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Old 08-06-2018, 11:39 PM
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Let's look at what Turion posted

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Did I EVER say it would put out more than comes in when directly connected to ONE battery?
Yes, that is what I've been talking about.

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... And this is clear "proof" that the Matt modified motor does indeed have greater output than input.
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I have said for a long time that Mattís motor put out more than goes in, ...
Guys,

This is so very wrong. The power output from the motor is zero. There is no load on the shaft. By definition output power = zero.

On the video, we see some discrepancy between the meters and scope. But either way, 35.75W(rms) on the scope or 16.84W on the PS/Fluke, there is power going into the motor.

Power in. Zero power out. There is more power into than out of the motor.

True there is a short period where current reverses as indicated on the scope trace. So for that short time there is power from the motor to the PS. But it is a small fraction of the total power from the PS into the motor and is accounted for in the rms value indicated on the scope.

The peak of the current waveform is like 6 amps. This is well above the PS limit of 3A so the PS cuts back. This and the spikes occurring when the motor coil disconnects cause some odd behavior and meter readings.

Turion can preach all he wants, but he is misinterpreting data causing him to believe he has free energy.

I for one would like to carry on with the experiments. Maybe we can learn something.

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Yes it does. And this is clear "proof" that the Matt modified motor does indeed have greater output than input.

And is there a conspiracy afoot to hide this video?
Why we wonder.....

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Actually, when Luc was contacted he was gracious enough to share the link so it could be published here. It had already been posted on the Basic Free Energy Device thread months back. He could have locked the YouTube video if he wanted to keep it hidden.

I have said for a long time that Mattís motor put out more than goes in, which is why Matt designed molds to pour a ferrite core for the razor scooter motor. We believe that with ferrite cores it will be even MORE obvious. Just another project on my list of things to get done. I printed one of the molds but it has disappeared in the confusion of moving.
It is obvious that from the bold underlined comment and context (luc's video was only about the motor and did not have 3 batteries) that you spoke of Matt's modified motor by itself. You can wiggle all you want, but I made it clear that I was talking about the motor alone and not the 3 battery system. I try to stay clear of battery systems as there are just too many variables. Notice that I only chimed in and requested proof and evidence when you made over unity claims on motors and generators independent of the 3 battery system. Just like your motor generator claim of 2kW out using 300W input. No mention of batteries there, right?

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Old 08-07-2018, 01:26 AM
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ANY motor connected directly to a battery sends the input power to ground. The discussion has ALWAYS been about running the Matt motor on a potential based system rather than a stock motor because if the advantage it gives in THAT situation. That was my initial objection to YOUR replication that started this whole debate in the first place. Remember that? I never intended for anyone to run the Matt motor as a stand alone motor connected to a battery. NEVER. You can spend the rest of your life searching the forums and will NEVER find a single sentence where I talk about running that motor connected directly to a battery. And I NEVER stated that run that way it would deliver more out than put in. All my references to the Matt motor have ALWAYS been in the context of running it between the potentials. I have never run it any other way and never will. Those words NEVER came out of my mouth. If YOU interpreted it that way and that is the basis for your disagreement with my statement about the Matt motor, then there has been a major misunderstanding. But then I really donít give a crap. Time and time again I have spoken of the effect the motor has on the charge battery when runon this system, but you see what you want to see.
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Old 08-07-2018, 01:59 AM
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ANY motor connected directly to a battery sends the input power to ground. The discussion has ALWAYS been about running the Matt motor on a potential based system rather than a stock motor because if the advantage it gives in THAT situation. That was my initial objection to YOUR replication that started this whole debate in the first place. Remember that? I never intended for anyone to run the Matt motor as a stand alone motor connected to a battery. NEVER. You can spend the rest of your life searching the forums and will NEVER find a single sentence where I talk about running that motor connected directly to a battery. And I NEVER stated that run that way it would deliver more out than put in. All my references to the Matt motor have ALWAYS been in the context of running it between the potentials. I have never run it any other way and never will. Those words NEVER came out of my mouth.
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You saw the video of Tin Man’s test of Matt’s motor and Luc’s test of Matt’s motor, so you have the evidence right in front of you. ...
You were certainly willing to accept Luc's and tinman's tests using a single source as valid when you thought their data supported more power out than in. Only after it was demonstrated that input power was higher did you all of a sudden put the split potential requirements on your claims.
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If YOU interpreted it that way and that is the basis for your disagreement with my statement about the Matt motor, then there has been a major misunderstanding. But then I really don’t give a crap. Time and time again I have spoken of the effect the motor has on the charge battery when runon this system, but you see what you want to see.
What do you think gotoluc and Tinman were doing? Testing the motor by itself because that is what you and Matt were claiming was putting out more than input. You're caught so now you change your story. Well it doesn't make any difference if the source is one battery or combination of three. The output is never going to exceed the input power.

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... it is the GENERATOR that determines success or failure. ...to have a generator that outputs significantly MORE power than is needed to run it. ...
BINGO!!! That's what I want to see. The generator with higher output power than input power.
You were talking about a standalone generator.

Again, the system connected to the generator (motor, one battery, 3 batteries, load or whatever) isn't going make it deliver 2kW with less than 300 watts input.

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Old 08-07-2018, 02:21 AM
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Just want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts input. When I use the Matt modified motor my amp draw is higher, but because I run it on the 3 Battery system, I can recover better than 80% of the input energy. No farting smelly machine needed to run the generator. ...
This sure sounds like you're referring to the standalone generator.
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:06 AM
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think what you want
Iím done arguing with you.
The sad thing here is that the real loser is you and possibly those you convince not to spend their time on this.

The truth will come out eventually. Thatís all that matters in the long run
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:12 PM
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Not arguing with Turion, but

Can anybody tell me where this BS statement originated or what logic would lead someone to believe such a thing?

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ANY motor connected directly to a battery sends the input power to ground.
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The term "ground" is being used to describe the negative terminal connection to the battery. A reference to ground is used to note any place on an automobile chassis which connects the negative terminal of the battery as an example. We could run a single wire from the battery positive any place that needed power then simply use the "ground" reference as its return to the neg of the battery.
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The term "ground" is being used to describe the negative terminal connection to the battery. A reference to ground is used to note any place on an automobile chassis which connects the negative terminal of the battery as an example. We could run a single wire from the battery positive any place that needed power then simply use the "ground" reference as its return to the neg of the battery.
Thanks dragon, but I know the definition of ground. Actually it is arbitrary and can be defined as any particular node in a circuit. Knowing that, how does it help explain Turion's statement: "ANY motor connected directly to a battery sends the input power to ground."

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I simply interpret it to mean that it is neutralizing the battery charge as would any circuit connected to a battery. Assuming, "Input" being the positive connection, "ground" being the neg return.

I can understand the skepticism on claims being made but it seems a bit trivial to spend time this way. We've lived this long without that particular technology so if it works great, if it doesn't ... oh well... their success or failure doesn't really effect us, what we do ourselves does. I have plenty of projects that will keep me busy in the meantime.
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When I put my volt meter on a battery, what am I measuring?
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When I put my volt meter on a battery, what am I measuring?
You are measuring the potential difference (also called voltage) across the battery terminals.
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:53 AM
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I have not run the generator with a modified motor in a really long time. Hereís why. When I first replicated the little two coil unit run with the modified motor that Matt built, it worked. So I tried to build a 12 coil machine run by the same motor. The amp draw burnt the motors up. So I got another one, rewound it, and burnt it up within a couple days. It made NO SENSE to me to go through all that work of rewinding the motor and then have it burn up, so I resolved to use STOCK motors until I was sure I had the magnetic cogging issue solved. I even went to a rewound MY1020 and burnt it up. I still have it, minus some chunks of the commutator that blew off when it arced. So the numbers of 24 volts at 12 amps are running a STICK MY1020 on my big 12 coil machine with magnetic cogging eliminated. If you build the generator I detailed in the video the amp draw will be LESS. I guarantee it!!
So after all that crap Turion gave me about my test being invalid because I used a stock motor (not the Matt modded motor), it turns out that he (Turion) uses a stock motor. Allllrightyyythen.

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Stockmotor ? You bet

Yes I do use a stockmotor, but I am NOT running the generator on a 3 Battery setup either. It is a prototype test setup and I am working with it as a STAND ALONE device. I run tests and want the fewest variables possible when I do that. If you want the BEST results, use ALL the right parts. Or DONíT. I could really care less WHAT you do.
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Yes I do use a stockmotor, but I am NOT running the generator on a 3 Battery setup either. It is a prototype test setup and I am working with it as a STAND ALONE device. I run tests and want the fewest variables possible when I do that. If you want the BEST results, use ALL the right parts. Or DONíT. I could really care less WHAT you do.
When you ran the test which gave 2,000 watts output from the generator, were you using a modified motor or a stock motor with the 300 watt input?
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Generator output

The generator output is not dependent on the MOTOR other than the rpm it turns the generator at. Both modified and stock motors can deliver the rpm necessary for the generator to put out 2000 watts. Probably lots of other motors can too. And they will probably ALL do it for less than 400 watts input to the motor, IF magnetic cogging is eliminated. The advantage the modified motor has when run in the correct circuit is how much of that 400 watts can be RECOVERED and reused. That’s all. It isn’t magic. It isn’t the ONLY motor that will run the generator. It is just the most EFFICIENT method I have found. If you’re only going to build a one or two coil generator, you need to take advantage of every trick we have found. If you’re going to build a 10-12,coil generator, all the little tricks aren’t necessary, but they DO improve your overall COP.

I have gotten over 2000 watts out of the generator with the stock MY1016, the modified 1016, the stock MY1020, and the modified MY1020. I have also burnt up all four kinds of motors when there was too much magnetic cogging. There have been fmany different versions of my generator, and I have probably tried all four possible motors on all of them at one time or another to see what would happen. It isn’t like I only burnt up ONE rewound motor and then quit using them.

If you’re going to try to get the recovery circuit working efficiently WITHOUT the Matt motor, you are on your own.
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The generator output is not dependent on the MOTOR other than the rpm it turns the generator at. Both modified and stock motors can deliver the rpm necessary for the generator to put out 2000 watts. Probably lots of other motors can too. And they will probably ALL do it for less than 400 watts input to the motor, IF magnetic cogging is eliminated. The advantage the modified motor has when run in the correct circuit is how much of that 400 watts can be RECOVERED and reused. Thatís all. It isnít magic. It isnít the ONLY motor that will run the generator. It is just the most EFFICIENT method I have found. If youíre only going to build a one or two coil generator, you need to take advantage of every trick we have found. If youíre going to build a 10-12,coil generator, all the little tricks arenít necessary, but they DO improve your overall COP.

I have gotten over 2000 watts out of the generator with the stock MY1016, the modified 1016, the stock MY1020, and the modified MY1020. I have also burnt up all four kinds of motors when there was too much magnetic cogging. There have been fmany different versions of my generator, and I have probably tried all four possible motors on all of them at one time or another to see what would happen. It isnít like I only burnt up ONE rewound motor and then quit using them.

If youíre going to try to get the recovery circuit working efficiently WITHOUT the Matt motor, you are on your own.
So, again, you are saying that the motor driving the generator can be "any" electric motor. And that your generator will output 2000 watts while requiring the motor to use 300 or 400 watts of input power. That is a incredible claim. Again I ask for proof.

BTW, your use of the term "magnetic cogging" infers it is the load torque. It is not. There are good definitions on Google search for "magnetic cogging in generators". There are also a couple of excellent papers on the subject listed on the first Google page.

Carry on,

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Hey bistander,

I can appreciate what your saying in some of your posts but if you only argue theory with someone your never going to change your mind. Even if they gave you proof I'm not even sure that would change your mind either.

So I think the only real solution is to just build something small to prove the principle to yourself. If the reason for not building something is because of financial outlay then save up for parts for the small one. If you don't find the results to be satisfactory or in keeping with whats been mentioned then sell your parts, yeah you'll make a loss on it but probably not that much. To be honest there's probably people on here who would buy them from you. The actual risk of taking on the project isn't really that big in the grand scheme of things.

I can see your trying to catch Dave out on any little thing he's saying but what is the endgame of that? In my experience it doesn't really get you anything. There's so much information and other replicators out now to make one and even some underlying theory to help you understand it. Come on have a go!

Can I ask what your background is?

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So, again, you are saying that the motor driving the generator can be "any" electric motor. And that your generator will output 2000 watts while requiring the motor to use 300 or 400 watts of input power. That is a incredible claim. Again I ask for proof.

BTW, your use of the term "magnetic cogging" infers it is the load torque. It is not. There are good definitions on Google search for "magnetic cogging in generators". There are also a couple of excellent papers on the subject listed on the first Google page.

Carry on,

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Hello Bi,

I am not sure why you are being deliberately obtuse. Dave has several times explained why he has used different motors for different purposes. It all depends on what he is trying to accomplish. And all of his testing is for the purpose of trying different things to see what works best. He has found some things that work better than others and freely shared those results.

Dave knows exactly what magnetic cogging is. He has also explained that many times on this and other forums. He is clearly referring to the attraction of the rotor magnets to the cores of the generating coils. NOT the torque load of the Lenz effect. And he has a proven method for eliminating that cogging. I know it is proven because the first prototype that Matt designed he sent to me and I assembled it and with a couple of hours of adjusting proved you could reduce the current draw considerably by reducing the magnetic cogging.

Please read Dave and Matt's posts in the context of earlier posts. Just picking a post without understanding the context of earlier posts and then criticizing it is not helping anyone.

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Dave knows exactly what magnetic cogging is. He has also explained that many times on this and other forums. He is clearly referring to the attraction of the rotor magnets to the cores of the generating coils. NOT the torque load of the Lenz effect.

[....]

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Hello Citfta, hello All,

Well...sorry to jump in all the sudden, but I've been reading all this OPEN discussion here, just to follow and learn, however after reading your above statement between cogging and Lenz...I feel kind of confused, so please correct me in the event am wrong.

I will start by my understanding of "Magnetic Cogging":

As I understand, magnetic cogging relates to PERMANENT MAGNET ELECTRODYNAMIC MACHINES ONLY. As it could ALSO relate to the MOTOR COGGING and NOT ONLY RELATED TO GENERATORS.

Magnetic Cogging takes place NO MATTER IF MACHINE IS LOADED OR NOT (Understanding General Term "machine" includes MOTORS and/or GENERATORS)

Now, LENZ LAW applies ONLY when Generator is LOADED, understanding it is a REACTION OR REACTIVE FORCE against previous FARADAY POSITIVE INDUCTION LAW.

If We have an ELECTROMAGNETIC ROTOR AS EXCITER in a given Generator (and NOT PERMANENT MAGNETS)...as long as we don't apply an ELECTRICAL LOAD at gen output...there would be EXACTLY; ZERO MAGNETIC COGGING.(this is NOT ON DEBATE, AM SURE OF THIS FACT, SINCE I HAVE TESTED IT MANY, MANY TIMES...only the typical friction plus weight of rotor...and brushes if not brushless is all We feel.)

Now...Am I correct so far?

Thanks in advance for your assistance Citfta...I feel our discussions on a type of Forums like this should always be done for the greater education and enlightenment of our readers/viewers...no matter if logged in members or just visitors.


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Hey bistander,

I can appreciate what your saying in some of your posts but if you only argue theory with someone your never going to change your mind. Even if they gave you proof I'm not even sure that would change your mind either.

So I think the only real solution is to just build something small to prove the principle to yourself. If the reason for not building something is because of financial outlay then save up for parts for the small one. If you don't find the results to be satisfactory or in keeping with whats been mentioned then sell your parts, yeah you'll make a loss on it but probably not that much. To be honest there's probably people on here who would buy them from you. The actual risk of taking on the project isn't really that big in the grand scheme of things.

I can see your trying to catch Dave out on any little thing he's saying but what is the endgame of that? In my experience it doesn't really get you anything. There's so much information and other replicators out now to make one and even some underlying theory to help you understand it. Come on have a go!

Can I ask what your background is?

Best
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Hi N,

Hard for me to know how long you've been following this. But please review this. 3 Battery Generating System.

Here I built and tested, documented and presented, the system Turion recomended. Instead of reasonable discussion, it quickly deteriorated into insults and personal attacks towards me. Nobody else has built and posted results on that system.

I also comment about some of my experience in that sequence. But I have said before, look at the content of my posts. What difference does my background make?

All I am after here is one specific thing. The motor/generator test with 2000 watts output power and 300 watts input power. Turion claims he has done this. Such a machine would change the world. Yet, apparently, he has it packed away in a box.

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Hello Bi,

I am not sure why you are being deliberately obtuse. Dave has several times explained why he has used different motors for different purposes. It all depends on what he is trying to accomplish. And all of his testing is for the purpose of trying different things to see what works best. He has found some things that work better than others and freely shared those results.

Dave knows exactly what magnetic cogging is. He has also explained that many times on this and other forums. He is clearly referring to the attraction of the rotor magnets to the cores of the generating coils. NOT the torque load of the Lenz effect. And he has a proven method for eliminating that cogging. I know it is proven because the first prototype that Matt designed he sent to me and I assembled it and with a couple of hours of adjusting proved you could reduce the current draw considerably by reducing the magnetic cogging.

Please read Dave and Matt's posts in the context of earlier posts. Just picking a post without understanding the context of earlier posts and then criticizing it is not helping anyone.

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Respectfully citfta,

Obtuse or not, Turion claims he has a machine which outputs 2000 watts while using only 300 watts input. I want him to stand behind his claim and prove it. What's wrong with that?

And I have been reading his threads for many years. I know what he says.

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The generator output is not dependent on the MOTOR other than the rpm ... generator to put out 2000 watts ... ALL do it for less than 400 watts input to the motor, IF magnetic cogging is eliminated. ...
It doesn't appear so.
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Greetings! I say this from the bottom of my heart. I will NEVER lift a finger to prove anything to you.
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Hey bistander,

I saw what post you sent me to on the 3bgs thread and followed what you did. Its a joke to be honest. You said you wanted reasonable discussion and they tried to provide you with answers. Why didn't you just make a modified motor?

Looking at the content of your posts you seem to say big words but its basically you going on google and looking at the first thing you see to make you sound like the big man. The reason I ask about your background is so I can be certain of your experience. Since you have not said anything apart from something to the effect of - you worked with some motors.

Your a troll plain and simple, if you can genuinely point me to some credible published work you did ill listen to you. As it stands see you around.

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Hey bistander,

I saw what post you sent me to on the 3bgs thread and followed what you did. Its a joke to be honest. You said you wanted reasonable discussion and they tried to provide you with answers. Why didn't you just make a modified motor?

Looking at the content of your posts you seem to say big words but its basically you going on google and looking at the first thing you see to make you sound like the big man. The reason I ask about your background is so I can be certain of your experience. Since you have not said anything apart from something to the effect of - you worked with some motors.

Your a troll plain and simple, if you can genuinely point me to some credible published work you did ill listen to you. As it stands see you around.

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Turion has said it doesn't need the modified motor. He didn't specify the motor when he posted the diagram and told people to make it with parts they had.

I know motors. The modification to that motor is terrible. I resist building junk. We have just seen two guys test the modified motor and confirm this. I don't think it would run in that circuit. Nobody has shown that it will.

What benefit is there for me to build something I know will fail? It is up to the guy making the claim to support the claim.

And what answers did I get. They could not even tell me the objective of the test. Matt started to build it but quickly stopped and never finished. Turion, like always, claims he did but recorded no data or photos.

You ever think that I am the voice of reason, logic, fact and truth and Turion and Matt are the bad guys?

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bi
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same question baack

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You ever think that I am the voice of reason, logic, fact and truth and Turion and Matt are the bad guys?

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bi
bi,

What benefit is there for us If we believe you?...

There is no "bad guys". just independent researchers who could not get along well.

I understand where you are standing, but to keep insisting for proof of someone who has a conflict of Interest isn't really smart.
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bi,

What benefit is there for us If we believe you?...
Hi ricards,

Thanks for the civil questions. Benefit? Fact. Truth. And please, don't just believe me. Look it up. Research it. Try it. At least think about it.

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There is no "bad guys". just independent researchers who could not get along well.
Bad guys. Ever notice that I don't namecall and try to be polite. Bad guys were not the first words which came to mind, but I was hoping to make a point without falling to the level of Matt. He is outright vulgar.

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I understand where you are standing, but to keep insisting for proof of someone who has a conflict of Interest isn't really smart.
Everytime I request proof of evidence is when Turion makes the claim of an over-unity machine. I honestly do not see what's wrong with that? After all these years of bad physics and bad math and excuses, anybody else starting to think they are mistaken about their claims? I do.

I don't understand what is the conflict of interest. Please explain.

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bi
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Can't you tell?

Bi,

I dunno but I can clearly tell that He (turion) instinctively wants to tell what he knows yet his plans on his machine tells him not to.

I did try and researched, and found that there really is something worth looking at the a pulse motor in a 3 battery arrangement.

There is nothing wrong about asking for proof, whats wrong is to ask it repeatedly to someone who clearly doesn't like you. I know this a Open forum where an Open discussion should takes place, but see there are just some people who likes to draw little circles around them and shoo away those they don't like, they were Mean to you, you should've taken the hint.

I should mention too, that a single battery and a pulse motor with generator coils. Ala bedini style.. It is worth something, just not that something you could use large scale. But its still there, the concept that is the recovery of electrical energy after using it to generate mechanical motion
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There is nothing wrong about asking for proof, whats wrong is to ask it repeatedly to someone who clearly doesn't like you. ...
Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate your opinions.

What I believe is wrong is to repeatedly make the claim which is clearly wrong, false or mistaken. So I challenge BS. I ask intelligent pertinent questions, point out errors in logic, math and theory and request discussion. That is why they don't like me. I'm sure they do like those who agree with them and prefer to surround themselves with a fan club.

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Congrats.

If their claims are true they've got about the most valuable device on the
planet. World fame assured!!!!!
Well done guys.
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