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Works the same either side

https://youtu.be/Ra4NErHztDk


Great Ron, NOW you have it (partially) as indicated on K. Hay's Claims!!

Still You have to specify what LEVER RATIO (Based on Axis Point Positioning) You are utilizing in that setup.

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Lets see if I have this right... you want me to build an exact copy of a non-existing device?

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Ron,

Nope, I will make it right for you...

I just want you to, whatever you show results for, to be BUILT EXACTLY ACCORDING to whatever you are REPLICATING.

If You are following EXACT SPEC'S, as proposed by Kevin Hay's Design, THEN, there is absolutely ANYONE, ANYWHERE, Who could say You have it wrong, and that is - THE REASON - why it does not operate "accordingly" to WHATEVER WAS CLAIMED.

It is just about a BASIC REPLICATING PROCEDURE Ron, in order to make all your effort to be WORTH IT, HENCE IRREFUTABLE/INDISPUTABLE.

Understand it now?

I am completely on YOUR SIDE Ron, as I am also a Proven Builder here...AND, I have also made Replications before.


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Good to see we are on the same page!

OK the math for the 5;1, 2000 pounds... it will be for a distance of 0.01 inches (10 thou)
I don't see how I can build a crankshaft that small???

Edit: Just being silly... put in your own numbers, LOL, but you do understand the above attachment?

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Kool. Nice job, Ron. It appears you added some weights to the left end of the beam to compensate for relocation of motor's mass.

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Thanks Bi,

Yes, actually the numbers are a noticeable bit worse as with adding more weight I have to increase the input (actually, lighten the load)

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Thanks Bi,

Yes, actually the numbers are a noticeable bit worse as with adding more weight I have to increase the input(actually, lighten the load)

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Ron, please help me out of my ignorance here...

According to your build now, setting motor closer to wheel...you had to add more weight on the other side of lever, in order to "balance" the weights...correct?

This added weight is doing absolutely no Output work whatsoever, but just serving as a balance...besides increasing the Input Energy... correct?

But isn't that "added to balance weight" taking away force from the executing side of the lever?

According to the simple lever formula, by using a longer arm (D) we need very little effort (Force "f") to move a much heavier weight, except that distance being moved (d) would be smaller than the travel distance (D) we need to apply on our side.

Then just "adding weight" on the other -executing- side of lever, just to compensate/balance...BUT without making any work directly on Force (F) execution...isn't this balancing weight, taking away force that could be applied DIRECTLY to make the real OUTPUT work we are looking for?

The way I see this Equation, is that FIRST we must have EXACTLY the NET Output Force Required (F) on the execution side of the lever, in order to then set our lever lengths RATIO and minimal force to apply at our end, and so, that way we do not need to add any weights just to balance the whole lever.

Like I've said before...please, correct me if I am wrong...


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Ron, please help me out of my ignorance here...

According to your build now, setting motor closer to wheel...you had to add more weight on the other side of lever, in order to "balance" the weights...correct?

This added weight is doing absolutely no Output work whatsoever, but just serving as a balance...besides increasing the Input Energy... correct?

But isn't that "added to balance weight" taking away force from the executing side of the lever?

According to the simple lever formula, by using a longer arm (D) we need very little effort (Force "f") to move a much heavier weight, except that distance being moved (d) would be smaller than the travel distance (D) we need to apply on our side.

Then just "adding weight" on the other -executing- side of lever, just to compensate/balance...BUT without making any work directly on Force (F) execution...isn't this balancing weight, taking away force that could be applied DIRECTLY to make the real OUTPUT work we are looking for?

The way I see this Equation, is that FIRST we must have EXACTLY the NET Output Force Required (F) on the execution side of the lever, in order to then set our lever lengths RATIO and minimal force to apply at our end, and so, that way we do not need to add any weights just to balance the whole lever.

Like I've said before...please, correct me if I am wrong...


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Hi Ufo and Ron,

Hope you don't mind if I chime in. Let's use this diagram from KH which Ron attached several posts ago.



Let's call the right side side 1 and the left end side 2. Then we can use the equation: F1*D1=F2*D2. D is the distance of the lever arm, or from the pivot to the point where the Force reacts or is applied. D1 is pivot to wheel bearing = 5 ft. (I just choose feet for distance units). On the other side of the beam, D2 = 1 ft.

For simplicity and just this example, let's ignore the mass of the beam, links and hardware, and load. Then F1 = 20 lbs, the 10 lb wheel + 10 lb weight. F1 direction is vertical, downward. (Note the beam would tilt, weight on wheel would rotate to 6:00 o'clock position and arm-crank on side 2 would be fully extended). F2 can be calculated from the equation and F2 = 100 lbs, vertical, upwards, acting against the crank on the shaft of the load.

The system is motionless. How do we start it? Apply input. The motor belt or otherwise coupled to the wheel on side 1 is the prime mover. So we turn on the motor. It rotates the wheel. The wheel rotates the 10 lb offset weight around the bearing at point D1. This causes a centrifugal force acting at D1. Motion of the beam will occur when the centrifugal force exceeds F1 or 20 lbs.

How fast does the wheel need to rotate to produce a centrifugal force greater than 20 lbs? How many RPM? Ufo was kind enough to give us that equation when he first joined this discussion.

Now, when you do away with my simplification assumptions and use real values for the weights and distances, I am pretty sure that you will see that Ron would need excessive (dangerous) speed to move the beam with the imbalanced wheel had he not balanced the beam to lower the initial F1.

Am I correct Ron?

(Also note that in my simplified example I used linear calculations and relationships for distance and force. In reality angular or polar relationships need be used for high accuracy unless the working movement is very short. The concept should be evident.)

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Hi Ufo and Ron,

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Now, when you do away with my simplification assumptions and use real values for the weights and distances, I am pretty sure that you will see that Ron would need excessive (dangerous) speed to move the beam with the imbalanced wheel had he not balanced the beam to lower the initial F1.

Am I correct Ron?

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Hi UFO and Bi and all,

This is my view at the present. Supposedly the teacher has an OU machine?
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I would like to present my idea of how Kevin Hay’s MAGIC device works,

As has been discussed, the correct formula should include the radius, so Ma2r

Using the Calc Tool,CalcTool: Centrifugal force calculator
I input the radius of 16 cm (.16m) angular speed in RPM’s, 351 and mass, 1 kg, changed Centrifugal force to Kg-Force and hit calculate... and the resultant? 22Kg’s Force.

Now despite the implication, this is not a continuous force. At 9 o’clock and 3 o’clock there is no input to the device. The vertical input to the beam thus starts at zero, with the weight at 9 o’clock and rises sinusoidally to the full 22 Kg’s at 12 o’clock before reducing to zero at 3 o’clock.(CW rotation)

However it has driven the beam up. The beam is of course subject to the first Law of Motion. The beam is counter balanced and so not subject to Gravity. Only the weight is subject to gravity. Therefore the downward pulse from 4 o’clock onwards is required to set the beam in downward motion. But then again the downward motion of the beam must be arrested and the motion reversed. Thus the weight will probably be at 11 o’clock before there is enough Force input to achieve this. This reluctance of the beam to rapidly change direction is of course Inertia.

It would be fairly safe to say that the up motion imparted to the beam occurs between 11 o’clock and 1 o’clock while the downward motion of the beam occurs between 5 o’clock and 7 o’clock. Thus the beam is driven upwards for 1/6 of a revolution and downward for 1/6 of a revolution. One revolution at 350 RPM is about 171 mS (milli seconds) so 1/6th of that is 58 mS for the up pulse and 58 m seconds for the down pulse.

A further implication was that doubling the RPM quadrupled the force. True to a point, except the pulse length is cut in half so the 87 Kg’s of force is only applied for 29 mS.

Thus the 120 horse power at 6000 RPM is beyond reason, as inertia, friction, and load will have brought the beam to a quivering stop long before that moment. The input pulse while massive would be so brief as to render the beam unable to respond. Keep in mind that massive forces require a massive build which leads to greater mass which leads to greater inertia and so on.

Then comes the fantasy that a lever will increase the Force. Again, true to a point, but subject to the formula F1 X D1 = F2 X D2. A 2:1 lever doubles F but reduces D to one half so the energy is always in balance (subject to friction and other losses).

My build demonstrates the above nicely. The travel of the beam is reduced with increasing RPM or increasing load. It requires increasing input for increasing RPM or increasing load such that an output of 30 watts requires an input of 125 watts

Edit: Please note that I do recognize an inertial force that seems to make the beam follow the weight... but it is seemingly not a major component so did not include that in my discussion.

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Nice write-up Ron. Like that calculator. Centrifugal force is a lot higher than I expected.

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Nice Couple of Posts Guys!

Thank to both of you, Bistander and Ron,

Excellent posts, great and easy to understand explanations as examples!!

Well, this is it...no sense in applying magnetism if mechanical and simplest test failed.

This is what I guess happens when we start thinking and writing up too much without real lab testing backing up whatever we are putting together in our minds and on paper, one step at a time...I mean, paper takes all you write on it...but real models do not.

I have put the basic design in movable CAD Models...and I have also noticed all this huge disadvantages...

I was just interested in looking deeper into this when it was brought over here...it seemed interesting.


Have a good one you both!


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Thank to both of you, Bistander and Ron,

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This is what I guess happens when we start thinking and writing up too much without real lab testing backing up whatever we are putting together in our minds and on paper, one step at a time...I mean, paper takes all you write on it...but real models do not.

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Have a good one you both!

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You hit the nail on the head! Nice working with you both.

This was just another one of those intriguing devices that I had high hopes for. Visiting with Kevin and hearing all his ideas was fascinating. But at the end of the day I couldn't make it work... nothing new there. Good job I recycle or my trophy shelf, when it fell on me, would be my end...LOL

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Great discussion!!!

Thanks to all involved in this discussion. I am so glad we could all come to the same understanding about this device. These kinds of discussions are what I was hoping this thread could be about when I started it. You guys did great! A solid technical discussion without any bashing or name calling. Just a rational discussion of the evidence presented with pros and cons as to what it meant.

Thanks again to all of you.
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Thanks to all involved in this discussion. I am so glad we could all come to the same understanding about this device. These kinds of discussions are what I was hoping this thread could be about when I started it. You guys did great! A solid technical discussion without any bashing or name calling. Just a rational discussion of the evidence presented with pros and cons as to what it meant.

Thanks again to all of you.
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My pleasure Citfta (for my small part on the discussion)

But really thinking deeply about it again...I came to think We all could've been missing "something" very important which we all lack to even think about when discussing Kevin Hay's Design...




















Maybe We all should have taken some of Kevin Hay's Ormus Island Compound...and maybe that way it will open some intra-dimensional gates, taking our knowledge BEYOND Classic and Rational understanding...

Then get to "see things" we may have missed before...



Don't you all think so?!



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My pleasure Citfta (for my small part on the discussion)

But really thinking deeply about it again...I came to think We all could've been missing "something" very important which we all lack to even think about when discussing Kevin Hay's Design...

Maybe We all should have taken some of Kevin Hay's Ormus Island Compound...and maybe that way it will open some intra-dimensional gates, taking our knowledge BEYOND Classic and Rational understanding...

Then get to "see things" we may have missed before...


Don't you all think so?!


Respectfully and Sincerely

Ufopolitics

Surprising that you should recognize our search for Free Energy is in actuality a thinly disguised search for spirituality.

But we should take care not to follow false paths.

Here is what Dave Lawrence (Awaken to vibration) says about ormus:

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Ormus will push the frequency upwards without regard to the life path balance.
It will force the higher frequency onto the physical body.

This may be used to glimpse the balance, or it can cause a greater imbalance where the physical looses communication with the astral body and attached to the counterfeit Ormus energy instead. That would create a dumb enlightenment with little personal intelligence.

This is like following a false savior off into endless paths that go no where, in the bliss state of the higher light with no form.

To actually ascend you must integrate to your own higher light self, and not to a bunch of atoms of Ormus.
However it does give you an introduction to the experience of the "rush" of the integration process, or resolving all lower emotions, into one stream of a higher energy state.

The key then, once you have experience it, is to then do it without the Ormus, using your own higher self.
Other wise you have a new addiction, and eventually will again spin wildly out of balance and loose your center, descending back down into animal level consciousness totally.


There is a difference in previewing the light, and in becoming it.
As the difference in previewing a strong healthy muscle, or having it on your body in working order.
When it is yours, it empowers you.

Some people are sold on the Ormus path, and have gotten extremely high frequency results in the body. It is powerful stuff, but then it wears off.

You can get similiar with MMS, or even Coilodal silver. MMS is intense for a short time, Coloidal Silver lasts longer but feels heavier. Ormus also wears off.


Take care,

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Mention spirituality and I killed the list... it all went quiet! sorry, LOL

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everyone who pays attention...
knows there is MUCH more to this world than meets the eye ...its like the tip of an iceberg.


here is something which rings very true

and lines up with recent thoughts on the TPU ...very simple thoughts but tricky to do ,hopefully Fernandez very simple suggestions/build will take the tricky outta the equation .

Timing is very important IMO

Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy

Fernandez post number 261 ...

Edit... also post 246 mentions a few other details.



have a good day All

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Another missionary telling A but not B ???
"Just take a tire jack"
"So its up to you and figure out if the primary's should be CW or CCW"

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A resonator by its nature has certain requirements to work or resonate.
the fact that Fernandez offers the Clamp suggestion does make coil flipping an easy task.

seems a brutally simple concept meant to open eyes ?

I agree with your half measures comment ?
people feel what is in their head should just appear in others [soo simple guys ??]

hopefully
he will post a block schematic [although he would probably scream Look at the Tesla schematic??.
My mind races to too many other places and could use more specific "images".

but that's me ...maybe others can see this??
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the thing is...recent conversations on the Steven Mark MO
are dancing all around this Fernandez very simple claim !!

hopefully Zeitmachine or others can get a simple block schematic from him.



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Fernandez must know his claim is very simple to investigate [with a few more details]
the skills to manage this resonator build [ frequency sweeping... nano pulsing etc etc] and investigate the claim are all in place.

and as always
open source

would not take much time at all but could take forever if running down the wrong rabbit hole
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... this Fernandez very simple claim !!
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Fernandez must know his claim is very simple to investigate ...
Hi RAMSET,

I'm lost. What is the claim?

But an interesting post linked. Finally someone who appreciates Lenz's Law.

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I see Allen's total nonsense post below...is a written untruth a Lie ??


Allen
Instead of lighting fires everywhere to distract...[example your lies ,fabrications and assumptions below ]

look at your own contributions.

and BEG scrutiny, don't shun it.....

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Two atoms were talking.

First one says "I just lost an electron."

The second one asks "Are you positive?"
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Carroll,
Your post brought to mind something I ave been thinking a LOT about over the last few years
What is Electricity?

"Electricity is quite simple: "electricity" is just the flowing motion of electricity! Electricity is a mysterious incomprehensible entity which is invisible and visible, both at the same time. Also, electricity is both a form of energy and a type of matter. Both. Electricity is a kind of low-frequency radio wave which is made of protons. It's a mysterious force which cannot be seen, and yet it looks like blue-white fire that arcs across the clouds. It moves forward at the speed of light... yet it sits and vibrates inside your AC cord without flowing forwards at all. It's totally weightless, yet it has a small weight. When electricity flows through a light bulb's filament, it gets changed entirely into light. Yet not one bit of electricity is ever used up by the light bulb, and all the electricity flows out of the filament and back down the other wire. College textbooks are full of electricity, yet they have no electric charge! Electricity is like sound waves, no no, it's just like wind, no, the electricity is like the air molecules. Electricity is like cars on a highway, no, the electricity is the speed of the cars, no, electricity is just like "traffic waves." Electricity is a class of phenomena ...a class of phenomena which can be stored in batteries! If you want to measure a quantity of electricity, what units should you use? Why Volts of electricity, of course. And also Coulombs of electricity. And Amperes of electricity. Watts of electricity and Joules, all at the same time. Yet "electricity" is definitely a class of phenomena; merely a type of event. Since we can't have an amount of an event, we can't really measure the quantity of electricity at all... right? Right?"
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Hey Dave,

You're making my head hurt!

You are seriously correct though. We know a lot about electricity and at the same time almost nothing.

I am still tinkering away on a few projects when I have time. Nothing exciting to report.

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In reality, this is only for those who are GENUINELY interested in generating free electricity.

Cheers,
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Today, Kevin Hay has posted the following on his Facebook page:
(there are also images with these posts which you can view on his FB page)

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http://www.energeticforum.com/…/1193...cussion-proje…

Ron has not been paying attention.
I do not use pulleys.
They key is unrestricted movement allowing for the inertial change in direction to be leveraged twice, allowing for the leverage of the square of force to be used as an inertial compression derivative.
Unrestricted motion allows for an inertial increase in force relative to the mass in motion. This mass can be made to run in a nonlinear accelerative motion which allows it to increase in velocity with absolutely no resistance.
The increase in velocity is also an increase in the electrogravitational field displacement, acting and working as AC current does, through initiated imbalances in the existing gravitational field.

Electricity is a gravitational imbalance, an imbalance in the electrogravitational field that results in a flow or flux, as water moves to fill a "hole" created in it.
Electricity is a reaction that is initiated when this flow stops or slaps, reflects or refracts, the reaction observed being the stationary flux, an electroSTATIC field reaction, static meaning stationary.
This is the Zero-point, a stationary point in a moving system.
Ridiculous, is it not?
Look at a pendulum.
The point where the pendulum changes direction is the zeropoint, the point where the pendulum hangs in a momentary motionless state comparative to the field, matter and energetic potential existing around it.
This is the point where this imbalance in electrogravitational potential can be extracted through the opposing polar value.
The opposite reaction to any and all reactions is how we use this, as an echo, as a doppler refracted field reaction showed Henri Poincare over 115 years ago.
It was Henri's work that was stolen and plagiarized by Albert Einstein.
This is the field equation for light, for electricity, for atomic bonds in matter and cellular interferometry.
It is also the provisionary tool for the induced electrogravitational field effect.

You can test this yourselves using the information that has been provided here on my page.
This is why Facebook Security was asked to hand over the task of reviewing my page to the Department of Homeland security via the NSA.
They contacted me here on my computer over 3 years ago and acknowledged that my page here was the most informative page that they had seen on Facebook.
Test the functions.
Learn how to effectively apply the reactions to self sustained values, such as food production and the transportation of goods.
This is where I am applying this information the most effectively, through the agricultural production that can be achieved through the use of the atomically inverted noble metals, these Ormus elements that we are extracting here at Vancouver Island Ormus.
Atomically separated noble metals are inductive electromagnetic capacitors. These high spin torsion capacitors are like tiny flywheels, inducing the torsion reaction as a scalar derivative, a magnetic wave reaction based on polar rotation as a clockwise or counter clockwise derivative. This represents the polar ambiguity of the magnetic field effect as a positive or a negative field function.
It is really quite simple.
Polar field reactions can be split and inverted, refracted and induced into a stationary reaction, as an electromagnetic value.
This is as easy as watching moving water.
This is as easy as one two three.
This is as easy as applying gravity.

We do not need to continue using water as a conduit for this reaction.
Nikola Tesla could have taught this simply, however he was not a teacher.
He was an engineer who could see these reactions in his mind as I can and he had little confidence or patience for the rigours of academia that ignored these reactions.

These fundamentals are basic.
I have shown a step by step procedure for learning this from the ground up yet few will take this time and do their own due diligence.
It is so very sad to see so many intelligent minds that have the capacity for not only understanding this, but amplifying the intelligence by applying their own ideas into these reactions, ignoring these reactions entirely and instead supporting centuries old theoretical projections that can be irrefutably disputed by using simple tools like balloons, magnets, coils and levers and wheels and pendulums.
I see few scientists today that can even make a Leyden jar let alone explain the process for inductive transfer without using terms like photons, electrons, gravitons, leptons, ions, and the rest of the particle based interactions that have been used to hide the non disclosed and still classified electrogravitational reactions.
Wups.
Now disclosed and declassified.

Now how hard was that?


Kevin Hay: Do not restrict the wheel or the motor with rubber bands.


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It isn't easy telling people things that they don't want to hear.
It isn't easy showing people what they have been taught to fear.
It isn't easy reminding people of what they already know.

It isn't easy knowing this, or sharing information so....

Those who test the functions can easily follow them.
Those who follow theory will continue to ask how and when.
Those who apply functions can gain from this experience.
Those who fail to even test this will simply die in ignorance.

For people growing food this will come with no surprise or fear.
They already know that to do this work means to do or die here.
We learned to use the functions when we came out of the caves.
Those who are applying this now know what and how this saves.

We create our future now by creating ripples in time.
We can use this information. I share it as it is not mine.
It was shared with me one day, not so long ago.
I am showing others how to stand up now, stand up and say no.

These lies have continued for long enough, how long I cannot say.
All I know is that this cannot continue, not for another day.
Energy is all around us. It is not electricity.
Electricity is the reaction that is created when movement stops.
it is stationary.

I can now see this information constantly.
I have been shown how to use it. It can set humanity free.
This can be taught to children, some as young as three.
It all starts with walking, falling and the static electricity.

We can show this using levers and wheels, both motive and stationary.
When people can properly apply this function, it will replace what we call money.
The production values are what we need to live independently.
The truth be told, if people had this now...
Most would just go and watch t..v.
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Wrongful blame

I ported this post over here to make my reply because Ufopolitics said he'd delete it after I had a chance to read it. He did not want to disrupt dyetalon's ferrolens thread. I agree that his post is off-topic for that thread. And his post is the same crap he has whined about numerous times, typically pointed towards me. I feel I have countered his ridiculous claims with common sense and logic, but still he wrongly puts the blame for all the world's woes on electric machinery and associated science and technology.

Here is his latest. Posted about an hour ago on this thread:
about the Ferrocell (ferrolens)

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I am sorry to disrupt here Dyetalon,

But I could not hold back to answer Iamnuts about his post below...



It is a shame that an old -supposedly "respectable"- man, in all his years lived...who has created many new generations along the years, grandsons, grand daughters...and maybe even great-granddaughters/grandsons... can still NOT "see" what WE, (all Researchers, Inventors, Replicators plus Developers) on this Forum...are searching for.



Yes, there is indeed a lot of HI-TECH going on around these days...EXCEPT, AND IT IS JUST A HUGE SHAME...

That after having SO MUCH STATE OF THE ART on Electronics, Cybernetics...High Tech Communications, etc,etc...

WE ARE ALL STILL DEPENDENT UPON THE FREAKING FARTING, LEAKING AND STINKING DAMN MACHINES!!!

WE TRANSPORT ON THE DAMN MACHINES!!!

WE FLY, WE RUN WE SAIL "THANKS" TO THE DAMNED MACHINES!!!

ALL OUR WARS -WHERE MILLIONS DIE- ARE FOUGHT BECAUSE OF THE DAMNED BLACK STINKING AND POLLUTING FLUIDS!!!...JUST TO "CONQUER" MORE AND MORE "RESERVES"...YEAH BABY DRILL!!

ALL THE PLANET'S ENERGY COMES EXACTLY DEPENDENT UPON FARTING MACHINES!!!...EVEN A NUCLEAR PLANT, DEPENDS UPON A FARTING GENERATOR TO GET IT "STARTED"...OR OTHERWISE IT WILL NEVER WORK!!!

YEAH!!...OF COURSE YOUR GRANDPA...AND MANY GENERATIONS BACK...HAVE NOT SEEN "ANY MAJOR CHANGES"...AND OF COURSE HAVE NOT DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT IT!!

If You are so happy with what we all have so far...THEN WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE?

Same question applies to Bistander?

If the way you guys "think"..that every thing is "just fine and dandy"...then WHY THE F*CK ARE U ALL HERE??!!

Only answer is JUST to disrupt beautiful Threads like this one, maybe under the payroll of someone else...or really just "for free"

THE POINT BEING THAT NONE OF YOU TWO have absolutely NADA TO OFFER, but to "disagree"...or simply and "generously" offer other "ideas"...where such "ideas" just takes Us all and AWAY from the "RIGHT PATHS"

My apologies Dyetalon, I will delete this post AS SOON AS the "involved" read it...

Sorry about the disruption.

Regards

Ufopolitics
So why does he think electric motors and electric generators fart, his terminology for burning fossil fuel and emitting polution? Electric machines do no such thing. Electric machines are clean, quiet, and very efficient energy converters. It is not the electric generator's fault someone chooses to power it with a combustion engine. The electric generator would be just as useful if it was powered by a non-polluting source like a wind turbine or hydro.

To address his question "WHY THE F*CK ARE U ALL HERE?"

The same reason many members come here. The search for energy and means to improve the human condition. My methods differ, but is the cause less nobel? I don't think so.

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Same arguments...same BS...over and over...

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I ported this post over here to make my reply because Ufopolitics said he'd delete it after I had a chance to read it. He did not want to disrupt dyetalon's ferrolens thread. I agree that his post is off-topic for that thread.
That's correct Bistander, that post is no longer there...and so am glad you copy-pasted here, saved me the effort to do it myself, so thanks!

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And his post is the same crap he has whined about numerous times, typically pointed towards me. I feel I have countered his ridiculous claims with common sense and logic, but still he wrongly puts the blame for all the world's woes on electric machinery and associated science and technology.
Common sense and logic??...Come on Bistander, deep inside your toughts, you know am correct, you better than anyone else knows that.

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Here is his latest. Posted about an hour ago on this thread:
about the Ferrocell (ferrolens)
Post is no longer there...

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So why does he think electric motors and electric generators fart, his terminology for burning fossil fuel and emitting polution? Electric machines do no such thing. Electric machines are clean, quiet, and very efficient energy converters. It is not the electric generator's fault someone chooses to power it with a combustion engine. The electric generator would be just as useful if it was powered by a non-polluting source like a wind turbine or hydro.
You are starting by putting the wrong words in your conclusions, and that is a known "method" you have...come on Bistander, use something else...it is getting too old by now!!

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So why does he think electric motors and electric generators fart.
I NEVER WROTE THAT!!, anyone could re-read my original post and see if they find such BS.

I know very well Electric Machines does not "fart"...HOWEVER, NO ELECTRIC GENERATOR WOULD WORK WITHOUT A STINKING FARTING MACHINE.

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The electric generator would be just as useful if it was powered by a non-polluting source like a wind turbine or hydro.
YOU ARE USING THE SAME BS AS ALWAYS, Bistander...WHERE is all your "common sense and logic" NOW?

WIND PLUS HYDRO are completely Geographical DEPENDENT NATURAL SOURCES...

There is not always "wind" to blow a generator with enough power...and it don't work with just a "breeze"
PLUS, there are only certain specific GEOGRAPHICAL ZONES all over the world, where STRONG winds are present in a higher percentage.

Hydro?...EVEN WORST EXAMPLE!!, Hydro requires FIRST, AN ELEVATION, THEN THE SPECIFIC WATERFALL...PLUS ALL LOGISTICS TO INSTALL THEN MAKE IT WORK...A whole "project" only possible by being sponsored by BIG CORPS...maybe EXXON MOBIL would do it?...

How about a FLAT Dessert, or a Flat Valley..NONSENSE, BS, and more BS?

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To address his question "WHY THE F*CK ARE U ALL HERE?"

The same reason many members come here. The search for energy and means to improve the human condition. My methods differ, but is the cause less nobel? I don't think so.

Regards,

bi
More BS... NOW, how many HERE would believe you are for real?

Just answer question below

How many THREADS have you started HERE, where you can show Us...just ONE PROPOSAL to start at least a ONE FREE ENERGY PROJECT?...No matter how small it would be?

ABSOLUTELY ZERO

Anyone could check out your profile...started threads...NONE.

However, if we look at all your posts...ALL OF THEM ARE DISRUPTIVE, DECEIVING, RIDICULING THE OP, PLUS ALL HIS IDEAS AND WORK... AND I CAN CITE SO MANY, JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE ALWAYS DOING IT IN ALL MY THREADS.

However, I could not care less...am still going forward and your disruptions do not affect me at all...know why?...Just because I am VERY SURE about what I have experimented, and what I have to expose here.




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Electricity Production

Just want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts input. When I use the Matt modified motor my amp draw is higher, but because I run it on the 3 Battery system, I can recover better than 80% of the input energy. No farting smelly machine needed to run the generator. These are FACTS. Whether you choose to believe them is up to you. For ten years Matt and I have attempted to get people to think outside the box and see what we are talking about. It has been a terrible WASTE of our time, as is this post. A couple people will get there eventually because they have all the pieces even if they haven’t quite got them all together. Eventually the reality of how electricity actually works will find its way out there.
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Just want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts input. ...
Please show us proof of this simple claim:

Input power = 240 watts

Output power = 1800 watts

Simultaneously measured, real power, DC amps * DC volts or AC watts.

Been waiting a long time to see this.

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I NEVER WROTE THAT!!, anyone could re-read my original post and see if they find such BS.

I know very well Electric Machines does not "fart"...HOWEVER, NO ELECTRIC GENERATOR WOULD WORK WITHOUT A STINKING FARTING MACHINE.
...
Then why did you bring it up in a thread where the discussion was all about magnetism and electric machinery and the science and technology associated with electric machinery and magnetism? That was the context.

And you're wrong. Many electric generators work without a stinking farting machine. And the number of those clean powered electric generators increases every day.

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