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Old 08-15-2018, 02:53 PM
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I did try and researched, and found that there really is something worth looking at the a pulse motor in a 3 battery arrangement.
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I should mention too, that a single battery and a pulse motor with generator coils. Ala bedini style.. It is worth something, just not that something you could use large scale. But its still there, the concept that is the recovery of electrical energy after using it to generate mechanical motion
Ricards,

You'll notice that I kept my nose out of all his battery system threads. I just don't care about those. What interests me and where I chimed in is when he claims a motor with more output power than input power or his 1800 watt out, 300 watt in generator/motor combo.

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Yep, thatís what I claim alright.
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Old 08-16-2018, 12:49 AM
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Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate your opinions.

What I believe is wrong is to repeatedly make the claim which is clearly wrong, false or mistaken.

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SO, since you are clearly wrong, your conclusions are false, and you are mistaken about whether or not our devices do what we say they will do, I guess, by your own admission, it is time for you to move on. Be seeing ya!
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Why is lpg not utilised as a vapor in a car?

Hi All,
I'm new to this thread but saw it is open for ideas, so here is mine:
I read about all this hi mileage carbs (pogue etc.) And all the stories, before all the additives to the gasoline, about how gasification of liquid fuel will/would extend mileage dramatically.
Now with lpg having only a slightly lower btu than gasoline and lpg actually having easy cheap options for turning it into a gas (from cooking sets) it should be not too difficult to setup a hi mileage lpg-carb.
I assume that a normal lpg conversion of a car is similar to gasoline, in that it is set way too rich to keep it close to the mileage of gasoline.
With all the problems of "cracking" liquid fuel into a useful gas that could be solved with letting lpg become a complete gas. Millions of household use this in their kitchen. So safety can be overcome. And, as an additional advantage, with a dedicated carb doing this, it can be used as an aircon too (since propane boils at -38deg C) making the compressor in the car obsolete.
Anyone having any comments/ideas on this?
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:34 AM
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Hi All,
I'm new to this thread but saw it is open for ideas, so here is mine:
I read about all this hi mileage carbs (pogue etc.) And all the stories, before all the additives to the gasoline, about how gasification of liquid fuel will/would extend mileage dramatically.
Now with lpg having only a slightly lower btu than gasoline and lpg actually having easy cheap options for turning it into a gas (from cooking sets) it should be not too difficult to setup a hi mileage lpg-carb.
I assume that a normal lpg conversion of a car is similar to gasoline, in that it is set way too rich to keep it close to the mileage of gasoline.
With all the problems of "cracking" liquid fuel into a useful gas that could be solved with letting lpg become a complete gas. Millions of household use this in their kitchen. So safety can be overcome. And, as an additional advantage, with a dedicated carb doing this, it can be used as an aircon too (since propane boils at -38deg C) making the compressor in the car obsolete.
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Here in America, they do have many vehicles that run on lp. I personally do not know about there efficiency. They also run vehicles on natural gas too.
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Lpg setups in car are always near of that of gasoline systems (mileage). But if look to a cooking set (most of households in my country uses lpg) there is no watercooling, the liquid lpg comes out of the bottle and is ignited at the cookingpoint (pit). The lpg evaporator in a car is watercooled by the car's cooling circuit, indicating a different setup. In my eyes to get still a lot of liquid gas passed that point of the evaporator to setup a wasteful system. So the difference of a cookinggas evap. Is very different that a car setup. So what would happenif the cooking set evap. Would be used in a car? Or something like it...?
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:52 AM
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There is a slight warming needed at times at the LNG regulator near the engine intake. Years ago the regulators would form ice on the outside of the regulator and inside caused a constriction so they would use a small heater blanket on the tank and around the regulator stem. This was known as an evaporator and the name remained. The term evaporator today has a wide variety of functional types.

when life was simple you needed a warmer at times.
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/at...1&d=1357503412

The diesel engine cost is more expensive because it needs higher compression parts so why use diesel ? true it is not as cost effective to run a diesel engine on a single fuel liquid natural gas system unless the project is very large.
At least this has been the case from what we understand.
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I was having a similar discussion with a friend of mine where I asked him why the siicon chip magazine's kttset project, for tuning a petrol motor, in terms of mixture, used a Boshe oxygen sensor, with leds. Wouldn't it be more accurate to use a sensor to detect unspent hydrocarbons.

He seemed to think that it was a coverup, and it would be better to run the engine leaner, and cool the valves with a watermist injection, rather than unspent gasoline. Is there unspent gasoline in the exhaust? Or how much? I really don't know these things.

My old campervan was duel fuel. It ran on lpg and petrol (gasoline). Bit by bit I replaced the entire system, except for the tank. and spent quite a few hours twiddiling the different knobs and stuff, trying to get the most grunt out of it. The mixer was heated by hot water from the motor, on it's way to the radiator. They say here in Ozzy that nearly all the lpg is burnt, but the valves are burnt out quicker, than using petrol. but you can buy upper cylinder lubricant injection kits.

Towards the end, it would only run on lpg. It was very old and the motor was shot, when I started running it on petrol, with an onboard hydrolizer unit. under those circumstances, it probably pays not to press too hard on the accerator when driving around town.
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Old 10-22-2018, 03:40 PM
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It is clear to everyone you arenít man enough to come out into the open and attack me man to man.
All I did was to ask this guy to back up his claim with proof or evidence. Why does he think I want to attack him?
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Old 10-23-2018, 01:45 AM
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Possibly because you said all of the following:

1. You deceive yourself, and others gullible enough to believe you.

2. More BS. I am paying attention. I suspect lots of folks read your posts. But with these battery systems, every instrumented documented experiment and test available show no excess energy... NO free energy.

3. So lies, deception and falsehoods by Turion are acceptable positive contributions but simple request for proof of claim is not.

4. How long has Turion been spreading this BS?

5. The lies and fraud were there in print in your posts

6. But over the course of the months, or maybe years, I've come to realize you could not possibly be that dense, so you are, in fact, perpetrating a scam of sorts, intentionally misrepresenting things, stating falsehoods and yes, lying about things on purpose.

Can you say libel and defamation of character?
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Old 10-23-2018, 02:32 AM
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Possibly because you said all of the following: ...
All of which I would have never said had you simply backed up you claims of having a motor with higher output power than input power and a generator which produced 1800 watts output while using less than 300 watts input. But you chose to insult and ridicule me.

I'll be more than happy to retract those statements and apologise publicly once you prove those claims.

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Can you say libel and defamation of character?
I'm no lawyer, but I don't think it is libel if it is true. Truth in this case is that you do not have a motor which outputs greater power than it uses and you do not have and never did have a generator which produces 1800 watts output while using less than 300 watts of input power.

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You wanted to know why I think you want to attack me. Proving that you already HAVE attacked me was the answer to your question. Your excuses for why you did it only prove that you already KNEW why before you asked the question. Oh wait, when you asked that question was everyone supposed to feel sorry for you?

Some of your statements WERE in reference to the 3 battery system which has been proven a million times to absolutely work when built correctly. That is proven by the statement you made below.


QUOTE=Turion;313950].

6. But over the course of the months, or maybe years, I've come to realize you could not possibly be that dense, so you are, in fact, perpetrating a scam of sorts, intentionally misrepresenting things, stating falsehoods and yes, lying about things on purpose.[/QUOTE]

And when it comes down to producing a generator that does exactly what I say it does to win a lawsuit, I welcome that opportunity. Won’t that be fun to fire it up for the judge and jury? Because that is the only time you’ll EVER see it run. LOL But at least then you will know the truth, won't you? And it's gonna cost ya!

And to be perfectly clear, I said the output VOLTAGE on MATT'S motor was higher than the input voltage. It is a pulse motor and THAT is exactly what it does. SPIKES! I NEVER said the motor put out more than it took to run. I never said it was MY motor. I never said I HAD a motor design, because I have never built ANY motors that I have talked about on the forum except as replications of the work of others. That's YOU twisting my words or hearing what you WANT to hear so you can attack. The motor/Generator COMBINATION outputs more power than what it takes to run the motor. Get your FACTS straight.
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:24 AM
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You wanted to know why I think you want to attack me. Proving that you already HAVE attacked me was the answer to your question. Your excuses for why you did it only prove that you already KNEW why before you asked the question. Oh wait, when you asked that question was everyone supposed to feel sorry for you?

Some of your statements WERE in reference to the 3 battery system which has been proven a million times to absolutely work when built correctly. That is proven by the statement you made below.


QUOTE=Turion;313950].

6. But over the course of the months, or maybe years, I've come to realize you could not possibly be that dense, so you are, in fact, perpetrating a scam of sorts, intentionally misrepresenting things, stating falsehoods and yes, lying about things on purpose.[/QUOTE

And when it comes down to producing a generator that does exactly what I say it does to win a lawsuit, I welcome that opportunity. Wonít that be fun to fire it up for the judge and jury? Because that is the only time youíll EVER see it run. LOL But at least then you will know the truth, won't you? And it's gonna cost ya!

And to be perfectly clear, I said the output VOLTAGE on MATT'S motor was higher than the input voltage. It is a pulse motor and THAT is exactly what it does. SPIKES! I NEVER said the motor put out more than it took to run. I never said it was MY motor. I never said I HAD a motor design, because I have never built ANY motors that I have talked about on the forum except as replications of the work of others. That's YOU twisting my words or hearing what you WANT to hear so you can attack. The motor/Generator COMBINATION outputs more power than what it takes to run the motor. Get your FACTS straight.
Here goes again.

Your generator claim.

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Just want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts input.
Your motor power claim.

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... How can the power out of the motor be higher than the power into the motor?

Don't like the power supply? Here's Tinman using a battery. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBuWQni0znU
Your reply to my quoted post directly above. Clearly we are talking about power.

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What do you know! Heís using a battery! A small victory. So on to the next issue. Is he running the motor between the positives? Donít think so. Not enough batteries there for the 3 Battery system and NO boost module in sight. So how is his test ANYTHING like the way we are using the motor? Did I EVER say it would put out more than comes in when directly connected to ONE battery? ...

And when I talk about power into the motor and power out of the motor I am talking electrical power, which ONLY happens when you run between the positives. ...
And your battery systems; never did care about those and think I just mentioned it once where I quoted another member.

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You'll notice that I kept my nose out of all his battery system threads. I just don't care about those. What interests me and where I chimed in is when he claims a motor with more output power than input power or his 1800 watt out, 300 watt in generator/motor combo.
Turion referring to the quote above (bolded).

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Yep, thatís what I claim alright.
I think right there you confirm you did in fact claim a motor with more output power than input power. But what really interests me and caused me to press for proof was your public claim of 1800 watt output power using less than 300 watts input power generator. A machine that can do that equates to two horsepower free of any fuel and zero emissions. Net 1.5kW continuously. World be saved.

I'll gladly go to court with you to see that. Sue away.

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ďJust want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts inputĒ.

Thatís amazing, itís like putting 120 amps into a 12v battery, I imagine it
would soon have said battery boiling!

When folk claim acceleration under load,if you think about it,itís meaningless
if your motor isnít 100% efficient to start with.
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Yep. That's what I've been saying. Same goes for cogging.

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Cogging torque of electrical motors is the [torque] due to the interaction between the permanent magnets of the rotor and the stator slots of a Permanent Magnet (PM) machine. It is also known as detent or 'no-current' torque. This torque is position dependent and its periodicity per revolution depends on the number of magnetic poles and the number of teeth on the stator. Cogging torque is an undesirable component for the operation of such a motor. It is especially prominent at lower speeds, with the symptom of jerkiness. Cogging torque results in torque as well as speed ripple; however, at high speed the motor moment of inertia filters out the effect of cogging torque.
From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogging_torque

Niether acceleration under load or cogging have any significant effect on generator performance at operational speed and load.

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Yep. That's what I've been saying. Same goes for cogging.



From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogging_torque

Niether acceleration under load or cogging have any significant effect on generator performance at operational speed and load.

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Sorry Bi,

But our tests have proven both of those claims to be false. But since you insist on changing what is being said to suit your own purposes you won't see those results.

You keep taking what Dave says out of context. He clearly said that when used in the 3 battery system the motor produces more power than consumed. That is because the power used by the motor gets recycled back into the 3rd battery. And if you go back and read what Dave said it is clear that he meant exactly that and nothing else.

You are only making yourself look bad when you insist on calling Dave and Matt frauds. There are several of us that have proven beyond any doubt that the three battery system does extend the run time available from the batteries.

And even some skeptics have seen that the Matt modified motor does increase significantly the charging of the 3rd battery. I personally did the testing for Dave on the neutralizing of the magnetic cogging and saw how that caused the input power to drop when done properly.

I have not seen his large generator run, but I believe Dave about the input and output power because everything he and Matt have told me so far has been proven correct.

What is truly amazing is the personal attacks on a couple of guys that have very generously shared what they have learned. They have never asked for a dime from anyone that I am aware of. And I know Dave and Matt both have spent thousands of hours and thousands of dollars to get where they are now in their knowledge. They both have my total respect and admiration for their dedication and generosity.

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bi,
If you actually BUILT anything I have suggested you would already know this, but perhaps this will help others understand.

So cogging first. I absolutely agree that at high speeds the VISIBLE effect of clogging is eliminated. Adding a flywheel also helps eliminate the effect of cogging. But eliminating cogging is NOT the entire effect of offsetting or neutralizing magnets. The VISIBLE effect of clogging disappears as the motor speeds up. My generator, with all 12 coils in it aligned to six two inch neo magnets would pull over 100 amps on startup to break the magnetic lock. Once the motor was up to speed it would pull over 30 amps and the MY1020 is only rated for 27. So to run the generator for any length of time would burn the motor up. Now with the opposition magnets in place the magnets aren’t being dragged as they pass the iron cores. The amp draw on the motor goes down to between 11-12 amps instead of the 30+ amps without the magnetic neutralization. And this is at 2800 rpm. If you see no value in this, you are a moron. Not only does the amp draw of the motor go down when the opposition magnets are put in place, but the motor speeds up. Higher rpm of the motor means the generator turns faster. When the generator turns faster it outputs MORE power. Clogging at LOW rpm is a visible effect that YOU apparently believe magically “goes away”’when the motor speeds up. How scientific of you. It’s still there, only too fast to be visible. The amp draw numbers I have just given you prove that beyond a doubt. Ask Citfta. He TESTED it when I first figured it out. You do NOT know everything. You think at high speeds there is NO interaction between the iron cores and the magnets? If there was no interaction it would generate NO power. PLEASE!!!!

So what have we learned that opposition magnets contribute to the system? They decrease the amp draw of the motor significantly and increase the output of the generator. Please tell me that any of this is a lie so we can all be completely DONE with you and your complete lack of understanding of these systems.
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All I want is proof of Turion's generator claim

Forget about cogging, batteries, splitting potential, and other stuff. All I am interested in is the 1800 watt generator which uses less than 300 watts input to produce the 1800 watts output power as Turion claims he has or had repeatedly.

Without that proof, what I have said about Mr. Turion stands on its own.

I disagree with you guys about those other topics, but they're not worth arguing over. The 1800W out/300W in generator makes all that other stuff irrelevant. Turion has stated numerous times that generator is independent of the battery system and can be run with a standard motor.

Look back on this in a few years and tell me who was right.

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...They decrease the amp draw of the motor significantly and increase the output of the generator. ...
I told you the fact (truth) about this and backed it up with a Wikipedia page. You don't believe me and that's alright. How about you changing the wiki article to reflect your version of machine output at speed and load? That ought to bring in few expert opinions.
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So where was the lie in my post 1157????
You couldn't find one, so now you don't want to talk about cogging anymore.
LOL. TYPICAL.

Your Wikipedia article did not disprove a SINGLE claim that I made in post 1157. Although, I would admit that if you got the rpms up HIGH enough, the magnetic drag might continue to go away. At 5000 rpm, it is still there. I wonder how fast you would have to run the generator for it to be gone?

I agreed with the statement that "at high speed the motor moment of inertia filters out the EFFECT of cogging torque." It doesn't ELIMINATE it, it filters it. SMOOTHS it out if you will. But it is still there. You cannot eliminate the attraction of a magnet to an iron core just by moving past it quickly, because all you did was move rapidly to the NEXT iron core. The magnetic drag is still there, as I have shown with the simple example I gave of the effect of magnetic neutralization on the performance of a stock motor turning my generator. Are you going to dispute that or not? Come on, be a man. Do something besides quote Wikipedia. Have an original thought of your own on the subject under discussion. If magnetic neutralization has "NO EFFECT" as YOU have stated, why does the amp draw of my motor decrease when it is put in place? Why do the rpm's of the motor increase? Why does the output of the generator increase? Or are you saying NONE of those things happen. If you want, I could point you to a whole bunch of YouTube videos done by people on THIS forum that show the effect. Or are they liars and frauds too?

So until you point out the LIE in post 1157, I'm going to assume that everything I said is true. What does that give us? It gives us a rotor that despite the fact that the magnets on it are rotating past iron cores, does not drag the motor down. Without magnetic neutralization, the more coils you have, the greater the drag. Try using the razor scooter motor to turn a rotor with magnets on it past a half dozen coils and see how much smoke you get out of that motor as the amp draw exceeds the rated draw of the motor. Use a second motor to get it up to speed if you want, but I promise you that when ONLY the razor scooter motor is turning the rotor magnets past a bunch of coils, at WHATEVER RPM you think "eliminates cogging" you will find out exactly how LITTLE you know.

But let's move on to generator coils that speed the motor up when they are put under load. This too has NO VALUE according to you. Another example of your BRILLIANT intellect.

Speed up under load is a function of delayed lenz. When a load is put on the coil, instead of the coil becoming say a North polarity electromagnet that repels the approaching North magnet, then switching polarity to a South electromagnet as the magnet reaches top dead center on the coil and attracting the North magnet that is moving away, a PROPERLY constructed coil has enough capacity that it doesn't become a North polarity electromagnet until JUST as the North magnet on the rotor reaches top dead center, and then it becomes that North electromagnet repels that North polarity rotor magnet in the SAME direction it was traveling. TIMING is critical. Coil construction is specific to the rotor, the rpms of the motor, and a bunch of other factors.

What you get is the generator coil acting as a MOTOR coil at exactly the right moment which assists the motor, thereby decreasing its amp draw, increasing its speed, which then causes the generator to produce MORE POWER. If you have a decent motor that is highly efficient turning a rotor past coils that speed the motor up under load, what happens to the efficiency of that motor? The motor will ALWAYS use some power, but what you get is rpm far beyond what the motor was capable of generating on its own. When that rpm is transferred to a rotating generator, you will see the benefits. I have 12 coils that assist my motor in its rotation by doing this, at the same time they are generating power.

You said if this was for real, Thane Heinz would have made a fortune from it. Not really. First of all, Tesla’s patent on this topic is expired, putting it in the public domain. Thai me has patent applications, not patents. You can’t sell what you don’t own. And second, what GOOD does it do you, if you can only have TWO COILS on your generator? Try to turn a rotor past coils that speed up under load and you STILL have to deal with the issue of the magnets attracted to the mass of the iron core.

It takes a COMBINATON of lenz delayed coils AND elimination of the magnetic drag to produce a generator that gives you the benefits I have been talking about.

AGAIN, point out to me a SINGLE LIE in this post. Yes, I may not always use the correct terms, but I understand what can happen in these systems far better than YOU. They work REGARDLESS of what you believe. I have explained exactly how and exactly WHY they work.

Please show me the "Lie" in ANYTHING i have stated here. If there AREN't any, maybe you would be wise to shut up and build the thing.
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Turion and friends,
Unless youíre exceeding 100% efficiency, whatever you do, youíre within the rules as far as the physics go.
So what youíre claiming has got to be classed as perpetual motion.
Therefore your device must be capable of running forever, we all know
that eventually batteries and bearings wear out, but you get the general idea?
This is the 64 thousand dollar question, will your device run until something
wears out?
As the photonís speed (in a vacuum) is C.,that must be taken into account.
Final question is dead simple, do you have perpetual motion? A yes/no answer
is all thatís needed.
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:42 PM
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Perpetual motion, no. COP>1. Yes. Way greater than one. I have already stated that I cannot run with these iron cores for too long or the insulation melts off the coil wires. Was researching core materials when life caught up with me, and now I have no time. Thatís one of the reasons I shared everything, so others could help with the research. Instead of working WITH people, I am told this cannot work.

Does it put out more than it takes to run? Absolutely does. Especially when the motor is run on the 3 battery system. But it doesnít HAVE to be. It is so efficient a STOCK motor can be used with this setup as I am doing.

Anyone who has a rotor with magnets on it they can turn with a motor can test to see if any of the statements I just made are false. Prove me wrong. Not opinions. FACTS. Everything I stated in the last two posts is a fact. When you put all those facts together you get a working device. A Basic free energy device. Youíre welcome.
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Old 10-24-2018, 12:13 AM
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Turion,

All you're doing is avoiding the issue. The 1800 watt output/300 watt input machine is the only thing that maters. It is the falsehood you continue to insist you have. I know that is untrue. Prove me wrong. You can not. I don't care about your tricks and methods used to build your generator. I only care about the performance claim: 1800 watt output power with 300 watts input power.

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Old 10-24-2018, 12:39 AM
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The old speed up

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You said if this was for real, Thane Heinz would have made a fortune from it. Not really. First of all, Teslaís patent on this topic is expired, putting it in the public domain. Thai me has patent applications, not patents. You canít sell what you donít own. ...
No, this is what I said.

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... So what if shorting a coil causes an increase in speed. That has nothing to do with it. Output power will not exceed input power. If Thaine Heinz had anything of value, why hasn't it been commercialized? He's got nothing of any value.
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And the fact that he doesn't own a patent on it would enhance the opportunity for commercialization by others. The fact that it has been around for so long with no takers indicates its perceived value. Zilch.

We hashed through this years ago when bromikey was promoting him. I thought it was dead and buried. It should be.

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Old 10-24-2018, 02:51 AM
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I misquoted you. I apologize for that.

Just to be clear, you have been unable to find an untruth in my post of why speed up under load is important and how it works or in my post on why magnetic neutralization is important and how it works. In essence, you are unable to dispute either of the two aspects of my generator that contribute to my claims of its performance.

So now that you have been proven WRONG on BOTH these issues that you were MORE than willing to argue when you THOUGHT you knew what you were talking about, you don't want to talk about ANYTHING you have accused me of lying about except whether or not I have a generator that does what I say it will do.

You got burned on the 3 Battery system.
You got burned on speed up under load
You got burned on magnetic cogging
So your plan is to avoid the burn by not talking about it and focusing on what YOU believe is most important.

You claim you KNOW I don't have a generator, just like you KNEW that speed up under load was useless (strike one) and magnetic neutralization is worthless. (Strike two) I believe your "knowledge" that I do NOT have a generator that does what I say it will do is strike three! So you are OUT! Game over.

But you got FOUR strikes, because you are WRONG about the 3 battery system also. and strike 5 is your inability to understand that the 3 Battery system is so much MORE valuable than this generator that I was willing to give the generator away because it was taking too much of my time and I want to focus on what is REALLY important.

I am not going to waste my time proving anything to you. I think I have made that abundantly clear. You don't deserve it, and it gives me immense satisfaction to know that I could, but choose NOT to.

We all have to do what makes us happy, and this makes me happy. So get over it. If you don't want to build it, DON'T, but man up and quit whining about it. You are not owed ANYTHING be me, especially after all the crap you have thrown at the wall just to watch it splatter.
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Old 10-24-2018, 04:20 AM
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You got burned on the 3 Battery system.
You got burned on speed up under load
You got burned on magnetic cogging
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BS. I am right on all three counts. I just don't want to educate you enough for you to understand why. You don't even try to learn the real science

I never wanted to get into the battery systems with you. I know it's a loser. I avoided it for so long but mentioned it once quoting a Jeff Dove post. My mistake. I never claimed you lied about it.

Go back a few years of forum posts and read where I participated in an analysis of Thain Hiens' claims. I'm not searching for it and don't feel the need to prove anything to anybody about it. It doesn't do anything for performance or efficiency at load. Consider that my opinion. I don't care. I know you're mistaken about it but don't recall calling you a liar about it.

Cogging. Again. It, or the elimination of it, makes no difference at speed and at load. Ever notice the cogging torque on the rotor pulls it to the center of the core? Off to one side, it pulls CW. Off to the other side, it pulls CCW. So when the generator is rotating at normal speed with normal load, cogging contributes equal CW and CCW torque. Or in other words, net cogging torque is zero. This means it does not affect the average current or voltage, or average input torque or RPM. Cogging at speed and load appears as torque ripple which is annoying due to noise and vibration, but is not a factor in power conversion performance or efficiency except a possible fraction of a percent loss due to minor loop hysteresis. And again, I say you're wrong in your cogging statements, which isn't calling you a liar.

But, again, all that is distraction, or strawman tactics to avoid the real issue with me. You're lying and fraudulent about having a proven 1800 watt output/300 watt input generator. Prove that. Be a man and back up your statement.

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Old 10-24-2018, 04:41 AM
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Turion,

Mr. Potato Head says such an experiment as you described would only demonstrate braking torque due to Eddy currents and core loss. You would need a sensitive torque transducer to actually see the cogging torque. If the drive motor isn't too noisy you might be able to see current ripple caused by cogging. But you knew that, right?

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Old 10-24-2018, 05:57 AM
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You are wrong in so many ways, but I have no more time for this nonsense.
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Old 10-24-2018, 01:49 PM
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There were at least a dozen people who posted videos of this concept back in the day, including myself and UFO. All of them prove the concept works, but Mr Potato Head ďKniwsĒ it doesnít. He has magical powers. LOL.

Time after time this guy says things donít work that I have seen working on my bench for YEARS. It it wasnít so ridiculous it would be funny.

Thanks for posting the video. Just more proof that he has no clue what he is talking about.
Hi Turion,

That is incorrect. I know exactly what I'm talking about. You don't know what I'm talking about. This is what I meant when I said I didn't want to educate you so you could understand what's really happening.

I never said you couldn't eliminate cogging. And yes, you can see the results on your test bench. What I'm telling you, and is fact supported by numerous authors and texts, is that cogging or the elimination of cogging makes no difference to the generator under load at operating speed.

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Old 10-24-2018, 02:16 PM
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Bi,

All your effort?

Why?

Your time?

It makes no sense...

Who would even care?

Unless it' s your job...

It is isn't it?

Yes...

We all know...
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