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Old 11-02-2017, 01:13 PM
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Agilent 2009 Impedance measurment handbook on why the meter shows a negative value.
When that happens you switch to capacitance. This is the procedure it states:

The measured inductance (Lm) rapidly increases as the frequency approaches the SRF because of the effect
of resonance. The maximum Lm value becomes greater as the device has a higher Q factor.
At frequencies above the SRF, a negative inductance value is displayed
because the Lm value is calculated from a capacitive reactance vector, which is opposite to inductive vector.

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United States Patent Number 512,340
COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS
Nikola Tesla, Inventor

""Figure 1 is a standard pancake coil (many Tesla coil builders are familiar with this style). Figure 2 is a bifilar coil, the crux of the patent is where Tesla winds a dual wire and then connects the ends in a series (an interesting experiment for coil builders).
Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil""
@Mikrovolt,

The schematic you're showing is of an LCR resonant circuit and the recommended procedure for measurement with an inductance-capacitance meter. Please explain what bearing this has on the reduction of coil inductance from the spacing of a permanent magnet?

When the inductance meter registers a negative inductance value, it shows that the coil has reached the level
of saturation, and is building a magnetic field at frequencies above the coil's self resonating frequency. The procedure then calls for switching the meter to capacitance to continue to measure the charge in the capacitor in farads.

This procedure substantiates my claim.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:20 PM
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Henrys and magnetic force

@Mikrovolt,

I'm doing tests right now on the effect of permanent magnet force on coil inductance. I'm testing a single wire coil on a ferrite core.

Member bistander quoted himself in comment #961 above on this thread stating that: "Henrys are not a measure of magnetic force". That's true, I have no problem with agreeing with that. I never stated that was untrue.

My point all along has been that the negative or inverse Henry is a measure of magnetic force, not the Henry!

Let's say for the sake of argument that I measure an inductance of 200 milli Henrys in a ferrite core, single wire coil, then attach a few ceramic block magnets to each end of the coil and core and remeasure the inductance at 100 milli Henrys.

Now we have minus (-) 100 milli Henrys. The negative 100 milli Henrys is in direct proportion to the strength of the permanent magnet force applied to the coil. What is it that you two fail to understand about this inverse proportion?

The example you copied and pasted of the LCR circuit above would require two formulas to factor the negative mH into electrical units; Henry's law of induction and our Lorentz force law. The capacitor charge in farads has a direct electrical equivalent and is simpler to deal with, or we could use the other factor.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:31 PM
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Quadfilar magnet force and negative inductance.

Here's a practical example of how negative inductance can measure magnet force in an adjacent coil:

The Quadfilar has two series bifilar coils wrapped together. We can measure the inductance in the first coil, then input current into the second; then we can remeasure the inductance in the first bifilar and the difference will equal the amount of field force in the second.

We could also measure the inductance in the second coil then measure the current and calculate the magnet force that way. Measuring amperage can get tricky depending on the amount of current, and rather then risk blowing the amp meter fuse, we can more safely measure the inductance difference in the adjacent coil, and accurately calculate the magnet force that way.

We can calculate the amperage in the second coil, knowing the inductance, with the negative inductance factor from the first as well. These factors should become as easy to handle with a little practice as Ohms law: I=V/R.

The negative inductance measurements will work equally well in the two wire bifilar also.
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Member bistander quoted himself in comment #961 above on this thread stating that: "Henrys are not a measure of magnetic force". That's true, I have no problem with agreeing with that. I never stated that was untrue.

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@seaad,

I like the way you equated Henrys of inductance with (magnetic force). This comparison has caused controversy in the past.


"Henrys (magnetic force) as big as possible".
Appeared that way.

And I quoted you in my post #961 and that quote from you happened to contain a previous quote from bistander. Hardly was I quoting myself.

You can't keep your story straight for more than a few minutes, can you?
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Dead AA battery inductance.

I just tested a dead 1.5 volt AA battery for inductance, while fooling around, and it measured a whopping .35 Henrys! This battery appears to have the potential to turn into a very powerful magnet. I need more time to think about this. I wonder how a person would go about that? I'm going to try and sleep it in a stack of powerful permanent magnets and see what happens.
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Allen I see as the new battery's ability to ring better than a spent
battery. The encrustation of oxidation impairing the crystals in the emulsion.
The complex chemical state can described using quantitative properties
combination of internal resistance and reactance where internal resistance + reactance, or (L+ C), equals impedance. John B demonstrated growing crystals
next to a magnet had an effect of purifying the crystal. He seemed
interested in this. I have heard of putting liquid batteries on paint shaker.
Of course we also discussed the Cardone acoustic study above.
This is one the synchronism lately that was shared between threads.
Another was the argon gas and neutrinos.

With the bifilar the quantitative SI units henry property has been difficult for
experimentors so backing up to the days of Coulomb because of the K would allow more to follow in simple bridge design however with chaos it takes
precision of Daniel Kepplner with hydrogen maser also not garden variety.
I do see that a standard bifilar reactance at 1 Mhz being a conservative
model as a starting point when I modified a Boonton meter years ago.
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Old 11-06-2017, 04:41 PM
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Allen I see as the new battery's ability to ring better than a spent
battery. The encrustation of oxidation impairing the crystals in the emulsion.
The complex chemical state can described using quantitative properties
combination of internal resistance and reactance where internal resistance + reactance, or (L+ C), equals impedance. John B demonstrated growing crystals
next to a magnet had an effect of purifying the crystal. He seemed
interested in this. I have heard of putting liquid batteries on paint shaker.
Of course we also discussed the Cardone acoustic study above.
This is one the synchronism lately that was shared between threads.
Another was the argon gas and neutrinos.

With the bifilar the quantitative SI units henry property has been difficult for
experimentors so backing up to the days of Coulomb because of the K would allow more to follow in simple bridge design however with chaos it takes
precision of Daniel Kepplner with hydrogen maser also not garden variety.
I do see that a standard bifilar reactance at 1 Mhz being a conservative
model as a starting point when I modified a Boonton meter years ago.
@Mikrovolt,

Can you upload a scope shot?
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Sorry to read the above Turion...You are one of the best researchers and builders that I have seen so far around here (besides me, of course..., just kidding!!)...so, it is sad to see you are disappointed at your development.

What we all have to realize is that this is a long and very rough path we are following...it is FULL of obstacles, disappointments and frustrations...but, think about the reward if we succeed?...see the HUGE CHANGE We will be spreading out to mankind!!

But you are right about being slave of this work without making a REAL living...many things get abandoned on this road...many, which mainly surround our lives.

But, you do not have to be that radical...take a brake, play some Golf...get some sun...then get back here...


Regards


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Hi Ufo,

I think Turion was being sarcastic. I think he believes he has developed the free energy device and is frustrated and can't understand why the energy users of the world have not beaten a path to his door. I, and others, have tried to explain there is no proof or valid demonstration or explanation of any benefit or value to his system or device.

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Hi Ufo,

I think Turion was being sarcastic.
Thanks Bistander,

I hope He was being sarcastic and not for real, thanks, that was a relief!!


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I think he believes he has developed the free energy device and is frustrated and can't understand why the energy users of the world have not beaten a path to his door. I, and others, have tried to explain there is no proof or valid demonstration or explanation of any benefit or value to his system or device.

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I believe this is pretty similar to Kids and Toys...when it comes to Free Energy researchers-developers and their "toys"...

Some kids like Planes...other automobiles...or trains..or boats...submarines, etc,etc...but, whatever they like, it is very hard to find that one kid have interests for all kind of toys...

In my case, batteries are not my favorite toy...to me they are just components to any system, but do not consider them as the "center" of a Free Energy Device, however, I know I could be dead wrong in that conclusion...but, getting back to "toys"... I never liked Electro-Chemistry at all...

I love the complexity of Electro-Magnetic Machines...wherever they get attached to...those are my favorite toys...well you know that...


Thanks and Regards



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All,

The starter of this thread, Carroll (citfta) has suggested that I post here since he is NOT on Facebook so he can't check the source of the info I am about to present.

The information I wish to share with those who might be interested is about the use of GRAVITY to generate electricity.

Specifically, the work of Kevin Hay.

At different times, I still do regular searches on gravity machines since I have been working on a gravity powered project of my own design for about 3 years now. (almost complete)
(However, at least half that time I have been incapacitated with severe back problems and unable to do much physical work.)

Anyway, during that last search about a month ago, I came across a web site named “greenoptimistic.com”, discussing the 'Pin Wheel'.
I have seen this before but I did not check out the “Comments” then.
But this time, I did.

That is where I 'discovered' Kevin Hay.
He made absolute sense to me, in every way!
(He also blasted the **** out of all the “knockers”!)
He made several posts there, with links to some of his simple designs and he published his email address as well.
Further, he also indicated that he has shared all his simple designs and explanations on Facebook!

So there you have it!

Since all the info is GRAVITY related, I tried to inform the posters in gravity related threads but this was NOT welcome, nor was it understood!

Well, if you try to compare Kevin's designs to for example the William Skinner device, you will quickly discover that there is NO comparison!
The designs Kevin has published are so much simpler than the Skinner device that it is not funny!
The point I was trying to make was/is: why struggle with the COMPLEXITY of the quad Skinner device when you can make something a hell of a lot simpler and smaller??

Yes, I have exchanged a few emails with Kevin and I paste a copy of his first reply here which will hopefully give you some idea of the magnitude and importance of his work.
I also check his Facebook page (I use my wife's account!) almost daily as he is publishing a hell of a lot of info of all kinds!

Hello Les,

Yes, our first model was sustained at over 400 COP.
It took less than 0.1 amp at 12 volt to sustain 1.9636 HP.


I am currently working in medical agricultural production areas however I am also engineering some of my more modern methods with a Japanese company that I am partnering with.
My engineering partner works in large scale rice agriculture and drone technology so this will allow me to incorporate my work into several areas, and allow me to provide these dynamos for people working in agriculture before any other field becomes involved.

All electricity is gravitational inertia based torsion induced compression.
All of it.


This is braking planetary inertia and this is not complicated.

I have over 170 designs of workable systems just in the mechanical area alone. My basic show and share designs are based on children's ability to understand this, apply this and use it effectively.

My work is in plasma initiation.
I have several dozen easier methods to generate high voltage current Les.
If you want electricity, do what Tesla did. Tap the planet.

My systems are being applied to electro-gravitational propulsion dynamics, as some of the complex algorithms for attaining inductive inversion of gravitation are not so complicated.

If you can understand that it is gravity that moves water, then you can understand that it is also gravity that is being compressed allowing for this reaction, called phase conjugation, to induce an electrostatic inversion of gravitation.
Restricting this induces electricity.
Not restricting this allows for inductive electro-gravitational potential.

I have simple leveraged systems that can make whatever electricity you want....just put the dynamo under it and line up the crank, and place whatever mass inversion is necessary onto the oscillator.
Any size dynamo, mega watt and larger can be run...so please understand that this is what Tesla did...in reverse.


I am showing how to build an electromotive generator.
Tesla showed how to tap the planets movement and electrify it.
I am showing how to tap the planets movement, by not electrifying it and using the inertia as a torsion based electromotive reaction.
It is easier making the river any size that you need, than tailoring a new system.
All that is really required is that you correct the inversions in the schematic and allow the existing model not to fight itself.

My first electromagnetic transformer induced 100V AC on 0.000 volt.
My second one went 23 feet into the air with a 9 volt battery.
My third one induced 268V with an induction sealer and self resonated a secondary circuit with 9.6amp at 120volt AC.

By the way, I have shared all of this on Facebook and you can resource this information in the PJK Free Energy Book.
Everything that Tesla did can be accomplished much much easier by understanding torsion tensors and inertia. We can create our own electromagnetic self induced oscillator, we do not even need to tap the planet any longer.

Cheers,
Kevin


Here is a post he made a couple of days ago:
Elisha Moore. I am learning about ormus and I appreciate you promoting it. Just curious why you seem so cranky with all that good stuff you have going on. You are doing a service to your fellow man. Maybe you should be happy with that!
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Kevin Hay. 6 years without one day off and 18 hour work days take the toll Elisha. That is the easy part...people are not easy, however plants are. I have been arrested 11 times for areas that I now teach and work in, so let me just say...30 years trying to convince people that nature cannot be criminalized, has worn me thin when the majority have been arguing the existence of chemtrails for 25 years, with the evidence sits and falls before their eyes. There is also the simple fact the physics argues instead of applying, science disputes simple functions, medicine is killing people, agriculture has been poisoned, Facebook is a CIA information gathering system and people think money is real. Hmmm....Maybe I just fell into someone else's reality and lost my mind and this is all a dream, because it is really too stupid to be my reality. I could go on for days. I could go on for days about why I am so tired of discussing and explaining myself to strangers......I don't know why this makes me so impatient...perhaps it is the lack of fundamental responsibility that people will take for their actions, as most people are still looking for petitions to sign, while the boat is sinking. So, I learned how to swim...I can only save one, so which one do I choose?

Here is another one from the 19th of Jan.:
Kevin Hay added 7 new photos.
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I have nothing to prove.
The functions that I am showing and the mechanics that I am sharing do this for me.
This is the best part. I cannot refute these functions, as I try every day to test and learn how to better apply them.
That is all that I am showing here.
I am not trying to convert people or mediate discontent through usury.
I am not trying to manipulate others or convince anyone of anything.
I cannot do this. In fact, it was very difficult for me to break my own programming and move past the barriers that were taught to me as a child and through my entire adult life.
I could barely convince myself that what I was observing was possible due to the misconceptions and the disinformation that is still being taught today.
Now, I simply follow these reactions and I show some of them and explain some of these here.
I know that many people use facebook for a messenger system, for finding people when they are lonely or for hiding behind masks and becoming someone else for a time...
I cannot do this here.
I came onto facebook to share some information with people and to find out if there were others like myself among these 1 point something billion facebook users...
I have found a few other people here that have similar interests and yet very few have emerged that can accelerate what I am seeing inside of my mind.
I am hopeful that many people in the years to come can find this information and begin to test some of these very simple mechanical and electromagnetic devices as these will allow others to begin a much needed education in the forces that are generated from planetary movement, such as gravitation and electricity.
It is through understanding the force functions that control the flow of water that we can begin to observe leveraged torsion dynamics and scalar functions being split through the mechanics of molecular geometry and the phase convergence of opposing magnetic functions that invert and form the cohesion of "atoms" into matter.
I see these functions somewhat differently, as magnetic torsion tensors, as decoupled hydrogen in an atomic form, however this is not usable or testable through mechanical designs that allow people to see and learn from these simple polar inversions that induce electromagnetic compression, as gravity or inertia.
The simple fact is that we can generate electricity from a lever and an imbalanced wheel.
We can apply this system in the same manner as any hydroelectric dynamo or facility, only we do not need water for a conduit.
We never did.
Nikola Tesla and the Niagara falls project was a patronizing jump back in time, as this could have been done far easier and far less expensively by using very simple mechanical systems that could have been engineered several thousand years ago.
Easily.
So, we need to take a few moments and realize that you can't test this by reading about it.
You need a lever and a wheel.
That's it.
You can make two compression systems from any bicycle.
A fellow just sent me something similar to Veljko Milkovic's pumping system.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbkuvynok8...A0092.MP4?dl=0
Here is my first attempt:
https://www.facebook.com/TheRevLtD/v...user_video_tab
Veljko Milkovic shows how to do this using pendulums,
https://www.facebook.com/pg/milkovic...=page_internal

I could only attach 6 files from my Kevin Hay folder which currently holds 34 files.
The best thing you can do of coarse is to download everything you can directly from his Facebook page.
However, it is a start.
Get onto it!

Cheers,
Les Banki
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Hi Les,

Thank you very much for posting that additional information here. I will take time later today to study the .doc files. The pictures are a big help in understanding what he is doing. The first link with the video explains a lot also. The Facebook links don't work unless you are logged in but they will most certainly help those that use Facebook.

One of the members here (Matt Jones) had a device similar to that which he called the jumper if I remember correctly. As far as I know he did not connect it to any kind of generator as it moved with so much force it kept tearing itself loose from it's mounting surface.

Take care,
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Hi Les,

Thanks for posting that stuff as I also refuse to subject myself to fb. I read over much of the long doc. link and the diagrams. Obvious question is what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? Also, maybe citfta figure this out. He seems to rely heavily on the equation F = m * v^2. Or Force equals Mass times Velocity squared. Which is incorrect.

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Hi Les,

Thanks for posting that stuff as I also refuse to subject myself to fb. I read over much of the long doc. link and the diagrams. Obvious question is what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? Also, maybe citfta figure this out. He seems to rely heavily on the equation F = m * v^2. Or Force equals Mass times Velocity squared. Which is incorrect.

Regards,

bi
Bistander

No offence but you got the wrong attitude.
Citfta “figure it out”??? WHY citfta? WHY not YOU???
This seems to be the typical attitude of the general public.
Wait for someone else to do everything. Always someone else!

Further, you are also asking the WRONG question!
“what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? “
Well, what is stopping YOU to do just that??
I can tell you right now what it is: skepticism or disbelief which are usually the result of non-comprehension of the subject.

To sum it up: this is the general attitude virtually demanding to get served on a platter!!

I have one last question for you: If you had been ARRESTED 11 times already for things which conflicts with the interests of the SELF-APPOINTED CRIMINAL RULING “ELITE” CONTROL FREAKS, would you be willing to be a martyr by running your house or factory on “free energy”??

Kevin has been called many names but stupid was never one of them!!


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No offence but you got the wrong attitude.
Citfta “figure it out”??? WHY citfta? WHY not YOU???
This seems to be the typical attitude of the general public.
Wait for someone else to do everything. Always someone else!

Further, you are also asking the WRONG question!
“what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? “
Well, what is stopping YOU to do just that??
I can tell you right now what it is: skepticism or disbelief which are usually the result of non-comprehension of the subject.

To sum it up: this is the general attitude virtually demanding to get served on a platter!!

I have one last question for you: If you had been ARRESTED 11 times already for things which conflicts with the interests of the SELF-APPOINTED CRIMINAL RULING “ELITE” CONTROL FREAKS, would you be willing to be a martyr by running your house or factory on “free energy”??

Kevin has been called many names but stupid was never one of them!!


Cheers,
Les Banki
Thanks for the reply Les.

2 + 2 = 5. That's my new discovered equation. So take 2 dollar bills and put them with another 2 dollar bills. Now you have 5 dollar bills. Take 2 of the dollars away and then take 2 more dollars away. You have one dollar left. That is free money. Do that repeatedly a hundred times and you get $100 of free money.

Would you believe what I just wrote? Would you try the scheme?

That is what you're asking me to do. I can see a flawed equation and a stupid scheme which I know will not work. Why would I spend effort and resources trying it?

From what you relate, there are those who do believe Kevin. So my question is why haven't they built his free energy machine? Not doing something I know won't work is logical. Promoting something you do believe in and not doing it seems illogical to me.

As for my mention of citfta, it was just my way of saying hi to an old friend.

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Hey Les
I sent you an email from this site did you receive.
I would like to phone or Skye you if poss.
Could you private message me some contacts phone number email or something.
I have tried something close to this before and would like to discuss with someone before going again.
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Thanks for posting that stuff as I also refuse to subject myself to fb. I read over much of the long doc. link and the diagrams. Obvious question is what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? Also, maybe citfta figure this out. He seems to rely heavily on the equation F = m * v^2. Or Force equals Mass times Velocity squared. Which is incorrect.

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You say that F=mv^2 is false. Could you explain that. What do you think F= in terms of movement and velocity. and why do you think the current equation is false.
Not trying to criticise just to clarify
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You say that F=mv^2 is false. Could you explain that. What do you think F= in terms of movement and velocity. and why do you think the current equation is false.
Not trying to criticise just to clarify
F = M * a. Force is equal to mass times acceleration. Can we agree on that? It is known as Newton's second law of motion. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. Acceleration has units of m/s^2, or meters per seconds squared. A Force of one Newton equals one kilogram times a meter divided by one second squared. N = kg*m*s^-2.

Your equation of F = M * v^2 units reduce to kg*(m/s)^2 or kg*m^2/s^2 or kg*m^2*s^-2.

Obviously units are different between your equation and Newton's. I say Sir Newton is correct and you are wrong.

Your turn. Prove your equation correct.

Note: I have used upper case M for mass and lower case m for unit of meter to avoid confusion between the two.

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I can see a flawed equation and a stupid scheme which I know will not work. Why would I spend effort and resources trying it?
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bistander,

Thank you for confirming my suspicion and as a bonus, revealing your rather childish mentality displayed in your response for all to see!

Since this is all about Kevin Hay and his work, I let him respond in form of his FB post today.

Cheers,
Les Banki

Kevin Hay added 2 new photos.
3 hrs ·

Most humans are so full of toxic metals, parasites and chemicals that they cannot hear the music that I am listening to and singing at the top of my lungs.
Alcohol is a neurotoxin.
Tobacco is laced with over 70 toxic materials, including ammonia, formaldehyde and aluminium.
Your toothpaste contains hydrofluorosilicic acid.
Your deodorant and antiperspirants are laced with aluminium oxide.
Your food is full of chemicals and pesticides, if they are not genetically modified, which more than likely, they are.
Add to this the toxic fumes that you are breathing from fuel, chemtrails and industry.
Now...
Imagine what you are not being told.
Imagine what has been hidden and what is occurring now as I type this.
Add to this the disinformation campaign that was designed to lower intelligence here and create a trap for those that survive this industrial takeover.
Now...
WHO are you, and what the hell are you going to do about this?
Nothing.
You are going to do nothing, and let others do the heavy lifting again, aren't you?
Now you know why those of us with these answers, these solutions are walking away from the blind and ignorant masses and searching for specific people that can help in this task and rebuild this planet using the technology that we have succeeded in testing and applying here.
Most of this has been shared already.
So...
Now it is really up to you.
yes.
Just you.
Most of you have already made your decision long ago, and have done nothing to avert what some of us have seen coming for decades.
Now, those of us that have sewn our crops will begin to reap the harvest, the harvest that has been created by refusing to follow the status quo...
Which may soon be starving.
This is why I have moved away from the insufferable miscommunication systems used here on Facebook and return to my work in agriculture.
You see...
Plants do not ask questions or become confused when shown applications and materials that they can use to accelerate their cellular functions.
No, they do not argue.
They just eat this **** up!
And so should you.
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:32 AM
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bistander,

Thank you for confirming my suspicion and as a bonus, revealing your rather childish mentality displayed in your response for all to see!

Since this is all about Kevin Hay and his work, I let him respond in form of his FB post today.

...
No Les, it was about what you posted and the subject which you appear to support and promote. I answered your question and ask several of you. But you choose not to answer and instead post fb garbage. Can you not think for yourself? Does your deep spiritual insight tell you follow and believe Kevin Hay rather than Isaac Newton? Good move.

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Does your deep spiritual insight tell you follow and believe Kevin Hay rather than Isaac Newton? Good move.

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bistander,

Yes, ABSOLUTELY.
And this will end our brief "exchange", bistander!
Have a nice day!

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Hi guys,

I think I understand the points both of you are trying to make. Les, as bistander has said we both have been here for a pretty good while. I respect his ability when it comes to the math. He and I both try to point out the mistakes that are sometimes made by people trying to show what they have. There is no deliberate effort to be a naysayer just for the purpose of being negative. We both have commented many times on mistakes we see in order to help people better understand what is going on with their projects.

Now, having said that, I am intrigued by this idea. I have seen videos before that show the tremendous forces created by an out of balance wheel. I believe it is possible that this device might be able to do more than would normally be expected. My experience has been that some inventors just have an intuitive ability to design and build without being able to accurately describe what is going on with their project. I believe bistander is correct about the math. However that only means the inventor didn't know how to properly explain what is going on. I don't believe simple math can explain this device because of the swinging arm. The high level calculus that would be needed to accurately describe the forces are way beyond my ability as I have totally forgotten what little I used to know about calculus.

I am going to keep an open mind about this project until I see a build that can show the input and output power that is able to be measured accurately.

Respectfully to both of you,
Carroll
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Hi Carroll,

There was no need for you to try to explain.....
I thought it was obvious to ALL readers on this thread that I am just a “messenger” here!

In order to avoid further misunderstandings, this is where I stand.....

I am now 80 years old and I have worked with electricity/electronics since I was 13.
Yes, a professional design engineer.
No, I am NOT new to free energy work and you may remember that I have already completed (and published ) my Water Fuelled Generator Project (WFGP) about 4 years ago.
(It has been downloaded several hundred times from my 'dropbox')

So, I never had any problems with mathematics.

The simple reason I did not comment on 'bistander' claiming the formula being “incorrect” is the fact that Kevin has already explained the reason for that. (see his email further down)

Having worked on my own gravity unit design for the last 3 years or so, I am not exactly new to mechanical engineering either!
(Or the use of GRAVITY, INERTIA, CENTRIFUGAL forces and so on!)
However, this thread (or should I say MY posts here) are NOT about my design.

Kevin Hay is a genius but a loner, basically lost on Facebook but it was about the only 'outlet' he knew of.
He has been publishing his discoveries on FB for years, falling mostly on “deaf ears”.
No kidding!

He needs support and assistance to spread his discoveries.
NO, he did NOT ask me to do this!

There is something else you need to know about Kevin, if you want to understand him!

IF you had direct access to FB, you would have discovered this very quickly.

ORMUS.

In one of my emails to Kevin I mentioned that I was very familiar with it, having studied it EXTENSIVELY back in 1995, it was called ORME then.
(Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements)
Then he opened right up and sent me the following email:

Hey Les,

David Hudson knows little of these materials, as he does not ingest them or use these to enhance cognitive attraction for the information that spins around us.
It is unfortunate that he spent over 7 million dollars and failed to find an energetic solution.

Ormus materials show us how to induce planetary movement.
They show us how to transfer inertial compression dynamics from one space to another.

Ormus increases vacuum induction reactions, through phase resonant compression.

Ormus explains solar reactions, how light is induced and it shows us electro-gravitational potential, not through meta-dynamics but through the torsion induced inversion of an electrostatic function, namely gravitation.

I discovered these materials through an out of body experience.

The information that I found surrounding these materials was not accurate.

David Hudson buried these reactions under religious dogma and failed to understand the potential, or how to tap this and use it.
A profound mistake, especially for a farmer.

I decided to apply this to horticulture. This increased yields and provided a revenue stream.
I am using this revenue stream to test and design mechanical devices and apply these to electromagnetic induction mechanics.
This allows us to use our solutions for production. Maintain them. Expand them.

There is free energy. This is called movement.

What needs to be discussed is the electricity that we use, not the "energy" that remains undefined, as all matter is energy.

The relative function is E=MV squared. This is electricity and the equal and opposite back emf reaction, which is a reaction to the displacement of gravity.

Hydrodynamic reactions explain this. Falling water shows us how to electrify this.

David Hudson could have spent this money in engineering, as this would have allowed him to move forward and change the world.
David did not have the language or the understanding, so it is left to others, like myself, to share this effectively, and do this in a manner that allows others to understand, test and use these reactions, and sustain them.

Ormus allowed me to expose the fabric of space, and provide methods of testing my thesis.

Space is composed of diatomically opposed hydrogen in stasis, an electromotively induced inversion of atomic wave functions, these spinor scalar torsion functions.
Moving through space inverts this field, collapsing the inverted material by magnetically attracting the hydrogen through phase conjugation.
This is what induces the light reaction.
Hydrogen fusion is how light is formed, how matter is formed, how electricity is induced.

There will be a lot coming out over the next 15 years.
If you do not take ormus, I would suggest starting, as this can reverse aging and heal issues that have begun to spread inside of you.
These elements will remove viral antibodies, bacterium, GMO matter, aluminium and other toxic material from your body.
This will allow your body's organs to heal and detoxify.

Cheers,
Kevin

OK.
Know that Kevin Hay owns and operates 'Vancouver Island Ormus', making his own ORMUS by using electromagnetic separation methods.
Needless to say, he is not only ingesting it himself since the 29th of February 2012 but also feed it to his PLANTS and his dogs!
You can see all the pictures on his FB page!

Well, perhaps I should add that I am also 'taking' ORMUS. (with great effects!)
Are you surprised?

(NO, I did NOT buy it from Kevin since the freight charges to Australia are EXORBITANT!!)

Cheers,
Les Banki
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Old 01-25-2018, 05:22 AM
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In order to avoid further misunderstandings, this is where I stand.....
...

So, I never had any problems with mathematics.

The simple reason I did not comment on 'bistander' claiming the formula being “incorrect” is the fact that Kevin has already explained the reason for that. (see his email further down)
...

{below is from his email as mentioned above}

...
There is free energy. This is called movement.

What needs to be discussed is the electricity that we use, not the "energy" that remains undefined, as all matter is energy.

The relative function is E=MV squared. This is electricity and the equal and opposite back emf reaction, which is a reaction to the displacement of gravity.
...
Hi Les,

Your attempt to avoid further misunderstanding falls short with regards to the question of that incorrect equation from him, namely Force = Mass times Velocity squared. I see where he uses an Energy equation. But see no mention of Force. Perhaps you could explain in your own words as I did to express the reason I claimed it was wrong at the request of Mr. gsmsslsb.

Thanks in advance,

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F = M * a. Force is equal to mass times acceleration. Can we agree on that? It is known as Newton's second law of motion. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. Acceleration has units of m/s^2, or meters per seconds squared. A Force of one Newton equals one kilogram times a meter divided by one second squared. N = kg*m*s^-2.

Your equation of F = M * v^2 units reduce to kg*(m/s)^2 or kg*m^2/s^2 or kg*m^2*s^-2.

Obviously units are different between your equation and Newton's. I say Sir Newton is correct and you are wrong.

Your turn. Prove your equation correct.

Note: I have used upper case M for mass and lower case m for unit of meter to avoid confusion between the two.

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I think you are correct F=M*A The equation I was thinking of is E=1/2M*V^2.
Energy (kinetic)=1/2Mass * Velocity Squared. Energy in Joules is equal to 1/2 of Mass in kilograms times velocity in meters per second squared.

The E=MV^2 is a hybrid somehow of E=MC^2 and E=1/2MV^2.
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I think you are correct F=M*A The equation I was thinking of is E=1/2M*V^2.
Energy (kinetic)=1/2Mass * Velocity Squared. Energy in Joules is equal to 1/2 of Mass in kilograms times velocity in meters per second squared.

The E=MV^2 is a hybrid somehow of E=MC^2 and E=1/2MV^2.
There is no "hybrid" energy equation. And besides he was using Force in his wrong equation, not Energy.

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Guys,

Since I am NOT an “armchair scientist” but a DOER, I will NOT take part in your NEVER ENDING arguments about formulas and the like.

To me, the issue is very clear.
Those who argue have ZERO understanding of this subject.
Period.
End of story.

From now on, all I will do is look out for your announcements about YOUR WORKING free energy machines!

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Guys,

Since I am NOT an “armchair scientist” but a DOER, I will NOT take part in your NEVER ENDING arguments about formulas and the like.

To me, the issue is very clear.
Those who argue have ZERO understanding of this subject.
Period.
End of story.

From now on, all I will do is look out for your announcements about YOUR WORKING free energy machines!

Cheers,
Les Banki
So Les appears to say no thinking, no questions and no discussion. You have to just build it, even though you'll end up with a pile of useless junk. Seems odd he comes to a discussion board and refuses to engage in a civil discussion which I have attempted nicely. Since Les is a DOER, you'd think he'd have that teeter-totter generator about ready to start delivering free energy. So how about it Les? Show us what you have.

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Guys,

Since I am NOT an “armchair scientist” but a DOER, I will NOT take part in your NEVER ENDING arguments about formulas and the like.

To me, the issue is very clear.
Those who argue have ZERO understanding of this subject.
Period.
End of story.

From now on, all I will do is look out for your announcements about YOUR WORKING free energy machines!

Cheers,
Les Banki
Hi Les
Been enjoying the hell outta you taken the upper hand.
Thanks for the Hays stuff. I get content offline.

When you speak I try to listen with more faith because i known you
are a man who has been thru the handbooks more than me. In fact the
average fellow probably has not been thru every page of the EE handbooks,
let's face it that would take years and decades.

I am looking forward to any and all further entries that you might deem of
value so drop more in the fishbowl, I love learning.

God Bless you Les


PS Sounds like you got one working? Well not in this thread no way.
Wasting your breath. Is anyone asking? That's because they already
know. You are being corrected for an example that has not yet been
offered. Does anyone care? I do, but you understand.

I had to jump in and give you one.
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F = M * a. Force is equal to mass times acceleration. Can we agree on that? It is known as Newton's second law of motion. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. Acceleration has units of m/s^2, or meters per seconds squared. A Force of one Newton equals one kilogram times a meter divided by one second squared. N = kg*m*s^-2.

Your equation of F = M * v^2 units reduce to kg*(m/s)^2 or kg*m^2/s^2 or kg*m^2*s^-2.

Obviously units are different between your equation and Newton's. I say Sir Newton is correct and you are wrong.

Your turn. Prove your equation correct.

Note: I have used upper case M for mass and lower case m for unit of meter to avoid confusion between the two.

Regards,

bi

Hello Bistander,

I believe that Kevin is more likely referring to Centripetal-Centrifugal Forces, rather than Newtonian Forces:

Fc=m*V^2/r

Considering all his mechanical devices are based on rotating wheels, where radius must be scaled up properly as to balance all forces.

Which in the end is the same thing if we know that acceleration (a)= V^2/r , and then substitute (V^2/r) by just (a) then we will have what you are writing, or the known and simplified F=m*a.

However, if you notice on his drawing below, it is clearly defined that Kevin Hay knows that F=m*a as it is written on center-low side of image:

"FORCE IS MASS TIMES ACCELERATION"



And so, on image below he is replacing r by 2 on the left side of image formula F=m*v^2/2:



But what happens to acceleration "a" if the rotating speed v -of the whole System- reaches a steady RPM, which MUST take place when Machine reaches a Steady Normal Operation?

Acceleration becomes exactly zero, correct so far?

And so -and only according to math formula which directly relates v and a, but never in reality- then velocity "v" "should" also become zero...

But my question to you is:

Do you really believe that velocity of a steady spinning wheel is zero?... according to acceleration being zero at constant speed.

Anyways, my post here is not to start another argument about who is right and who isn't...but trying to reach a clear and sane discussion, trying to understand Mr Kevin Hay.

And Bistander...I do have my doubts about the Newtonian 2nd Law...as his "Free Fall" Calculation Method, but that is a topic to another post I will put together for you later...

Oh, and I almost forget...to remind you -btw- that I also came from Face Book...


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About "Sir Isaac Newton"...and Galileo Galilei...

Hello,

If someone have not seen the video below...and had some doubts about the discovery from Italian Scientist Galileo Galilei related to Free Falling Objects of different Mass and Volume...I highly recommend to watch it.



Now according to the repeatedly mentioned before formula from Newton:

F=m*a

Applied to the two objects on video:

The two objects falling on that video, the heavy steel canon ball and the subtle, almost weightless feathers are BOTH under the ONLY INFLUENCE of Gravity Force ACCELERATION, since chamber is at vacuum levels, so NO OTHER FORCES are acting on any of the two objects.

Now, if we say that the steel ball mass=weight=80 Lbs (Pounds)

And feathers, all together are 0.05 Pounds (and that's heavy for the actual weight of those feathers)

Now, find the Force on the Steel Ball, let's take 80 pounds to kilograms= 36.28= 36.28X9.8=355.544 N

Force on Ball is 355.5 Newtons

And so those subtle feathers Newtonian's Forces calculations are:

0.022679Kg X 9.8= 0.2222542 N

Newtonian Force acting on the feathers are:

0.22679 Newtons

Obviously, according to that formula we could throw ONE THOUSAND STEEL BALLS and still the feathers would be floating in the air...

But that is NOT REAL, both objects fall at exactly same speed, just like if they both would have IDENTICAL MASSES or Weight (same deal different names) and so, what does Sir Isaac Newton "PATCH" to "JUSTIFY MATHEMATICALLY" the Galilean proof where MASS IS NOT INCLUDED ON FREE FALLS?

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3.8) Newton’s Second Law Explains Why Objects in free Fall have Equal Acceleration

How Newton’s Second Law explains why the acceleration of all falling objects is the same (on earth).

Weight is the force due to gravity on an object. The ratio of weight to mass is the same for any object. Although a larger mass has more weight and thus more force pulling it downward, it also has more mass.

Then:

a= weight divided mass= big weight/big mass= little weight/little mass

Taken from: Physical-Science Classes
In other words...on the Second Newtonian Law, the Free Fall Calculations completely EXCLUDE Weight-Mass Parameters.

How did he figured that out?...simple, no matter how much the falling object weight would be, IF DIVIDED by its own mass, which would ALWAYS BE EXACTLY THE SAME NUMBERS...THEN, the result ALWAYS comes out to a nice number "1", no matter if they are feathers or canon balls...

Then the Formula to find the Force on Fall objects only considers Gravity Acceleration constant...multiplied by another constant which is the number 1?...Nope, actually we do not even need to show it.

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A free-falling object is an object that is falling under the sole influence of gravity. That is to say that any object that is moving and being acted upon only be the force of gravity is said to be "in a state of free fall." Such an object will experience a downward acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s.

Physics Class Room
Do you all agree with that?...and so can we all apply it to reality?...I do not think so!!!

And so, Bistander, if you agree with "Sir Isaac Newton" Free Fall Formula above, then please agree to stand under the Steel Ball falling down...and so I will choose to let the feathers fall on my face...

After all their weight divided by its mass has been "magically diminished" to exactly just a number one to both...so both would be exactly the same impacting force...correct?

Whenever You are ready let me know and I will contact Brian Cox in London... to repeat that experiment with you under the ball...

EDIT NOTE: You can NOT wear any special impact suits, nor helmets as I would not wear nothing to let feathers hit me...


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