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#61
08-03-2012, 12:17 PM
 Michael John Nunnerley Gold Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,193
To show how OU is achieved to really power things

Hi All

Good thread to vent a few things.

Over unity can be achieved but usually it is so low that you can't use it. This is how OU can be used but you need to use power to gain power e.g.

You can extract say 100v at micro amps, so your usable power is nearly nothing, "using plain language". Now you take 1v @ 100amps you will have 100watts of power, this is your input you have to use. Now add your motive free force of 100v you will have 101v @100amps plus your micro amps which we will discount, and so what do you have? W=A*V therefore 10.1kw. Now I know someone is going to say you can't do that, but oh yes you can, not only that you can do the same thing in a mechanical form, e.g.

A bolder of 1ton at the top of a hill has 1 person pushing it and it does not move or very little (100 amps @1v), 99 other people come to push it and it moves (100v @ no amps), the bolder now moves, but not only that it now has gone over the hill and is running down hill using it's 1ton.

Now the trick is the way you add these two things together to create more power than you used to start with.

I hope I have explained myself albeit in a very simple form "simpler the better".

So what I am saying is it is all in how you make a circuit to do what I have said, John Bedini has been saying this for years in the form of don't kill the dipole "the current you use to start with".

regards to all

Mike
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#62
08-03-2012, 04:42 PM
 boguslaw Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,494
Are you talking about resonance ? I think this term is comprehend in very narrow sense while it can be extended to circuit running almost of itself recovering most of power to power itself so a very tiny amount of additional energy from outside is required to make it self-sustaining. Danger is in runaway situation if external bit of energy is to much
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#63
08-03-2012, 10:53 PM
 shylo Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 594
to MJN

Overunity is possible but you can't use it???
shylo
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#64
08-04-2012, 12:47 AM
 Matthew Jones Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,741
Quote:
 Originally Posted by boguslaw Are you talking about resonance ? I think this term is comprehend in very narrow sense while it can be extended to circuit running almost of itself recovering most of power to power itself so a very tiny amount of additional energy from outside is required to make it self-sustaining. Danger is in runaway situation if external bit of energy is to much
Actually when you find it it is opposite of that description. It takes alot of outside energy to sustain it, and runaway situation or even a running situation is almost impossible.

Matt
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#65
08-04-2012, 03:53 PM
 jpolakow Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 152
Hi Carroll,

I just want to commend you for starting a thread where ones opinion can be shared, while still being respectful of other people with differing opinions. Far too often in this forum and in this world someone who holds a different opinion than another person is taken, as a personal attack, and people get defensive, peoples' egos come into play, and the situation quickly degenerates. It is refreshing to see a thread such as yours, where peoples ideas can be shared openly, and still be treated respectfully. I am happy to say that if more people acted with the patience, genuineness, and respect as you do, everyone's common goals might be realized much sooner. Of all the time I have seen your posts on this forum, I have never seen a disparaging remark by you. Also you have been more than helpful in helping others(including me) with their projects. Good job, your example has not gone unnoticed.

John
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#66
08-05-2012, 09:35 AM
 Michael John Nunnerley Gold Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,193

Quote:
 Originally Posted by shylo Overunity is possible but you can't use it??? shylo
Do not change my sentance, quote what I said and do not change it. I said USUALLY IT IS TOO LOW IN POWER (watts), and then I went on to say that if you can add in real power in the form of current then you can have a usable gain. Power (watts) = current (amps) X EMF (volts), 100 watts = 100amps X 1volt, 10kw = 100amps X 100volts.

If you can charge a battery over a period of time with very low current, you can then use that battery at high current output for a lesser period of time than it took to charge it, BUT, the time power factor shows a gain to what was used to charge it.

Mike
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#67
08-05-2012, 01:16 PM
 shylo Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 594
To MJN sorry

Hi Mike, sorry about that I'm not very good with computers, since I don't know how to use the quote feature,I just type your words in a short form version.
I only started on this journey a couple years ago,and have read alot.
I have a hard time with ohms law.
Does it apply to all situations, such as the so called" cold electricty"( the equal and opposite reaction to hot)
The higher the resistance , the lower the amps , the less watts.
Is there no way to reduce the R to 1 to use the full potential of the voltage
I've read many of your posts' and realize you have alot of knowledge in regards to these topics and respect what you say, that was the reason for the question.
shylo
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#68
08-05-2012, 08:34 PM
 citfta Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,323
Here's another "magical" circuit. This circuit is posted I guess because it lit some Christmas LED lights in a way that was not understood by the originator of the circuit. It is pretty easy to see what is going on with simple electronic concepts. As stated by one of the posters about this circuit it works just as well with a capacitor in place of the coil of wire and brass rod. Of course it does. The coil of wire and brass rod IS a capacitor. And capacitors easily pass AC current. If you use a larger capacitor it will pass more current. They are used for this purpose all the time in motor circuits. As also stated by one of the posters if you put a cap across the output of the bride rectifier the output voltage goes up. That is also perfectly normal. When you are using a meter to measure the DC voltage coming out of the bridge you are only getting an average because of the pulsing of the DC voltage. If you add a cap to the output the cap will charge to the peak voltage if the load is small enough. So it appears the voltage is higher when you add a cap to the output.

Also you should be aware connecting the hot side of the AC circuit back to the ground instead of the neutral is not a good idea. If you have a ground fault circuit breaker it will trip out. And if there is not a good connection all the way back to the main panel your whole circuit could become energized posing a serious shock hazard.

Respectfully,
Carroll
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#69
08-09-2012, 10:58 PM
 LutherG Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 91
Take a look at Paul Babcock's Video posted here on this forum.

I think a lot will be understood from a better vantage point by everyone if you all take a look at Magnetic Energy Secrets by Paul Babcock. I'm kicking myself for not being able to make it to the Conference... hopefully I won't miss another one...

No, I'm not selling this video, just highly recommending it! If you want to see the energy being tapped into by UFO, Bedini, Matt's charger, the 3BGS system, etc., then you will see a fine and very simple example in this video.

You can get it either here on this forum or on the new Bedini forum called Energy Science Forum.

Best regards to all,

Luther
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#70
08-25-2012, 08:46 PM
 citfta Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,323
Hi all,

Well things have gotten pretty quiet on this thread for a while. There is still a lot of enthusiasm on the assymetrical motor thread though. It has been over a month now since that thread was started and we still haven't seen any real evidence of an improved motor. We have seen a lot of people replicating and most of them have gotten them to run with a lot of torque. What seems to be missing is a basic understanding that any motor can be rewound with larger wire and fewer turns and you will get a lot more torque. Larger wire and fewer turns equals more current which is also what all the replicators are seeing. I really had my hopes up that this design might be the secret to some real power, but so far I have only seen more power generated by more current which is really nothing new.

Later,
Carroll
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#71
08-25-2012, 09:20 PM
 citfta Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,323
3bgs

Well the 3 battery generating system thread has come to life again with some promising results. It seems the kind of battery used in battery position 3 is the real secret as Dave has said all along. And most of us have been trying to find the right kind of battery. It looks like Dave and Matt have found the secret. According to the results Dave is now getting the battery in position three has to be an AGM or absorbative glass mat type of battery. Dave is now able to run his load and watch the primary batteries go up and up in charge. Congratulations Dave and Matt. I only have one of those batteries and it is too dead to work so I WILL be looking for some more at the local salvage yard.

Later,
Carroll
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#72
08-25-2012, 11:56 PM
 Rl2003 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 174
UFO's Motors

Carol,
I have rewound and made a few of these designs by UFO.
Funny he still does not use his real name?? Anyway I am still working with
this idea in hopes that it will lead to something worth while, but allways aware that it may not be as wonderful as some may hope.
I have gained some more insight to how this is working and can see if pulsed properly and with a large mass
for a motor we may be able to run to independant generators from one motor.
But this makes me ask,, why not just build a large window motor using the
Bedini Cole circuit.
No brushes and no drag?? I think time may tell.
But one thing I have learned from these forums is, if you don't build some of these
idea's and keep up, by the time someone does verify it works, you now have to go back
and try building it. In the meen time, others are going to new levels and most won't understand the"why" it works.

Never the less it would be nice to use our existing motors in this way.

Mark
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#73
08-26-2012, 04:57 AM
 freepenguin Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 52
Carroll,

Quote:
 F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER - YouTube
I've been working on this device, i.e one version of harmonic oscillation system at theoretical level. I came to conclusion that the resonance property in nature can be utilized to produce clean energy from different type of matter.

All working(?) gravity motors that known always have two components: pulser (trigger), slave (sorry for naming, I can't find the right word for it.)

F.M Chalkalis' Energy multiplier has trigger that is the two rubber wheel below the ceiling run by a motor. It keeps the huge metal sector at constant speed. The kinetic energy of the rotating sector is many times bigger than the electric energy that the trigger consume.

Here is another version of gravity motor. The Russian inventor supposedly sell real gravity motor kits for general public. However the inventor has been off radar. If you study through his videos, he used to rigid body simulation program to test his idea and building prototypes. He had two types of gravity motors. (He named them gravity wheels though.)
The bottom line is his gravity motor has one trigger (electric motor) and slave (tiny metal objects along a bicycle rim).
The rotation due to deflection of weights_2. Gravity wheel. - YouTube

For detail info check the link.

Kanarev Philipp made new theory of laws of motion. He built an electric generator (one trigger motor and one slave motor) to prove his theory is right. Why he hasn't disclose the machine construction information? I don't know.

My logical guess is after studying his 'Energy impulse theory' leaded to essential components: timer (crystal oscillator), PWM (pulse width modulator) that controls the trigger motor, two DC motors (trigger - small power rating, slave - bigger power rating with flywheel), speed check circuit, microcontroller and EEPROM that has PWM and sensor management software.

I picked up Arduino for implementing PWM because it runs on GNU/Linux, fully open source based, versatile, and cheap. My estimate cost for a prototype gravity motor is around \$50 to \$60: Arduino board, a trigger motor, a dummy or big motor, tachometer circuit. The beauty of Arduino is it uses PC/laptop USB port for power and data transmission. It provides 5V DC at 30mA power output through pins to control sensors and devices.

The goal is to find the basic pulse formula that keeps the slave motor at optimum speed which produces greater power always than the trigger. I think once the formula is discovered, it's done deal. Few people can work together. After that once the pulse formula is discovered, scale up is easy. Because we are dealing with well-known forces: friction, air resistance, inertia of rotating mass.
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#74
08-26-2012, 03:55 PM
 citfta Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,323

Hi freepenguin,

You might want to look at Bizzy's Bedini/ Watson machine thread. He is pulsing a motor which is driving a generator by using a simple mechanical switch. The generator is producing enough power to keep the system running. He has had it running for as long as 9 days without losing power from the battery! You might get some ideas about pulsing from his thread.

Carroll
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#75
08-28-2012, 05:53 AM
 Turion Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,463
Hey guys,
I wanted to interject that I have run my 3BGS with that very same combination of batteries before and NOT gotten the results I am getting right now. It was the addition of the UFO modified motor that got me these positive results. Possibly I was just not patient enough.

Now that said, Matt is using a standard motor, and during the test runs he has done, the primaries drop at first, but then slowly come back. (Over a five hour run)

In the two videos I am listing below, which were shot about an hour apart (giving the batteries time to rest between runs to see if they would increase in voltage)

Batt 1 started at 12.39........Batt 2 at 12.34..........Batt 3 less than 1 volt
Batt 1 ended at 12.54.........Batt 2 at 12.60...........Batt 3 at over 11 volts, but you can see it dropping like a rock in the video (Man I LOVE THAT!)

In the second video Batt 1 had climbed to 12.58 while resting, so that's where it started. ....Batt 2 had only climbed to 12.62, so that's where it started. These were measurements at rest AND under load when I started the second test. At the end of that second run, Batt 1 ended at 12.73....and Batt 2 ended at 12.65, while running an AC 120 volt electric fan off the combined output of the UFO modified motor's generator connected in parallel with battery 3 to the inverter.

And this is all without putting a load on the motor which INCREASES the output of this system.

UFO/ 3BGS test 2 - YouTube
Oops...forgot this one...It doesn't show much in the way of voltages, but it DOES show the loads I can run without drawing down on the primaries. The jumping around in voltage is because of the spikes that are hitting the primaries.

The two keys to this setup are the UFO modified motor and the AWG battery in the third position that will take a charge, but will NOT hold it. (That dropping like a rock thing I love so much.)

Any way you look at it, this is something special.

We are working on ways to "kill" an AWG battery and make it do what we want it to do. The one Matt is using has a short in it and when it is shorted, it doesn't work and he has to shake it to get it to show the magic.

Replicate, replicate, replicate. I used a 16 pole razor scooter motor that I rewound according to UFO's directions. It has 8 brushes and two commutators and outputs dc current on the generator side.

Tomorrow I will get the amp gauges I need to finalize my testing of my modified UFO motor, fulfilling the commitment I made to the folks on his thread. Then I will be full time testing the 3BGS with this kind of motor and other kinds of motors, as we think a pulse motor may be even better. The advantage of the UFO motor is it appears to have a lot more torque than say a monopole, and we can use that torque to drive a generator. And putting a load on the motor just makes everything work BETTER.

Drop by the 3BGS thread, but start with my first post, because it gives you some important directions on how to test to see if the battery you are using in the third position is going to work for you or is a waste of your time.

3 Battery Generating System

Dave
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#76
08-31-2012, 01:05 AM
 citfta Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,323
A Better Mosfet driver circuit

Hi everyone,

In post #1362 of the "My motors helped me to tap into radiant energy" thread a member was explaining he couldn't get good sharp turn off of his mosfets with the circuit he was using and he asked if anyone know of a chip that would help him get faster turn on and off times with his mosfets. I replied that the FOD3180 chip gave very good results and also turned the mosfets fully off and on. I was politely told by Ufo to butt out and not to be telling HIS people what they should be using. He also said he didn't know if that chip would even work. Well I DO know that chip will do exactly what the poster was asking for. All you have to do is look up the data sheet and you will see that this chip was specifically designed to do just exactly what the poster was looking for. In addition there are several of us on this forum that have used that same chip for everything from the Tesla Switch to the 3 Battery Generating system and it has always worked great for very quick on and off times. I have attached a drawing showing how you could connect it to the output of a 555 chip and control a motor. Ufo has already posted a pretty good 555 circuit for giving pulse width modulation so you could use his 555 circuit and just change the output to this circuit with a good driver chip.

Later,
Carroll

PS: I just saw the chip in the drawing is the 3120. The 3180 is connected exactly the same and is rated for a higher voltage.
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#77
08-31-2012, 01:59 AM
 Ufopolitics Platinum Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: US, Florida Posts: 5,009
Hello Citfta

Quote:
 Originally Posted by citfta Hi everyone, In post #1362 of the "My motors helped me to tap into radiant energy" thread a member was explaining he couldn't get good sharp turn off of his mosfets with the circuit he was using and he asked if anyone know of a chip that would help him get faster turn on and off times with his mosfets. I replied that the FOD3180 chip gave very good results and also turned the mosfets fully off and on. I was politely told by Ufo to butt out and not to be telling HIS people what they should be using. He also said he didn't know if that chip would even work. Well I DO know that chip will do exactly what the poster was asking for. All you have to do is look up the data sheet and you will see that this chip was specifically designed to do just exactly what the poster was looking for. In addition there are several of us on this forum that have used that same chip for everything from the Tesla Switch to the 3 Battery Generating system and it has always worked great for very quick on and off times. I have attached a drawing showing how you could connect it to the output of a 555 chip and control a motor. Ufo has already posted a pretty good 555 circuit for giving pulse width modulation so you could use his 555 circuit and just change the output to this circuit with a good driver chip. Later, Carroll PS: I just saw the chip in the drawing is the 3120. The 3180 is connected exactly the same and is rated for a higher voltage.

Hello Citfta,

Thanks for sharing our small exchange of "data" in my other post...now if you please allow me to explain "my side"...like in any "Democratic Republic"...Right?...

Carroll, the poster was asking for some trouble turning Off the FET's, and I was helping into some basic resistor checking that do the work very simple and easy, without bigger complications...and honestly there is absolutely no circuits related to that chip you have mentioned on that thread that could be used as a reference...so Poster Anoop was still going to be lost. That is the reason I ask you not to post that IC and ask Her to follow and review the other circuits.

On other issue...the Circuit you are posting here contains a "Flywheel Diode" (D3)...And I WILL EVER...recommend to anyone reproducing My Motors to use A Diode in that position...it is KILLING Radiant Energy...and My Machines do not need that Diode since they do NOT generate ANY B EMF.
FET's have them as Intrinsic Diode to protect them and that is Ok...but never parallel to Motor Input like that on My Machines.
@ Turion:
Dave if you ever hook a Diode like that to any of your Motors on your 3BGS (meaning not only My Machines but any other symmetric ) ...You will get absolutely Nada...Nothing...
If you like ...make that "test"...

Regards to All

Ufopolitics
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#78
08-31-2012, 02:17 AM
 citfta Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,323
Flywheel diode

Hi Ufo,

Yes I agree the flywheel diode is probably not needed on your motor however this drawing was shown as an example of how easy it is to use the proper chip for the job. You cannot get quick turn off times on the mosfet using the circuit you have posted. The gate capacitance is just too high to get quick turn off by trying to bleed off the gate charge with your resistor to ground from the gate. This simple chip takes care of that problem. That is what it was designed to do. If anyone can connect a 555 circuit and get it to work then they should be able to easily use this chip. Besides being easy to use it gives you great isolation between your timing circuit and your power circuit so you don't have to worry about any spikes getting back to your timing circuit and causing problems there.

Respectfully,
Carroll
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08-31-2012, 11:41 PM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,387
Mosfet drivers

I agree with you Carroll, I use Mosfet drivers to get a fast turn off and full
turn on. But I also agree with UFO, resistors are easy and can work ok for
lower frequencies. I use mostly TC4420 or TC4427. Which like all mosfet
drivers I guess give virtually vertical turn on and off even at higher frequencies 40 Khz
still vertical.

If someone was looking for faster turn off I would suggest a driver chip of
some kind as well. Or a 1n4148 diode and a pnp transistor can be used for a
turn off sharpener as well so no resistors need be used but only if the signal
source can drive the mosfet on properly.

If the mosfets are turned on and off quickly, full on and full off then they
don't get hot unless they pass a lot of current.

Won't turning the mosfet off quicker produce a better discharge of the energy
stored in the coil's field ?

Cheers

P.S. I also have some high/low side drivers and I intend to use one for a boost
converter with synchronous rectification, to see if I can beat the efficiency of
the one I made with schottky diodes.

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#80
09-03-2012, 12:29 AM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,387
I'm dubious about the home done dyno tests. I don't see how if a belt that has a
much lower friction value could give the same result as one that has a higher
friction value. ie if the belt used is slippery a lot more force could be applied to
the belt before the same effective drag is placed on the motor shaft.

eg a belt made from greased leather compared to one with tar applied or two
leather belts but just with different friction values would show different results I
think. As a belt is used it will probably get more and more smooth and slippery.

I don't think any old strap or belt could be used to give an actual HP value, I
think all that could be determined would be a relative value for comparison.
And with a belt that becomes smoother and shinier as it is used the friction
value would change and so skew the results.

To come up with an actual "horse power" value from a home made dyno using
a strap and some scales is dodgey to say the least in my opinion.

It doesn't make any sense to me that two people can use different straps
with different friction values and both get an accurate power value.

Any thoughts on that ?

Bottom line is these type of tests can be easily faked I think. Maybe that is a
good project fro me to do next, see if I can show two different readings from
the same motor using belts with different friction values, or the same belt
modified to have a lower friction value. Sounds like fun to me.

Cheers

P.S. And the reflective tape for the RPM meters is a doozy, if the meter
comes with reflective strips they are meant to be used I imagine. The
question is if the reflective strips are there why not use them to be more
accurate ?

..
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09-03-2012, 01:30 AM
 Ufopolitics Platinum Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: US, Florida Posts: 5,009
Dubious Dyno Tests...Dodgey Results

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Farmhand I'm dubious about the home done dyno tests. I don't see how if a belt that has a much lower friction value could give the same result as one that has a higher friction value. ie if the belt used is slippery a lot more force could be applied to the belt before the same effective drag is placed on the motor shaft. eg a belt made from greased leather compared to one with tar applied or two leather belts but just with different friction values would show different results I think. As a belt is used it will probably get more and more smooth and slippery. I don't think any old strap or belt could be used to give an actual HP value, I think all that could be determined would be a relative value for comparison. And with a belt that becomes smoother and shinier as it is used the friction value would change and so skew the results. To come up with an actual "horse power" value from a home made dyno using a strap and some scales is dodgey to say the least in my opinion. It doesn't make any sense to me that two people can use different straps with different friction values and both get an accurate power value. Any thoughts on that ? Bottom line is these type of tests can be easily faked I think. Maybe that is a good project fro me to do next, see if I can show two different readings from the same motor using belts with different friction values, or the same belt modified to have a lower friction value. Sounds like fun to me. Cheers P.S. And the reflective tape for the RPM meters is a doozy, if the meter comes with reflective strips they are meant to be used I imagine. The question is if the reflective strips are there why not use them to be more accurate ? ..

Quote:
 To come up with an actual "horse power" value from a home made dyno using a strap and some scales is dodgey to say the least in my opinion.
Peter Lindemann -- Electric Motor Secrets - YouTube

Quote:
 P.S. And the reflective tape for the RPM meters is a doozy, if the meter comes with reflective strips they are meant to be used I imagine. The question is if the reflective strips are there why not use them to be more accurate ?
If You are not familiar with New Technology and electronics in Tooling ...and still keep used to the Old Fashioned Antique Equipments from Second World War...that is NOT my problem...but Yours...
This Tachometers, the same way the new Laser Thermometers , are equipped to perform at "Dual Functions" meaning with LASER and without it, meaning just Infra Red. LASER is provided to ENHANCE Accuracy as to reach longer distance. Tape is supplied for IR use without Laser.

P.D: It is absolutely not my desire, and much less "My Pleasure" to respond to you, since you have earned the ability to produce Nausea and Disgusting feelings in my stomach...However, I must do it, just because You are referring about Me, My Thread and The Members Excellent work replicating and testing My Machines...accusing them of Faking Results...and all those vomiting and dark spoiled rotten "verbs" that are always spilled and excreted from your brain...

And I am NOT going to allow you to post ANYTHING like that without My response...and it could be here, on this thread, mine or in the middle of no where...

Never Regards for such disgusting poor creature like you, but compassion about your great pain...
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09-03-2012, 01:46 AM
 Turion Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,463
If any of this is in reference to the tests I did on UFo's motor vs modified motor, I too am concerned about accurate test results. I found that by painting the wheels black I got a really consistent reading with the tach I have, and am satisfied with the steady readings I am getting now...not jumping all over the place like (as UFO said) someone reading numbers at a Bingo game. As to the use of the belt on the pulley. I believe, as Farmhand has stated, that results might depend on the leather used in the belt AND the friction. And this could change as the thing heats up. But as all I care about is the comparison between the two motors, there is an easy way to tell if the results are at least semi accurate.

First, I am going to find a second digital meter so the readings don't jump all over the place. Then I will test the standard motor. Record the results. Test the modified motor. Record the results. Test the standard motor AGAIN and record the results. If the two tests of the standard motor are the same or very close to the same, we could assume an average of the to to be fairly accurate in comparison ONLY to the standard motor. Whether this is a true measure of their horsepower I could CARE LESS. All I want to see is a comparison of these two motors to each other. Can we all agree on that? Can we all agree that this would be a fair way to assess whether the friction of the belt on the pulley over time is changing the readings on the scales to ANY DEGREE THAT MATTERS?

I don't want anything that I do to be the cause of stress in the lives of others, so let's just wait and see what the results are. It will be Tuesday before I can get to the stores and find another digital scale.

Dave
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#83
09-03-2012, 03:08 AM
 Matthew Jones Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,741
David
I would not worry as to whether anyone agreed with you or not. Farmhand and UFO are equal in contemptible behavior. And both are ridiculous to an extreme on either end of the spectrum. They are not worth worry and neither of them of them have any credentials of ability and both of them plain type to much garbage for it to be any good.

That said...........

As long as you know the measurements from the mechanical side and you know the Watt count on the electrical side for the Unmodified motor you are fine. The unmodified motor is preset. 250-300 watt 1/3 HP at the rated RPM. Its ability and efficiency are FACT... So the modified motor can then be scaled. As long as the tests are equal.
But all the data has to be taken into consideration All measurements. Then the picture becomes clear. And from what you told me the motor performs above the stock motor whether the consensus of the test is positive or not.

The biggest thing is how to move forward with it? The question you have to wonder is, is this the first time it has been tested to this extent? And does it have the ability to move further?

Pandering and reworking test to satisfy narrow minded doubts is not going to get you there. When you satisfied with what you have done you should start testing to find out whats happening the power, because once you know that you can replicate on any scale. Trust me brother non of it is hiding in some fools mystery.

Matt
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09-03-2012, 03:27 AM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,387
Matthew you write a lot of rediculous stuff that you won't or can't prove as well.

You accuse me of contemptible behavior. What is it. Please be specific.

If you can make accusations against people have the gonads to say what you are talking about.

What is my contemptible behavior. Show me an example.

Those dyno tests are only any good for the person doing them, they are as easy as pie to fake.

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09-03-2012, 03:41 AM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,387
I'm not asking for anyone to do anything or change what they do all I'm doing is
putting forward a perspective which I thought was worth mentioning.

I'm not even saying anyone has or will fake anything.

I'm just saying that a real HP value could not be reached if the test equipment is not designed to do it.

Can anyone deny a more slippery belt will produce a different reading.

Can anyone say with certainty that a rpm meter that is sold to be used with
reflective tape should be used without and just because the reading is
somewhat stable must be correct.

I use reflective tape and a cheap meter, so what, it is accurate because I have
calculated the rpm of a generator rotor by frequency and magnets with a sine
wave, no extra oscillations. I checked it to be sure. Not that I am making any
claims, just for me.

I don't think Carroll intended people to experience bullying attempts here.

But go for it. No skin off my internet nose.

P.S. Turion I'm not making judgement on you or your actions, I think you are fully
capable of realizing anything I or anyone else could. I was just mentioning
something I thought was kinda overlooked. I'm not trying to say to do
anything different.

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09-03-2012, 03:49 AM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,387
I'm heartened to see people have such a contempt for me. I certainly won't feel
guilty for what I do when I get treated like this.

Have a nice day.
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09-03-2012, 03:57 AM
 Matthew Jones Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,741
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Farmhand Matthew you write a lot of ridiculous stuff that you won't or can't prove as well.... ..
3 separate posts ????? Thats as bad as 3 threads and umpteen amount of post to say you don't agree with Thane Hines.

Thats what makes you ridiculous on your end of the spectrum. LOL

Matt

PS. If your ever come to this side of the pond, look me up. I'll show you a thing or 2 for sure.
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09-03-2012, 04:18 AM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,387
OK Matt, I think from memory you say a low voltage high current output can be mixed with a higher voltage low current output for an advantage.

Could you explain that to us again please ?

I have no intention of going to america why don't you come here and show me
something big noter. Grow up.

I suppose you think you know everything I know and I could not show you
something you didn't know before. All knowing Matthew Jones, if you have

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09-03-2012, 04:38 AM
 Matthew Jones Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,741
WOW!! You got it all in 1 post. I'm proud of ya

I'll give ya part number. You give it a guess, or maybe try.

Bourns 2020-15T-C2LF.

Have you not ever attempted to blend power sources?

We'll see.... I just don't think you have that much imagination.

Matt
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09-03-2012, 06:56 PM
 Farmhand Platinum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,387

That's exactly the type of condescending post I expect from you Matthew.

Why not address the issue I raised rather than let loose with the personal
attacks ?

I didn't make any personal attacks on anyone. I raised a valid point and I get
personal insults from wannabe bullies.

If you think it will stop me raising any other points I think are valid you are
mistaken and wasting your own time.

If you think you have somehow intimidated me you are also wrong.

So you won't explain the way to make a gain from "blending power sources" ?

If there is a gain there why not explain it and demonstrate it for all the other fine folks ?

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