw something like that was a patent from 70'ties or 80'ties.I will check if I could find it again. Basically motor-generator with two commutators or commutator and slip rings. The idea is to simply get the power from "generator" stage of motor and put back to stator coils. I will be back to this concept in the future, mechanical devices are not something I like the best (more chances for failure). Surely it can be done after eliminating Lenz drag.
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UFOPolitics is working on it I believe. The last I saw something like that was a patent from 70'ties or 80'ties.I will check if I could find it again. Basically motor-generator with two commutators or commutator and slip rings. The idea is to simply get the power from "generator" stage of motor and put back to stator coils. I will be back to this concept in the future, mechanical devices are not something I like the best (more chances for failure). Surely it can be done after eliminating Lenz drag.
Hi Boguslaw,
You are correct when you say that you simply need to get the power from the generator to the stator/motor. And you are also right when you say thayou need to eliminate Lenz's law. that is what I have been able to do with my unit. I first isolate the alternator from the motor by using my transfer swicth. I eliminate Lenz's law by adding a capacitor at the motor so there is a continual flow of power to the stator/motor the only draw back to this is that it also eliminates any back emf
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Another project that shows up on this forum from time to time is the Tesla Secret Energy Receiver. If you are not familiar with it, it is basically an antenna and some diodes and capacitors and a ground connection. And of course there are the poster's favorite modifications to the circuit that will make it "really" work this time. I have tried a couple of them just out of curiosity and never got more than a few millivolts and certainly not enough power to do anything with other than maybe light a single LED. Has anyone actually been able to get any usable power from this basic circuit? I just can't see anyway to get much power from this unless you live next door to a strong radio or TV station. I anyone has had any luck with this please share it and tell us how you did it.

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Like you and most amatuer inventor/tinkerers I tried working with teh radiant colectors as well. In fact I think I even started a thread in the forum about a unique design that claimed to work.
The only thing I ever got was a few milliamps and greif from my wife about "wires running every where"
Since Tesla said it can work i am sure it will. However i think that we are missing a piece of the puzzle to solve the problem.
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The only thing I ever got was a few milliamps and greif from my wife about "wires running every where"
Since Tesla said it can work i am sure it will.
It did work. You got a few milliamps

Here is my problem with it. No one ever said HOW MUCH power you are supposed to be able to get out of it. Tesla claimed that the principle worked, which it does. I'm not aware that he ever claimed you would be able to power your house with it.

People are throwing terms like "free energy" and "free wireless energy" around, did they ever wonder what the energy source was supposed to be? Did they consider the fact that Tesla had access to electrical energy in a way that none of us do? IE he designed the generators at the power stations. And the "free energy" everyone is obsessed with is supposed to sprout out of thin air? Did they forget about the generators at the waterfalls, which is the problem of free energy already solved?
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It did work. You got a few milliamps

Here is my problem with it. No one ever said HOW MUCH power you are supposed to be able to get out of it. Tesla claimed that the principle worked, which it does. I'm not aware that he ever claimed you would be able to power your house with it.
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I don't know the exact quote or where he said it It may have been in his patent description, so I will only paraphrase but i thought Tesla said there is "unlimited power available" using this method.
You are correct in that I beleive he never said you can get XX amps or this many volt. and yes I guess you are right it did work just not up to our expectation so I stand corrected in that respect.

I know in my case I have also associated Tesla's radiant energy experiments with his car experiment in Buffalo. He never said they were associated it was just my hunch. And I could be way off base there. I don't know that much about the subject just what I have read and learned through my experiments.

But you do make a great point it does work...simply not up to our expectations.
I do think that if people like us continue where other leave off we can improve power production.
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hi Dr Green
I don't know the exact quote or where he said it It may have been in his patent description, so I will only paraphrase but i thought Tesla said there is "unlimited power available" using this method.
Possibly, it depends how you look at it. I'm thinking more in terms of the popular perception that can be seen in groups on facebook etc, they haven't given it a single thought, yet they will happily talk about suppressed this and that and free energy to the world etc.

I think theoretically it's possible, but it will need some work for sure. Although does the "unlimited power" refer to the "attaching our machinery to the wheelwork of nature" reference? Because that could be done in a number of different ways.
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Do not think too much about Tesla radiant energy receiver mystery - there is not much here. In one of his patents he clearly described the usage of it require HUGE antenna or very high elevation or the near big transmitter. What Tesla wanted to note is that we CAN collect energy not just signals from radio waves. The patent is very basic one.
One of the drawing from this patent is copied in one european Tesla patent where he is describing art of wireless signalling. The source of radiant energy was his magnifying transmitter.

Btw : is there any possibility that important patents WERE modified after inventor death ?
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