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Old 10-10-2017, 12:58 PM
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Magnetic force is not "Henrys". It is not measured in "Henrys".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2xEKH4qdc


Here's an example of a bifilar coil in self resonance that is spontaneously building a magnetic field that is measured in "Negative Micro Henrys":
Obvious attempt to sidetrack or hijack a thread. Sorry AB, I'm not replying there. We've been through it before. Nothing has changed.

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T. Reed

Hey Chet,

I noticed that you started a thread about a Clem engine effort by Tom Reed, aka Tommey Reed, Tommey L. Reed or Tommey Lee Reed. Be warned. He is vile and disgusting and stupid. Worse than BM. Please don't invite or encourage him here. I stay far away from the guy. My past experience tells me he is a danger.

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I have to be honest here.

never had an issue with Tom

But I have never shown anything But gratitude for his years long research and efforts .
I would imagine tens of thousands in time and money has gone into this ...
and here he just shares no strings attached?

open source ,and he is by no means a wealthy man ....I don't believe he even advertises on his You tube ??

I honestly believe the Clem engine was not a scam .
my personal opinion is a cavitation event is at play ??

to my Knowledge there is no one else working on the Clem design and sharing their work [quite dangerous], and lately Science is pointing to anomalies that were heretofore considered Blasphemous in the Halls of Universities .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE

it is good you express your opinions and experiences ,however
he is building and sharing work which may open a door to better understanding.
this we cannot afford to dismiss .

just one mans opinion.

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I will not be around to discuss this too much ,tons of work to do here...
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paper on compact acoustic inertial confinement technology.
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-342/aflb342m669.pdf
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:00 PM
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Obvious attempt to sidetrack or hijack a thread. Sorry AB, I'm not replying there. We've been through it before. Nothing has changed.

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@bistander,

An Amp meter has a minus sign; Is that equally insignificant or does it act as a meaningful value?

Have a look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIeRR6NjMPQ

Hob Nilre's version of Lorentz's force law:

Magnetic force equals copper mass times watts!


Here's another question; What happens to a coil's inductance when a powerful magnet is placed close to it?

I can help answer this one for you, and I want you to put thinking cap on.

Coil inductance lessens in the presence of a permanent magnet field. The decrease in inductance can be used to measure the strength of the magnet field. Try and understand that. The negative inductance is a measure of the magnetic field strength in adjacency.

Look at Gotoluc's schematic below; You can see how his coil inductance drops as he closes his magnet space gap:
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Old 11-01-2017, 08:09 PM
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Microvolt thanks

http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-342/aflb342m669.pdf

there will be a multiforum open source investigation of this peizo tech and iron!! [in water too]
can you help?[Build with support ??]
if so Please PM me... or Email at Chetkremens@gmail.com

suddenly this thread is handling many important issues [and that's a good thing].

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Old 11-01-2017, 08:45 PM
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Negative Inductance.

@bistander,

I have an experiment for you if you own an inductance meter; Wind a small coil, air core or ferrite. Measure the inductance in Henrys. Place a permanent magnet close enough to the coil to lower the inductance to zero.

Finally, while your inductance meter is reading zero, place an additional small magnet on the first one and watch what happens to your inductance measurement.

Any negative inductance measurement from your meter can be relied on to be in direct proportion to the Gauss strength of the added magnet!
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Old 11-01-2017, 09:18 PM
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@bistander,
... The negative inductance is a measure of the magnetic field strength in adjacency.
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So how do we get a negative inductance ?
Initially this seems to be impossible:

passive, absolute, negative devices cannot be built in real life just like that, because they do not

comply with the conservation-of-energy-principle. Negative devices do not spend energy instead

they would generate energy.

In other words with such a negative device, you could drive a perpetual motion machine.

So the question is:

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How do we solve a problem that cannot be solved ?
From:

https://4gang.wordpress.com/how-to-b...ve-inductance/

And even though it is called an ammeter or amp meter, it is a device used to measure current. The unit for current is the Ampere. Since the meter is used to measure current in a circuit, the resulting quantity does include a negative sign when the measured current flow is in the opposite direction from the indicated polarity of the instrument. This is not "negative Amps".

How did that transmutation test go..... Like I need to ask. You're just funnin' with us, aren't you?

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Old 11-01-2017, 09:25 PM
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https://4gang.wordpress.com/how-to-b...ve-inductance/

And even though it is called an ammeter or amp meter, it is a device used to measure current. The unit for current is the Ampere. Since the meter is used to measure current in a circuit, the resulting quantity does include a negative sign when the measured current flow is in the opposite direction from the indicated polarity of the instrument. This is not "negative Amps".

How did that transmutation test go..... Like I need to ask. You're just funnin' with us, aren't you?

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@bistander,

1.-Following your line of reasoning, there's no difference between the north and south poles of a magnet because they're both magnetism.

2.-You can't generate a negative inductance out of thin air, it takes power in the proportion described by Lorentz.

3.-The transmutation test may amount to perhaps the greatest scientific discovery of all time, depending on the outcome. I may choose not to go public with the results, due to the possible destabilizing proximate consequences; Like the sudden and catostrophic collapse of our commodity markets!
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Old 11-01-2017, 09:56 PM
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Chump?

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Following your line of reasoning, there's no difference between the north and south poles of a magnet because they're both magnetism. Get a life chump!
Whereas you would say you got your positive Webers on the North and the negative Webers on your South pole, right? Who's the chump?

Attempting a serious discussion with you is pointless. I believe you actually thought you transmuted copper into molybdenum. You don't have a connection with reality, do you? Just leave me alone.

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Old 11-01-2017, 10:02 PM
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Whereas you would say you got your positive Webers on the North and the negative Webers on your South pole, right? Who's the chump?

Attempting a serious discussion with you is pointless. I believe you actually thought you transmuted copper into molybdenum. You don't have a connection with reality, do you? Just leave me alone.

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@bistander,

Webers Shmaybers.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:27 PM
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webers shmaybers. You're a nitwit.
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:11 PM
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Hall effect sensor.

@bistander,

Tell a differential Hall effect sensor to detect Webers alone and not magnet polarity because you feel they shouldn't
show any difference.
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Old 11-02-2017, 06:58 AM
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Agilent 2009 Impedance measurment handbook on why the meter shows a negative value.
When that happens you switch to capacitance. This is the procedure it states:

The measured inductance (Lm) rapidly increases as the frequency approaches the SRF because of the effect
of resonance. The maximum Lm value becomes greater as the device has a higher Q factor.
At frequencies above the SRF, a negative inductance value is displayed
because the Lm value is calculated from a capacitive reactance vector, which is opposite to inductive vector.

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United States Patent Number 512,340
COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS
Nikola Tesla, Inventor

""Figure 1 is a standard pancake coil (many Tesla coil builders are familiar with this style). Figure 2 is a bifilar coil, the crux of the patent is where Tesla winds a dual wire and then connects the ends in a series (an interesting experiment for coil builders).
Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil""
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:13 PM
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Agilent 2009 Impedance measurment handbook on why the meter shows a negative value.
When that happens you switch to capacitance. This is the procedure it states:

The measured inductance (Lm) rapidly increases as the frequency approaches the SRF because of the effect
of resonance. The maximum Lm value becomes greater as the device has a higher Q factor.
At frequencies above the SRF, a negative inductance value is displayed
because the Lm value is calculated from a capacitive reactance vector, which is opposite to inductive vector.

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United States Patent Number 512,340
COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS
Nikola Tesla, Inventor

""Figure 1 is a standard pancake coil (many Tesla coil builders are familiar with this style). Figure 2 is a bifilar coil, the crux of the patent is where Tesla winds a dual wire and then connects the ends in a series (an interesting experiment for coil builders).
Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil""
@Mikrovolt,

The schematic you're showing is of an LCR resonant circuit and the recommended procedure for measurement with an inductance-capacitance meter. Please explain what bearing this has on the reduction of coil inductance from the spacing of a permanent magnet?

When the inductance meter registers a negative inductance value, it shows that the coil has reached the level
of saturation, and is building a magnetic field at frequencies above the coil's self resonating frequency. The procedure then calls for switching the meter to capacitance to continue to measure the charge in the capacitor in farads.

This procedure substantiates my claim.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:20 PM
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Henrys and magnetic force

@Mikrovolt,

I'm doing tests right now on the effect of permanent magnet force on coil inductance. I'm testing a single wire coil on a ferrite core.

Member bistander quoted himself in comment #961 above on this thread stating that: "Henrys are not a measure of magnetic force". That's true, I have no problem with agreeing with that. I never stated that was untrue.

My point all along has been that the negative or inverse Henry is a measure of magnetic force, not the Henry!

Let's say for the sake of argument that I measure an inductance of 200 milli Henrys in a ferrite core, single wire coil, then attach a few ceramic block magnets to each end of the coil and core and remeasure the inductance at 100 milli Henrys.

Now we have minus (-) 100 milli Henrys. The negative 100 milli Henrys is in direct proportion to the strength of the permanent magnet force applied to the coil. What is it that you two fail to understand about this inverse proportion?

The example you copied and pasted of the LCR circuit above would require two formulas to factor the negative mH into electrical units; Henry's law of induction and our Lorentz force law. The capacitor charge in farads has a direct electrical equivalent and is simpler to deal with, or we could use the other factor.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:31 PM
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Quadfilar magnet force and negative inductance.

Here's a practical example of how negative inductance can measure magnet force in an adjacent coil:

The Quadfilar has two series bifilar coils wrapped together. We can measure the inductance in the first coil, then input current into the second; then we can remeasure the inductance in the first bifilar and the difference will equal the amount of field force in the second.

We could also measure the inductance in the second coil then measure the current and calculate the magnet force that way. Measuring amperage can get tricky depending on the amount of current, and rather then risk blowing the amp meter fuse, we can more safely measure the inductance difference in the adjacent coil, and accurately calculate the magnet force that way.

We can calculate the amperage in the second coil, knowing the inductance, with the negative inductance factor from the first as well. These factors should become as easy to handle with a little practice as Ohms law: I=V/R.

The negative inductance measurements will work equally well in the two wire bifilar also.
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Member bistander quoted himself in comment #961 above on this thread stating that: "Henrys are not a measure of magnetic force". That's true, I have no problem with agreeing with that. I never stated that was untrue.

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@seaad,

I like the way you equated Henrys of inductance with (magnetic force). This comparison has caused controversy in the past.


"Henrys (magnetic force) as big as possible".
Appeared that way.

And I quoted you in my post #961 and that quote from you happened to contain a previous quote from bistander. Hardly was I quoting myself.

You can't keep your story straight for more than a few minutes, can you?
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Old 11-02-2017, 10:46 PM
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Dead AA battery inductance.

I just tested a dead 1.5 volt AA battery for inductance, while fooling around, and it measured a whopping .35 Henrys! This battery appears to have the potential to turn into a very powerful magnet. I need more time to think about this. I wonder how a person would go about that? I'm going to try and sleep it in a stack of powerful permanent magnets and see what happens.
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Allen I see as the new battery's ability to ring better than a spent
battery. The encrustation of oxidation impairing the crystals in the emulsion.
The complex chemical state can described using quantitative properties
combination of internal resistance and reactance where internal resistance + reactance, or (L+ C), equals impedance. John B demonstrated growing crystals
next to a magnet had an effect of purifying the crystal. He seemed
interested in this. I have heard of putting liquid batteries on paint shaker.
Of course we also discussed the Cardone acoustic study above.
This is one the synchronism lately that was shared between threads.
Another was the argon gas and neutrinos.

With the bifilar the quantitative SI units henry property has been difficult for
experimentors so backing up to the days of Coulomb because of the K would allow more to follow in simple bridge design however with chaos it takes
precision of Daniel Kepplner with hydrogen maser also not garden variety.
I do see that a standard bifilar reactance at 1 Mhz being a conservative
model as a starting point when I modified a Boonton meter years ago.
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Allen I see as the new battery's ability to ring better than a spent
battery. The encrustation of oxidation impairing the crystals in the emulsion.
The complex chemical state can described using quantitative properties
combination of internal resistance and reactance where internal resistance + reactance, or (L+ C), equals impedance. John B demonstrated growing crystals
next to a magnet had an effect of purifying the crystal. He seemed
interested in this. I have heard of putting liquid batteries on paint shaker.
Of course we also discussed the Cardone acoustic study above.
This is one the synchronism lately that was shared between threads.
Another was the argon gas and neutrinos.

With the bifilar the quantitative SI units henry property has been difficult for
experimentors so backing up to the days of Coulomb because of the K would allow more to follow in simple bridge design however with chaos it takes
precision of Daniel Kepplner with hydrogen maser also not garden variety.
I do see that a standard bifilar reactance at 1 Mhz being a conservative
model as a starting point when I modified a Boonton meter years ago.
@Mikrovolt,

Can you upload a scope shot?
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Sorry to read the above Turion...You are one of the best researchers and builders that I have seen so far around here (besides me, of course..., just kidding!!)...so, it is sad to see you are disappointed at your development.

What we all have to realize is that this is a long and very rough path we are following...it is FULL of obstacles, disappointments and frustrations...but, think about the reward if we succeed?...see the HUGE CHANGE We will be spreading out to mankind!!

But you are right about being slave of this work without making a REAL living...many things get abandoned on this road...many, which mainly surround our lives.

But, you do not have to be that radical...take a brake, play some Golf...get some sun...then get back here...


Regards


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Hi Ufo,

I think Turion was being sarcastic. I think he believes he has developed the free energy device and is frustrated and can't understand why the energy users of the world have not beaten a path to his door. I, and others, have tried to explain there is no proof or valid demonstration or explanation of any benefit or value to his system or device.

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Hi Ufo,

I think Turion was being sarcastic.
Thanks Bistander,

I hope He was being sarcastic and not for real, thanks, that was a relief!!


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I think he believes he has developed the free energy device and is frustrated and can't understand why the energy users of the world have not beaten a path to his door. I, and others, have tried to explain there is no proof or valid demonstration or explanation of any benefit or value to his system or device.

Regards,

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I believe this is pretty similar to Kids and Toys...when it comes to Free Energy researchers-developers and their "toys"...

Some kids like Planes...other automobiles...or trains..or boats...submarines, etc,etc...but, whatever they like, it is very hard to find that one kid have interests for all kind of toys...

In my case, batteries are not my favorite toy...to me they are just components to any system, but do not consider them as the "center" of a Free Energy Device, however, I know I could be dead wrong in that conclusion...but, getting back to "toys"... I never liked Electro-Chemistry at all...

I love the complexity of Electro-Magnetic Machines...wherever they get attached to...those are my favorite toys...well you know that...


Thanks and Regards



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