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Old 07-19-2017, 08:43 PM
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Its been a good day to me as well.. but can't sleep wants to study..

I did state my source Eric Dollard's work, maybe your not familiar with his work?..
I actually did not learn the "Classical" or "Standard" meaning in University.. but I am learning little by little.. everything so far in studying "Dielectricity" make sense.. I'm not even sure that Exist in "Classical".

Glad to encounter a blunt person. (never really bump into one)
Yes, I saw that you were relating your interpretation of Eric's theories. I am aware of his unorthodox approach. Let's just say I don't agree with him.

The primary reason for my response to your post was to make clear to Turion that some of your statements based on Eric's teachings were contrary to convention. And if he (Turion) was indeed using an unconventional definition of energy, he needs to express that as he begins to relate his work in the field of energy to others. I saw this as a big hindrance when he was attempting to explain his system on that other forum. Members there saw someone using incorrect units for energy and therefore would not take his conclusions about energy in his system seriously. Frankly, neither do I. How can someone claim a free energy machine when they don't even know proper energy units?

If Turion would learn proper use of power and energy terminology, perhaps he could make some sensible measurements which others could understand and replicate so they (and he) could determine the true value of his efforts. All I've seen so far from him are subjective stories about batteries lasting longer. I can not recall seeing measured power in vs power out numbers from him in the couple years I've been watching. I'd like to help Turion. But I suspect he's no longer interested.

On the other hand, if you want to work with him and teach him how to do a quantitative analysis using Eric's arithmetic, please do. I'd love to see it.

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If Turion would learn proper use of power and energy terminology, perhaps he could make some sensible measurements which others could understand and replicate so they (and he) could determine the true value of his efforts. All I've seen so far from him are subjective stories about batteries lasting longer. I can not recall seeing measured power in vs power out numbers from him in the couple years I've been watching. I'd like to help Turion. But I suspect he's no longer interested.

On the other hand, if you want to work with him and teach him how to do a quantitative analysis using Eric's arithmetic, please do. I'd love to see it.

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I wouldn't dare! haha, I haven't fully grasp with eric's theories.. a lot of things make sense, but when on topic of "Moving around in time" I still don't understand nor agree which is also why I compare things with the "conventional" I do so by google and wikipedia, going back and forth It's hard but I only need to pay my time with it.

I also have been watching Turion on his project and claims. but motors, generators and batteries are out of my interest. or should I say forced it out of my interest as the project is somewhat "expensive" for what you get out of it, I'm a practical man.

also I have my own project.
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Shame on you both. How dare you sit in judgement of Turion and act
like he is a fool, unable to spell or use terms right and is unable to
measure.

Citfa, you really have scraped the bottom. You call this
an intellectual thread?

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As usual you run your big mouth without getting any of the facts straight. I did not mention your name until AFTER you butted into a discussion that clearly was NOT directed at you. As bi has already said he came over here to have a discussion without interfering with YOUR thread. But you didn't have the same respect for him. So I called you out on it. It is obvious you can't carry on an intelligent discussion about technical matters but do you have to keep attacking those that actually want to have an intelligent discussion?

So I'll say it again. If you don't want anyone talking about you then don't butt into others people's discussions and start putting them down for trying to have an intelligent discussion.

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Yes, I saw that you were relating your interpretation of Eric's theories. I am aware of his unorthodox approach. Let's just say I don't agree with him.

The primary reason for my response to your post was to make clear to Turion that some of your statements based on Eric's teachings were contrary to convention. And if he (Turion) was indeed using an unconventional definition of energy, he needs to express that as he begins to relate his work in the field of energy to others. I saw this as a big hindrance when he was attempting to explain his system on that other forum. Members there saw someone using incorrect units for energy and therefore would not take his conclusions about energy in his system seriously. Frankly, neither do I. How can someone claim a free energy machine when they don't even know proper energy units?

If Turion would learn proper use of power and energy terminology, perhaps he could make some sensible measurements
which others could understand and replicate so they (and he) could determine the true value of his efforts. All I've seen so far from him are subjective stories about batteries lasting longer. I can not recall seeing measured power in vs power out numbers from him in the couple years I've been watching. I'd like to help Turion. But I suspect he's no longer interested.

On the other hand, if you want to work with him and teach him how to do a quantitative analysis using Eric's arithmetic, please do. I'd love to see it.

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As Dave has said we have known each other for a very long time. We communicate regularly by email and sometimes by Skype. I realized a long time ago that Dave was not trained in electronics or electrical theory but he has applied himself diligently to learning all he can. He has an amazing natural ability for innovation. He and Matt have come up with ideas that have blown me away. I keep in mind when working with Dave that he may not always use the right terms but I can usually figure out what he means.

I was hoping that bistander and he would be able to have a discussion that would help Dave clear up some of his misuse of terms. So I did not enter into that discussion. It seemed like that was starting off in the right direction until it was interrupted by BM and his useless blabber.

I do believe that Dave has exactly what he has claimed in the basic free energy thread. I know some things about what he is doing that I cannot share yet until Dave says so. My role in working with Dave has usually been to help solve electronic problems or explain to Dave why I think something will or will not work.

I have found Dave to be one of the most persistent people I have ever met. He just does not give up. He will stay at his bench for hours and hours until he finds a solution to whatever problem he is working on.

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Turion,

I have no problem with that. Thanks for listening to me. Good luck.

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I was hoping that bistander and he would be able to have a discussion
that would help Dave clear up some of his misuse of terms. So I did not
enter into that discussion. It seemed like that was starting off in the
right direction until it was interrupted by BM and his useless blabber.


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I am sorry Carroll

I realize now more than ever that the written letter can so easily
be misunderstood. I hope the young men who are advanced in these
other subjects can further the work of technical expressions.

I am glad to know you and Dave are good friends, that says a lot.
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Apology accepted. I also apologize for my comments that I should have kept to myself. I broke my own rules about this thread. I am sorry.

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Apology accepted. I also apologize for my comments that I should have kept to myself. I broke my own rules about this thread. I am sorry.

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Carroll

Well I have a way of bringing out your responses that sometimes get
you out of character. I don't know why I am the way I am but one thing
I will tell you, it won't happen again with you.

Detroit has made me a tough nut that frankly I am working on.

I hear that you are advancing quite a bit yourself on these projects in
the back ground. I look forward to anything that might help me do that
project of acceleration under load. Then Turion-Man-Dave digs up the
old Tesla coil patent builds for his new coil build and with all of the
previous information plus the new I am struggling to keep it all in view.

Please be advised I have high hopes for us both in my private hours
of thought. I am going back to work on coil spools.
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Old 07-21-2017, 08:44 AM
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I often have trouble with terminology that I don't use regularly. When I use calculators
online I need to review the variables by using approximate values testing something known such as an example problem first because it is easy to confuse them.
let Wh = 2.16 and let V = 1.2 plug into web page
Watt-hours (Wh) to mAh conversion calculator

Magnetic and electric fields like to travel together in waves. The electrostatic field wave closely resembles aether in a mirror. It requires non-euclidian math because of this paradox Universities rarely explain. If only the vectors did not cross at the poles. If you rotate the vectors away from the pole they can be parallel.
vectors at pole.JPG

This bicycle wheel demonstration can build strong imagery for the concept. Chances are We also get this demo confused or forget. same thing.
It is just keep on reviewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9QSiVC2g0
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Here is a scope shot of the project I am working on. Can you guess how I am producing that signal?
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Easy

Easy one. Part G.

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HA, HA, HA,

That's a good one. Sorry wrong answer. No relation to the Figuera device at all.
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Here is a scope shot of the project I am working on. Can you guess how I am producing that signal?
You short-circuit a coil a few times at the voltage or current peak moments across it...


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Hi Gyula,

You are close, but not quite right. Although you idea sounds like something I need to try.

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Hi Carroll,

Well, okay and no offense but I do not feel like doing more guessing on your waveform.
This is an interesting test on coil shorting in a pulse motor at the sinewave peaks, hopefully it gives you useful info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxh3XnU8lko

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Hi gyula,

What my scope is showing is a pulse motor drive coil being pulsed with high speed pulses at the peak.

That is a very interesting video you posted. It most definitely gave me some ideas. Thanks for posting.

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Magnetic force is not "Henrys". It is not measured in "Henrys".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2xEKH4qdc


Here's an example of a bifilar coil in self resonance that is spontaneously building a magnetic field that is measured in "Negative Micro Henrys":
Obvious attempt to sidetrack or hijack a thread. Sorry AB, I'm not replying there. We've been through it before. Nothing has changed.

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Hey Chet,

I noticed that you started a thread about a Clem engine effort by Tom Reed, aka Tommey Reed, Tommey L. Reed or Tommey Lee Reed. Be warned. He is vile and disgusting and stupid. Worse than BM. Please don't invite or encourage him here. I stay far away from the guy. My past experience tells me he is a danger.

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I have to be honest here.

never had an issue with Tom

But I have never shown anything But gratitude for his years long research and efforts .
I would imagine tens of thousands in time and money has gone into this ...
and here he just shares no strings attached?

open source ,and he is by no means a wealthy man ....I don't believe he even advertises on his You tube ??

I honestly believe the Clem engine was not a scam .
my personal opinion is a cavitation event is at play ??

to my Knowledge there is no one else working on the Clem design and sharing their work [quite dangerous], and lately Science is pointing to anomalies that were heretofore considered Blasphemous in the Halls of Universities .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE

it is good you express your opinions and experiences ,however
he is building and sharing work which may open a door to better understanding.
this we cannot afford to dismiss .

just one mans opinion.

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I will not be around to discuss this too much ,tons of work to do here...
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paper on compact acoustic inertial confinement technology.
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-342/aflb342m669.pdf
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Obvious attempt to sidetrack or hijack a thread. Sorry AB, I'm not replying there. We've been through it before. Nothing has changed.

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@bistander,

An Amp meter has a minus sign; Is that equally insignificant or does it act as a meaningful value?

Have a look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIeRR6NjMPQ

Hob Nilre's version of Lorentz's force law:

Magnetic force equals copper mass times watts!


Here's another question; What happens to a coil's inductance when a powerful magnet is placed close to it?

I can help answer this one for you, and I want you to put thinking cap on.

Coil inductance lessens in the presence of a permanent magnet field. The decrease in inductance can be used to measure the strength of the magnet field. Try and understand that. The negative inductance is a measure of the magnetic field strength in adjacency.

Look at Gotoluc's schematic below; You can see how his coil inductance drops as he closes his magnet space gap:
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Microvolt thanks

http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-342/aflb342m669.pdf

there will be a multiforum open source investigation of this peizo tech and iron!! [in water too]
can you help?[Build with support ??]
if so Please PM me... or Email at Chetkremens@gmail.com

suddenly this thread is handling many important issues [and that's a good thing].

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Negative Inductance.

@bistander,

I have an experiment for you if you own an inductance meter; Wind a small coil, air core or ferrite. Measure the inductance in Henrys. Place a permanent magnet close enough to the coil to lower the inductance to zero.

Finally, while your inductance meter is reading zero, place an additional small magnet on the first one and watch what happens to your inductance measurement.

Any negative inductance measurement from your meter can be relied on to be in direct proportion to the Gauss strength of the added magnet!
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... The negative inductance is a measure of the magnetic field strength in adjacency.
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So how do we get a negative inductance ?
Initially this seems to be impossible:

passive, absolute, negative devices cannot be built in real life just like that, because they do not

comply with the conservation-of-energy-principle. Negative devices do not spend energy instead

they would generate energy.

In other words with such a negative device, you could drive a perpetual motion machine.

So the question is:

.

How do we solve a problem that cannot be solved ?
From:

https://4gang.wordpress.com/how-to-b...ve-inductance/

And even though it is called an ammeter or amp meter, it is a device used to measure current. The unit for current is the Ampere. Since the meter is used to measure current in a circuit, the resulting quantity does include a negative sign when the measured current flow is in the opposite direction from the indicated polarity of the instrument. This is not "negative Amps".

How did that transmutation test go..... Like I need to ask. You're just funnin' with us, aren't you?

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And even though it is called an ammeter or amp meter, it is a device used to measure current. The unit for current is the Ampere. Since the meter is used to measure current in a circuit, the resulting quantity does include a negative sign when the measured current flow is in the opposite direction from the indicated polarity of the instrument. This is not "negative Amps".

How did that transmutation test go..... Like I need to ask. You're just funnin' with us, aren't you?

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@bistander,

1.-Following your line of reasoning, there's no difference between the north and south poles of a magnet because they're both magnetism.

2.-You can't generate a negative inductance out of thin air, it takes power in the proportion described by Lorentz.

3.-The transmutation test may amount to perhaps the greatest scientific discovery of all time, depending on the outcome. I may choose not to go public with the results, due to the possible destabilizing proximate consequences; Like the sudden and catostrophic collapse of our commodity markets!
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Following your line of reasoning, there's no difference between the north and south poles of a magnet because they're both magnetism. Get a life chump!
Whereas you would say you got your positive Webers on the North and the negative Webers on your South pole, right? Who's the chump?

Attempting a serious discussion with you is pointless. I believe you actually thought you transmuted copper into molybdenum. You don't have a connection with reality, do you? Just leave me alone.

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Whereas you would say you got your positive Webers on the North and the negative Webers on your South pole, right? Who's the chump?

Attempting a serious discussion with you is pointless. I believe you actually thought you transmuted copper into molybdenum. You don't have a connection with reality, do you? Just leave me alone.

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@bistander,

Webers Shmaybers.
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webers shmaybers. You're a nitwit.
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Hall effect sensor.

@bistander,

Tell a differential Hall effect sensor to detect Webers alone and not magnet polarity because you feel they shouldn't
show any difference.
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Agilent 2009 Impedance measurment handbook on why the meter shows a negative value.
When that happens you switch to capacitance. This is the procedure it states:

The measured inductance (Lm) rapidly increases as the frequency approaches the SRF because of the effect
of resonance. The maximum Lm value becomes greater as the device has a higher Q factor.
At frequencies above the SRF, a negative inductance value is displayed
because the Lm value is calculated from a capacitive reactance vector, which is opposite to inductive vector.

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United States Patent Number 512,340
COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS
Nikola Tesla, Inventor

""Figure 1 is a standard pancake coil (many Tesla coil builders are familiar with this style). Figure 2 is a bifilar coil, the crux of the patent is where Tesla winds a dual wire and then connects the ends in a series (an interesting experiment for coil builders).
Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil""
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